Atkin's Diet (was Alternative Cleanse? Doc)

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I was talking to my mom the other day and she mentioned my brother is on

the Atkins diet.

I was pretty alarmed and she mentioned that it had be changed quite a

bit and was no longer " as bad " - I assume there musty be more than meat!

 

I disagree with a lot of things that may seem to " work " usually in one

area while causing more trouble in other areas. I think that if Doc did

not have some concern or objection to a diet like Artkins I would be

very concerned about his credibility as a practicing holisitic Dr.

After all this list is devoted to health not isolated, temporary *fixes*.

 

That said. good for you! You have achieved something that's making you

feel good about yourself and your body! That IS wonderful. I know it's a

lot of fun and a good feeling.

 

There are real reasons to question a diet like Atkins imo. And it's

actually quite serious in my opinion. It's not personal and it's not

about " Atkins " . There are millions of products and diets out there that

will cause you to loose weight, The question I have is at what expense?

 

I don't want to take away any of your glory. My hope would be that

following this diet you transition into a healthier one and PLEASE eat

nothing but organic meat if you decide to eat it.

 

There are A LOT of definitions for " healthy " out there these days. Buyer

beware.

 

I think a NON PERSONAL conversation about diets like this one and others

would make for an excellent topic here.

 

 

I don't want to burst your bubble at all- I'm happy for your " success "

but see far reaching issues with Atkins diet.

 

Take care~

 

Elizabeth

 

 

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 08:40 AM, e g wrote:

 

>

> You may disagree with it...but it works!  I've been on the diet since

> May and I've lost 34 pounds so far (2 sizes down). This diet has

> changed my life, for the better. I've been very overweight since I was

> a teen, and this is the first diet in over 10 years that has worked. 

> Grats Greg on the diet!

>

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

....just a note on this...i really don't know much about the atkins

diet but do know there are many more components tied up in whether or

not something " works " than just weight loss results. just because

something makes you loose weight doesn't necessarily mean that it is

healthy or giving your body the nutrients it needs...or in some cases

maybe too much of a nutrient (as i think on possible problem is an

excess of protein). but yeah...i think it's just important to

remember that while weight loss may be a great side effect of dietary

change it is not the be all end all...and that it's possible for a

diet to help you loose weight and not necessarily in a healthy

fashion...i'm not even arguing one way or another about the atkins

diet specifically...but more just about the way we address diets and

the functions of diets...going to quit now b/c i'm not sure if i'm

making any sense...lol.

luv laura

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " e g " <earthagaia@l...> wrote:

>

> You may disagree with it...but it works! I've been on the diet

since May and I've lost 34 pounds so far (2 sizes down). This diet

has changed my life, for the better. I've been very overweight since

I was a teen, and this is the first diet in over 10 years that has

worked.

> Grats Greg on the diet!

>

>

> Jen

>

> >Just a note on the Atkins diet. One of the places (not all of

them) where it misses the boat is in demanding 100% Certified Organic

Meats. If you don't go organic, this diet can be very dangerous.

There are other things I disagree about it, but that is the biggest.

> >

> >Love,

> >

> >Doc

> >

> >Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

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> > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:56 AM

> > Re: [herbal remedies] Alternative cleanse? Doc

> >

> >

> > Hey there Greg,

> >

> > Just want to wish you the best! It's great that you are seeking

your own/herbal solutions and trusting in nature's ability to heal.

It sounds like you are very much on track and taking care of

yourself.

> >

> > The Atkin's diet I don't *get*...(but admittedly, I tend to eat

on a planet few will ever travel to) my bro is on it too right

now...but what the heck- as long as it's working for you...a day at a

time. Are you an " O " blood type? Just curious...

> >

> > Attitude makes all the difference- creating an inspiring

possibility for yourself worth moving towards. Thanks for sharing

what's going on.

> >

> >

> > Take care!

> > Elizabeth

> >

>

>

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This thing worked for me also...

and it was the only one out of lots and lots...

I lost around 40lbs in three months.

Then, I went off of it for thanksgiving. Right back on two days after, gotta eat all that stuffing!

Then, back on until xmas...back on New Year's Day...and after three weeks could not go back into ketosis and my kidneys started acting up really bad and the cravings were ridiculous. I have never had a sweet tooth until now, my fat was all from flour and potatoes.

I'd had the occasional kidney infection here and there, but nothing like now. I can drink 12oz. of anything carbonated and my back hurts and all that jazz until I do my cranberry round...

Oh, when I started this thing I weighed 201....before I got pregnant this last time, I had gained up to 232...when I came off Atkins I didn't eat any more or less than I did before Atkins. I gained what I lost and 31 extra.

There's no telling what all this done to my insides that I just don't know about...

Me back on Atkins? Not if I get to 400lbs.

But, when I change everything over next year and do Doc's four week cleanse...I won't have to worry about weight. And, I also plan to do the one Don posted a while back some where in there also.

A regular old diet don't work for me because I don't have the willpower to deny the cravings...Doc's cleanse is supposed to take those away just like the Atkins's does...so, we'll see...wish this year would hurry and get over with though...

Angel

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e g

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Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:40 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: Atkin's Diet (was Alternative Cleanse? Doc)

You may disagree with it...but it works!

[Guest guest]

Hey Greg,

 

In all fairness, I have heard the Atkins diet HAS been updated revised

etc. It used to be a prescription for cancer imo. I have been very well

aware of the diet in it's original form...what 25-30 yrs old now? Longer?

 

It WAS all about meat. Since I have spent the majority of my 42 yrs

vegetarian and my mom had breast cancer and became macrobiotic when I

was about 13- very wary of meat....I have always been scared of that

diet. Would you mind sharing what the diet entails now? What does a

typical day look like according to the plan- if that's a fair question?

 

I don't want you to feel like you need to defend your choice- a diet

that has done what you asked of it, but I am curious to see what it does

entail.

 

 

Love,

Elizabeth

 

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Tigger Greg wrote:

 

> Just so you know... Atkins is very safe and works very good...

> Studys have showed this to be true... if you look at the Atkins

> way of life (it's not a diet) you will see that it just has you eatting

> real food and to stay away from man made foods.. and we end up

> eatting more veg's then most people ever would... nothing at all

> wrong with it if you can stay with organic meats. I eat organic meats,

> eggs , cheese and stuff when i can.... we do not have much of

> it sold here and when i run out of stuff i get from family and friends

> we have to go non organic as we are not rich and can pay the too high

> prices of organic so it eat what we can spend on food or not eat at all.

> organic is great if you have the money for it.... i do the best i can

> with

> trying to eat organic, but not easy in smaller citys and towns.... being

> real so called " doctors " hate Atkins and say it's not safe at all,

> tells me

> it must be good just because medco's hate it.lol... all 3 of my doctors

> are on a type of Atkins and i checked with them before going on it

> again.... i was on it years ago in the 80's. Being i am in a wheelchair

> and

> the one med. i can't quit can make me to put on weight i have to so

> something to stop the gain and lose weight..  i am at a point now i am

> eating more vegs than anyone i know here in town and they are safe and

> organic as me and a friend grow it all right now and use nothing non

> organic on them.... i do eat all organic eggs and cheese.. they are not

> too bad on price and i can find them here in town... we only have a

> few meals with non organic meat's , but this due to cost... I do not eat

> a lot of meats at the point of atkins....can get the fats i need from

> other foods..... just my points of view here and it all does work very

> well for me... i am taking TT and PP all the time now.. .. long as i

> stay

> away from open flames when drinking TT lol... it is all working good.

> It burned my chest cold out of me fast.... this summer cold was my

> only time being sick in 3 and a half years... and the only think wrong

> with me is my muscular dystrophy and not a lot can be done about that.

> I am doing all i can to be as healthy as i can be... my MDA doctor is

> very much all for organic natural healing in all ways that it can be

> done

> and he says he lifes as organic as he can....

> sorry for the long post here.... thanks to any who read it all and i

> hope

> i did not miss word much here...lol..

>  

> Greg

>  

> Greg

>

>  

> -

> Elizabeth

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:56 AM

> Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Atkin's Diet (was Alternative

> Cleanse? Doc)

>

> I was talking to my mom the other day and she mentioned my brother is

> on the Atkins diet.

> I was pretty alarmed and she mentioned that it had be changed quite a

> bit and was no longer " as bad " - I assume there musty be more than meat!

>

> I disagree with a lot of things that may seem to " work " usually in one

> area while causing more trouble in other areas. I think that if Doc did

> not have some concern or objection to a diet like Artkins I would be

> very concerned about his credibility as a practicing holisitic Dr.

> After all this list is devoted to health not isolated, temporary

> *fixes*.

>

> That said. good for you! You have achieved something that's making you

> feel good about yourself and your body! That IS wonderful. I know it's

> a lot of fun and a good feeling.

>

> There are real reasons to question a diet like Atkins imo. And it's

> actually quite serious in my opinion. It's not personal and it's not

> about " Atkins " . There are millions of products and diets out there that

> will cause you to loose weight, The question I have is at what expense?

>

> I don't want to take away any of your glory. My hope would be that

> following this diet you transition into a healthier one and PLEASE eat

> nothing but organic meat if you decide to eat it.

>

> There are A LOT of definitions for " healthy " out there these days.

> Buyer beware.

>

> I think a NON PERSONAL conversation about diets like this one and

> others would make for an excellent topic here.

>

>

> I don't want to burst your bubble at all- I'm happy for your " success "

> but see far reaching issues with Atkins diet.

>

> Take care~

>

> Elizabeth

>

>

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 08:40 AM, e g wrote:

>

>

> You may disagree with it...but it works!  I've been on the diet since

> May and I've lost 34 pounds so far (2 sizes down). This diet has

> changed my life, for the better. I've been very overweight since I was

> a teen, and this is the first diet in over 10 years that has worked. 

> Grats Greg on the diet!

>

>

> Jen

>

>

 

>

>

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Actually, you'll notice that I didn't say I thoroughly disagree with this diet. The Atkin's diet is one of the better ones out there, in a field where there is a ton of junk diets such as "The Zone". Please realize that I have not read Atkin's latest or upgrade of his original book so I am missing data. Where I disagree with the original book is his lack of promotion of using "Organic Meats" only. If one were to use only commercial meats in this diet, one would be asking for some serious trouble from the amount of steroids, hormones, and antibiotics used in this industry.

 

Using only organic meat products makes this diet very workable, however there are still some pitfalls to watch out for. Many toxins and drugs are stored in the fat cells of the body, and to a degree this acts as a safety mechanism for the overall protection of the complete organism. Should a person go into ketosis, there is the probability that many of these toxic substances would get released creating a tremendous amount of stress on organs such as the liver and kidneys, resulting in the person getting very sick. It could also turn on a healing crisis. For a person who had done some serious cleansing, the Atkin's diet could be very workable, and a person might cruise right on through it without any negative effects whatsoever. On the other hand, a person who had a high toxicity level in their body, these people might go through a tremendous amount of discomfort and get very ill.

 

And why get ill if you don't have to??? )

 

So, if you're going to do Atkin's, do some cleansing first.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

PS. Another diet that has been known to drop weight very dramatically, is the Beverly Hills Diet. This diet is also very workable, but should not be done by diabetics without supervision. Another decent diet is the "Fit For Life" diet and can be done by anyone. Every one of these has a piece of the puzzle, but is incomplete in giving all the data. As I said, I haven't read Atkin's latest, so can not comment there. "Eat Right For Your Type" also has some good data, but is incomplete as well. Even "The Zone" has a miniscule amount of true data in it when it says that a long term diet should be balanced. The problems with any of these are the "ommissions", and the "fad" characteristics they most often get into. I've read (and tried) most of 'em, evalutated for myself what I like (and dislike) about each one, and then made up my own mind as to the route I wanted to go on. I'd recommend this viewpoint to anybody. What is true for you, is what you've observed is workable for you. Make up your own mind on this ;o)

In this day and age, there's only one thing that I'd carve in stone and that is, "Whatever you eat - make it 100% ORGANIC"!

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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e g

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Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:40 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: Atkin's Diet (was Alternative Cleanse? Doc)

You may disagree with it...but it works! I've been on the diet since May and I've lost 34 pounds so far (2 sizes down). This diet has changed my life, for the better. I've been very overweight since I was a teen, and this is the first diet in over 10 years that has worked. Grats Greg on the diet!Jen>Just a note on the Atkins diet. One of the places (not all of them) where it misses the boat is in demanding 100% Certified Organic Meats. If you don't go organic, this diet can be very dangerous. There are other things I disagree about it, but that is the biggest.>>Love,>>Doc

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LOL! Wow- you remember this one ;-)

I did this diet in the early/mid 70's and absolutely LOVED it.

 

No wonder I do so well on a raw diet. Not for everyone- but I do great

on diets like this.

Great intro to food combining, enzymes, cleansing, and the benefits of

(mostly) raw fresh foods.

 

I still do days of Pineapple or grapes or watermelon....pineapple is

great for joint/arthritis pain. Mono diets are good for the mind and

soul too....on occassion. It's fun to eat as much as you want, lose

weight, and have your skin brighter and clearer than ever! Great for

summer.

 

I still make her yummy Mazel salad dressing and fresh homemade pasta

sometimes from the recipes in the back of the book- which I wish I still

had.

 

Love,

Elizabeth

 

On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Dr. Ian Shillington wrote:

 

>  

> PS.  Another diet that has been known to drop weight very dramatically,

> is the Beverly Hills Diet. 

[Guest guest]

It was the quickest weight loss I or Valorie ever experienced.

Not for diabetics though unless done with a cleansing program ;o)

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Elizabeth

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Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:13 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Atkin's Diet (was Alternative Cleanse? Doc)

LOL! Wow- you remember this one ;-)I did this diet in the early/mid 70's and absolutely LOVED it. No wonder I do so well on a raw diet. Not for everyone- but I do great on diets like this.Great intro to food combining, enzymes, cleansing, and the benefits of (mostly) raw fresh foods. I still do days of Pineapple or grapes or watermelon....pineapple is great for joint/arthritis pain. Mono diets are good for the mind and soul too....on occassion. It's fun to eat as much as you want, lose weight, and have your skin brighter and clearer than ever! Great for summer. I still make her yummy Mazel salad dressing and fresh homemade pasta sometimes from the recipes in the back of the book- which I wish I still had. Love,ElizabethOn Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Dr. Ian Shillington wrote:

PS. Another diet that has been known to drop weight very dramatically, is the Beverly Hills Diet.

[Guest guest]

Herbal cleanse lady here, just to put my two cents' worth in. I was on the Atkins for a year before I started the herbal cleanse on August 1st. I decided to do the cleanse because for the last six months I have been on a plateau. I initially lost 35 lbs. over the first six months on the induction phase (little or no carbs). But then I hit the brick wall. I never began adding carbs back in because I quit losing.

 

So I listened to Doc's tape and decided to do the cleanse. I am now at day 2 of Week 4. I think, as Doc says in his tape it was a matter of stoppage. My body needed this month to get rid of the toxins and bad fat at the cellular level.

 

My overall plan is: after Week 4, I am going to go back on Atkins and see if that was my problem. During this month I have not lost or gained an ounce of weight. I have stayed the same - but I hve lost inches - 5 dress sizes so far. I have been really pleased with that.

 

As far as the exercise, I was doing that before the cleanse,so I haven't changed it much other than gradually working some running on the treadmill into my routine (i am up to 2 minutes for every five that I walk). However, I have decided that next week, when I go back on the Atkins, organically, of course, I will begin to add some simple weight training inot my routine so that I can start to firm up the flab in my chest and upper arms (I swer the flab in my chest was from nursing those 7 little stinkers! LOL). If everyone would like me to, I will let you know each week what and if there are any more changes.

 

I am planning to go on a cruise for a week in October (a lifelong dream, even if I am going by myself and not with a significant other). When I get back, on November 1, I thought I'd start another cycle of the cleanse. Question, Doc, since I intend to keep up with my TT and TN and intestinal cleanse 1 and 2, do I have to redo them or can I just move onto Week 3 again?

 

I know the TN isn't actually on the Atkins plan, but I like the idea of all those vitamins and minerals going to work right away. I can almost feel the energy kick in. And I figured that would count as some carbs, anyway. Besides, the Atkins plan says to take vitamins and minerals, so I think it would count for that.

 

Any other suggestions?

 

Sheila

 

P.S.

 

Greg

 

I, too, was into the diet soda on the Atkins plan. Since you are going to continue to drink it, my favorit way was a can of Diet A & W Root Beer with a little cream added. It tasts just like a root beer float. The other women in my office just love it. Their not on diets, per se, but they really stack the frige with cream and root beer now.

 

But, having said that.... after this cleanse, I don't even want to see a soda. Not that it wouldn't taste ok, but I'm not craving them at all and I'd just as soon not start down that road. if you do the cleanse, you'll see what I mean. Sheila