Is it worth making time for the 3 week alternative cleanse?

August 20, 2003

LOL Anna, you must be a Virgo. ;o) (No offense intended, of course).

Let me ask you a couple of questions....

With your medical condition you are taking a number of meds (or so that is the impression I'm under). Do these medications heal you or just make the symptoms more managable?

Do your medications have side effects? If so, does it sometimes feel like they are worse than your condition?

For your health problems, do the doctors believe that you will be back to 100% after you go through their treatments or are you bound to have your troubles forever?

Now... if there was even an iota of a chance that you CAN be 100% better, would you jump at that chance? I know I would. If you have listened to Doc's tape, then you will hear about patients that have indeed completely overcome things like diabetes and even a broken down adrenal gland. And I have heard of people who have overcome cancer with cleansing and essiac (this is a blend of herbs). In fact, I've heard of more cures for incurable diseases in the naturopathic 'realm' than in medico.

Personally, I can understand why you are hesitant to do this right now, but as I said in an earlier email you will do yourself a world of good if you switch completely to organic according to Doc's tape, though it will take a great deal longer than a total body cleanse. Of course, with other conditions you may wish to add other formulas to help your body heal.

It's okay to be skeptical... that is what helps us find out truth from fiction. But if the medicos aren't curing you, then what do you have to lose by trying something natural?

Sorry, I got a little long winded. LOL!

Blessed Be!

MtMoonKitty

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August 20, 2003

It's really great actually that you are being so blunt about this- only

because most people who fail to do a long cleanse fail because the

reason TO do it is not big enough for them or real enough for them ...so

they either don't do it or quit midway.

To tell you the truth I have not done the protocol that Doc has laid out

here. I am new to this list but not to cleansing or natural healing. I

did just finish a 2 week cleanse w/ a long transition on either side.

Fantastic! I have witnessed the results of cleansing over the years and

they are IMPRESSIVE! It is my absolute belief that it is the

natural/obvious first step in healing....you can't add liquid to a full

cup....you gotta empty out what's there first. You might want to check

out the curezone's website and look at the pictures of mucoid placque,

parasites, stones, etc.

I think you have probably been advised to do this for so long and by so

many for a reason....your health! It's actually so much more than

changing your schedule for 3 weeks...imagine if ALL it took was 1

cleanse to heal everyone then everyone on earth would do it....no, it is

a start....the beginning of a lifetime of healing hopefully that is only

a matter of choice.

I personally have had HUGE benefits from cleansing...and know of endless

examples in others that are powerful and real. Reduction- disappearance

of pain, inflammation, mucous, candida/ yeast eliminated, fatigue

eliminated, acne eliminated, eczema eliminated, viral loads come WAY

down, irritable bowl syndrome disappear, allergies disappear, sinus and

ear infections disappear, arthritis pain diminish, etc, etc....

But you are right no 2 or 3 or 4 week cleanse is going to be your cure

all...and no one can prove to you why you should do it. No one is

selling this thing to you...I think that it is an opportunity and offers

you the foundation for health. The start to a LIFETIME of

changes...either viewed as inconvenient or as an opportunity.

Anyway, you should NOT do it if a) you don't see the value, or b) you

don't believe in the validity of other's experience who do.

I know no one here is selling " snake oil " or " quick fixes " - just a very

real and practical basis for health and recovery from disease. There is

some reason you are here, and some reason you want this for yourself-

you'll have to see for yourself if it's worth it.

There's nothing in it for Doc if you do or don't. I think he is here

because he cares about people and he's got some tools that work.

Good luck!

Elizabeth

On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 09:04 AM, Anna wrote:

> It's a royal pain to have to change my schedule for 3 whole weeks and

> I'm

> not doing it unless I see a pay-off at the end.

>

> - Anna

August 20, 2003

i definitely understand what people are saying about schedules and

whatnot...i'm sure we're all busy in some form or fashion...but

people HAVE already posted about gentler/slower options to cleansing

(changing diet, eating organic, removing processed foods, skin

brushing, etc etc.). now if one uses a little logic it should be

clear that if something is gentler/easier than it is also probably

slower. if we are talking about getting toxins out of the

body...obviously the process that has you sitting on the pot many

times during the day for four weeks is probably working faster/less

gentle than the method that doesn't...this just seems like common

sense to me. i also understand trying stuff that hasn't worked and

feeling frustrated...but at least in my case most of these things i

have tried are more like band-aide herbs so it is precisely b/c i

have not really gotten to the root of things (by doing cleanses and

harder things like lifelong dietary changes) that i have not had

total success. but i would sure rather use trial and error with

herbs than a bunch of prescription drugs that are wreaking havoc on

my body. and in the scope of things...it's just four weeks...which

really isn't that long...but maybe just start with something

smaller...the intestinal cleanse...or a short juice fast...or just an

overall change in diet etc. it doesn't have to be all or nothing.

just my $.02 rant lol.

luv laura

herbal remedies , Anna <aljuarez@z...> wrote:

> At 09:27 AM 8/20/03 -0500, you wrote:

>

> >

>

> >Now... if there was even an iota of a chance that you CAN be 100%

better,

> >would you jump at that chance? I know I would.

>

> No, I need more than an iota. I've already spent years and

substantial sums

> trying alternative health stuff that doesn't work just to find a

little bit

> of stuff that does work and so, no, I'm not suffering through

several weeks

> of an intense cleanse just in the hopes that it might do something.

>

> I'm sick but not stupid nor desperate. I need to feel something is

likely to

> benefit me before I will take on more burdens to my body, my

schedule and my

> work ability. This cleanse, especially week 3, sounds tough and

there have

> got to be kinder, gentler ways to accomplish the same thing without

missing

> work or having to totally re-do my schedule.

>

> - Anna

August 20, 2003

Anna,

Cleanses have been helping people since the beginning of time.... of course, a cleanse without changing your eating lifestyle will only be a bandaid... like the meds you are on (so it sounds) I am not trying to be hurtful here but I guess it depends on how much you really want to be well... Have you gotten Doc's tape... if you have have you listened to it, and at that point have you chatted with him?

SuziSill <thesills wrote:

LOL Anna, you must be a Virgo. ;o) (No offense intended, of course).

Let me ask you a couple of questions....

With your medical condition you are taking a number of meds (or so that is the impression I'm under). Do these medications heal you or just make the symptoms more managable?

Do your medications have side effects? If so, does it sometimes feel like they are worse than your condition?

For your health problems, do the doctors believe that you will be back to 100% after you go through their treatments or are you bound to have your troubles forever?

Now... if there was even an iota of a chance that you CAN be 100% better, would you jump at that chance? I know I would. If you have listened to Doc's tape, then you will hear about patients that have indeed completely overcome things like diabetes and even a broken down adrenal gland. And I have heard of people who have overcome cancer with cleansing and essiac (this is a blend of herbs). In fact, I've heard of more cures for incurable diseases in the naturopathic 'realm' than in medico.

Personally, I can understand why you are hesitant to do this right now, but as I said in an earlier email you will do yourself a world of good if you switch completely to organic according to Doc's tape, though it will take a great deal longer than a total body cleanse. Of course, with other conditions you may wish to add other formulas to help your body heal.

It's okay to be skeptical... that is what helps us find out truth from fiction. But if the medicos aren't curing you, then what do you have to lose by trying something natural?

Sorry, I got a little long winded. LOL!

Blessed Be!

MtMoonKitty

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August 20, 2003

But the alternative health stuff as you put it that you bought... was it over the counter, name brand stuff.... like "Nature's Way" or whatever...

second point... as a child do you remember your mom telling you "if it tastes bad it is good for you" or the old addage "anything worth having is worth working for"...

Fast food is easy... and look where it gets you... Popping a pill is easy....

SuziAnna <aljuarez wrote:

At 09:27 AM 8/20/03 -0500, you wrote:>>Now... if there was even an iota of a chance that you CAN be 100% better,>would you jump at that chance? I know I would. No, I need more than an iota. I've already spent years and substantial sumstrying alternative health stuff that doesn't work just to find a little bitof stuff that does work and so, no, I'm not suffering through several weeksof an intense cleanse just in the hopes that it might do something. I'm sick but not stupid nor desperate. I need to feel something is likely tobenefit me before I will take on more burdens to my body, my schedule and mywork ability. This cleanse, especially week 3, sounds tough and there havegot to be kinder, gentler ways to accomplish the same thing without missingwork or having to totally re-do my schedule.-

Anna

August 20, 2003

Dear Anna,

Wellllllllllllllll, you certainly issued that challenge to the right person. As I sit here in my office typing this response, I can see on one of my shelves a one quart Mason jar filled with formaldahyde that has a 10oz, 6" long, 4" wide, 2" thick, cancerous tumor in it that came out of the breast of one of my patients using only natural methods.

It is true that I am from New Mexico which has its fair share of natural healers of which I am proud to count myself as one, and though you may be from Missouri (joke ;o), you are certainly welcome to drop by and take a look at this jar yourself so that you can say you've seen it with your own eyes. If you were to check the message archives, you'll will find many stories of people I have helped by following my advice, and who have "cured" themselves of many various diseases. You'll also find stories of people who've been helped by many other "natural healers" on this list. Go ahead and look for yourself. They are there.

If you so choose to be a "Doubting Thomas", this is your perogative, but you'll find many on this list who have cured themselves of all kinds of ailments by using natural methods, and I'm sure they'd be glad to elaborate. You are welcome to call my office (# below) and talk to my office gal Debbie who cured herself of "Hypertension". Starting with a BP of 190 over 120 (sometimes higher) and supposedly on medication for the rest of her life to handle it, she has completely flabbergasted the local clinic when after doing the Total Body Cleanse her BP came crashing down to 120 over 70 and has stayed there ever since with no medication whatsoever. It is true that I had her do other things as well to address that specific condition, but the Total Body Cleanse was the foundation, and is the foundation I use for beginning to turn a patient's health around. I often tailor make a program to handle a specific condition, but no patient of mine escapes doing the basic program. No one! She also lost 50 lbs in the process. Call her - she'll talk to you.

Not everyone is the same, and some people get quicker results than others. I had one Diabetic patient who terminatedly handled her condition within 5 days of starting the TBC. Her blood sugar levels came screaming down in that period and have stayed down ever since, and this was two years ago. The only thing she did was the TBC as in the files, get on a natural,organic, nutritional program, and she has been medico medication free since that time. Other diabetic patients have needed more work, but it can be handled naturally.

Just yesterday, I received an email from one of my German patients who for the last week was so yellow with jaundice that his friends were accusing him of being oriental. His common bile duct was plugged, and after two nights of doing the Liver/Gallbladder Bomb was still feeling miserable. I had him quadruple the dosage of the epsom salts, and add 50% more Olive Oil and 50% more Lemon Juice to the bomb for the third night and the next morning (day before yesterday) he passed 3 gallstones (one the size of a nutmeg, and the other two the size of Kidney Beans). He is feeling elated, his coloring is half way back to normal, his energy level is now better than it has been for months, and he has saved himself an expensive Gallbladder operation and all the negative future that goes along with that route.

My own mother-in-law (over 80) had a heart condition and two weeks ago returned from the hospital where she had had an angiogram. The MD gave her a clean bill of health and told her her heart and arteries were in better shape than his own.

I could go on all day with this as I have literally hundreds and hundreds of patients who have cured themselves of just about every disease out there, and I have the success stories and "thankyou" letters to prove it. I have also fired patients who think they can get well by doing my programs while continuing to eat their chocolate, drink their booze and their coffee, and live in a toxic environment while thinking negative thoughts all day long.

I don't know who started calling this a 3 week cleanse, because it is not. It is a 4 week cleanse so I'd like to set that straight right here and now.

As with any program, you get out of it what you put into it. You also have to make the necessary "Lifestyle Changes" so that you don't keep falling back into that old condition. There's no sense in doing this program if one is going to continue to drink a six pack a day during his evening meal of pizza and icecream. A person has to change his eating habits and get on a nutritional, health building program that will actually contribute to creating a better body. If they don't do that, then no program will help them.

You say, "it is a "royal pain" to have to change your schedule for 3 whole weeks", (as I said above, it's actually 4 weeks). But, I say it is a bigger pain to be sick and unhealthy. I'm certainly not going to try and convince you to do this program or any other program for that matter. This is your choice. But this is a "natural healing" list, and if you didn't come here looking for some "natural" answers, then I don't know why you're here. As any list oldtimer will tell you, I'm not known for my subtlety or finesse, and my bedside manner is non-existent. I tell it like it is without excuses or apology. If my patients can't do a program without the snivelling and the whining then I get rid of them. There is no room for a "victim" viewpoint when it comes to "Natural Healing". If you can't be 100% fully responsible for your own condition, then you should go the medical route. I have no patience for those who won't even try, and I am only willing to help those who are willing to help themselves. I'm not saying that my program is the only natural program out there. There are others that also work, and it is your choice to either do them or leave them alone.

'Nuff said.

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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Anna

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Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:01 AM

[herbal remedies] Is it worth making time for the 3 week alternative cleanse?

With all due respect, I hear that from every "natural healer" and, as youknow, New Mexico is full of them. However, nobody has yet been able to pointto someone and say "I helped THAT person and now they don't have [insertillness/disease here] because they followed my program."the one local naturopath that could point to people and say "That person nolonger suffers from hypertension" or "That person no longer needspainkillers" got my attention and I followed is advice but, unfortunately,he was killed in a car wreck when a drunk ran into his vehicle.Show me some people that benefited objectively from the 3 week cleanse andI'll make time for it if they had conditions that I have. But I want to knowthat they no longer have to take meds or whatever. "I no longer takediabetes medications" or "My blood pressure is now 120/80 when it used to be[insert # here]" is what I need to hear, not "I have more energy." It's a royal pain to have to change my schedule for 3 whole weeks and I'mnot doing it unless I see a pay-off at the end.- AnnaAt 05:52 PM 8/19/03 -0600, Doc wrote:>Dear Lynn,>>I'm sorry to have to tell you this hon, but you need to make the time.>>As Gandalf told Frodo in LOR, "Shortcuts make long delays", and this istrue in natural healing.>>If you make sure you go to the bathroom at least two times before you leavefor work, you should make it with no problems. Just make sure you have abackup plan for a stop along the way if you have to.>>If you only put 80% into this program, you may not even get 80% out of itthough it is possible. Rather than trying to find the "easy" way out here,you would be best served if you try to make it go right regardless.>>Natural Healing takes work, and one of the problems in society at this timeis that most everyone is looking for that"Super-Duper-Fix-It-All-One-Shot-Cure", and I can tell you from experiencethat it ain'ta gonna happen.>>You need to "make" the time hon.>>After all, you're worth it. Aren't you? )>>Love,>>Doc

August 20, 2003

And you will find them when you are ready to truly see what is before you and ready to truly listen to the words of others. I do, with all honesty, wish you a pleasant journey. I also believe that you will find the right cleanse for you, in time. No one cleanse is for everyone. There are so many various forms of cleansing regimens out there. Best wishes in your search.

Don Quai

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Anna

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Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:39 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Is it worth making time for the 3 week alternative cleanse?

At 09:27 AM 8/20/03 -0500, you wrote:>>Now... if there was even an iota of a chance that you CAN be 100% better,>would you jump at that chance? I know I would. No, I need more than an iota. I've already spent years and substantial sumstrying alternative health stuff that doesn't work just to find a little bitof stuff that does work and so, no, I'm not suffering through several weeksof an intense cleanse just in the hopes that it might do something. I'm sick but not stupid nor desperate. I need to feel something is likely tobenefit me before I will take on more burdens to my body, my schedule and mywork ability. This cleanse, especially week 3, sounds tough and there havegot to be kinder, gentler ways to accomplish the same thing without missingwork or having to totally re-do my schedule.- Anna

August 20, 2003

I'll tell you what bothers me...

My family knows that I am "into" this "stuff".

They have seen it work on Mr. Fred...it got rid of his brain tumor.

And, I still sit here and grip about the money or the aggravation of finding all the stuff...and I'm a SAHM (stay at home mom).

I will feel better when this baby is here and nursing is over...so, that I can get down to the nitty gritty.

I have changed a whole bunch of eating habits and lifestyle, but I almost crave one of Doc's cleanses like most folks yearn for ice cream or cake.

I have done the research and I have seen it work with my own eyes, not to mention the things I've learned here.

And, you know what really makes me yearn for it? The fact that I know I can do this, I have the knowledge and Doc's way so that I don't have all the sickness and pains you'd get from just jumping in with no shoes on...

And the fear that one day I'll be laying in a bed with all my kids around me, not even grown yet, crying because mommy knew how to stay alive and didn't want to spend the money to do it.

And, no matter what it takes, no matter how much I have to sacrifice for this...I will do it because the fear of my kids growing up without me is worse than any fear of losing work, losing my house, or having a little uncomfort....I would rather change my lifestyle and sacrifice a month to be able to live the rest of my life toxic and dis-ease free than to have to say good bye to my kids before they get out of high school.

I know it's hell sometimes living in this old world...but, the final question is how long you think you need to stay on it.

No one can promise you anything that you aren't willing to do for yourself.

But, I can promise you one thing...with what I've found out about the things they do to foods today...you won't live as long if you stay on those foods.

I can understand if any of you don't believe in the cleanse. All it takes is a little time on this list, a lot of research on your own part, and enough sense to comprehend all the loads of information you'll find.

Learn about what all the government allows to be done to food these days. Search in the archives about the use of microwaves. Do a search on the web about the medications you are on...dig really deep, not just on the surface. Drink nothing but Reverse Osmosis water or steam distilled water for one month...don't change anything else, but the drinking. You'll feel better just from that, after you go through the two days of with drawals from any soda or caffeine you may (or may not) be addicted to. Or, someone may know of something to band aid the withdrawal symptoms until they are gone.

Then, after these few things, it will just be common walking around sense...you won't need any proof...as the knowledge will already be in your head.

I wondered how in the hell milk or cheese could cause my daughter to have asthma or ADHD, until I read everything they do to it and other things I've learned...just piddling around on the web.

And, how can my internal organs being toxic have anything to do with a skin condition on my feet? Why my feet? And, wouldn't I be otherwise sick if something was wrong with an internal organ? Well, the feet are a symptom, screaming that something is wrong...

Just my 455,000 word cents worth...

Angel

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August 20, 2003

Dear Laura,

You are spot on.

One can thoroughly heal themselves using nutrition only, but it can take up to three years to do it that way. And it is one's personal choice to do so.

However, when you take a program like the Total Body Cleanse, add the nutrition, the exercise, and other lifestyle changes, then the results can be miraculous. We can take those couple of years and bring about a healing in a couple of months.

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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laura_e25

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Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:05 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: Is it worth making time for the 3 week alternative cleanse?

i definitely understand what people are saying about schedules and whatnot...i'm sure we're all busy in some form or fashion...but people HAVE already posted about gentler/slower options to cleansing (changing diet, eating organic, removing processed foods, skin brushing, etc etc.). now if one uses a little logic it should be clear that if something is gentler/easier than it is also probably slower. if we are talking about getting toxins out of the body...obviously the process that has you sitting on the pot many times during the day for four weeks is probably working faster/less gentle than the method that doesn't...this just seems like common sense to me. i also understand trying stuff that hasn't worked and feeling frustrated...but at least in my case most of these things i have tried are more like band-aide herbs so it is precisely b/c i have not really gotten to the root of things (by doing cleanses and harder things like lifelong dietary changes) that i have not had total success. but i would sure rather use trial and error with herbs than a bunch of prescription drugs that are wreaking havoc on my body. and in the scope of things...it's just four weeks...which really isn't that long...but maybe just start with something smaller...the intestinal cleanse...or a short juice fast...or just an overall change in diet etc. it doesn't have to be all or nothing. just my $.02 rant lol.luv laura

August 20, 2003

I just want to stress NO ONE ever needs to suffer through a cleanse ( or

mast anything for that matter unless they choose to)...in fact if that

is your MIND set. Some people feel that this needs to be " hard " or that

they should suffer...I never do anything in my life that makes me suffer

personally! Yuck :-P

You truly can feel good....and feel nurtured by the whole process even

if there is discomfort....really.

Elizabeth

On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Anna wrote:

> I'm not suffering through several weeks

> of an intense cleanse just in the hopes that it might do something.

>

August 20, 2003

Yup!

)

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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Anjeweleyes

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Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:26 PM