Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Hello my friends, As most of you know, my son Jamie is 5 1/2 years old, born with Down's Syndrome. He is still showing absolutely no signs of becoming toilet trained. He knows how to use a potty, and will use it prior to having a bath (upon my gentle request) with no problems. But at all other times, he still uses his nappy. I have tried gentle requests, telling him how it works when he doesn't want to wear a nappy, showing him, etc.. I then thought perhaps he feels this as pressure, so I left it alone for a while and said nothing. None of my approaches seem to work! We are now getting to the point of the commercially available nappies becoming too small for him, so there's that practical side of it as well. Does anyone have any idea of what I should do? Should I just leave it be, and let him take his own time? Is there any other approach that could work? I have been told by some people who just give the child normal underpants, which makes them want to go to the potty due to the messes they will make/get. But I'm not really willing to be getting messes on the carpets and furniture that way LOL love, Lisa Ms Lisa BelcherSunderland, UK IM: LisaBlcICQ # 115492725DownsSyndrome Outgoing mail is certified virus free.Checked by NAV anti-virus system (http://www.symantec.com)Version 8.07.17c.Virus definitions updated daily/weekly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 How about this? Buy a little yellow ( or favorite colored) ball that floats...and make it a challenging game for him to "hit" the ball? And when he does,you can reward him? KarlyZeb Sims <zeb wrote: OOPS... "reach for that toilet" and then "withdraw from that toilet" You can do this "assist" on anything someone needs help facing. so if you have a kid who has a hard time taking out the trash this could also help. i.e.: "reach that trash can" "withdraw from that trash can". etc until he realizes something about the trash can, where he is or anything. And he must have something better than when you started. Zeb - Zeb Sims herbal remedies Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:56 AM Re: [herbal remedies] toilet training Dear Lisa, Have you tried an assist such as having him reach from the toilet and then withdraw from it. Try this every day to a decent end and see how this helps. I'll look into my packs of data and see what else I can dig up. I also try to explain what the toilet is used for and try and give very graphic examples to my kids enjoyment. If this has no effect or result let me know. I'll still look some more. But the basic idea is to help him realize that it is there and can be used. Zeb - Lisa Belcher DownsSyndrome Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:32 AM [herbal remedies] toilet training Hello my friends, As most of you know, my son Jamie is 5 1/2 years old, born with Down's Syndrome. He is still showing absolutely no signs of becoming toilet trained. He knows how to use a potty, and will use it prior to having a bath (upon my gentle request) with no problems. But at all other times, he still uses his nappy. I have tried gentle requests, telling him how it works when he doesn't want to wear a nappy, showing him, etc.. I then thought perhaps he feels this as pressure, so I left it alone for a while and said nothing. None of my approaches seem to work! We are now getting to the point of the commercially available nappies becoming too small for him, so there's that practical side of it as well. Does anyone have any idea of what I should do? Should I just leave it be, and let him take his own time? Is there any other approach that could work? I have been told by some people who just give the child normal underpants, which makes them want to go to the potty due to the messes they will make/get. But I'm not really willing to be getting messes on the carpets and furniture that way LOL love, Lisa Ms Lisa BelcherSunderland, UK IM: LisaBlcICQ # 115492725DownsSyndrome Outgoing mail is certified virus free.Checked by NAV anti-virus system (http://www.symantec.com)Version 8.07.17c.Virus definitions updated daily/weekly.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Dear Lisa, Have you tried an assist such as having him reach from the toilet and then withdraw from it. Try this every day to a decent end and see how this helps. I'll look into my packs of data and see what else I can dig up. I also try to explain what the toilet is used for and try and give very graphic examples to my kids enjoyment. If this has no effect or result let me know. I'll still look some more. But the basic idea is to help him realize that it is there and can be used. Zeb - Lisa Belcher DownsSyndrome Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:32 AM [herbal remedies] toilet training Hello my friends, As most of you know, my son Jamie is 5 1/2 years old, born with Down's Syndrome. He is still showing absolutely no signs of becoming toilet trained. He knows how to use a potty, and will use it prior to having a bath (upon my gentle request) with no problems. But at all other times, he still uses his nappy. I have tried gentle requests, telling him how it works when he doesn't want to wear a nappy, showing him, etc.. I then thought perhaps he feels this as pressure, so I left it alone for a while and said nothing. None of my approaches seem to work! We are now getting to the point of the commercially available nappies becoming too small for him, so there's that practical side of it as well. Does anyone have any idea of what I should do? Should I just leave it be, and let him take his own time? Is there any other approach that could work? I have been told by some people who just give the child normal underpants, which makes them want to go to the potty due to the messes they will make/get. But I'm not really willing to be getting messes on the carpets and furniture that way LOL love, Lisa Ms Lisa BelcherSunderland, UK IM: LisaBlcICQ # 115492725DownsSyndrome Outgoing mail is certified virus free.Checked by NAV anti-virus system (http://www.symantec.com)Version 8.07.17c.Virus definitions updated daily/weekly.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 OOPS... "reach for that toilet" and then "withdraw from that toilet" You can do this "assist" on anything someone needs help facing. so if you have a kid who has a hard time taking out the trash this could also help. i.e.: "reach that trash can" "withdraw from that trash can". etc until he realizes something about the trash can, where he is or anything. And he must have something better than when you started. Zeb - Zeb Sims herbal remedies Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:56 AM Re: [herbal remedies] toilet training Dear Lisa, Have you tried an assist such as having him reach from the toilet and then withdraw from it. Try this every day to a decent end and see how this helps. I'll look into my packs of data and see what else I can dig up. I also try to explain what the toilet is used for and try and give very graphic examples to my kids enjoyment. If this has no effect or result let me know. I'll still look some more. But the basic idea is to help him realize that it is there and can be used. Zeb - Lisa Belcher DownsSyndrome Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:32 AM [herbal remedies] toilet training Hello my friends, As most of you know, my son Jamie is 5 1/2 years old, born with Down's Syndrome. He is still showing absolutely no signs of becoming toilet trained. He knows how to use a potty, and will use it prior to having a bath (upon my gentle request) with no problems. But at all other times, he still uses his nappy. I have tried gentle requests, telling him how it works when he doesn't want to wear a nappy, showing him, etc.. I then thought perhaps he feels this as pressure, so I left it alone for a while and said nothing. None of my approaches seem to work! We are now getting to the point of the commercially available nappies becoming too small for him, so there's that practical side of it as well. Does anyone have any idea of what I should do? Should I just leave it be, and let him take his own time? Is there any other approach that could work? I have been told by some people who just give the child normal underpants, which makes them want to go to the potty due to the messes they will make/get. But I'm not really willing to be getting messes on the carpets and furniture that way LOL love, Lisa Ms Lisa BelcherSunderland, UK IM: LisaBlcICQ # 115492725DownsSyndrome Outgoing mail is certified virus free.Checked by NAV anti-virus system (http://www.symantec.com)Version 8.07.17c.Virus definitions updated daily/weekly.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 i've also heard of using cheerios or some sort of cereal...that way you don't have to worry about the retrieving...definitely making it into more a game could help if you think he's feeling pressured--you def. want to avoid that. good luck luv laura herbal remedies , karly <karly11us> wrote: > uhmmm....you could use a litter scooper to get it out for flushing? Haha! No one has all the answers~and if they do?....tell me! haha! > Karly > > Stevie! <Babylon@o...> wrote: > Yeah but, who's gonna retreive the ball? ;} > > ducking...Stevie > > > > How about this? Buy a little yellow ( or favorite colored) ball that > > floats...and make it a challenging game for him to " hit " the ball? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Oooohh I know!!! Drain the water from the bowl and paint a bullseye target on the bottom! See? No retreiving anything! :} Stevie > Glad you said it Stevie! (ducking heck, I'm hiding) > Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 --- Stevie! <Babylon wrote: > Oooohh I know!!! Drain the water from the bowl and > paint a bullseye > target on the bottom! See? No retreiving anything! > > :} Stevie You can buy them from janitorial suppliers. I know because a friend of mine works for one. A rubber/plastic bulls-eye that sits at the bottom of the toilet. ===== John Ybarra We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 I used those training panties, regular material inside covered with plastic. They have to be the most uncomfortable things int he world but it worked on my daughter and she showed no signs of wanting to use the potty either! I got them at Target. The still made her very uncomfortable but kept the mess in mroe than regualr panties would have. Good Luck! I also used a Rugrat video (she was a BIG Rugrat fan!) called Chuckie vs. the Pottie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 I didn't spank him or reprimand him...I just talked about how nasty that was on the floor while WE cleaned it up, constantly reminding him not to put his hands around his face, and then he had to take a full bath every time. This may work for some, and not for others...but, you could try. AngelThere is the key.........WE...... Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Thanks Laura :-) Lisa - laura_e25 herbal remedies Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:51 PM [herbal remedies] Re: toilet training i've also heard of using cheerios or some sort of cereal...that way you don't have to worry about the retrieving...definitely making it into more a game could help if you think he's feeling pressured--you def. want to avoid that. good luckluv laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 I just went through training with my own son and we tried everything also. I hate to say it but no diaper is the way to go. Just play outside alot it is summer. If you are really dead set against that method the treats work but what he understood the best was a game with my husband. They would both go pee at the same time and to make it less scary they would draw pictures and then my son would show me what they drew I was always overly excited at his pee pee pictures. This only took about 3 days. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 herbal remedies , " Lisa Belcher " <lisabelcher@t...> wrote: > Hello my friends, > > As most of you know, my son Jamie is 5 1/2 years old, born with Down's Syndrome. > > He is still showing absolutely no signs of becoming toilet trained. He knows how to use a potty, and will use it prior to having a bath (upon my gentle request) with no problems. But at all other times, he still uses his nappy. > > I have tried gentle requests, telling him how it works when he doesn't want to wear a nappy, showing him, etc.. I then thought perhaps he feels this as pressure, so I left it alone for a while and said nothing. > > None of my approaches seem to work! Hi Lisa.. When i trained my babies except for the first one, I had roll models to help teach them. We would make a production of it!! The sibling just a bit older would go 'tinkle' on the pottie with the baby present and making a show of it for the baby, and we would praise the elder one loudly and happily and ask the baby if he/she wants to take a 'turn.' it takes very little time to get the child interested in doing what an elder sibling can do. Dr. Phil of the TV show suggests using a doll that takes water and then can seem to yurinate in the pottie and has the child assist the doll to do so and make a really big deal out of it. usually this will take no more than a day with a bit of roll playing and fun time. Make a game of it. It may work and may not, but it may be worth a try. Let us know how he comes out and i know all our hearts and best wishes are with you. Love...granny lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Well Angel, I know you were joking, but actually I am in progress on getting a male au-pair here. I already thought of this with what you guys were saying :-) Vlad (the au-pair) is on his way right now to Bucharest (Romania) to try again for his VISA tomorrow morning. He went also 2 months ago and was refused!! Real crappy reasons also: he's a 21 year old unattached male, not so good in Romania, so they figured he wouldn't want to leave UK again!! That's why they refused him a VISA!!! Can you believe it? Anyhow, you guys can help us out by postulating with us that this time he's going to be successful and actually get his VISA!!! And then he can help with the potty training LOL love, Lisa - Anjeweleyes herbal remedies Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:58 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: toilet training Lisa... Could you rent a man for three or four months? Three days to train him and the rest for him to get used to the man, so he wouldn't be ....oh, you get the idea...but, THIS IS A JOKE. Love ya...we keep forgetting that you are a single mom... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Hi Lisa, I had the same problem with Joey and Benjamin. Ben was almost 6 when I potty trained him and he still has accidents. You have to constantly run Jamie to the potty. Have him in pull ups if you dont already. Get the thick cotton training pants for the daytime. I think they get used to being in a diaper and equate potty training to losing a security blanket. I got Ben a Buzz Lightyear doll (he loves those movies) and Buzz was potty trained at the same time LOL! Type in "diaper youth" for keyword search. If he gets too big before you are done training, there are bigger diapers out there. Keep some regular vinegar around for accidents, as it takes the smell right out. Please tell me when you are feeling frustrated or can't think past a problem, I am here for you. Janet - Lisa Belcher DownsSyndrome Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:32 AM [herbal remedies] toilet training Hello my friends, As most of you know, my son Jamie is 5 1/2 years old, born with Down's Syndrome. He is still showing absolutely no signs of becoming toilet trained. He knows how to use a potty, and will use it prior to having a bath (upon my gentle request) with no problems. But at all other times, he still uses his nappy. I have tried gentle requests, telling him how it works when he doesn't want to wear a nappy, showing him, etc.. I then thought perhaps he feels this as pressure, so I left it alone for a while and said nothing. None of my approaches seem to work! We are now getting to the point of the commercially available nappies becoming too small for him, so there's that practical side of it as well. Does anyone have any idea of what I should do? Should I just leave it be, and let him take his own time? Is there any other approach that could work? I have been told by some people who just give the child normal underpants, which makes them want to go to the potty due to the messes they will make/get. But I'm not really willing to be getting messes on the carpets and furniture that way LOL love, Lisa Ms Lisa BelcherSunderland, UK IM: LisaBlcICQ # 115492725DownsSyndrome Outgoing mail is certified virus free.Checked by NAV anti-virus system (http://www.symantec.com)Version 8.07.17c.Virus definitions updated daily/weekly.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Rather than something that needs retrieving, you can make bulls eye targets on flushable paper, like toilet seat covers, or even toilet paper. Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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