where did pharmacuticals come from...

[Guest guest]

I was told by a few people that Aspirin came from white oak bark, (like

the ones in health food stores) I thought they were lying...I was just

sure over the counter aspirin came from a chemical source...Now I feel

safer taking it when the need arises. Thanks, Gaye

[Guest guest]

Speaking of this, I was told that penicillin comes from mold...is there any truth in this? Or, it used to anyhow.

Yes, I could do research, but which sites do you believe or not...or maybe a book...but, then I wouldn't know the technical word for mold...

What's the word for mold?

Thanks,

Angel

Pharmaceuticals come from herbs...Yeap, just another way that "modern technology" has come up with to molest everything natural...

 

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[Guest guest]

I've " heard " that too...Both...Gaye

 

I have been taught that it is 'white willow bark'.  

Sherry

[Guest guest]

on 7/22/03 8:09 PM, gayekyc1 at gayekyc1 wrote:

 

 

I have been taught that it is 'white willow bark'.

 

Sherry

 

I was told by a few people that Aspirin came from white oak bark, (like

the ones in health food stores) I thought they were lying...I was just

sure over the counter aspirin came from a chemical source...Now I feel

safer taking it when the need arises. Thanks, Gaye

[Guest guest]

Hi Gaye,

 

Don't get to comfortable and secure with that concept.

 

Actually, aspirin does not come from White Oak Bark. White Oak Bark contains very little if any salicin which is needed to make aspirin. Aspirin was originally obtained from willow trees.

 

Then in around 1898-1899 a German chemist working for Bayer did this and the rest was history. Aspirin is no longer natural. However, you can find natural white willow bark in health food stores and herbariums (or whatever they call herb stores) or go and get your own, just make sure you don't kill the tree:

 

 

Salicylic acid

A colorless, crystalline organic carboxylic acid. It is usually prepared by Kolbe synthesis (aka Kolbe-Schmitt reaction), which works by heating sodium phenolate (the sodium salt of phenol) with carbon dioxide under pressure (100 atm, 125°C), then treating it with sulfuric acid. Salicylic acid is also found in plants, especially in fruit, in the form of methyl salicylate. It is toxic if digested in large quantities, but in small quantities used as a food preservative and antiseptic in toothpaste. The carboxyl group (-COOH) can react with alcohols, forming several useful esters. The hydroxyl group (-OH) can react with acetic acid to acetylsalicylic acid.

Acetylsalicylic acid (Aspirin) Acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) can be prepared by the esterification of the phenolic hydroxyl group of salicylic acid. It is used in medicine as an analgesic, as an anti-inflammatory agent, and as an antipyretic compound. It is sold under the brand name Aspirin by Bayer AG; see Aspirin for medical information.

 

 

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herbal remedies

23. July 2003 08:12:13 AM

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Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

I was told by a few people that Aspirin came from white oak bark, (likethe ones in health food stores) I thought they were lying...I was justsure over the counter aspirin came from a chemical source...Now I feelsafer taking it when the need arises. Thanks, GayeFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Hi Angel,

 

Yup yup yup, penicillin definitely comes from mold. The original mold was called Penicillium notatum. Lots of molds and fungi are used in the killing of bacteria. Very much truth.

 

Don Quai

 

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23. July 2003 05:21:35 AM

herbal remedies

Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

 

Speaking of this, I was told that penicillin comes from mold...is there any truth in this? Or, it used to anyhow.

Yes, I could do research, but which sites do you believe or not...or maybe a book...but, then I wouldn't know the technical word for mold...

What's the word for mold?

Thanks,

Angel

Pharmaceuticals come from herbs...Yeap, just another way that "modern technology" has come up with to molest everything natural...

 

All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection.

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Jana.

 

Oh well...Back to square one??? I guess this just proves, we should

always research something and not take info (especially from NON

believers, lol) for granted...Thanks, Gaye

 

In reply to:

Hi Gaye,

 

Don't get to comfortable and secure with that concept.

 

Actually, aspirin does not come from White Oak Bark. White Oak Bark

contains very little if any salicin which is needed to make aspirin.

Aspirin was originally obtained from  willow trees.

 

Then in around 1898-1899 a German chemist working for Bayer did this and

the rest was history. Aspirin is no longer natural. However, you can

find natural white willow bark in health food stores and herbariums (or

whatever they call herb stores) or go and get your own, just make sure

you don't kill the tree:

[Guest guest]

Right on Don. This is gotta be Don rather than Jana ;o)

 

From the research I've done in the past, Salicylic Acid was discovered by analysing an old herbal remedy made from White Willow Bark.

 

Bayer and Co. decided to synthesize it and came up with the proprietary Acetylsalicylic Acid we now find in Aspirin and which has made them billions.

 

Aspirin causes bleeding in the stomach, and is also debilitating of the Liver. Yes, it also thins the blood, but would anyone cut off their nose to get rid of a pimple in the middle of it??? One does not get pain, headaches, or thickened blood because of an aspirin deficiency.

 

Aspirin is terrible stuff. It is very destructive and completely useless as a "healing" agent.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Jana Eitner

herbal remedies

Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:18 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

 

 

 

 

 

Salicylic acid

A colorless, crystalline organic carboxylic acid. It is usually prepared by Kolbe synthesis (aka Kolbe-Schmitt reaction), which works by heating sodium phenolate (the sodium salt of phenol) with carbon dioxide under pressure (100 atm, 125°C), then treating it with sulfuric acid. Salicylic acid is also found in plants, especially in fruit, in the form of methyl salicylate. It is toxic if digested in large quantities, but in small quantities used as a food preservative and antiseptic in toothpaste. The carboxyl group (-COOH) can react with alcohols, forming several useful esters. The hydroxyl group (-OH) can react with acetic acid to acetylsalicylic acid.

Acetylsalicylic acid (Aspirin) Acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) can be prepared by the esterification of the phenolic hydroxyl group of salicylic acid. It is used in medicine as an analgesic, as an anti-inflammatory agent, and as an antipyretic compound. It is sold under the brand name Aspirin by Bayer AG; see Aspirin for medical information.

 

 

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herbal remedies

23. July 2003 08:12:13 AM

herbal remedies

Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

I was told by a few people that Aspirin came from white oak bark, (likethe ones in health food stores) I thought they were lying...I was justsure over the counter aspirin came from a chemical source...Now I feelsafer taking it when the need arises. Thanks, Gaye

 

[Guest guest]

Yup, twas me. I admit it. Using the wifes email addy as I was checking and cleaning. Part of my hat at work. LOL

 

Best is to get yourself some white willow bark and make a decoction out of it or tincture it. Then use that in place of the aspirin. Also do a web search for plants containing salicin and salicin compounds. You will find many including trees. Sorry but white oak just doesn't have it in it. Does have lots of tannins though.

 

Don Quai

 

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Dr. Ian Shillington

herbal remedies

Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:46 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

 

Right on Don. This is gotta be Don rather than Jana ;o)

 

From the research I've done in the past, Salicylic Acid was discovered by analysing an old herbal remedy made from White Willow Bark.

 

Bayer and Co. decided to synthesize it and came up with the proprietary Acetylsalicylic Acid we now find in Aspirin and which has made them billions.

 

Aspirin causes bleeding in the stomach, and is also debilitating of the Liver. Yes, it also thins the blood, but would anyone cut off their nose to get rid of a pimple in the middle of it??? One does not get pain, headaches, or thickened blood because of an aspirin deficiency.

 

Aspirin is terrible stuff. It is very destructive and completely useless as a "healing" agent.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Jana Eitner

herbal remedies

Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:18 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Salicylic acid

A colorless, crystalline organic carboxylic acid. It is usually prepared by Kolbe synthesis (aka Kolbe-Schmitt reaction), which works by heating sodium phenolate (the sodium salt of phenol) with carbon dioxide under pressure (100 atm, 125°C), then treating it with sulfuric acid. Salicylic acid is also found in plants, especially in fruit, in the form of methyl salicylate. It is toxic if digested in large quantities, but in small quantities used as a food preservative and antiseptic in toothpaste. The carboxyl group (-COOH) can react with alcohols, forming several useful esters. The hydroxyl group (-OH) can react with acetic acid to acetylsalicylic acid.

Acetylsalicylic acid (Aspirin) Acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) can be prepared by the esterification of the phenolic hydroxyl group of salicylic acid. It is used in medicine as an analgesic, as an anti-inflammatory agent, and as an antipyretic compound. It is sold under the brand name Aspirin by Bayer AG; see Aspirin for medical information.

 

 

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herbal remedies

23. July 2003 08:12:13 AM

herbal remedies

Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

I was told by a few people that Aspirin came from white oak bark, (likethe ones in health food stores) I thought they were lying...I was justsure over the counter aspirin came from a chemical source...Now I feelsafer taking it when the need arises. Thanks, Gaye

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Absolutely! And the tannins in the White Oak Bark are great for tightening gums, etc. It is a great astringent. It is in the Tooth and Gum Formula in the files.

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Don Quai

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Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:50 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

 

Yup, twas me. I admit it. Using the wifes email addy as I was checking and cleaning. Part of my hat at work. LOL

 

Best is to get yourself some white willow bark and make a decoction out of it or tincture it. Then use that in place of the aspirin. Also do a web search for plants containing salicin and salicin compounds. You will find many including trees. Sorry but white oak just doesn't have it in it. Does have lots of tannins though.

 

Don Quai

 

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Dr. Ian Shillington

herbal remedies

Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:46 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] where did pharmacuticals come from...

 

Right on Don. This is gotta be Don rather than Jana ;o)

 

From the research I've done in the past, Salicylic Acid was discovered by analysing an old herbal remedy made from White Willow Bark.

 

Bayer and Co. decided to synthesize it and came up with the proprietary Acetylsalicylic Acid we now find in Aspirin and which has made them billions.

 

Aspirin causes bleeding in the stomach, and is also debilitating of the Liver. Yes, it also thins the blood, but would anyone cut off their nose to get rid of a pimple in the middle of it??? One does not get pain, headaches, or thickened blood because of an aspirin deficiency.

 

Aspirin is terrible stuff. It is very destructive and completely useless as a "healing" agent.

 

Love,

 

Doc