Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 This is what I found on the web.... now how is the child's diet and environment? Suzi Failure to thrive Author/s: Dorothy Elinor Stonely Definition Failure to thrive (FTT) is used to describe a delay in a child's growth or development. It is usually applied to infants and children up to two years of age who do not gain or maintain weight as they should. Failure to thrive is not a specific disease, but rather a cluster of symptoms which may come from a variety of sources. Description Shortly after birth most infants loose some weight. After that expected loss, babies should gain weight at a steady and predictable rate. When a baby does not gain weigh as expected, or continues to loose weight, it is not thriving. Failure to thrive may be due to one or more conditions. Organic failure to thrive (OFTT) implies that the organs involved with digestion and absorption of food are malformed or incomplete so the baby cannot digest its food. Non-organic failure to thrive (NOFTT) is the most common cause of FTT and implies the baby is not receiving enough food due to economic factors or parental neglect, or do to psychosocial problems. Causes & symptoms Occasionally, there may be an underlying physical condition that inhibits the baby's ability to take in, digest, or process food. These defects can occur in the esophagus, stomach, small or large intestine, rectum or anus. Usually the defect is an incomplete development of the organ, and it must be surgically corrected. Most physical defects can be detected shortly after birth. Failure to thrive may also result from lack of available food or the quality of the food offered. This can be due to economic factors in the family, parental beliefs and concepts of nutrition, or neglect of the child. In addition, if the baby is being breast fed, the quality or quantity of the mother's milk may be the source of the problem. Psychosocial problems, often stemming from a lack of nurturing parent-child relations can lead to a failure to thrive. The child may exhibit poor appetite due to depression from insufficient attention from parents. Infants and toddlers, whose growth is substantially less than expected, are considered to be suffering from FTT. Diagnosis Most babies are weighed at birth and that weight is used as a base line for future well-baby check-ups. If the baby is not gaining weight at a predictable rate, the doctor will do a more extensive examination. If there are no apparent physical deformities in the digestive tract, the doctor will examine the child's environment. As part of that examination, the doctor will look at the family history of height and weight. In addition, the parents will be asked about feedings, illnesses, and family routines. If the mother is breastfeeding the doctor will also evaluate her diet, general health, and well being as it affects the quantity and quality of her milk. Diagnosis of FTT is confirmed by a positive growth and behavioral response to increased nutrition. Treatment If there is an underlying physical reason for failure to thrive, such as a disorder of swallowing mechanism or intestinal problems, correcting that problem should reverse the condition. If the condition is caused by environmental factors, the physician will suggest several ways parents may provide adequate food for the child. Maternal education and parental counseling may also be recommended. In extreme cases, hospitalization or a more nurturing home may be necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Lauren, What is your diet like? I assume you are breast feeding? Do you take total tonic... total nutrition? Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Howdy, I was told that a nursing can take five minutes to forty five minutes, but not to worry as long as the baby is gaining weight... With that being said...could it be that you (Lauren) are just having flash backs and needlessly worrying...I see you had alot of trouble with your first...and that would justify a worry...but, you said the baby is gaining weight...I must have missed any other symptoms... Confused, Angel All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 No I don't. I can barely eat. I think it's a waist of time. All I do is get fatter and fatter and fit into less and less clothes. It's also a task that is never done. Much like raising kids which I'm none the fond of either. <y diet consists of waffles for breakfast, cereal with soy milk (sugar cereals) tuna fish, turkey sandwiches and that's about it. Suzanne [suziesgoats] Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:53 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition Lauren, What is your diet like? I assume you are breast feeding? Do you take total tonic... total nutrition? Suzi Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 I"m not even sure if she has this. All I know is she is sleeping more and more like her brother and she thrashes when she nurses and she is crying a lot. Not normal for her but has been doing this thrashing and not sleeping well for 9 days now. Anjeweleyes [anjewelhaze] Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:04 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition Howdy, I was told that a nursing can take five minutes to forty five minutes, but not to worry as long as the baby is gaining weight... With that being said...could it be that you (Lauren) are just having flash backs and needlessly worrying...I see you had alot of trouble with your first...and that would justify a worry...but, you said the baby is gaining weight...I must have missed any other symptoms... Confused, Angel All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Lauren, I think I see the problem now... what you eat your baby gets... and the mood you are in passes to your child... if you are depressed.. the baby will be too. It sounds like you are the one with the failure to thrive and are passing it down to your children... Lauren, get ahold of yourself girl!!!! Your attitude also affects your weight... (trust me on this one)... I really suggest making yourself some total tonic.. taking it daily along with total nutrition.. take some in glass of juice at least... you and your baby need some good nutrition... what kind of soy milk are you drinking??? and please get off the sugar cereals... that stuff is loaded (and it adds on the weight).. Lauren, if it sounds like I am coming down on you, well, I am very concerned... call it "tough love" ... You need to help yourself to help your little one... SuziLauren Bastow <lbastow wrote: No I don't. I can barely eat. I think it's a waist of time. All I do is get fatter and fatter and fit into less and less clothes. It's also a task that is never done. Much like raising kids which I'm none the fond of either. <y diet consists of waffles for breakfast, cereal with soy milk (sugar cereals) tuna fish, turkey sandwiches and that's about it. Suzanne [suziesgoats] Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:53 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition Lauren, What is your diet like? I assume you are breast feeding? Do you take total tonic... total nutrition? Suzi Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 To Everyone, please...I don't want to steer this woman wrong, if you see anything that needs correcting, by all means, help us out... Oh, Honey....it sounds like you have classic baby blues...or maybe mommy blues...(MAJOR STRESS) I've had this...before I met my honey... I can tell you that I was so sick and disgusted with my weight I just couldn't see straight...so, I cut down on even a whole meal or two on days when I was really bad off...but, then I only gained more weight because (my opinion, could be wrong) my body thought I was starving, so it kept every ounce of fat, plus everything I put into it... If you starve yourself, or eat only a little of the wrong stuff (basically starving your body though) that's not going to help. Your body knows it needs everything it can "get it's hands on" to feed that baby, so it ain't gonna give up anything willingly... And, I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but if you start eating good stuff...then, you'll feel much better... I can't in good faith tell you to stop nursing...I wouldn't stop. But, bread and sugar...at least cut down on it... You see, before I hit rock bottom and figured out that only I could stop this needless self inflicted harassment, I even went so far as to blame my kids for all my problems...worst mistake this old noggin ever made...but, the truth's the truth. (My head is pounding, I'm so worried about you and if this advice is on target, please wait for others to correct me). Ms. Suzi, I'm sure will have some ideas, as well as Amanda (she's current on alot of stuff about babies the natural way). How about a good old hot bath with Lavender, and a liquid burner for the house? Oh, it's been such a long time...and this last post brought back such nightmares...I just wish I could come over there and fix what evers so wrong! Please, I beg you, don't take it out on the kids, they may forgive you, but you won't forgive yourself. Oh, woo is me...this is a very big personal "button" of mine...my apologies if I've went too far. Best wishes and all the love I can muster, Angel All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:41 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition No I don't. I can barely eat. I think it's a waist of time. All I do is get fatter and fatter and fit into less and less clothes. It's also a task that is never done. Much like raising kids which I'm none the fond of either. <y diet consists of waffles for breakfast, cereal with soy milk (sugar cereals) tuna fish, turkey sandwiches and that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Babies are uncanny at sensing things...and they show it in all kinds of different ways. All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:43 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition I"m not even sure if she has this. All I know is she is sleeping more and more like her brother and she thrashes when she nurses and she is crying a lot. Not normal for her but has been doing this thrashing and not sleeping well for 9 days now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 In a message dated 7/22/2003 4:44:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, dragonhealing writes: I wish they would update this. I don't know about you Lauren, but I went through hell with mine. Child welfare at my door all the time, making me strip the kids to show they weren't bruised. It isn't always due to being poor or neglectful. Call Doc right away if you haven't already. And please keep us informed doll. I would love to know more about how the pregnancy and birth went, diet, any other symptoms you notice, etc. Janet I agree. My friend's baby was very "sickly" for over a year from birth. Her mom had to get a medicine that you can't take while pregnant when pregnant to save her life. They told her the baby would stop growing in the womb and it would delay her growth, but there was no other choice, so the baby came early as it wouldn't continue to grow anyway. When in public her baby was thin, and the baby eats a lot, but everyone would give her dirty looks, like - Aren't you feeding the child? I see all these posts on diet right now - but that's not always the cause. Her baby ate a lot but just well....they didnt even know if she would make it to a year or not. Thankfully she is now three. Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 I wish they would update this. I don't know about you Lauren, but I went through hell with mine. Child welfare at my door all the time, making me strip the kids to show they weren't bruised. It isn't always due to being poor or neglectful. Call Doc right away if you haven't already. And please keep us informed doll. I would love to know more about how the pregnancy and birth went, diet, any other symptoms you notice, etc. Janet - Suzanne herbal remedies Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:44 AM [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition This is what I found on the web.... now how is the child's diet and environment? Suzi Failure to thrive Author/s: Dorothy Elinor Stonely Definition Failure to thrive (FTT) is used to describe a delay in a child's growth or development. It is usually applied to infants and children up to two years of age who do not gain or maintain weight as they should. Failure to thrive is not a specific disease, but rather a cluster of symptoms which may come from a variety of sources.<SNIP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Lauren you sound like you have the baby blues real bad. All the carbs and sugar are making it worse. Babies sense their mommy's feelings and their health can fail very fast. Janet - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:41 AM RE: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition No I don't. I can barely eat. I think it's a waist of time. All I do is get fatter and fatter and fit into less and less clothes. It's also a task that is never done. Much like raising kids which I'm none the fond of either. <y diet consists of waffles for breakfast, cereal with soy milk (sugar cereals) tuna fish, turkey sandwiches and that's about it. Suzanne [suziesgoats] Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:53 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition Lauren, What is your diet like? I assume you are breast feeding? Do you take total tonic... total nutrition? Suzi Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Nice post Angel :-) Janet - Anjeweleyes herbal remedies Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:41 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition To Everyone, please...I don't want to steer this woman wrong, if you see anything that needs correcting, by all means, help us out... Oh, Honey....it sounds like you have classic baby blues...or maybe mommy blues...(MAJOR STRESS) I've had this...before I met my honey... I can tell you that I was so sick and disgusted with my weight I just couldn't see straight...so, I cut down on even a whole meal or two on days when I was really bad off...but, then I only gained more weight because (my opinion, could be wrong) my body thought I was starving, so it kept every ounce of fat, plus everything I put into it... If you starve yourself, or eat only a little of the wrong stuff (basically starving your body though) that's not going to help. Your body knows it needs everything it can "get it's hands on" to feed that baby, so it ain't gonna give up anything willingly... And, I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but if you start eating good stuff...then, you'll feel much better... I can't in good faith tell you to stop nursing...I wouldn't stop. But, bread and sugar...at least cut down on it... You see, before I hit rock bottom and figured out that only I could stop this needless self inflicted harassment, I even went so far as to blame my kids for all my problems...worst mistake this old noggin ever made...but, the truth's the truth. (My head is pounding, I'm so worried about you and if this advice is on target, please wait for others to correct me). Ms. Suzi, I'm sure will have some ideas, as well as Amanda (she's current on alot of stuff about babies the natural way). How about a good old hot bath with Lavender, and a liquid burner for the house? Oh, it's been such a long time...and this last post brought back such nightmares...I just wish I could come over there and fix what evers so wrong! Please, I beg you, don't take it out on the kids, they may forgive you, but you won't forgive yourself. Oh, woo is me...this is a very big personal "button" of mine...my apologies if I've went too far. Best wishes and all the love I can muster, Angel All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:41 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition No I don't. I can barely eat. I think it's a waist of time. All I do is get fatter and fatter and fit into less and less clothes. It's also a task that is never done. Much like raising kids which I'm none the fond of either. <y diet consists of waffles for breakfast, cereal with soy milk (sugar cereals) tuna fish, turkey sandwiches and that's about it. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Yes, this is exactly how Ben was. For his first year I fed him every 2 hours and held him all the time. I knew there was a desparate struggle for life going on inside his little body. The "experts" had no clue what was wrong. And on top of that constant stress they kept accusing me of NOT feeding him at all. What parents need is support, not more stress. Janet - ErinJC23 herbal remedies Tuesday, July 22, 2003 5:28 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Failure to Thrive - definition In a message dated 7/22/2003 4:44:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, dragonhealing writes: I wish they would update this. I don't know about you Lauren, but I went through hell with mine. Child welfare at my door all the time, making me strip the kids to show they weren't bruised. It isn't always due to being poor or neglectful. Call Doc right away if you haven't already. And please keep us informed doll. I would love to know more about how the pregnancy and birth went, diet, any other symptoms you notice, etc.JanetI agree. My friend's baby was very "sickly" for over a year from birth. Her mom had to get a medicine that you can't take while pregnant when pregnant to save her life. They told her the baby would stop growing in the womb and it would delay her growth, but there was no other choice, so the baby came early as it wouldn't continue to grow anyway. When in public her baby was thin, and the baby eats a lot, but everyone would give her dirty looks, like - Aren't you feeding the child? I see all these posts on diet right now - but that's not always the cause. Her baby ate a lot but just well....they didnt even know if she would make it to a year or not. Thankfully she is now three.Erin Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 And sometimes that stress can come from your very own family members...Ones that aren't for breastfeeding...Mine continually tried to sway me to bottle feed...enough already!!! Maybe folks nowadays are into it more, but back when I did it, it was just starting to get popular and everybody had negative opinions about it...Thank goodness the Pediatrition agreed or I wouldn't have had any support. Gaye PS-I take that back---My Grandmother, Bless Her Heart, helped me thru a lot of troubles, with old time remedies, even the mastitis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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