Guest guest Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 People seem to think table scraps are bad for animals when in fact they are better than the store bought crap, even the stuff at vet offices is junk. Dogs have been tolerating that junk for years and now it's all starting to backfire just like us humans. Its' loaded w/ preservatives, colors and phony flavors that put a huge load on kidney and liver function which eventually is fatal. If a dog has skin problems you can pretty much bet that animal is consuming carbohydrates, potoatoe, rice, corn. Dogs are carnivores there intestinal system is 1/3 a humans and there stomach acids are super strong, thats how they can eat bone and poop white powder out of it, not to mention raw pork and whole fish. I heard broccolli is toxic to dogs as well, I know who would think? I've got a 7yr old tiny yorki poo that (had) a liver shunt problem and after thousands of dollars of vet bills and no hope for my pooch I switcher her to raw (protein/fat) which any vet will first tell you that is what you have to eliminate to keep the dog alive. Ya right!!! thats all I feed her now and she's gained weight, doesn't throw up bile daily, new dog!!!! ROAR SAYS ME. FYI- raw bones are fine for animals DO NOT FEED COOKED/MICROWAVED BONE OF ANY TYPE. PAM +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >I have a Chihuahua...he eats salsa, but it has to be hot...and he eats >cherries off the tree...and, he eats lettuce with sour cream and salsa. >He'll eat chili, spaghetti, and all kinds of things...so, my BIL has told >me... >I think that table foods, even inorganic or processed is better than most >dry dog foods and especially canned. >Even though they are not good for us, and we're not supposed to feed the >animals with it...Think about it, I am sure that regulations are at least >the same for dog food if not more lenient than human foods... >And, I may be wrong on this...but, when I was little all we ever could >afford was table scraps for the " Heinz 57s " we drug home...and they lived >for years and years and years. Now days, there's all these diseases with >big long words that no one can spell so they call them by the >initials...and of coarse they come from bad nutrition or " from not being >immunized " . (There we go again on the shots) >And, so....I feed my pooch and kitty's what ever I eat. I don't however >give them junk...and try to keep the kids and honey from it too...but, >sometimes that gets in there too. >Now, I have been told not to give a bird chocolate or sugar, as they will >wait for more and starve themselves too death... >But, this is just my 2 cents... >Angel > > _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 My hubby and I were comparing different ingredients in dog food and you know what the number 1 ingredient in *most* dog foods is? Corn meal. We're going to start feeding our woofer raw meats, too. --- Pee Tee <peetee1965 wrote: > People seem to think table scraps are bad for > animals when in fact they are > better than the store bought crap, even the stuff > at vet offices is junk. > Dogs have been tolerating that junk for years and > now it's all starting to > backfire just like us humans. Its' loaded w/ > preservatives, colors and phony > flavors that put a huge load on kidney and liver > function which eventually > is fatal. If a dog has skin problems you can pretty > much bet that animal is > consuming carbohydrates, potoatoe, rice, corn. Dogs > are carnivores there > intestinal system is 1/3 a humans and there stomach > acids are super strong, > thats how they can eat bone and poop white powder > out of it, not to mention > raw pork and whole fish. I heard broccolli is toxic > to dogs as well, I > know who would think? > I've got a 7yr old tiny yorki poo that (had) a liver > shunt problem and after > thousands of dollars of vet bills and no hope for my > pooch I switcher her to > raw (protein/fat) which any vet will first tell you > that is what you have to > eliminate to keep the dog alive. Ya right!!! thats > all I feed her now and > she's gained weight, doesn't throw up bile daily, > new dog!!!! > ROAR SAYS ME. > FYI- raw bones are fine for animals DO NOT FEED > COOKED/MICROWAVED BONE OF > ANY TYPE. > PAM SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Chocolate is toxic to dogs and cats and is not a natural food anyway. Remember that your pets are not the same species as your children and feed them accordingly i.e. cats require a large amount of meat proteins to live. Janet - Anna herbal remedies Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:51 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets On some of the dog lists at , they have said that chocolate will killdogs and onions are bad for them, too.- AnnaAt 11:17 AM 7/20/03 -0500, Angel wrote:>Now, I have been told not to give a bird chocolate or sugar, as they willwait for more and starve themselves too death...>But, this is just my 2 cents...>Angel>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Onions are not bad for dogs unless you give them too much and nothing or little else. Add sprouted rice to your new dog's food mix, it will help him/her adjust and gain a little weight. Use certified organic produce and meat in your recipes, just like you would for your human family ;-) Janet - Stacey herbal remedies Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:32 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets I've never heard of onions being bad for dogs, but Ihave heard that of chocolate. And I agree withwhoever said that most dog foods aren't good for dogs.My husband and I adopted a wolf hybrid from the poundand we've been doing LOTS of research on nutrition fordogs because she was so underweight. I don't thinkbananas are bad for dogs, but be careful, because itcould cause diarrhea. Also, dairy isn't good for them(however yogurt is).Stacey--- Anna <aljuarez wrote:> On some of the dog lists at , they have said> that chocolate will kill> dogs and onions are bad for them, too.> > - Anna> > > > At 11:17 AM 7/20/03 -0500, Angel wrote:> >Now, I have been told not to give a bird chocolate> or sugar, as they will> wait for more and starve themselves too death...> >But, this is just my 2 cents...> >Angel> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.http://search.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Dogs are not carnivores they are omnivores. Janet - Pee Tee herbal remedies Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:09 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets People seem to think table scraps are bad for animals when in fact they are better than the store bought crap, even the stuff at vet offices is junk. Dogs have been tolerating that junk for years and now it's all starting to backfire just like us humans. Its' loaded w/ preservatives, colors and phony flavors that put a huge load on kidney and liver function which eventually is fatal. If a dog has skin problems you can pretty much bet that animal is consuming carbohydrates, potoatoe, rice, corn. Dogs are carnivores there intestinal system is 1/3 a humans and there stomach acids are super strong, thats how they can eat bone and poop white powder out of it, not to mention raw pork and whole fish. I heard broccolli is toxic to dogs as well, I know who would think?I've got a 7yr old tiny yorki poo that (had) a liver shunt problem and after thousands of dollars of vet bills and no hope for my pooch I switcher her to raw (protein/fat) which any vet will first tell you that is what you have to eliminate to keep the dog alive. Ya right!!! thats all I feed her now and she's gained weight, doesn't throw up bile daily, new dog!!!!ROAR SAYS ME.FYI- raw bones are fine for animals DO NOT FEED COOKED/MICROWAVED BONE OF ANY TYPE.PAM+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>I have a Chihuahua...he eats salsa, but it has to be hot...and he eats >cherries off the tree...and, he eats lettuce with sour cream and salsa.>He'll eat chili, spaghetti, and all kinds of things...so, my BIL has told >me...>I think that table foods, even inorganic or processed is better than most >dry dog foods and especially canned.>Even though they are not good for us, and we're not supposed to feed the >animals with it...Think about it, I am sure that regulations are at least >the same for dog food if not more lenient than human foods...>And, I may be wrong on this...but, when I was little all we ever could >afford was table scraps for the "Heinz 57s" we drug home...and they lived >for years and years and years. Now days, there's all these diseases with >big long words that no one can spell so they call them by the >initials...and of coarse they come from bad nutrition or "from not being >immunized". (There we go again on the shots)>And, so....I feed my pooch and kitty's what ever I eat. I don't however >give them junk...and try to keep the kids and honey from it too...but, >sometimes that gets in there too.>Now, I have been told not to give a bird chocolate or sugar, as they will >wait for more and starve themselves too death...>But, this is just my 2 cents...>Angel>>_______________The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 --- Sill <thesills wrote: > Another common ingredient in dog foods (generic, > usually) is charcoal. > > Blessed Be! > MtMoonKitty And check out the ash content in the ingredients of canned cat food. A major source of feline ilness. I used to be a distributor of " Nutro " products in this area. ===== John Ybarra We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see. SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 --- Stacey <sungoddess94 wrote: > My hubby and I were comparing different ingredients > in > dog food and you know what the number 1 ingredient > in > *most* dog foods is? Corn meal. We're going to > start > feeding our woofer raw meats, too. I used to use a rather graphic depiction of how corn digests. Imagine having finished a meal with corn. Later, you have to move your bowels. If you are like most of us, you look afterward to see what it looks like. See all that corn?? Animals' digestive tracts are so much smaller/shorter than ours, and even WE cannot digest that much corn. Another thing is meat, and meat by product. By product is beaks, wings, feathers, feet, hooves, brains, eyes, etc. And beef doesn't digest all that well, especially meat fat. Just look at the rind left on a barbecue steak, crisp. Yet a chicken's fat almost all melts away, implying that it is more easily digestible. Now, I am not vouching for all of this, just stuff I picked up when I distributed pet feed. ===== John Ybarra We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see. SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 So what is the difference between omnivore and carnivore? both eat vegetable matter- I'm confused. Pam `````````````````````````````````````````````` >Dogs are not carnivores they are omnivores. > >Janet > - > Pee Tee > herbal remedies > Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:09 PM > Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets > > > People seem to think table scraps are bad for animals when in fact they >are > better than the store bought crap, even the stuff at vet offices is >junk. > Dogs have been tolerating that junk for years and now it's all starting >to > backfire just like us humans. Its' loaded w/ preservatives, colors and >phony > flavors that put a huge load on kidney and liver function which >eventually > is fatal. If a dog has skin problems you can pretty much bet that >animal is > consuming carbohydrates, potoatoe, rice, corn. Dogs are carnivores >there > intestinal system is 1/3 a humans and there stomach acids are super >strong, > thats how they can eat bone and poop white powder out of it, not to >mention > raw pork and whole fish. I heard broccolli is toxic to dogs as well, I > know who would think? > I've got a 7yr old tiny yorki poo that (had) a liver shunt problem and >after > thousands of dollars of vet bills and no hope for my pooch I switcher >her to > raw (protein/fat) which any vet will first tell you that is what you >have to > eliminate to keep the dog alive. Ya right!!! thats all I feed her now >and > she's gained weight, doesn't throw up bile daily, new dog!!!! > ROAR SAYS ME. > FYI- raw bones are fine for animals DO NOT FEED COOKED/MICROWAVED BONE >OF > ANY TYPE. > PAM > > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >I have a Chihuahua...he eats salsa, but it has to be hot...and he eats > >cherries off the tree...and, he eats lettuce with sour cream and salsa. > >He'll eat chili, spaghetti, and all kinds of things...so, my BIL has >told > >me... > >I think that table foods, even inorganic or processed is better than >most > >dry dog foods and especially canned. > >Even though they are not good for us, and we're not supposed to feed >the > >animals with it...Think about it, I am sure that regulations are at >least > >the same for dog food if not more lenient than human foods... > >And, I may be wrong on this...but, when I was little all we ever could > >afford was table scraps for the " Heinz 57s " we drug home...and they >lived > >for years and years and years. Now days, there's all these diseases >with > >big long words that no one can spell so they call them by the > >initials...and of coarse they come from bad nutrition or " from not >being > >immunized " . (There we go again on the shots) > >And, so....I feed my pooch and kitty's what ever I eat. I don't however > >give them junk...and try to keep the kids and honey from it too...but, > >sometimes that gets in there too. > >Now, I have been told not to give a bird chocolate or sugar, as they >will > >wait for more and starve themselves too death... > >But, this is just my 2 cents... > >Angel > > > > > > _______________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 I would suggest going to www.jlhweb.net/boxermap/onions.html Onions ARE toxic to dogs. And as for my "laguage"...you know...the "H" word? Oh so sorry...there is just something very wrong while sitting with my morning coffee and reading about PUS in the milk that i have put into it. Karly...who shall refrain from the "H" word from now on.Dragonhealer <dragonhealing wrote: Onions are not bad for dogs unless you give them too much and nothing or little else. Add sprouted rice to your new dog's food mix, it will help him/her adjust and gain a little weight. Use certified organic produce and meat in your recipes, just like you would for your human family ;-) Janet - Stacey herbal remedies Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:32 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets I've never heard of onions being bad for dogs, but Ihave heard that of chocolate. And I agree withwhoever said that most dog foods aren't good for dogs.My husband and I adopted a wolf hybrid from the poundand we've been doing LOTS of research on nutrition fordogs because she was so underweight. I don't thinkbananas are bad for dogs, but be careful, because itcould cause diarrhea. Also, dairy isn't good for them(however yogurt is).Stacey--- Anna <aljuarez wrote:> On some of the dog lists at , they have said> that chocolate will kill> dogs and onions are bad for them, too.> > - Anna> > > > At 11:17 AM 7/20/03 -0500, Angel wrote:> >Now, I have been told not to give a bird chocolate> or sugar, as they will> wait for more and starve themselves too death...> >But, this is just my 2 cents...> >Angel> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.http://search.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 I think that a carnivore only eats meat...and the other will eat both...I think Janet was trying to convey that dogs need veggies as well as meat... All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Pee Tee herbal remedies Monday, July 21, 2003 5:35 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets So what is the difference between omnivore and carnivore? both eat vegetable matter-I'm confused.Pam``````````````````````````````````````````````>Dogs are not carnivores they are omnivores.>>Janet> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 No hon, carnivores eat meat and omnivores eat meat and other foods (fruits, veggies, etc.) Janet - Pee Tee herbal remedies Monday, July 21, 2003 3:35 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets So what is the difference between omnivore and carnivore? both eat vegetable matter-I'm confused.Pam``````````````````````````````````````````````>Dogs are not carnivores they are omnivores.>>Janet> -> Pee Tee> herbal remedies > Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:09 PM> Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets>>> People seem to think table scraps are bad for animals when in fact they >are> better than the store bought crap, even the stuff at vet offices is >junk.> Dogs have been tolerating that junk for years and now it's all starting >to> backfire just like us humans. Its' loaded w/ preservatives, colors and >phony> flavors that put a huge load on kidney and liver function which >eventually> is fatal. If a dog has skin problems you can pretty much bet that >animal is> consuming carbohydrates, potoatoe, rice, corn. Dogs are carnivores >there> intestinal system is 1/3 a humans and there stomach acids are super >strong,> thats how they can eat bone and poop white powder out of it, not to >mention> raw pork and whole fish. I heard broccolli is toxic to dogs as well, I> know who would think?> I've got a 7yr old tiny yorki poo that (had) a liver shunt problem and >after> thousands of dollars of vet bills and no hope for my pooch I switcher >her to> raw (protein/fat) which any vet will first tell you that is what you >have to> eliminate to keep the dog alive. Ya right!!! thats all I feed her now >and> she's gained weight, doesn't throw up bile daily, new dog!!!!> ROAR SAYS ME.> FYI- raw bones are fine for animals DO NOT FEED COOKED/MICROWAVED BONE >OF> ANY TYPE.> PAM>> >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> >I have a Chihuahua...he eats salsa, but it has to be hot...and he eats> >cherries off the tree...and, he eats lettuce with sour cream and salsa.> >He'll eat chili, spaghetti, and all kinds of things...so, my BIL has >told> >me...> >I think that table foods, even inorganic or processed is better than >most> >dry dog foods and especially canned.> >Even though they are not good for us, and we're not supposed to feed >the> >animals with it...Think about it, I am sure that regulations are at >least> >the same for dog food if not more lenient than human foods...> >And, I may be wrong on this...but, when I was little all we ever could> >afford was table scraps for the "Heinz 57s" we drug home...and they >lived> >for years and years and years. Now days, there's all these diseases >with> >big long words that no one can spell so they call them by the> >initials...and of coarse they come from bad nutrition or "from not >being> >immunized". (There we go again on the shots)> >And, so....I feed my pooch and kitty's what ever I eat. I don't however> >give them junk...and try to keep the kids and honey from it too...but,> >sometimes that gets in there too.> >Now, I have been told not to give a bird chocolate or sugar, as they >will> >wait for more and starve themselves too death...> >But, this is just my 2 cents...> >Angel> >> >>> _______________> The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 OK, to clarify: A small amount of grated onion to flavor the food will not hurt the dog. Onions in larger quantities are said to sometimes cause anemia. BTW your link didn't work, but my sister is a veterinarian so I double checked with her. This is a health list. There will be things like pus discussed. For instance - "the vomit was dark brown and viscous with copious amounts of bile with an underlying odor of something metallic, like blood." And please don't be upset with me over the swearing. I am a moderator and felt I needed to stop that line of negativity before it hurt someone's feelings, that's all. Janet - karly herbal remedies Monday, July 21, 2003 3:47 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets I would suggest going to www.jlhweb.net/boxermap/onions.html Onions ARE toxic to dogs. And as for my "laguage"...you know...the "H" word? Oh so sorry...there is just something very wrong while sitting with my morning coffee and reading about PUS in the milk that i have put into it. Karly...who shall refrain from the "H" word from now on.Dragonhealer <dragonhealing wrote: Onions are not bad for dogs unless you give them too much and nothing or little else. Add sprouted rice to your new dog's food mix, it will help him/her adjust and gain a little weight. Use certified organic produce and meat in your recipes, just like you would for your human family ;-) Janet - Stacey herbal remedies Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:32 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: pet diets I've never heard of onions being bad for dogs, but Ihave heard that of chocolate. And I agree withwhoever said that most dog foods aren't good for dogs.My husband and I adopted a wolf hybrid from the poundand we've been doing LOTS of research on nutrition fordogs because she was so underweight. I don't thinkbananas are bad for dogs, but be careful, because itcould cause diarrhea. Also, dairy isn't good for them(however yogurt is).Stacey--- Anna <aljuarez wrote:> On some of the dog lists at , they have said> that chocolate will kill> dogs and onions are bad for them, too.> > - Anna> > > > At 11:17 AM 7/20/03 -0500, Angel wrote:> >Now, I have been told not to give a bird chocolate> or sugar, as they will> wait for more and starve themselves too death...> >But, this is just my 2 cents...> >Angel> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.http://search.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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