Guest guest Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 This makes me ill and sad. ~A LIFE WITH BIG BROTHER Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections Orwellian nightmare for 'persecuted' couple as armed guards ensure infant's vaccination Posted: June 18, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Diana Lynne © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com What was supposed to be a joyous occasion – the birth of their first child – turned out to be an Orwellian nightmare for a young Colorado couple whose newborn was vaccinated for hepatitis B over their religious and philosophical objections, while armed guards stood by to prevent them from intervening. " It makes me feel like the country I live in is no better than communist China or the old Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, and that's a very sobering and scary outlook, " the father, who does not want to be named, told WorldNetDaily. The saga of " Baby M, " as the family calls her to protect her privacy, started with an emergency Caesarean section at St. Mary's Hospital in in Grand Junction, Colo., on April 2. The couple, who has no medical insurance, had attempted to home birth but wound up rushing to the emergency room after the baby's position went transverse. " Baby M " was born without complication. But as the new parents were basking in the afterglow of the birth, a neonatal doctor informed them a vaccination was in order for the baby and pressured the couple to sign a consent form. " He told me the initial screening test [on the mother] had come back positive for hepatitis B. I told him that was impossible, " said the father. " And he said, 'Well, I didn't think it was very likely either so I had them run it again and I'll probably get those test results back soon. If those test results come back positive again, then I'm going to have to vaccinate the baby.' " According to the couple's personal physician, the screening test gives a false-positive 40 to 60 percent of the time. A call for comment from the neonatal physician was not returned. After the second test also came back positive, the doctor insisted the couple sign the consent form. Citing text he referenced in a medical guide, he informed the parents that the baby must be vaccinated within 12 hours of birth, if the mother has hepatitis B. Said the father: " We said that we weren't going to authorize him to do so because we did not believe she had hepatitis B and that we believe vaccinations would not be good for the baby even if she did, based upon our religious convictions and also medical evidence. " While not eschewing modern medicine, the couple prefers to avoid it when possible and has a strong conviction against vaccinations. " We believe in God, and that God has created us in his image. In being created in God's image, we are given his perfect immune system. We are bestowed with His gift, the immune system. We believe it is sacrilegious and a violation of our sacred religious beliefs to violate what God has given us by showing a lack of faith in God. Immunizations are a lack of faith in God and His protection, the immune system, " the father maintains. Vaccination danger The couple had also done extensive research into the potential serious dangers of vaccinations. WorldNetDaily reported last week that various studies indicate there is epidemiological evidence of a link between neurodevelopmental disorders and mercury exposure from childhood vaccines. Many medical experts suspect vaccines may be behind a growing epidemic of autism in American children. According to data provided by the U.S. Department of Education, most states experienced a doubling of the rate of children diagnosed with full-syndrome autism over the past few years. " U.S. infants are exposed to mercury levels from their childhood- immunization schedule that far exceed the EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] and FDA [Food and Drug Administration]-established maximum permissible levels for the daily oral ingestion of methyl mercury, " wrote Dr. Mark Geier, president of the Genetic Centers of America, in a recently published study in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. According to Geier, the EPA limit is 0.1 micrograms of mercury per kilogram body weight per day. " It doesn't take a genius to do the calculations when on their day of birth children are given the hepatitis B vaccine, which is 12.5 micrograms of mercury, " Geier told Insight magazine. " The average newborn weighs between six and seven pounds, so they would be allowed 0.3 micrograms of mercury – but in this one shot they are getting 12.5 micrograms. That's 39 times more than allowed by law. " According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 12,000 infants are infected with hepatitis B every year by their mother during birth. Infants and children who become infected with hepatitis B are at the highest risk of developing life-long infection, which often leads to death from liver disease and liver cancer. Approximately 25 percent of children who become infected with life- long hepatitis are expected to die of a related disease as adults. The National Network for Immunization Information, or NNii, a resource for parents recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics, or AAP, maintains the vaccine is " safe. " NNii addresses the risk of mercury in the vaccine in a fact sheet posted on its website. It explains that Thimerosal, a derivative of mercury, has been used in " small amounts " as a preservative in some vaccine and states " there is no evidence that any child has been harmed by exposure to the amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines. " " In addition, the risk of disease from not immunizing a child is greater than the risk of exposure to low levels of mercury in Thimerosal-containing vaccines, " the fact sheet states, but then adds the U.S. Public Health Service and the AAP recommended reducing or eliminating the use of Thimerosal-containing vaccines " to make safe vaccines even safer. " NNii states " infants are at high risk for hepatitis B infection if their mothers are infected with the virus " and recommends these infants be given the hepatitis B vaccine " within 12 hours of birth. " NNii adds that most children who become infected with hepatitis B are born to mothers who are not infected with hepatitis B, and as a result, further recommends all children be vaccinated. The AAP recommends the first dose of the hepatitis B vaccine be administered to infants born to infected mothers " before they leave the hospital. " 'Emergency' hearing Faced with opposition from the parents over the vaccination of " Baby M, " the doctor called in hospital social service worker Joni Vohs, who reportedly threatened the parents with the loss of custody of their baby if they did not comply with the vaccination schedule. Next, hospital administrators called in attorneys who persuaded Chief District Court Judge Charles Buss to hold an emergency, after-hours hearing at the hospital on the basis that the baby's life would be in danger if she was not vaccinated within hours. The family was given 15 minutes' notice of the hearing and was unable to secure competent legal help in time. As the father describes it, he went up against a 10-person panel of attorneys, social workers, hospital administrators and the doctor who argued for the immediate vaccination. The father pleaded for second opinions. He also pleaded for the judge to wait for the results of a more confirmatory test which were scheduled to arrive in 16 hours. During the four-hour hearing, the father cited the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and Colorado revised statute, which states there are religious, medical and philosophical exemptions to medical treatment. Rather than share the 19-year-old's passion for U.S. constitutional history, the lawyers reportedly mocked him. " When I was reading, the lawyers were whispering back and forth almost laughing at me, " the father told WorldNetDaily. " In retrospect, reminding them of the Constitution hurt me more than it helped. " The judge ruled the baby should be vaccinated immediately and also ordered her put into protective custody with the Mesa County Department of Human Services, which the parents were told meant social-service agents had the ability to intervene in the medical treatment of the baby at any time and could take physical custody of the baby if deemed necessary to " protect the child's best interests. " A call for comment from Buss was referred to judicial administrator Judy Vanderleest. Vanderleest told WorldNetDaily the judge would not comment on the case. She also said the emergency, after-hours hearing held at the hospital was the first such hearing held that she could remember. Matt Weber, an attorney who represented St. Mary's Hospital told WorldNetDaily he was " not authorized to speak on behalf of the hospital on this case. " With armed guards lining the ICU, the first of three ordered vaccinations was administered to the baby. According to the family's physician, the baby immediately exhibited the typical side effects of the vaccine. A day later, the third hepatitis B screening on the mom came back negative. By the time the second shot was due to be administered, the father had succeeded in persuading county social worker Dan Overmeyer the vaccination posed more risk than good for the baby's health. Overmeyer opted to not administer any more shots and recommended the release of " Baby M " from protective custody. Overmeyer was unavailable for comment. While the baby appears to be doing fairly well, the parents fear the damage is already done, and can only wait and wonder when the adverse effects of the vaccine will appear. " Most of the doctors that I've talked to from around the country that know about vaccinations have said that it takes months and sometimes years for things to show up, " the father told WorldNetDaily. " The scary thing is that there are babies that just die out of the blue supposedly for no reason. ... There's a lot of evidence that these SIDS [sudden Infant Death Syndrome] victims are actually a result of vaccination. " The Institute of Medicine, a medical research organization that provides health information to the government, released a report last March that concluded all available evidence shows no link between vaccines and unexplained infant deaths. Religious persecution? Having recently graduated from college with an associate's degree in telecommunications engineering, the father has now launched a campaign to alert expecting parents about his family's ordeal. He posted their story online with a link to an article outlining the research behind the dangers of vaccinations. " I want [parents] to know that their rights are no longer being upheld by our government, " he said. " If people don't speak out and voice their disapproval and talk to their congressman and make a big deal out of things like this then we will find ourselves very soon in a sort of police state where we have no individual freedoms and the government tells us what to do, what not to do and basically raises our children for us. " The website includes a link for readers to make contributions to a legal defense fund. The family hopes to raise sufficient funds to sue the hospital. They feel both the hospital staff and the judge persecuted them for their religious conviction against vaccinations. " The doctor and hospital thought we would be easy targets as we were young and penniless. They do not like people who try to avoid the system and they don't like anyone to question whether or not their practices are truly in the best interests of the patient, " the father said. " Our aim in legal action would be to get a precedent that protects families from this ever happening again. " Kim Williams, the director of marketing at St. Mary's Hospital declined to discuss the case, citing the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, which outlines patient- confidentiality rules. Social worker Joni Vohs adamantly denied the hospital would persecute anyone over their religious beliefs or discriminate against them because of a lack of insurance. " St. Mary's is a Catholic hospital. We treat everybody regardless of their ability to pay. It's a very compassionate and caring place. " After stressing she was bound by confidentiality rules not to discuss the details, Vohs said the " Baby M " case triggered her recollection of another case in which a 13-year-old girl died a " very slow death " because the family belonged to a church that " believed in prayers over medical treatment " and failed to seek treatment for her until she was almost dead. " Having worked in child protection for 25 years, to allow a child to suffer or die a horrible death is child abuse, " Vohs told WorldNetDaily. Colorado legislators passed a law as a result of that case which allows the court to step in and override parents' religious beliefs in the event of a medical emergency. Vohs said this law was applied to the " Baby M " case. " The hospital doesn't do anything on a whim. There's a lot of steps that need to be taken. There was a legal hearing ... and the law was followed, " she said. She also added that the family's story posted online " stretches and alters " the truth in the case. " Baby M's " father argues there was no emergency and emphasizes that had the staff simply waited the 16 hours for the third, more confirmatory test of the mother's blood to come back negative, the entire " nightmare " could have been avoided. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 All newborn babies in America are "required" to have a Hep B vaccine within 12 hours of birth and boostered on a schedule throughout their first years. And this is not the only one. They get polio, mumps, measels, chicken pox, RSV, and on and on.... They just added a new one this year I think. The social services tried to take my Benjamin from me when he was born as well so I know how the parents of the child in the article feel. Never did get my dad to tell me what exactly he said to the social worker. Whatever is was she reversed her gears so fast we could smell the oil burning hehehehe! Janet - ErinJC23 herbal remedies Friday, July 18, 2003 8:56 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections If you have a year to get the vaccine (as the doctors said it in the article) why were they in such a hurry then?Erin Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hello all, I'm new to this group and a friend of Doc's and wanted to add something to this subject. There are forms you can get, through whatever government entity governs it in your state, which you fill out and file that has to do with your religious beliefs regarding shots and immunization. It's whatever group regulates school immunizations etc. So there is a way around this " law " . My personal comments: Wow... unbelievable how many ways the government can find to violate ones rights, yeesh! Zeb - earthmothergypsy <earthmothergypsy <herbal remedies > Saturday, July 19, 2003 3:28 PM [herbal remedies] Re: Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections > I second that! > ~A > > " > Over my dead body " > > Becky > > > > All newborn babies in America are " required " to have a Hep B > vaccine within 12 hours of birth and boostered on a schedule > throughout their first years > > > > > > > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hello Yourself, Would you (or anyone else on here) happen to know what that form is called. I am sure they won't offer it up when the time comes... Thanks, Angel All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Zeb Sims herbal remedies Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:22 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections Hello all, I'm new to this group and a friend of Doc's and wanted to add somethingto this subject. There are forms you can get, through whatever governmententity governs it in your state, which you fill out and file that has to dowith your religious beliefs regarding shots and immunization. It's whatevergroup regulates school immunizations etc. So there is a way around this"law". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 HI Angel check this link out. http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/legally_avoid_shots.htm Pam _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Angel Darling... I just found the form (I'm in charge of them and work for a private school in the boonies). They are called "School Immunization Refusal Form" and the other form you can ask for prior to any type of immunization (not just for school) is called "Religious Exemption From Immunization". It's attainable through the department of health (I'm told by the parent who introduced t to me that she had to go to the department directly) and it's pretty cool. You just have to do footwork to get it. There are several religious bodies that don't believe in shots etc. and the way has been paved already but I'm sure as you mentioned so kindly that they will try to drag you through the mud to get it. Hope this helps. Each individual state has their own form and so far Floridians have had the easiest time of it that I know of. Zeb - Anjeweleyes herbal remedies Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:09 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections Hello Yourself, Would you (or anyone else on here) happen to know what that form is called. I am sure they won't offer it up when the time comes... Thanks, Angel All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Zeb Sims herbal remedies Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:22 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections Hello all, I'm new to this group and a friend of Doc's and wanted to add somethingto this subject. There are forms you can get, through whatever governmententity governs it in your state, which you fill out and file that has to dowith your religious beliefs regarding shots and immunization. It's whatevergroup regulates school immunizations etc. So there is a way around this"law". Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 I also lie if we end up in the ER. I'm not about to give them another reason to patronize me. Dragonhealer [dragonhealing] Monday, July 21, 2003 1:16 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections No, they will try to slip them the shots though. When I took Ben in 2 weeks ago for a deep cut on his finger, they asked and I said yes just to avoid that. Sometimes it is easier dance out of the trap then bulldoze through... Janet - Anjeweleyes herbal remedies Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:20 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections You know, when ever you take your child to the ER for just about anything, one of the first questions is the child caught up on immunizations... I used to think they were ruling out some disease that these things are supposed to prevent, but now I am wondering if they are ruling out a "back fire" if you will, of the immunizations... Angel All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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