Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 I think what it depends on why a person has an autoimmune prob. If you follow MD's then you should kill your immune system so you can live. If you follow ND you think the body is messed up and this is how it's reacting. DOn has sain that the major thing in his arthritis was dairy products. Becky Had not heard that one... let me check into that.. or Doc, Don, you reading this??? Suzi SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 No doctor medical/rhuematologist/inertnal medicine nor general practitioner has told me that Echinacea is bad for RA,(most don't know what the big E is) only people at healthfood stores. I don't recall Articles i have read on RA from a number of sources on the internet having claimed that about the echinacea, I think just health food people. My Rhuematologist and many articles on net says that the autoimune system is over-reacting and enstead of clearing out dead protien cells it can't tell the difference from live and dead cells and trying to destroy live protien cells as well as dead ones. Several of the articles on RA say not to eat members of the niteshade family of plants like white potatoes, peppers, tomatoes and I forget what others. my body tells me not to eat hamburger, red meats, lunch meats and sausages, milk/dairy, too much tea, sugar, and anything greasy or fatty, so I try to pass over those, but I sure hate to give up tomatoes, peppers and salsa etc! also it seems that my system revolts against other protien foods like beans and cheese. Giving up cheese because of high cholesterol and the dairy problem this past few months has been my greatest test. What I am trying to do is, by watching my body's reaction to various foods and trying to get my system cleaned out with proper eating habits and using the plants our Creator has placed on earth that I will get the system turned around and beat this RA crap. That is one reason I want to know if the big E is really bad for RA people as I know it is well established as a great curer of ills. Appreciate to learn about it. I thought of trying it anyway since I have it on hand but sure don't want another flare-up! Thanks to all again, and will hope to learn more. Lee reply to: I think what it depends on why a person has an autoimmune prob. If you follow MD's then you should kill your immune system so you can live. If you follow ND you think the body is messed up and this is how it's reacting. DOn has sain that the major thing in his arthritis was dairy products. Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 Okay Leona, Sounds like you are heading in the right direction. The Nightshade diet is a good one to follow. NO potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, or peppers. Do this for at least a month or so and then slowly, ever so slowly, begin adding them back in one at a time. But very slowly. This will let you know if you can still eat them or if you need to stay away from the completely. Do stay away from dairy, meats, processed foods, greasy foods, fast foods, cooked foods (lightly steamed okay), grains, coffee, black and green teas (herbal teas okay). Do eat lots of fresh fruits (go easy on the citrus) and vegetables. Easy on the root veggies though. Lots of fresh fruit juices and vegetable juices will do your body wonders. Do you have a juicer? Also drink plenty of distilled then filtered water or really well filtered water with fresh lemon juice added (fresh squeeze it yourself fresh type). Also taking a teaspoon of organic apple cider vinegar and a teaspoon of raw organic honey three times per day will help to re-alkalinize your system and begin to dissolve the deposits and remove the toxins that are causing your particular dis-ease. Course, you could also make up a good batch of Panther Piss (formula in the files) and use this instead. The PP will do the same as the vinegar and honey but will provide your body with much needed potassium, which you won't get with the honey. Go easy on salt and cut out the sugars from your diet. Make sure that you get plenty of sun, dry brushing your skin daily is of great benefit. This will help to stimulate the lymph system. Plenty of fresh air with deep breathing. Get some quality exercise, if it is only walking that is a great start. Do try to walk as much as 3 to 5 miles per day. Begin to work out a stretching regimen so that you begin to loosen up the joints and stretch the tendons, ligaments and muscles. Start slowly though so as not to injure yourself. You are trying to heal here not injure. ;-) Hot and cold therapy on the joints or muscles, wherever it hurts, will help much. Also ACV applied as a wet poultice warm on the area too. Cayenne in tincture, ointment, salve, or infused in oil and rubbed on will help to bring blood to the area. I know, this all sounds like a lot of work and expense. But it needn't be. Get creative and begin by using what you do have. When you can afford it then check out other options. Then too, anything you need is only two people away. So check out the human resources (friends, family, etc) who might be able to supply you with some of what you need and barter with 'em. The knowledge is free! Your health, your life come at a cost!!!! We are here to help you in any way we can. The work is up to you, however. The first step is always the hardest. So dive right in and let us know how it goes and if you need more assistance, advice, consoling, direction, or just want to say "I feel great!" then we are only an email away. HTH, Don Quai PS - you can get into the Echinecea after you have cleared up the RA. ---- herbal remedies 09. July 2003 07:18:54 AM herbal remedies Re: [herbal remedies] Suzi--About Echinacea No doctor medical/rhuematologist/inertnal medicine norgeneral practitioner has told me that Echinacea is bad forRA,(most don't know what the big E is) only people athealthfood stores. I don't recall Articles i have read on RAfrom a number of sources on the internet having claimed thatabout the echinacea, I think just health food people. MyRhuematologist and many articles on net says that theautoimune system is over-reacting and enstead of clearingout dead protien cells it can't tell the difference fromlive and dead cells and trying to destroy live protien cellsas well as dead ones. Several of the articles on RA say notto eat members of the niteshade family of plants like whitepotatoes, peppers, tomatoes and I forget what others. my body tells me not to eat hamburger, red meats, lunchmeats and sausages, milk/dairy, too much tea, sugar, andanything greasy or fatty, so I try to pass over those, but Isure hate to give up tomatoes, peppers and salsa etc! alsoit seems that my system revolts against other protien foodslike beans and cheese. Giving up cheese because of highcholesterol and the dairy problem this past few months hasbeen my greatest test.What I am trying to do is, by watching my body's reaction tovarious foods and trying to get my system cleaned out withproper eating habits and using the plants our Creator hasplaced on earth that I will get the system turned around andbeat this RA crap. That is one reason I want to know if thebig E is really bad for RA people as I know it is wellestablished as a great curer of ills. Appreciate to learnabout it. I thought of trying it anyway since I have it onhand but sure don't want another flare-up! Thanks to allagain, and will hope to learn more.Leereply to:I think what it depends on why a person has an autoimmuneprob. If you follow MD's then you should kill your immunesystem so you can live. If you follow ND you think the bodyis messed up and this is how it's reacting. DOn has sainthat the major thing in his arthritis was dairy products.BeckyFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 Dear Leona, The health food store people who gave you that advice are full of horse puckey. The Panther Piss remedy should go a long ways in helping to handle the RA. You should also be on the Lemon Egg formula. Not only does the echinacea fire up the immune system, but it will also help to balance it in the long run. The Astragalus in the Total Nutrition Formula will also help in this area and you should be on that as well. Remember to eat only 100% certified organic. Drink lots of distilled water. Exercise for at least a half an hour a day. Hot and Cold showers round off my advice to you. Much love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Leona Henderson herbal remedies Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:12 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Suzi--About Echinacea Suzi, i have tinctured some Echinacea a few years back, buthaven't taken any as I have read and several people athealth food stores have told me that since it stimulates theimune system it would not be good for person with RhuematoidArthritis as the imune system is overworking as it is. Anyinformation on that? Appreciate.Love, Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 If your immune system is not working right i.e. allergies and asthma, then I would say you need to fix that first. It is NOT the herb that hurt you it is your own toxic body. Janet - SxyWhiteTigeress herbal remedies Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:43 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Suzi--About Echinacea In a message dated 7/15/03 6:39:29 PM Central Daylight Time, Dr.IanShillington writes: Poppycock! Hornswaggle! Balderdash!!! Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Um no.. that is not poppycock hornswaggle and balderdash!! lolI have asthma and im alergic to this.. and was specifically told by my doctor that most people with asthma ARE alergic to Echinacea. At any rate.. Its something people should *THINK* about. Because if you are alergic to this, it WILL make you very sick.. I know from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!.. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 --- Suzanne <suziesgoats wrote: > Mary, > This was a conversation that started before you > signed on... we had a person sign up make a > statement and then when someone disagreed - she left > instead of sticking around to discuss the statement > and it's validity...Most, if not all " herb " > reactions are not from being allergic but from > something else much deeper causing the problem to > begin with.. > Suzi I agree. My soon-to-be-daughter-in-law is allergic to just about everything, and has asthma as well. She has a negative reaction whenever she uses echinacia (sp?). I have suggested a cleanse for her, for her allergies in general, the Total Tonic and the Panther Piss. She has a cleansing program she was given by her mother that she is willing to do, similar to ones I have seen here. I believe that once her system is " re-booted " from the cleanse, her allergies will decrease dramatically, including her asthma and reactions to echinacia. ===== John Ybarra We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see. SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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