Mandatory health insurance debate begins

June 12, 2003

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June 12, 2003

The line that got me was comparing mandatory health insurance to

mandatory auto insurance. Mandatory auto is LIABILITY only (covering

damage caused to others).. what other person am I covering by being

forced to have health insurance for myself? Am I paying if they catch

a cold from me? I'm all for helping people who can't afford insurance

or medical treatment to get it if they want it, but forcing people

who can afford it but don't want it is just nuts. They are

responsible enough to make their own decisions. Is the government

going to declare itself legal guardian over all of us since we are

obivously incapable of making them ourselves.

Jaime

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June 12, 2003

I am thinking that they are wanting health insurance for liability also. Liability for hospitals and doctors that don't get paid...

Don't hit me now, but I know people that will go to the doctor for pain meds like for abscessed teeth and never go back to get them fixed or pay the doctor bill.

Maybe that's part of these idiots line of thinking...

It still ain't right, though.

Angel

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Don Quai

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Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:03 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Mandatory health insurance debate begins

that is their plan, yes.

Don Quai

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wyverndance

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Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:59 PM

[herbal remedies] Re: Mandatory health insurance debate begins

The line that got me was comparing mandatory health insurance to mandatory auto insurance. Mandatory auto is LIABILITY only (covering damage caused to others).. what other person am I covering by being forced to have health insurance for myself? Am I paying if they catch a cold from me? I'm all for helping people who can't afford insurance or medical treatment to get it if they want it, but forcing people who can afford it but don't want it is just nuts.

June 12, 2003

I have a phobia about allopathic medicine and the mere thought of

walking through a clinic door to see an MD sends chills down my

spine. So...my employer paid health insurance is unused while I pay

out of pocket for holistic health care practioners. Which is OK: I'd

rather fork over the money than be destroyed for free by allopathic

medicine.

I work for a state government which is nearly $5 billion dollars in

the red. and one place they are looking at cutting costs is making

employees pay more for their health insurance premiums, co-pays etc.

As a non-user of the system, and a believer that nearly everyone else

abuses the system for petty things like runny noses, I'm not a happy

camper. The harm allopathic medicine does is another issue on top of

all that.

While discussing this issue at work, and my desire to " opt out " of

any health insurance scheme, it came up that my health care beliefs

are considered so far beyond the pale as to be residing somewhere to

the west of a far and distant galaxy. Basically, they think I am nuts

to choose holistic methods over allopathic medicine. They ask me who

will pay when I need expensive cancer treatments--I tell them I will

have to pay because I'm sure not surrendering to chemo and radiation

and that is all the insurance will cover. They ask me who will pay

for a broken leg---I tell them the $500 the employer pays for my

premium, set aside into a health care escrow account, would ably pay

for any freak accidents. So give me the cost of my premiums in my

paycheck and I'll take care of my own health.

But then the problem is this: health insurance only works if X number

of healthy people pay in and don't use it so the unhealthy ones can

spend more than they contribute. And from a humanitarian standpoint,

I'm not adverse to that---but I am adverse to being forced to pay

into a allopathic only health care insurance system that I think does

more harm than good. Plus, people refuse to take care of themselves

and eat right etc...and if they choose to live in a way that makes

them sick, I feel no humanitarian duty to take care of their self

induced illness--especially when they continue on in the same way and

refuse to make changes that will keep them healthy.

Personally, I think if health insurance went entirely away, people

would be encouraged to stay healthier. And prices would come down

because no one is going to pay today's going rate. And, holistic

practioners could operate on a level playing field since everyone

would be paying for their own care at the provider of their choice.

June 12, 2003

I believe, at least I know in my case, that you may opt out of the medical benefit and receive some reimbursement for not participating in their health care plan. Since the actual benefit is part of my overall compensation, I received 60% of the cost they did not have to payout for my participation. I, of course had to claim the additional income but it more than balanced out.

Might be something to talk to Human Services about.

Julia

I have a phobia about allopathic medicine and the mere thought of walking through a clinic door to see an MD sends chills down my spine. So...my employer paid health insurance is unused while I pay out of pocket for holistic health care practioners.