Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 John, Flax seed? You put that in a tea? Ground flax seed should never be heated as the oils go rancid and cause oxidation in the body. I have no clue what agrimony and meadowsweet are but I will go and look them up! Sounds like one powerful blend! How long have you been drinking it and what changes have you noticed? ILANA xoxo John Ybarra wrote: --- John Ybarra <deuteronomy2929 wrote: > --- Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: > > What else is in your tea? And how did you make > the > > connection between > > nettle and your villi? > > > > ILANA xoxo > > I'll post a list of it when I get home tonite. I > came > across nettle for my intestines due to an article > from > my herbalist that she got from a book by Susan Weed > when she (my herbalist) first started researching my > condition. > > John Here's a list of what is in the tea I have blended for me by our herbalist................... Nettle Alfafa Agrimony Meadowsweet Lady's Mantle Dandelion Root Peppermint Flax Seed Marshmallow Root I use it as an infusion rather than as a normal tea, and drink 3 and 4 cups a day The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 I also read that the temperature of your body will make it.(flax seed oil),and Borage oil go rancid too,and that you need to take vitamin e with it. Karly --- Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: > John, > Flax seed? You put that in a tea? Ground flax seed > should never be > heated as the oils go rancid and cause oxidation in > the body. > > I have no clue what agrimony and meadowsweet are but > I will go and look > them up! Sounds like one powerful blend! How long > have you been drinking > it and what changes have you noticed? > > ILANA xoxo > > John Ybarra wrote: > > > --- John Ybarra <deuteronomy2929 wrote: > > > --- Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: > > > > What else is in your tea? And how did you > make > > > the > > > > connection between > > > > nettle and your villi? > > > > > > > > ILANA xoxo > > > > > > I'll post a list of it when I get home tonite. I > > > came > > > across nettle for my intestines due to an > article > > > from > > > my herbalist that she got from a book by Susan > Weed > > > when she (my herbalist) first started > researching my > > > condition. > > > > > > John > > > > Here's a list of what is in the tea I have blended > for > > me by our herbalist................... > > > > Nettle > > Alfafa > > Agrimony > > Meadowsweet > > Lady's Mantle > > Dandelion Root > > Peppermint > > Flax Seed > > Marshmallow Root > > > > I use it as an infusion rather than as a normal > tea, > > and drink 3 and 4 cups a day > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Karly, Yeah, you should take E with it to counteract the oxidation, but I think there's less chance of problems if you eat it freshly ground and not heat it. ILANA xoxo karly wrote: I also read that the temperature of your body will make it.(flax seed oil),and Borage oil go rancid too,and that you need to take vitamin e with it. Karly --- Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: > John, > Flax seed? You put that in a tea? Ground flax seed > should never be > heated as the oils go rancid and cause oxidation in > the body. > > I have no clue what agrimony and meadowsweet are but > I will go and look > them up! Sounds like one powerful blend! How long > have you been drinking > it and what changes have you noticed? > > ILANA xoxo > > John Ybarra wrote: > > > --- John Ybarra <deuteronomy2929 wrote: > > > --- Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: > > > > What else is in your tea? And how did you > make > > > the > > > > connection between > > > > nettle and your villi? > > > > > > > > ILANA xoxo > > > > > > I'll post a list of it when I get home tonite. I > > > came > > > across nettle for my intestines due to an > article > > > from > > > my herbalist that she got from a book by Susan > Weed > > > when she (my herbalist) first started > researching my > > > condition. > > > > > > John > > > > Here's a list of what is in the tea I have blended > for > > me by our herbalist................... > > > > Nettle > > Alfafa > > Agrimony > > Meadowsweet > > Lady's Mantle > > Dandelion Root > > Peppermint > > Flax Seed > > Marshmallow Root > > > > I use it as an infusion rather than as a normal > tea, > > and drink 3 and 4 cups a day > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 John, No question! It sounds like a great blend! The only one I question is the flax seed, and I've already told you the reason. Herbs take a good three to six months to really have a permanent and positive effect on you, but that's not to say that you won't start noticing changes right away. At the very least your body is getting all sorts of easily-assimilable nutrients that it didn't have access to before, and that will go a long way toward correcting imbalances. Just the fact that your bowel movements are changing for the better is a HUGE step! I'm glad to hear it's working for you and yes, you will find your answers in the nutritional and herbal approaches rather than in drugs. Drugs are only there to mask symptoms, not to really deal with the problems. But you know this already! ILANA xoxo John Ybarra wrote: --- Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: > John, > Flax seed? You put that in a tea? Ground flax seed > should never be > heated as the oils go rancid and cause oxidation in > the body. > > I have no clue what agrimony and meadowsweet are but > I will go and look > them up! Sounds like one powerful blend! How long > have you been drinking > it and what changes have you noticed? > > ILANA xoxo I didn't know that about flax seed. It was recommened as a part of the liver detox regimen, in tea form. I've been drinking the infusion for about a week now, and have noticed small changes. My gas is smellier, I assume due to the various detox's in the mix. My bowel movements have been less frequent and of more substance, rather than the frequent "salad shooters" that I have been living with for years. My energy level has increased, at least I think. I understand that it is probably too soon to see a real difference, that a lot of what I see may very well be "placebo" effect, but even placebo relief is relief. And I honestly believe that once I get the right blend, it will be more beneficial than pharmaceuticals. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 John, Seed oil is very volatile and goes rancid really quickly. Flax and hemp seed are especially bad. So is wheat germ oil (an excellent source of Vitamin E, btw). When you buy them from the health food store they should ALWAYS be first cold pressed and kept in the fridge. If you find them on the shelf, do not buy. Those are rancid oils. Also, from the moment you open the bottle it can only sit for three weeks. Exposure to air makes it start to go. After three weeks throw it out (so buy the really small bottles so there's no waste). As for flax seed, it can sit for a while if it's not ground. But those seeds are really high in oil (try squishing one with a mortar and pestle and you'll see), enough that they go bad if they are warmed. I've never seen a tea with flax seed. It's a craze, you know. People have hopped on the fad train and now there's flax in EVERYTHING. It sells so it's put in food. But it's a food that must be respected. It's powerful and very good for you but you have to respect its limitations. As for cooking oil, you should only be using first cold-pressed olive oil anyways (or extra virgin - means the same thing), organic if possible or butter. Nothing else. And those oils should not be heated until they bubble or smoke. When they are heated like that they go bad and do damage in your body. As for olives, it's a different story. There is much less oil there so you don't have to worry unless you consume them by the barrelful, and if you are doing that you need to find out WHY you have that inclination And commercial olives are so full of other junk anyways that the last thing you need to worry about is rancid oils. Does that answer your questions? ILANA xoxo Katherine Huether wrote: I never heard of not making a tea out of flaxseeds. I have seen a lot of tea blends with it in it... is it possible that the amount of oil in the flaxseeds is negligible enough that it won't really harm your body? Using that same logic, should I not eat cooked olives? Or cooked sesame seeds? I know that olive olive goes rancid if it gets too hot. Just curious. John Ybarra <deuteronomy2929 wrote: --- Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: > John, > Flax seed? You put that in a tea? Ground flax seed > should never be > heated as the oils go rancid and cause oxidation in > the body. > > I have no clue what agrimony and meadowsweet are but > I will go and look > them up! Sounds like one powerful blend! How long > have you been drinking > it and what changes have you noticed? > > ILANA xoxo I didn't know that about flax seed. It was recommened as a part of the liver detox regimen, in tea form. I've been drinking the infusion for about a week now, and have noticed small changes. My gas is smellier, I assume due to the various detox's in the mix. My bowel movements have been less frequent and of more substance, rather than the frequent "salad shooters" that I have been living with for years. My energy level has increased, at least I think. I understand that it is probably too soon to see a real difference, that a lot of what I see may very well be "placebo" effect, but even placebo relief is relief. And I honestly believe that once I get the right blend, it will be more beneficial than pharmaceuticals. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Wait, are you talking about the raw seeds and wheat germ? Or just the oil? I eat both flax seeds and wheat germ... I include the flax seeds in some tea blends. I am sorry! I am just confused! I don't even bother with flax seed oil because I know that goes bad quickly. What about evening primrose?Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: John,Seed oil is very volatile and goes rancid really quickly. Flax and hemp seed are especially bad. So is wheat germ oil (an excellent source of Vitamin E, btw). When you buy them from the health food store they should ALWAYS be first cold pressed and kept in the fridge. If you find them on the shelf, do not buy. Those are rancid oils. Also, from the moment you open the bottle it can only sit for three weeks. Exposure to air makes it start to go. After three weeks throw it out (so buy the really small bottles so there's no waste).As for flax seed, it can sit for a while if it's not ground. But those seeds are really high in oil (try squishing one with a mortar and pestle and you'll see), enough that they go bad if they are warmed. I've never seen a tea with flax seed. It's a craze, you know. People have hopped on the fad train and now there's flax in EVERYTHING. It sells so it's put in food. But it's a food that must be respected. It's powerful and very good for you but you have to respect its limitations.As for cooking oil, you should only be using first cold-pressed olive oil anyways (or extra virgin - means the same thing), organic if possible or butter. Nothing else. And those oils should not be heated until they bubble or smoke. When they are heated like that they go bad and do damage in your body.As for olives, it's a different story. There is much less oil there so you don't have to worry unless you consume them by the barrelful, and if you are doing that you need to find out WHY you have that inclination And commercial olives are so full of other junk anyways that the last thing you need to worry about is rancid oils.Does that answer your questions?ILANA xoxoKatherine Huether wrote:> I never heard of not making a tea out of flaxseeds. I have seen a lot > of tea blends with it in it... is it possible that the amount of oil > in the flaxseeds is negligible enough that it won't really harm your > body? Using that same logic, should I not eat cooked olives? Or cooked > sesame seeds? I know that olive olive goes rancid if it gets too hot. > Just curious.>> John Ybarra wrote:>> --- Ilana Grostern wrote:> > John,> > Flax seed? You put that in a tea? Ground flax seed> > should never be> > heated as the oils go rancid and cause oxidation in> > the body.> >> > I have no clue what agrimony and meadowsweet are but> > I will go and look> > them up! Sounds like one powerful blend! How long> > have you been drinking> > it and what changes have you noticed?> >> > ILANA xoxo>> I didn't know that about flax seed. It was recommened> as a part of the liver detox regimen, in tea form.> I've been drinking the infusion for about a week now,> and have noticed small changes. My gas is smellier, I> assume due to the various detox's in the mix. My bowel> movements have been less frequent and of more> substance, rather than the frequent "salad shooters"> that I have been living with for years. My energy> level has increased, at least I think. I understand> that it is probably too soon to see a real difference,> that a lot of what I see may very well be "placebo"> effect, but even placebo relief is relief. And I> honestly believe that once I get the right blend, it> will be more beneficial than pharmaceuticals.>> > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.> http://search. >>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any> natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own> physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here> as long as> they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and> any person> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own> risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or> products from list members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner> and members free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 When the seed is whole it can sit for a long time. The oils are contained and protected. As soon as you grind it, though, you are exposing the oils to air and they start to go bad. That's for flax seed. As for the wheat germ, I'm just talking about the oil. The dry stuff you buy in the health food store doesn't have much oil in it. But it should still always be stored in the fridge. And by the way, if you eat flax seed without grinding it you are not getting the benefits of the seed. It's too small and slippery to crush between our teeth and our digestive tracts can't do anything with it. If you look you'll see they pass through you whole. If you eat them whole they work as fibre but you don't get the other benefits. If I might, I would suggest that you don't rely too heavily on wheat germ or any other isolated grain part, like bran. you're MUCH better off eating the whole grain. That way you can be sure that you are getting the proper ratios of nutrients, in the proportions that nature intended. The key words, once again, are whole foods. Our society likes to break things down so we get as much bang for our buck as we can, but ultimately this is not beneficial for us healthwise. Think of the process of isolating the components of the grain as the first step towards refinement and you will better understand what I'm talking about. About evening primrose, how do you buy it? I've never seen the fresh oil. I've only ever seen it in gel caps. ILANA xoxo Katherine Huether wrote: Wait, are you talking about the raw seeds and wheat germ? Or just the oil? I eat both flax seeds and wheat germ... I include the flax seeds in some tea blends. I am sorry! I am just confused! I don't even bother with flax seed oil because I know that goes bad quickly. What about evening primrose? Ilana Grostern <ilana wrote: John, Seed oil is very volatile and goes rancid really quickly. Flax and hemp seed are especially bad. So is wheat germ oil (an excellent source of Vitamin E, btw). When you buy them from the health food store they should ALWAYS be first cold pressed and kept in the fridge. If you find them on the shelf, do not buy. Those are rancid oils. Also, from the moment you open the bottle it can only sit for three weeks. Exposure to air makes it start to go. After three weeks throw it out (so buy the really small bottles so there's no waste). As for flax seed, it can sit for a while if it's not ground. But those seeds are really high in oil (try squishing one with a mortar and pestle and you'll see), enough that they go bad if they are warmed. I've never seen a tea with flax seed. It's a craze, you know. People have hopped on the fad train and now there's flax in EVERYTHING. It sells so it's put in food. But it's a food that must be respected. It's powerful and very good for you but you have to respect its limitations. As for cooking oil, you should only be using first cold-pressed olive oil anyways (or extra virgin - means the same thing), organic if possible or butter. Nothing else. And those oils should not be heated until they bubble or smoke. When they are heated like that they go bad and do damage in your body. As for olives, it's a different story. There is much less oil there so you don't have to worry unless you consume them by the barrelful, and if you are doing that you need to find out WHY you have that inclination And commercial olives are so full of other junk anyways that the last thing you need to worry about is rancid oils. Does that answer your questions? ILANA xoxo Katherine Huether wrote: > I never heard of not making a tea out of flaxseeds. I have seen a lot > of tea blends with it in it... is it possible that the amount of oil > in the flaxseeds is negligible enough that it won't really harm your > body? Using that same logic, should I not eat cooked olives? Or cooked > sesame seeds? I know that olive olive goes rancid if it gets too hot. > Just curious. > > John Ybarra wrote: > > --- Ilana Grostern wrote: > > John, > > Flax seed? You put that in a tea? Ground flax seed > > should never be > > heated as the oils go rancid and cause oxidation in > > the body. > > > > I have no clue what agrimony and meadowsweet are but > > I will go and look > > them up! Sounds like one powerful blend! How long > > have you been drinking > > it and what changes have you noticed? > > > > ILANA xoxo > > I didn't know that about flax seed. It was recommened > as a part of the liver detox regimen, in tea form. > I've been drinking the infusion for about a week now, > and have noticed small changes. My gas is smellier, I > assume due to the various detox's in the mix. My bowel > movements have been less frequent and of more > substance, rather than the frequent "salad shooters" > that I have been living with for years. My energy > level has increased, at least I think. I understand > that it is probably too soon to see a real difference, > that a lot of what I see may very well be "placebo" > effect, but even placebo relief is relief. And I > honestly believe that once I get the right blend, it > will be more beneficial than pharmaceuticals. > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here > as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and > any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own > risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner > and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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