Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Yes, the coffee has a major effect on Gout. Gout is a result of an excess of uric acid, which coffee has been closely tied too. Denham Eva [evad]Monday, May 12, 2003 5:17 AMherbal remedies (E-mail)[herbal remedies] A Newbie and Gout question. Hello, I have been "lurking" in the background for a week or two now, have found all that is discussed here extremely interesting. I have gathered up enough courage to place a question. Here goes... A little background info is that I had hepatitis about six years ago. I recovered, according to my doctor, a hundred percent :-) However I have gradually began to suspect that perhaps it was not as the doctor had diagnosed. Since then I have suffered from gout and have recently started following as close as possible a gout friendly diet, hence low in purines. At present I also take a celery seed pill in the morning and allopurine (Not sure on the spelling here), I only experience a constantly present pain in my right wrist. But what I don't understand is why? Ok, a little about my diet. I try to avoid red meat, keeping mainly to chicken and fish. I avoid mushrooms, large helpings of green beans etc. A little about my weight, I am a six foot white South African male and weigh 130KG (about 286 pounds, I think). I have lost 10KG since I have made the decision to "healthy" up. Can I expect this problem to go away if I loose more weight? Does coffee have an effect on gout? ( I drink between 4-8 mugs a day) I see in one of the documents on this groups document library, that I should avoid sugar, does this have an effect? Any suggestions/suggested treatments will be gladly received. Best Regards Denham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Welcom Denham! Browse the message archives, or do a search as there was discussion on this and some suggestions awhile back... Here is another formula you can try which is in the member contribution file The Gout Formula: 1/4 oz skullcap 1/4 oz valerian root 1/2 oz yarrow flowers 1/2 oz nettlesFix in non-aluminum pan.2 tsp. per 8 oz. water, steep 5 minutes. Take 4x per day. Use NO SWEETENER whatsoever.No meats, sweets, legumes or alcoholic beverages. Drink lots of water and juice.Also -- charcoal 1 tsp. 4x per day until attack is over. Suzi The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Well now that depends on whether you are using raw sugar or refined sugar. Refined sugar has absolutely no nutritive value what-so-ever. Better off using raw sugar that has not been refined or use molasses, raw honey or stevia. Alot of medical problems can be attributed to the use of refined sugar. HTH, Don Quai - Denham Eva herbal remedies 13. May 2003 9:54 AM RE: [herbal remedies] A Newbie and Gout question. Thanks Suzanne, Can you give me an idea why no sweets(sugar?)? Thanks again, I'll read up in the archives. Denham Suzanne Nottmeier [suziesgoats]Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:33 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] A Newbie and Gout question. Welcom Denham! Browse the message archives, or do a search as there was discussion on this and some suggestions awhile back... Here is another formula you can try which is in the member contribution file The Gout Formula:1/4 oz skullcap1/4 oz valerian root1/2 oz yarrow flowers1/2 oz nettlesFix in non-aluminum pan.2 tsp. per 8 oz. water, steep 5 minutes. Take 4x per day. Use NO SWEETENER whatsoever.No meats, sweets, legumes or alcoholic beverages. Drink lots of water and juice.Also -- charcoal 1 tsp. 4x per day until attack is over. Suzi The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Hi Denham, Sounds like you are well on your way to some serious kidney problems. I understand your needing to burn the candle at both ends so to speak, but there are much better ways of doing it. The amount of coffee you are drinking is overloading your adrenals big time. I would strongly suggest that you quit the coffee, period!!!!! If you have to have caffeine then take one cup of green organic tea per day. NO MORE!!! You are currently on the caffeine rollercoaster that goes only downhill and pretty dang quickly. I would suggest you start using ginger to stimulate your adrenals before they shut down completely from exhaustion. Garlic and cayenne as well. Then consider taking B vitamin supplements to help build your energy back up. Stay away from any kind of meat and fish. Eat lots of fresh fruits and green leafy vegetables. Drink no cocoa or soda pops. Do avail yourself of a juicer, if possible, and begin drinking parsley juice, carrot juice or apple juice (preferrable fresh organic fruits and vegetables). Parsley tea will help with your kidneys as will the parsley juice. Uva Ursi or corn silk teas will assist your kidneys as well. Eat no refined sugar or processed dead, devitalized foods. You need to seriously cleanse your body. Fresh celery and celery seed are very good for gout too. Stay away from dairy products, as well. Get plenty of exercise and sunshine. Also the Panther Piss formula in the files will give you much in the way of minerals and help to balance the acid/alkalinity of your body. HTH, Don Quai Denham Eva [evad]Monday, May 12, 2003 5:17 AMherbal remedies (E-mail)[herbal remedies] A Newbie and Gout question. Hello, I have been "lurking" in the background for a week or two now, have found all that is discussed here extremely interesting. I have gathered up enough courage to place a question. Here goes... A little background info is that I had hepatitis about six years ago. I recovered, according to my doctor, a hundred percent :-) However I have gradually began to suspect that perhaps it was not as the doctor had diagnosed. Since then I have suffered from gout and have recently started following as close as possible a gout friendly diet, hence low in purines. At present I also take a celery seed pill in the morning and allopurine (Not sure on the spelling here), I only experience a constantly present pain in my right wrist. But what I don't understand is why? Ok, a little about my diet. I try to avoid red meat, keeping mainly to chicken and fish. I avoid mushrooms, large helpings of green beans etc. A little about my weight, I am a six foot white South African male and weigh 130KG (about 286 pounds, I think). I have lost 10KG since I have made the decision to "healthy" up. Can I expect this problem to go away if I loose more weight? Does coffee have an effect on gout? ( I drink between 4-8 mugs a day) I see in one of the documents on this groups document library, that I should avoid sugar, does this have an effect? Any suggestions/suggested treatments will be gladly received. Best Regards Denham ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release 17.3.03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Hi Denham, Contrary to popular belief you can get all the protein you need from the fruits and vegetables that you eat. This whole idea of having to ingest protein in order to survive is pretty much fostered by the dairy councils, pig councils, chicken and turkey councils, fish councils and any other kind of council that suggests eating dead critters. The human body does not need to ingest dead flesh in order to extract the protein it needs. Your body is perfectly capable of making all the protein it needs from the amino acids you take in. Yes, eggs are a good source of protein but I would suggest you use organic eggs and raw at that. Nuts are good but I would suggest you soak them at least 12 hours first to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors that exist in all grains, nuts, and seeds. All your grains, nuts and seeds should be soaked first for at least 8 - 12 hours to deactivate these enzyme inhibitors, otherwise these same enzyme inhibitors will inhibit the enzymatic processes that occur naturally within your own body. While you are checking out the files under Doc Ian Shillington, check out the Total Nutrition formula. Here is what it contains and you can get the whole file in the archives by following this link: herbal remediesDoc%20Ian%20Shillington%20ND/ In this particular formula a "part" means a measurement by volume and notweight. What volume you use is up to you. All ingredients are eitherOrganic or Wildcrafted. I added Astragalus as it is the #1 herb for balancing metabolism and blood sugar levels. Without changing my diet one iota, I dropped 10 pounds when I added this little goody to the formula. I also upped the Spirulina and Chlorella 50% each to increase the protein, and mineral intake. My favorite way to take it is: 2 heaping tablespoons of TN1 Tbl spoon of UDO's1 Tbl spoon of Flaxseed Oil1 Teaspoon of Bee Pollen (the reason I haven't added Bee Pollen to the TN formula is because pollen should be refrigerated where TN doesn't need to be)2 raw organic eggs & sometimes 1 teaspoon of MSM PowderBlended in Apple cider for a minute makes the best morning drink I ever tasted. Total Nutrition Formula 1 part Alfalfa Grass Powder1 part Barley Grass Powder1 part Wheat Grass Powder1 part Norwegian Purple Dulse Seaweed Powder1 part Beet Root Powder1 part Spinach Leaf Powder1 part Rosehips Powder1 part Orange Peel Powder1 part Lemon Peel Powder1 part Astagalus Powder1.5 parts Spirulina Green Algae1.5 parts Chlorella Broken Cell Algae5 parts Yeast Flakes5 parts Yeast Powder NB. Yeast (both the flakes and the powder) must be Non-active Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Nutritional Yeast. Which is safe for patients with Candida Albicans. TOTAL NUTRITION® 100% ORGANIC and WILDHARVESTED VITAMIN and MINERAL WHOLEFOOD SUPPLEMENT This perfectly balanced blend of Superfoods is specifically formulated to supply you with Natural Food Source Vitamins, Minerals, Amino Acids and Essential Trace Nutrients. These are Nature's Nutrients, not man made synthetic vitamins. All ingredients are from the richest, whole food sources on the planet. All the ingredients are organically grown or wildcrafted. This zero fat formula will give you quick energy, and it tastes great. It should be the foundation of any health program because it is nutrients that build your body and health. If you are going to eat meat keep it to a bare minimum and make sure that it is certified organic only. Anything else has been treated with hormones, antibiotics, and other poisons. You can also get your protein from legumes (beans) just be sure that you soak them for minimum of 12 hours first. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask. This is what we are here for. HTH, Don Quai - Denham Eva herbal remedies 13. May 2003 12:25 PM RE: [herbal remedies] A Newbie and Gout question. Thanks Don, Wow. Yoy've got my mind going now. OK, much of what you have said I follow and can implement. One extra question if I may, what do I do for protein? Peanuts(real peanut butter), nuts, egg whites? Thank you so much for your input thus far! Denham Hi Denham, Sounds like you are well on your way to some serious kidney problems. I understand your needing to burn the candle at both ends so to speak, but there are much better ways of doing it. The amount of coffee you are drinking is overloading your adrenals big time. I would strongly suggest that you quit the coffee, period!!!!! If you have to have caffeine then take one cup of green organic tea per day. NO MORE!!! You are currently on the caffeine rollercoaster that goes only downhill and pretty dang quickly. I would suggest you start using ginger to stimulate your adrenals before they shut down completely from exhaustion. Garlic and cayenne as well. Then consider taking B vitamin supplements to help build your energy back up. Stay away from any kind of meat and fish. Eat lots of fresh fruits and green leafy vegetables. Drink no cocoa or soda pops. Do avail yourself of a juicer, if possible, and begin drinking parsley juice, carrot juice or apple juice (preferrable fresh organic fruits and vegetables). Parsley tea will help with your kidneys as will the parsley juice. Uva Ursi or corn silk teas will assist your kidneys as well. Eat no refined sugar or processed dead, devitalized foods. You need to seriously cleanse your body. Fresh celery and celery seed are very good for gout too. Stay away from dairy products, as well. Get plenty of exercise and sunshine. Also the Panther Piss formula in the files will give you much in the way of minerals and help to balance the acid/alkalinity of your body. HTH, Don Quai DISCLAIMER This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. TFMC, its holding company, and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor and manage all e-mail communications through its networks. 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Denham, Here are some links which may provide you with a starting point for your research. Unfortunately I can't tell you if any of them are actually near you, but they all appear to be from South Africa: http://www.herbsforafrica.co.za/editorial/june-aug.asp http://www.herbs-aplenty.com/about.html http://www.herbs.org/current/safcult.html http://www.herb.co.za/ http://www.ananzi.co.za/catalog/HomeandHobbies/Hobbies/Gardening/ Good luck. Sounds like you have a VERY exciting learning opportunity and I have no doubt that you're going to have your mind blown wide open. I applaud you for the courage to seek an alternate route to your health and well-being! ILANA xoxo Denham Eva wrote: A Newbie and Gout question. Thank you Don for the encouragement and exam wishes. Yes your right about the choices. I have come to see that many of mine have been, well... uneducated. I found this group by accident and joined on the spur of the moment. Since that fateful day, I have come to see that there are other choices out there and not the vicious cycle of the mainstream medical practices. I mean by that... if my gout problem is due to adrenal deterioration, then normal medication is compounding the issue i.e. anti-inflammatory etc cause so much more work for the kidneys etc. The trick will be trying to find herd suppliers here in South Africa Pretoria. I have been reading some of the articles and documents on the groups library and have no idea what most of the herbs mentioned are. Anyway that's what research is for right? Many Thanks Denham Your very welcome Denham. I do wish you best of luck on your exams, by the way. I also wish you the best on getting your body back into harmony. Life is all about choices. The choices you make now will reflect on how you will be health wise in the coming future. Don't forget to check out the files under Doc Ian Shillington. Lots of good information in there and some really good formulas. Peace and light, Don Quai DISCLAIMER This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. TFMC, its holding company, and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor and manage all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be views of any such entity. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal - For more information please visit www.marshalsoftware.com Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 I believe sugar like coffee is bad for gout... anyway it's not good for you in general.. SuziDenham Eva <evad wrote: Thanks Suzanne, Can you give me an idea why no sweets(sugar?)? Thanks again, I'll read up in the archives. Denham Suzanne Nottmeier [suziesgoats]Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:33 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] A Newbie and Gout question. Welcom Denham! Browse the message archives, or do a search as there was discussion on this and some suggestions awhile back... Here is another formula you can try which is in the member contribution file The Gout Formula:1/4 oz skullcap1/4 oz valerian root1/2 oz yarrow flowers1/2 oz nettlesFix in non-aluminum pan.2 tsp. per 8 oz. water, steep 5 minutes. Take 4x per day. Use NO SWEETENER whatsoever.No meats, sweets, legumes or alcoholic beverages. Drink lots of water and juice.Also -- charcoal 1 tsp. 4x per day until attack is over. Suzi The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Denham, Check out this article! http://www.organicnutrition.co.uk/articles/is-sugar-bad-for-you.htm ILANA xoxo Suzanne Nottmeier wrote: I believe sugar like coffee is bad for gout... anyway it's not good for you in general.. Suzi Denham Eva <evad wrote: Thanks Suzanne, Can you give me an idea why no sweets(sugar?)? Thanks again, I'll read up in the archives. Denham Suzanne Nottmeier [suziesgoats] Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:33 AM herbal remedies Re: [herbal remedies] A Newbie and Gout question. Welcom Denham! Browse the message archives, or do a search as there was discussion on this and some suggestions awhile back... Here is another formula you can try which is in the member contribution file The Gout Formula: 1/4 oz skullcap 1/4 oz valerian root 1/2 oz yarrow flowers 1/2 oz nettles Fix in non-aluminum pan. 2 tsp. per 8 oz. water, steep 5 minutes. Take 4x per day. Use NO SWEETENER whatsoever. No meats, sweets, legumes or alcoholic beverages. Drink lots of water and juice. Also -- charcoal 1 tsp. 4x per day until attack is over. Suzi The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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