Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Yes, I did hear the flack that flax seed oil is taking. I heard that another seed called sea buck seed oil will be the next replacement. Is anyone familiar with this seed? - Daniel Wasserman - Catherine Hemenway Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:27 PM Re: Re: flax What did she suggest in place of Flax? Did she talk about other EFA oils? Catherine Catherine Hemenway, L.Ac.Mirasol: Arizona Center forEating Disorder Recoverywww.mirasol.net - tcmmeiguoren Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:56 PM Re: flax , "" <@i...> wrote:> If positive animal studies used flaxseeds, then this lends support to using > whole foods and gives no support to using the oil fraction aloneIn Satya's talk she mentioned that the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 in ground flax seedwas 1:1, whereas the ratio in the oil is much higher. I don't know if that's true, but manypeople use flax to raise omega 3 levels relative to omega 6. My impression from her talkwas that the whole food flax, i.e. the seed, didn't fit the bill because of its Omega 3 ratio,and the oils for unspecified (at least in my recollection) reasons were carcinogenic. Forthe record, in general her seminar was well referenced with several pages of qualitativebibliography . Unfortunately there were no obvious flax references. I'll try to get in touchwith Satya to find out her sources.-TimChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 I heard from a patient that he read a recent study that found flax seed oil caused a 300% increase in prostate cancer tumors but, (again this is second-hand--I have not been able to find the source yet) fish oil did not have that effect. I am also interested in finding out, so if you hear more, please let me know-- Mike , " " <@h...> wrote: > Dear GRoup, > > My friend was just at a lecture by Satya Ambrose, and she claimed > that FLAX Seed Oil is on the outs... (It is carcinogenic, and should > not be used.) She cited NEW STRONG evidence to support this. HAs > anyone heard this, or do they have a reference for such studies? > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 In , " " <@h...> wrote: > My friend was just at a lecture by Satya Ambrose, and she claimed that FLAX Seed Oil is on the outs... (It is carcinogenic, and should not be used.) She cited NEW STRONG evidence to support this. HAs anyone heard this, or do they have a reference for such studies? Jason: This seems odd since the recent news says quite the opposite. See link below. Jim Ramholz Flaxseed-Rich Diet Blocks Prostate Cancer Growth and Development in Mice A diet rich in flaxseed seems to reduce the size, aggressiveness and severity of tumors in mice that have been genetically engineered to develop prostate cancer. (Duke University 11/11/2002) http://news.mc.duke.edu/news/article.php?id=6041 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 Can't remember the source, but I read somewhere that while flax seed oil is implicated in certain hormone-linked cancers (prostate, breast), the whole seed, due to the presence of lignins (sp?), offers a protective effect. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Eva Zeller >> My friend was just at a lecture by Satya Ambrose, and she claimed that FLAX Seed Oil is on the outs... (It is carcinogenic, and should not be used.) She cited NEW STRONG evidence to support this. HAs anyone heard this, or do they have a reference for such studies? Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 , Li2398@a... wrote: I apologize, but a quick medline search did not > show anything too exceptional except that most studies use flaxseeds instead > of flaxseed oil in their testing. further support for my whole foods theory. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 I don't follow the argument here ... " quick medline search ... most studies use flaxseeds instead of flaxseed oil in their testing " If most studies use flaxseeds _not the oil_ then whole foods would not be superior and rotten oil would not be a problem. Personally I believe the studies indicate the toxicity of all our present day food that have been cultivated in chemical manure. reminds me of the recent FDA ruling against a local restaurant that for twenty years has been serving its famous four egg soufflé - due to FDA pressure the restaurant was forced to switch to a three egger ---- why you ask - cause one out of four eggs contain salmonella. Ed Kasper Santa Cruz, CA. -----Original Messages----- 1) These are the only three abstracts on medline under a search for flax AND carcinogen. All are positive for flax. <<snipped>> 2) From my understanding, flax seed oil is not good for prostates. However, freshly ground flax seeds are fine. I believe that it goes beyond the improper storage of the oils after it is ground, but I am not sure. As I understand, even if you grind up your own flax seeds for consumption you are only supposed to grind up as much as you will use at that time. It is perhaps the fiber in the seed that makes the difference and/or the oils are very volatile to storage esp. improper storage?From the source that Jim cited: " Also, flaxseed is a source of lignan, a specific family of fiber-related compounds that appear to play a role in influencing both estrogen and testosterone metabolism. Since testosterone may be important in the progression of prostate cancer, lignan could help inhibit the growth and development of the disease. " I apologize, but a quick medline search did not show anything too exceptional except that most studies use flaxseeds instead of flaxseed oil in their testing. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release 11/13/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 , " Ed Kasper LAc. www.HappyHerbalist.com " <eddy@h...> wrote: > I don't follow the argument here ... > " quick medline search ... most studies use flaxseeds instead of flaxseed oil > in their testing " > > If most studies use flaxseeds _not the oil_ then whole foods would not be > superior and rotten oil would not be a problem. I don't follow your logic: If positive animal studies used flaxseeds, then this lends support to using whole foods and gives no support to using the oil fraction alone If the average person uses potentially rancid flaxseed oil, then the negative results in pactual humans might be due to rancidity. What don't you follow? If you were right about the manure, then all food would be carcinogenic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 , " " <@i...> wrote: > If positive animal studies used flaxseeds, then this lends support to using > whole foods and gives no support to using the oil fraction alone In Satya's talk she mentioned that the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 in ground flax seed was 1:1, whereas the ratio in the oil is much higher. I don't know if that's true, but many people use flax to raise omega 3 levels relative to omega 6. My impression from her talk was that the whole food flax, i.e. the seed, didn't fit the bill because of its Omega 3 ratio, and the oils for unspecified (at least in my recollection) reasons were carcinogenic. For the record, in general her seminar was well referenced with several pages of qualitative bibliography . Unfortunately there were no obvious flax references. I'll try to get in touch with Satya to find out her sources. -Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 What did she suggest in place of Flax? Did she talk about other EFA oils? Catherine Catherine Hemenway, L.Ac.Mirasol: Arizona Center forEating Disorder Recoverywww.mirasol.net - tcmmeiguoren Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:56 PM Re: flax , "" <@i...> wrote:> If positive animal studies used flaxseeds, then this lends support to using > whole foods and gives no support to using the oil fraction aloneIn Satya's talk she mentioned that the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 in ground flax seedwas 1:1, whereas the ratio in the oil is much higher. I don't know if that's true, but manypeople use flax to raise omega 3 levels relative to omega 6. My impression from her talkwas that the whole food flax, i.e. the seed, didn't fit the bill because of its Omega 3 ratio,and the oils for unspecified (at least in my recollection) reasons were carcinogenic. Forthe record, in general her seminar was well referenced with several pages of qualitativebibliography . Unfortunately there were no obvious flax references. I'll try to get in touchwith Satya to find out her sources.-TimChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 , " Wasserman " <danjan18@m...> wrote: > Yes, I did hear the flack that flax seed oil is taking. I heard that another seed called sea buck seed oil will be the next replacement. I thought the rage was emu oil, from the so-called living dinosaur. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 , Catherine Hemenway <chemenway@b...> wrote: > What did she suggest in place of Flax? Did she talk about other EFA oils? She mentioned other oils, but she seemed really sold on fish oil. She suggested fish oil that had been screened for environmental toxins. At the break several people asked her for specific recommendations. She named three products: Carlson's brand liquid (didn't specify product but she did say that they had one with Vitamin E and a nice lemon flavor) Nordic Naturals (didn't specify product name) Tyler Eskimo 3 She also suggested 1 to 2 grams a day, adjusted for your current fatty acid intake. I think the point was more directed toward the idea that Fatty Acids are one of the more important dietary " supplements " to consider. The supplements can be screened for toxins, the same can't be said for fish at your local market. Please note though that this wasn't a talk on EFAs so not a lot of time was devoted to the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Barry Sears is selling a pharmaceutical grade fish oil on his website, www.searlabs.com, in conjunction with his new book on the subject. I've used it on myself and patients and found it to be more effective than other products I've tried. Jim Ramholz , " tcmmeiguoren " <doctortim@a...> wrote: > , Catherine Hemenway <chemenway@b...> wrote: > > What did she suggest in place of Flax? Did she talk about other EFA oils? > > She mentioned other oils, but she seemed really sold on fish oil. She suggested fish oil that had been screened for environmental toxins. At the break several people asked her for specific recommendations. She named three products: > > Carlson's brand liquid (didn't specify product but she did say that they had one with Vitamin E and a nice lemon flavor) > > Nordic Naturals (didn't specify product name) > > Tyler Eskimo 3 > > She also suggested 1 to 2 grams a day, adjusted for your current fatty acid intake. I think the point was more directed toward the idea that Fatty Acids are one of the more important dietary " supplements " to consider. The supplements can be screened for toxins, the same can't be said for fish at your local market. Please note though that this wasn't a talk on EFAs so not a lot of time was devoted to the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 , " James Ramholz " <jramholz> wrote: > Barry Sears is selling a pharmaceutical grade fish oil on his > website, I sometimes recommend hempseed oil instead of the sterilized seed we get in US pharamcies. But only for short term use for constipation. I have always been suspicious of the broader claims for hempseed oil since it was never an important food source in any culture and a notation in bensky's first materia medica about some toxicity. I wonder if it will also turn out to be problematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Todd thanks for the clarification. most studies used flaxseeds and the results were negative meaning that flaxseeds were bad for you. at least that's how I understood the sentence. and all food are not carcinogenic - but those sprayed with pesticides are. The studies make no distinction - therefore my conclusion is that they are testing the pesticides not the food - or at least flaxseeds that have been sprayed with pesticides. IMHO, most scientist studies have a bases that pesticides do not cause cancer. Therefore any pesticide reside left over could not contribute to any possible cancer and must be contributed to the flaxseed. I would venture that no ever did a double blind what ja mu call it study on it. Message: 6 Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:51:13 -0000 " " < Re: flax , " Ed Kasper LAc. www.HappyHerbalist.com " <eddy@h...> wrote: > I don't follow the argument here ... > " quick medline search ... most studies use flaxseeds instead of flaxseed oil > in their testing " > > If most studies use flaxseeds _not the oil_ then whole foods would not be > superior and rotten oil would not be a problem. I don't follow your logic: If positive animal studies used flaxseeds, then this lends support to using whole foods and gives no support to using the oil fraction alone If the average person uses potentially rancid flaxseed oil, then the negative results in pactual humans might be due to rancidity. What don't you follow? If you were right about the manure, then all food would be carcinogenic. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release 11/13/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Barry Sears is selling a pharmaceutical grade fish oil on his website, www.searlabs.com, >>>I have tried it on patients and not found it better than pureincap which are much less expensive Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 I would like to take flax to clean out my colon and bought flax seed meal. Can this be used in place of the flax seeds? or is there another kind of flax for this purpose? A naturopath said to take a teaspoon in a small amount of water and drink it before it gets thick, then follow with a full glass of water. The meal doesn't get thick. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 In a message dated 4/19/2003 8:06:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, MarkellyC writes: I also grind the seed in a coffee grinder. I wouldn't waste it in a glass of water though, it's yummy on your morning toast! Kelly Flax seed goes bad really fast when ground. I would grind it fresh when needed, or if no choice freeze in the freezer until using. But once ground it is only good for a day or so to get all the properties out of it. I used to eat it on my oatmeal - tastes good that way also Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 FYI- cooking flax destroys some of the benifits. It certainly doesn't sound appetizing mixed with just water Beckycrcjct wrote: I have a grinder for Celtic salt...I'll try that. Or - I'll just keepputting it on my cereal. Today I put in soup so I'll probably think ofother ways to get it into my system. I don't like drinking thick stuffanyway :)Janet The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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