Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 Yes, the total tonic and good nutrition. Maybe some lung tincture, like mullein and elecampane as a tonic also. A vitamin c flush... Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 The best defence would be: * - Total Tonic * - Echinacea * - DMSO * - Lobelia Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Suzanne Nottmeier herbal remedies Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:26 PM [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy Anyone want to discuss SARS.... this is the mysterious virus/illness going on abroad... now apparently has arrived in California on an airline... according to what I just heard on Dateline tonite. What would be our best defense? Total tonic, what else? It is a virus similar to the common cold only much worse from what I have heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 Ok Doc... I figured all but the lobelia... was wondering what the rest of membership would come up with.... but now explain how the lobelia figures in... is it in relationship to the lungs? And how much of each would you take as a preventative and how much if you contacted the disease? Suzi "Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: The best defence would be: * - Total Tonic * - Echinacea * - DMSO * - Lobelia Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Suzanne Nottmeier herbal remedies Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:26 PM [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy Anyone want to discuss SARS.... this is the mysterious virus/illness going on abroad... now apparently has arrived in California on an airline... according to what I just heard on Dateline tonite. What would be our best defense? Total tonic, what else? It is a virus similar to the common cold only much worse from what I have heard. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 A definite "yes" on the lobelia for the lungs. Another herb I might add would be a tinctured Mullein, again for the lungs. As a preventative, you could do one dropperful a day of each. If you actually contacted the disease = One ounce of each immediately, followed by one to two dropperfuls every hour thereafter until symptoms go away. Then two dropperfuls 3 times a day for the rest of that week. Every night, you wanna take a hot bath for at least an half an hour as hot as you can stand it, and drink 6 cups of ginger tea while in the tub to produce sweating. Yarrow tea would be better if you have it. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Suzanne Nottmeier herbal remedies Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:56 AM Re: [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy Ok Doc... I figured all but the lobelia... was wondering what the rest of membership would come up with.... but now explain how the lobelia figures in... is it in relationship to the lungs? And how much of each would you take as a preventative and how much if you contacted the disease? Suzi "Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: The best defence would be: * - Total Tonic * - Echinacea * - DMSO * - Lobelia Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Suzanne Nottmeier herbal remedies Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:26 PM [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy Anyone want to discuss SARS.... this is the mysterious virus/illness going on abroad... now apparently has arrived in California on an airline... according to what I just heard on Dateline tonite. What would be our best defense? Total tonic, what else? It is a virus similar to the common cold only much worse from what I have heard. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 I am a little behind on this discussion and read a few suggestions . What about colloidal silver? Since it's effect is to suffocate the nasty bug, it works on viruses and bacteria. I am glad to see the mention of lobelia. Also fenugreek and thyme is excellent for loosening phlegm and getting sinuses to run my two cents Cindy - Suzanne Nottmeier herbal remedies Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:26 PM [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy Anyone want to discuss SARS.... this is the mysterious virus/illness going on abroad... now apparently has arrived in California on an airline... according to what I just heard on Dateline tonite. What would be our best defense? Total tonic, what else? It is a virus similar to the common cold only much worse from what I have heard. Here is what the CDC says: What is SARS?SARS is a respiratory illness that has recently been reported in Asia, North America, and Europe. For additional information, check the World Health Organization’s (WHO) SARS Web site or visit other pages on CDC’s SARS Web site. What are the symptoms and signs of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)?The illness usually begins with a fever (measured temperature greater than 100.4°F [>38.0°C]). The fever is sometimes associated with chills or other symptoms, including headache, general feeling of discomfort, and body aches. Some people also experience mild respiratory symptoms at the outset.After 2 to 7 days, SARS patients may develop a dry, nonproductive cough that might be accompanied by or progress to the point where insufficient oxygen is getting to the blood. In 10% to 20% of cases, patients will require mechanical ventilation. For more information, see the MMWR dispatch. If I were exposed to SARS, how long would it take for me to become sick?The incubation period for SARS is typically 2-7 days; however, isolated reports have suggested an incubation period as long as 10 days. The illness usually begins with a fever (>100.4°F [>38.0°C]) (see signs and symptoms, above). What medical treatment is recommended for patients with SARS? CDC currently recommends that patients with SARS receive the same treatment that would be used for any patient with serious community-acquired atypical pneumonia of unknown cause. Several treatment regimens have been used for patients with SARS, but there is insufficient information at this time to determine if they have had a beneficial effect. Reported therapeutic regimens have included antibiotics to presumptively treat known bacterial agents of atypical pneumonia. Therapy also has included antiviral agents such as oseltamivir or ribavirin. Steroids also have been administered orally or intravenously to patients in combination with ribavirin and other antimicrobials. For more information on SARS, see "Interim Information and Recommendations for Health Care Providers" on CDC's SARS web site. Spread of SARS How is SARS spread?The principal way SARS appears to be spread is through droplet transmission; namely, when someone sick with SARS coughs or sneezes droplets into the air and someone else breathes them in. It is possible that SARS can be transmitted more broadly through the air or from objects that have become contaminated. How long is a person with SARS infectious to others? Information to date suggests that people are most likely to be infectious when they have symptoms, such as fever or cough. However, it is not known how long before or after their symptoms begin that patients with SARS might be able to transmit the disease to others. Who is most at risk of contracting SARS? Cases of SARS continue to be reported primarily among people who have had direct close contact with an infected person, such as those sharing a household with a SARS patient and health care workers who did not use infection control procedures while caring for a SARS patient. In the United States, there is no indication of community transmission at this time. CDC continues to monitor this situation very closely. Cause of SARS What is the cause of SARS? Scientists at CDC and other laboratories have detected a previously unrecognized coronavirus in patients with SARS. While the new coronavirus is still the leading hypothesis for the cause of SARS, other viruses are still under investigation as potential causes. What are coronaviruses?Coronaviruses are a group of viruses that have a halo or crown-like (corona) appearance when viewed under a microscope. These viruses are a common cause of mild to moderate upper-respiratory illness in humans and are associated with respiratory, gastrointestinal, liver and neurologic disease in animals. Coronaviruses can survive in the environment for as long as three hours. What evidence is there to suggest that coronaviruses may be linked with SARS?CDC scientists were able to isolate a virus from the tissues of two patients who had SARS and then used several laboratory methods to characterize the agent. Examination by electron microscopy revealed that the virus had the distinctive shape and appearance of coronaviruses. Tests of serum specimens from patients with SARS showed that the patients appeared to have recently been infected with this coronavirus. Other tests demonstrated that coronavirus was present in a variety of clinical specimens from patients, including nose and throat swabs. In addition, genetic analysis suggests that this new virus belongs to the family of coronaviruses but differs from previously identified coronaviruses. These laboratory results do not provide conclusive evidence that the new coronavirus is the cause of SARS. Additional specimens are being tested to learn more about this coronavirus and its link with SARS. If coronaviruses usually cause mild illness in humans, how could this new coronavirus be responsible for a potentially life-threatening disease such as SARS?There is not enough information about the new virus to determine the full range of illness that it might cause. Coronaviruses have occasionally been linked to pneumonia in humans, especially people with weakened immune systems. The viruses can also cause severe disease in animals, including cats, dogs, pigs, mice, and birds. Has new information about coronavirus changed the recommendations for medical treatment for patients with SARS?The possibility that coronavirus is the cause of SARS has not changed treatment recommendations. The new coronavirus is being tested against various antiviral drugs to see if an effective treatment can be found. Is there a test for SARS?No "test" is available yet for SARS; however, CDC, in collaboration with WHO and other laboratories, has developed 2 research tests that appear to be very promising in detecting antibodies to the new coronavirus. CDC is working to refine and share this testing capability as soon as possible with laboratories across the United States and internationally. Suzi Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 I don't know that i would trust collidal silver .. i've heard too much controversy back and forth from people who say it worked to those you say it didn't.. (from several other lists I belong to) I'd go for the garlic, cayenne and lobelia first... (actually the Total Tonic)Suzi Cindy <oriana wrote: I am a little behind on this discussion and read a few suggestions . What about colloidal silver? Since it's effect is to suffocate the nasty bug, it works on viruses and bacteria. I am glad to see the mention of lobelia. Also fenugreek and thyme is excellent for loosening phlegm and getting sinuses to run my two cents Cindy Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 In my treatments, I replaced the "Cold Sheet Treatment" with the hot baths or saunas. The cold sheet treatment is tooooo traumatic. I would use it as a last resort though. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - doodle bug herbal remedies Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:09 PM Re: [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy How about Cold Sheets? Or at least the garlic part? Suzanne Nottmeier <suziesgoats wrote: Ok Doc... I figured all but the lobelia... was wondering what the rest of membership would come up with.... but now explain how the lobelia figures in... is it in relationship to the lungs? And how much of each would you take as a preventative and how much if you contacted the disease? Suzi Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 It's a Doc Christopher remedy which he modified from an ancient protocol. I'll see if I can dig it up and get it into the files. ;o) Love, Doc PS. Trust me, it is a hellacious protocol, and I've been able to get the same results from hot baths and saunas. ;o) Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Anjeweleyes herbal remedies Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:24 PM Re: [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy Cold Sheet Treatment too traumatic.... Did I read that correctly? I took a cold shower about a week ago and am still in shock... What's "cold sheet treatment"? It's got to be worse than it sounds to be more traumatic than hot cold showers... Thanks for enlightening me ahead of time, Angel All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Dr. Ian Shillington herbal remedies Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:45 PM Re: [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy In my treatments, I replaced the "Cold Sheet Treatment" with the hot baths or saunas. The cold sheet treatment is tooooo traumatic. I would use it as a last resort though. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - doodle bug herbal remedies Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:09 PM Re: [herbal remedies] SARS - lengthy How about Cold Sheets? Or at least the garlic part? Suzanne Nottmeier <suziesgoats wrote: Ok Doc... I figured all but the lobelia... was wondering what the rest of membership would come up with.... but now explain how the lobelia figures in... is it in relationship to the lungs? And how much of each would you take as a preventative and how much if you contacted the disease? Suzi Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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