Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

My name is Aimee and my son, Quinn, is 4 months old. For the last 3 months

we have been battling with oversupply issues

http://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm. < for description of

symptoms and what not...

I've taken care of the upset to my son, but am left dealing with the

engorgement and constant leaking. I am looking for a natural remedy

to reduce milk supply. I am so miserable I have even considered taking

antihistamines. Help!

 

Aimee

aimee

http://www.lightweb.net

[Guest guest]

Aimee,

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com you can find a store close to you.

Suzi

Aimee LeVally Harris <aimee wrote:

 

 

Thank you for the advice. Do you know if I might find either of those at the Whole Foods Market, or if not, where?

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[Guest guest]

I Also Have Done This. Check The Local Hospital In You Area, This Is Good For The "Preemies" Also You Can Freeze It In Bulk Measured Out Exactly , Then Pour Into A Freezer Bag And Label. This Is Good For When You Need A Babysitter, Then You Dont Have To Use "Formula". The Only Thing About This Is Dont Defrost Your Milk In The Microwave Or Stove The Heat Destroys "stuff" Anyway Take The Bags You Need And Put Them In The Fridge .Walk in Peace ,Grey Eagle

GODBLESS777 <GODBLESS777 wrote:

did you know you can donate you extra milk..it can be life saving..I did with when nursing my kids. It iseasy..jo...God blessmach5_kel wrote:> Hi Aimee,Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Aimee, leaking and engorgement are uncomfortable, but you are producing the milk for Quinn. How often do you feed him hon? Do you express the milk in between feedings and store in bottles? What is your diet like right now? Don't take antihistamines, there are natural means of drying up. I have a feeling though that your body is simply producing the amount of milk your baby needs.

 

Janet

 

-

Aimee LeVally Harris

herbal remedies

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:51 PM

[herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

Hi,My name is Aimee and my son, Quinn, is 4 months old. For the last 3 monthswe have been battling with oversupply issueshttp://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm. < for description ofsymptoms and what not...I've taken care of the upset to my son, but am left dealing with theengorgement and constant leaking. I am looking for a natural remedyto reduce milk supply. I am so miserable I have even considered takingantihistamines. Help!Aimeeaimeehttp://www.lightweb.netFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Aimee,

 

I too have over-active letdown – it started

with my second-born (I’m on number four, now.) I worked with an IBCLE for

three months to resolve the issue. Here are some things that my LC taught me,

and they may help you as well.

 

First. Analyze the feeding schedule how

often – all my kids nursed frequently – some feeding were even 45 minutes apart, but this was what

my son needed. I still recommend feeding on demand – with scheduled feedings

you can run into problems too.

 

 

If you can feel when you are about to let down – take the

baby of the breast – put your finger over the nipple and apply

gentle pressure. This helps to suppress the flow. Then after you think it’s

stopped – put the baby back on.

Nurse lying down on your back with the baby on your stomach.

Nurse on one side for 4-5 hours i.e. whenever baby is hungry during

a 4-5 hour period, put him onto the same breast. Then switch sides for 4-5

hours. This is what finally worked for me. Your breasts will eventually

adjust to this.

 

 

I would not recommend using herbs to

reduce supply. The herbs affect hormone levels. It’s a lot easier to

reduce supply than it is to build it back up. I recently had one breast stop producing

milk because I had such a severe mastitis infection that I could not nurse on

one side for a month. I’m back to “normal” now, but it’s

a lot harder than reducing supply.

 

I’ve included some links I’ve

found on the subject. They seem to explain it better than I can J

 

http://www.thebestfedbaby.com/breastfeeding/article.asp?A_ID=52

 

http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/lactation/qas/0,,534813_106426,00.html

 

http://www.geocities.com/pwrmommy/BreastfeedingLinks.htm

 

http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/lactation/qas/0,,534813_106421,00.html

 

 

I normally lurk, but since I’ve had

some experience with this I thought I should come out of hiding.

 

Tammi Upshaw

 

Dragonhealer

[dragonhealing]

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:19 PM

To:

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Re: [herbal remedies]

Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

Aimee, leaking and engorgement are uncomfortable, but you are

producing the milk for Quinn. How often do you feed him hon? Do you express the

milk in between feedings and store in bottles? What is your diet like right

now? Don't take antihistamines, there are natural means of drying up. I have a

feeling though that your body is simply producing the amount of milk your baby

needs.

 

 

 

 

 

Janet

 

 

 

-

 

 

Aimee LeVally

Harris

 

 

herbal remedies

 

 

Tuesday, March

11, 2003 5:51 PM

 

 

Subject:

[herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

My name is Aimee and my son, Quinn, is 4 months

old. For the last 3 months

we have been battling with oversupply issues

http://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm.

< for description of

symptoms and what not...

I've taken care of the upset to my son, but am

left dealing with the

engorgement and constant leaking. I am

looking for a natural remedy

to reduce milk supply. I am so miserable I

have even considered taking

antihistamines. Help!

 

Aimee

aimee

http://www.lightweb.net

 

 

 

 

 

Federal Law

requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

Your use of

is subject to the

Terms of Service.

 

 

 

 

Federal Law requires that we

warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

Your use of

is subject to the

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[Guest guest]

It's not the overactive let down that is troubling me, though that is irritating too. It's the engorgement and leaking during engorgement. I worked with a LC as well, which is why Quinn doesn't have any of the colic symptoms any longer, but I am still producing way way too much. I have always nursed on demand, and Quinn has always been a big eater, doubling his birthweight before he was two months. We have always nursed on just one side at a time as well, and began nursing for 4 hours on one side, and when that yielded no results I increased until I realized that I could satisfy his hunger without ever using a second breast. Nothing has ever reduced the supply. Quinn just nurses whenever he wants, sometimes 30 minutes later, sometimes 4 hours later. I'm quite certain that he is getting what he needs when he needs. As for the overactive letdown, he took care of that on his own. As soon as I feel the pulling sensation of the let down, he seems to know, and lets go right before it starts and latches back on after a second or two. It's just the engorgement and not being able to switch breasts that is really bothering me.

 

Aimee

 

 

 

-

Tammi Upshaw

herbal remedies

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:13 PM

RE: [herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

Aimee,

 

I too have over-active letdown – it started with my second-born (I’m on number four, now.) I worked with an IBCLE for three months to resolve the issue. Here are some things that my LC taught me, and they may help you as well.

 

First. Analyze the feeding schedule how often – all my kids nursed frequently – some feeding were even 45 minutes apart, but this was what my son needed. I still recommend feeding on demand – with scheduled feedings you can run into problems too.

 

 

If you can feel when you are about to let down – take the baby of the breast – put your finger over the nipple and apply gentle pressure. This helps to suppress the flow. Then after you think it’s stopped – put the baby back on. Nurse lying down on your back with the baby on your stomach.

Nurse on one side for 4-5 hours i.e. whenever baby is hungry during a 4-5 hour period, put him onto the same breast. Then switch sides for 4-5 hours. This is what finally worked for me. Your breasts will eventually adjust to this.

 

I would not recommend using herbs to reduce supply. The herbs affect hormone levels. It’s a lot easier to reduce supply than it is to build it back up. I recently had one breast stop producing milk because I had such a severe mastitis infection that I could not nurse on one side for a month. I’m back to “normal” now, but it’s a lot harder than reducing supply.

 

I’ve included some links I’ve found on the subject. They seem to explain it better than I can J

 

http://www.thebestfedbaby.com/breastfeeding/article.asp?A_ID=52

 

http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/lactation/qas/0,,534813_106426,00.html

 

http://www.geocities.com/pwrmommy/BreastfeedingLinks.htm

 

http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/lactation/qas/0,,534813_106421,00.html

 

 

I normally lurk, but since I’ve had some experience with this I thought I should come out of hiding.

 

Tammi Upshaw

Dragonhealer [dragonhealing] Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:19 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

Aimee, leaking and engorgement are uncomfortable, but you are producing the milk for Quinn. How often do you feed him hon? Do you express the milk in between feedings and store in bottles? What is your diet like right now? Don't take antihistamines, there are natural means of drying up. I have a feeling though that your body is simply producing the amount of milk your baby needs.

 

 

 

Janet

 

 

-

 

Aimee LeVally Harris

 

herbal remedies

 

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:51 PM

 

[herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

Hi,My name is Aimee and my son, Quinn, is 4 months old. For the last 3 monthswe have been battling with oversupply issueshttp://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm. < for description ofsymptoms and what not...I've taken care of the upset to my son, but am left dealing with theengorgement and constant leaking. I am looking for a natural remedyto reduce milk supply. I am so miserable I have even considered takingantihistamines. Help!Aimeeaimeehttp://www.lightweb.netFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Janet,

 

I feed him as often as he likes. Sometimes it is only 30 minutes between nursings and sometimes it is several hours.

I don't express between feedings because I do not want to send the message that that amount of milk is being used or needed.

Also, I don't need stored milk. We don't have any plans to leave him with a sitter, and if we did, I would rather pump fresh milk than

give him frozen. I can assure you that my body is producing way more than he needs or wants. He's only just turned 4 months old

today and has already gained 11 pounds (up to 19+ lbs from 8 lb at birth) and grown nearly 6 inches.

I wouldn't actually take antihistamines to dry up supply, we don't even drink cow's milk much less consume synthetic products.... I was just trying to make a point about how strong my desire is to get supply down to a manageable, comfortable level.

 

I have considered the milk bank, as here in Austin, we have one of the only ones in the country, but there are several reasons why I can't, and a couple why I just don't want to bother. Please don't think I'm being selfish, I have good reasons if you care for me to explain...

 

Aimee

 

 

 

-

Dragonhealer

herbal remedies

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:19 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

Aimee, leaking and engorgement are uncomfortable, but you are producing the milk for Quinn. How often do you feed him hon? Do you express the milk in between feedings and store in bottles? What is your diet like right now? Don't take antihistamines, there are natural means of drying up. I have a feeling though that your body is simply producing the amount of milk your baby needs.

 

Janet

 

-

Aimee LeVally Harris

herbal remedies

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:51 PM

[herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

Hi,My name is Aimee and my son, Quinn, is 4 months old. For the last 3 monthswe have been battling with oversupply issueshttp://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm. < for description ofsymptoms and what not...I've taken care of the upset to my son, but am left dealing with theengorgement and constant leaking. I am looking for a natural remedyto reduce milk supply. I am so miserable I have even considered takingantihistamines. Help!Aimeeaimeehttp://www.lightweb.netFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Aimee,

 

You made me chuckle with this, because you

just described my second-born, and Nathan (he’s 4 ½ mos.) to a tee. Nathan

pulls off the breast when I let down and just lays there with his mouth open

letting the milk squirt into his mouth. Since, you are working with an LC, I’m

sure you probably know this, but have you tried cold cabbage leaves? There’s

something in the cabbage leaves (Doc may know this, but I don’t.) that

reduces the swelling around the milk ducts. (Or something like

that.) Why does not being able to switch breasts bother you? (You don’t

have to answer that if you don’t want to.) Is it because that’s

when the engorgement hurts. (Let me know if you don’t understand what I

mean – I know what I’m trying to ask – I’m just not

getting it to come out right.) I’m also wondering if there’s

something in your diet or something that you’re ingesting.  Have you tried sage tea? I can’t stand

sage in anything. I got some when Josh was a baby, but I couldn’t stomach

the smell without gagging. So, I never tried it, but I hear it works.

 

Question for Doc – or anyone who

knows – What are the foods that can have an affect on estrogen and prolactin levels – anyone know where I can find the

answer. The reason I’m asking is because I’ve had the same problem

with each child – it gets worse after each one. So now I’m looking

into nutritional cause and effect.

 

AND

 

Does anyone know anything about research

done on serotonin levels and the amount of milk produced? I saw something on it

a while back, but I don’t remember where – heck maybe I dreamed it.

 

Sorry, I’m asking so many questions,

but I want to help Aimee, If I can. And I want to

learn as much as I can, as well.

 

Tammi

 

 

Aimee LeVally Harris

[aimee]

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:56 PM

To:

herbal remedies

Re: [herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

It's not the overactive let down

that is troubling me, though that is irritating too. It's the engorgement

and leaking during engorgement. I worked with a LC as well, which is why

Quinn doesn't have any of the colic symptoms any longer, but I am still

producing way way too much. I have always nursed on demand, and Quinn has

always been a big eater, doubling his birthweight before he was two months.

We have always nursed on just one side at a time as well, and began nursing for

4 hours on one side, and when that yielded no results I increased until I

realized that I could satisfy his hunger without ever using a second

breast. Nothing has ever reduced the supply. Quinn just nurses

whenever he wants, sometimes 30 minutes later, sometimes 4 hours later.

I'm quite certain that he is getting what he needs when he needs. As for

the overactive letdown, he took care of that on his own. As soon as I

feel the pulling sensation of the let down, he seems to know, and lets go right

before it starts and latches back on after a second or two. It's just the

engorgement and not being able to switch breasts that is really bothering me.

 

 

 

 

 

Aimee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

 

 

Tammi

Upshaw

 

 

herbal remedies

 

 

Wednesday,

March 12, 2003 7:13 PM

 

 

RE:

[herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

 

 

Aimee,

 

I too have over-active

letdown – it started with my second-born (I’m on number four, now.)

I worked with an IBCLE for three months to resolve the issue. Here are some

things that my LC taught me, and they may help you as well.

 

First. Analyze the

feeding schedule how often – all my kids nursed frequently – some

feeding were  even 45 minutes apart, but

this was what my son needed. I still recommend feeding on demand – with

scheduled feedings you can run into problems too.

 

1. If you can feel when you are about to let down – take the

baby of the breast – put your finger over the nipple and apply gentle

pressure. This helps to suppress the flow. Then after you think it’s

stopped – put the baby back on.

2. Nurse lying down on your back with the baby on your stomach.

3. Nurse on one side for 4-5 hours i.e. whenever baby is hungry during

a 4-5 hour period, put him onto the same breast. Then switch sides for 4-5

hours. This is what finally worked for me. Your breasts will eventually adjust

to this.

 

I would not recommend

using herbs to reduce supply. The herbs affect hormone levels. It’s a lot

easier to reduce supply than it is to build it back up.  I recently had one breast stop producing milk

because I had such a severe mastitis infection that I could not nurse on one

side for a month. I’m back to “normal” now, but it’s a

lot harder than reducing supply.

 

I’ve included some

links I’ve found on the subject. They seem to explain it better than I

can J

 

http://www.thebestfedbaby.com/breastfeeding/article.asp?A_ID=52

 

http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/lactation/qas/0,,534813_106426,00.html

 

http://www.geocities.com/pwrmommy/BreastfeedingLinks.htm

 

http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/lactation/qas/0,,534813_106421,00.html

 

 

I normally lurk, but

since I’ve had some experience with this I thought I should come out of

hiding.

 

Tammi Upshaw

 

Dragonhealer

[dragonhealing]

Wednesday, March 12, 2003

4:19 PM

To:

herbal remedies

Re: [herbal remedies]

Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

Aimee, leaking and engorgement are uncomfortable, but you are

producing the milk for Quinn. How often do you feed him hon? Do you express the

milk in between feedings and store in bottles? What is your diet like right

now? Don't take antihistamines, there are natural means of drying up. I have a

feeling though that your body is simply producing the amount of milk your baby

needs.

 

 

 

 

 

Janet

 

 

 

-

 

 

Aimee LeVally Harris

 

 

herbal remedies

 

 

Tuesday,

March 11, 2003 5:51 PM

 

 

Subject:

[herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

My name is Aimee and my son, Quinn, is 4 months

old. For the last 3 months

we have been battling with oversupply issues

http://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm.

< for description of

symptoms and what not...

I've taken care of the upset to my son, but am

left dealing with the

engorgement and constant leaking. I am

looking for a natural remedy

to reduce milk supply. I am so miserable I

have even considered taking

antihistamines. Help!

 

Aimee

aimee

http://www.lightweb.net

 

 

 

 

 

Federal Law

requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

Your use of

is subject to the

Terms of Service.

 

 

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

Your use of

is subject to the

Terms of Service.

 

 

 

Federal

Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

Your use of

is subject to the

Terms of Service.

 

 

 

 

Federal Law requires that we

warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Tammi,

I had this in my files regarding PMS, but it will help you in your search.

Suzi

Fiber-rich foods are particularly important in maintenance or restoration of healthy estrogen levels. In one study comparing 10 vegetarian women (eating 25 to 33 g food/ day) and 10 omnivorous women (eating 11 to 13 g food/day), blood estrogen levels were significantly lower in the vegetarian women than in the omnivorous women.16 Hyperestrogenism may also be improved with the addition of Lactobacillus acidophilus. This "friendly flora" appears to help metabolize estrogen properly in the bowel. The best sources of fiber are whole grains, legumes, root and leafy vegetables, fresh fruits, nuts and seeds. Cruciferous vegetables, in particular, contain an important substance called indole-3-carbinol (I3C), a compound that can actually alter estrogen metabolism in a positive manner. Eating organically produced foods can also ensure that pesticides, which can upset estrogen balance, are excluded from that diet. And protein sources that are hormone- and pesticide-free are sensible dietary choices.

Tammi Upshaw <Groups wrote:

 

 

 

Question for Doc – or anyone who knows – What are the foods that can have an affect on estrogen and prolactin levels – anyone know where I can find the answer. The reason I’m asking is because I’ve had the same problem with each child – it gets worse after each one. So now I’m looking into nutritional cause and effect.

 

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[Guest guest]

Aimee,

Try a mint tea... I know this sounds crazy but i dry up my goats with peppermint, spearmint, etc.... I would not do alot but a cup or so might be helpful... My does get the straight leaves.... sometimes I use tincture on their bags too... It works.

Suzi

 

Aimee LeVally Harris <aimee wrote:

 

 

 

I read about sage, but couldn't find any info on how to go about using it for decreasing lactation. I don't want to dry up my

supply completely, just make it more manageable.

 

Aimee

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 6:03:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, aimee writes:

 

 

You're right about the peppermint, but I read that babies shouldn't have peppermint, so I haven't tried it.

 

 

 

I have heard they cannot have peppermint eo around them, but never peppermint the herb !?!

 

Erin

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You're right about the peppermint, but I read that babies shouldn't have peppermint, so I haven't tried it.

 

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Suzanne Nottmeier

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Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:05 AM

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Aimee,

Try a mint tea... I know this sounds crazy but i dry up my goats with peppermint, spearmint, etc.... I would not do alot but a cup or so might be helpful... My does get the straight leaves.... sometimes I use tincture on their bags too... It works.

Suzi

Aimee LeVally Harris <aimee wrote:

 

 

I read about sage, but couldn't find any info on how to go about using it for decreasing lactation. I don't want to dry up my

supply completely, just make it more manageable.

 

Aimee

 

 

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Aimee, you are doing an excellent job. I think your body is mass producing to be ready for your little guy whenever he is hungry. Your pituatary gland cannot conform to a schedule unless you have one. In other words if you want to start feeding him every 4 hours with nothing in between, the milk production would slow down to suit this. I am in no way suggesting this though. It's just that when you are feeding baby whenever he needs, you are going to be at full production 24/7. And this is a good thing, although very uncomfortable. Something really safe to try would be drinking some red raspberry leaf tea everyday. It may help with engorgement issues.

 

Janet

 

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Aimee LeVally Harris

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:05 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

 

Janet,

 

I feed him as often as he likes. Sometimes it is only 30 minutes between nursings and sometimes it is several hours.

I don't express between feedings because I do not want to send the message that that amount of milk is being used or needed.

Also, I don't need stored milk. We don't have any plans to leave him with a sitter, and if we did, I would rather pump fresh milk than

give him frozen. I can assure you that my body is producing way more than he needs or wants. He's only just turned 4 months old

today and has already gained 11 pounds (up to 19+ lbs from 8 lb at birth) and grown nearly 6 inches.

I wouldn't actually take antihistamines to dry up supply, we don't even drink cow's milk much less consume synthetic products.... I was just trying to make a point about how strong my desire is to get supply down to a manageable, comfortable level.

 

I have considered the milk bank, as here in Austin, we have one of the only ones in the country, but there are several reasons why I can't, and a couple why I just don't want to bother. Please don't think I'm being selfish, I have good reasons if you care for me to explain...

 

Aimee

 

 

 

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Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:19 PM

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Aimee, leaking and engorgement are uncomfortable, but you are producing the milk for Quinn. How often do you feed him hon? Do you express the milk in between feedings and store in bottles? What is your diet like right now? Don't take antihistamines, there are natural means of drying up. I have a feeling though that your body is simply producing the amount of milk your baby needs.

 

Janet

 

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Aimee LeVally Harris

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:51 PM

[herbal remedies] Help a nursing mama with oversupply?

Hi,My name is Aimee and my son, Quinn, is 4 months old. For the last 3 monthswe have been battling with oversupply issueshttp://hometown.aol.com/davisrnclc/myhomepage/oald.htm. < for description ofsymptoms and what not...I've taken care of the upset to my son, but am left dealing with theengorgement and constant leaking. I am looking for a natural remedyto reduce milk supply. I am so miserable I have even considered takingantihistamines. Help!Aimeeaimeehttp://www.lightweb.netFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Aimee,

This is some info I found for you... i also found that there is a formula with spearmint and peppermint and other herbs for colic... but stay with the spearmint in a tea form only...

SPEARMINT LEAF (Mentha viridis) Uses: Spearmint is milder than peppermint and can be tolerated by most people. Helps with upset stomach and nausea, it is soothing to the stomach and intestines. Stimulates digestion, helps babies with colic. Description: Spearmint is an antispasmodic, carminative, diuretic, nervine, stomachic, and stimulant.

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You're right about the peppermint, but I read that babies shouldn't have peppermint, so I haven't tried it.

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Dear Aimee, I found my books!! Sorry it took so long. The book I am

partially quoting from is called Own Your Own Body by Stan Malstrom

N.D. M.T. and Marie Meyer Here's the scoop. To dry up the milk at the

termination of nursing: wild sage,yarrow, and parsley are the herbs.A

teaspoon of the dried herb to a cup of boilng water let steep a bit.

For the prevention of caked breasts: castor oil rubbed on the

breasts , with heat, or clay packs --put clay packs on after the

castor oil otherwise it will be hard to remove it feels like concrete

as it dries-- shower it off. Mix french green clay with an egg white

to a consistancy of medium thick gravy spread this on a piece of

soft cloth and then wrap everything with plastic wrap. Wear an old

shirt you were meaning to use for rags as the castor oil will

permanetly stain anything it touches. If you can't find the clay you

can use potatoe or onion packs-- dice the vegtables and mixed with

egg white. For sore nipples; apply castor oil, or honey, or Vitamin

E oil.

 

Massage lymph glands around the breasts and near the throat and neck

areas to get the lymph to drain. This is a light touch a bit harder

than a tickle,and towards the heart.

 

A case study was also written about a mother because her breasts

were swollen several times their normal size she used myrrh and

lobelia around the entire breast, especially the nipple area. Within

4 hours, the condition broke She then applied onion packs followed by

the clay packs. Within 2 days the problem was completely cleared up.

 

Well Aimee, I hope this helps --keep us posted with the success

stories of you and your wee one. Happy trails kim