Wintergreen oil

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Hi there...here is my reply...

 

> Hello all, just a quick question about wintergreen oil. I have a

> recipe for an herbal formula that calls for wintergreen oil.

 

*Supposedly* there is not any wintergreen oil available(gaultheria

procumbens) I have received a sample from a canadian company that imports it

from mexico...not sure about that one...wont use it on my skin...smells like

wintergreen...but I thought Gaultheria grew in northern forests- Ill have to

look into that one further...

 

> for clarification as to whether that was the wintergreen essential

> oil or if there is some sort of other wintergreen oil. The replies

> were that it IS the wintergreen essential oil.

 

Now Sweet birch(Betula lenta) is also called wintergreen at times- it is

also very high in Methyl salycilate...supposedly this is not available,

either- but a women who runs a distillery fairly near me gets some from a

friend who distills it in New York state- this I would trust more than

Gaultheria from Mexico...

 

>I did not think that

> one could use EO's safely with so little dilution. (there is twice as

> much wintergreen oil called for as olive oil and several herbs)

 

What herbs? What is the formula indicated for?

Now many herbalists have used essential oils in formulas for a long time-

without getting into all the fear based AT stuff- and the therapeutics of

Eos are comparable to those of the herb, if historically used as tincture-

because volatile oils are extracted into alcohol. One must use the essential

oils judiciously, though...

 

> Is

> this safe??? Or is there another type of wintergreen oil that is NOT

> the essential oil?

 

Well all the " safety considerations in modern AT " say dont use it...but I

have used tiger balm and white flower oil and other liniment balms which

have many of the no-no oils in them- used as counter irritants...

 

One might choose to use something they were familiar with - but one can

always experiment on theirself! I wouldnt make something to sell or use on

clients that I didnt have experience with myself...

 

Michelle

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> Any help is appreciated!!

>

> Meri

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I was wondering if either one of you could provide me with where you got that info as I haven't found it anywhere. I would greatly appreciate it.

 

Thanks and have a wonderful day.

 

Patty Corapi

 

In a message dated 12/4/02 11:50:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, mccoy writes:

 

 

>I wouldn't use it anyway. Methyl salicylate is a liver toxin. It is

>metabolized through the liver, and causes liver damage. I personally

>don't want to go there, or send anyone else there at my own hands.

 

Good point, and it needs to be repeated everytime someone mentions

wintergreen/methyl salicylate are mentioned. I'm horrified by all the OTC

products that tout them in the ingredients. I'm also glad that the smell

makes me ill, so I never used them :-)

 

> I am sensitized to

>Lavender EO, and I know of several others who have EO sensitization.

> This means not only can I not use it on myself, but I also can't use it

>on my clients. I can't even scoop out the Lavender buds to stuff eye

>pillows with, or to make the sachets we sell.

 

Could you elaborate on the symptoms of your sensitization? Many reading

this may have it, and not even know it, IMO. http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

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Meri-

 

I have heard it from more than one person who really knows the ins and

outs of the AT and distilling industry that there is no 'real'

Wintergreen oil being produced anymore. It is just so much easier for

the dishonest to sell you almost straight methyl salicylate instead.

Now, even if you COULD find real Wintergreen, just for argument's sake,

I wouldn't use it anyway. Methyl salicylate is a liver toxin. It is

metabolized through the liver, and causes liver damage. I personally

don't want to go there, or send anyone else there at my own hands.

 

Besides, any Essential oil that is used on the skin should be diluted

down to 2.5% for massage blends, if one is getting a massage about once

a month or less, LESS than 1% for blends that are used on the skin every

day, such as lotions and creams - and that per centage will depend on

the individual Essential oil - and perhaps a 10% dilution for a 'one

time only' emergency application, say if you are applying it to

shingles, for example. Anyone who tells you differently hasn't read the

information. Period. And saying that they have used higher per

centages and haven't had a problem is silly. Like playing Russian

Roulette and saying after the first two clicks, " Well, it hasn't killed

me yet! " It will if you keep pulling the trigger. I am sensitized to

Lavender EO, and I know of several others who have EO sensitization.

This means not only can I not use it on myself, but I also can't use it

on my clients. I can't even scoop out the Lavender buds to stuff eye

pillows with, or to make the sachets we sell. I have to have my

husband do that for me. And Lavender isn't nearly the toxin that

Wintergreen is.

 

Personally, I wouldn't do it. Figure out what you want the formula to

do, and research other EOs and other formulations that will do it for

you in a safer manner. You can always ask the people here for feedback.

 

Best wishes-

Lynda

 

falkirk333 wrote:

 

>Hello all, just a quick question about wintergreen oil. I have a

>recipe for an herbal formula that calls for wintergreen oil. I asked

>for clarification as to whether that was the wintergreen essential

>oil or if there is some sort of other wintergreen oil. The replies

>were that it IS the wintergreen essential oil. I did not think that

>one could use EO's safely with so little dilution. (there is twice as

>much wintergreen oil called for as olive oil and several herbs) Is

>this safe??? Or is there another type of wintergreen oil that is NOT

>the essential oil?

>

>Any help is appreciated!!

>

>Meri

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At 07:49 AM 12/4/02 -0700, Lynda Sorenson wrote:

 

>I am sensitized to Lavender EO, and I know of several others who have EO

>sensitization. This means not only can I not use it on myself, but I also

>can't use it on my clients. I can't even scoop out the Lavender buds to

>stuff eye

>pillows with, or to make the sachets we sell. I have to have my husband

>do that for me. And Lavender isn't nearly the toxin that Wintergreen is.

 

Here's a stupid question. What exactly does " sensitized " mean? It sounds

like you've become allergic to lavender. Is that what it means?

 

-- Sandy

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Sandy-

 

Basically, yes. It means I have made myself allergic to Lavender by

over-use. For me it means that I lose my voice, have problems with

breathing, etc. For some people it is a skin rash thing instead. Worse

case scenario means that you can go into anaphylaxis, which is when your

throat closes down and you can't breathe. Bad thing.

 

My way of explaining it to people is this- Everyone has their own

personal threshold that once crossed means you are sensitized to the

oil. For you that might be forty gallons of exposure to Lavender, for

me it might be 40 drops. But the unfortunate thing is, you won't know

if you are the 40 gallons or the 40 drops person until AFTER it has

already happened. And then you can't undo it. So why risk it?

 

Best wishes-

Lynda

 

Sandy Fields wrote:

 

>At 07:49 AM 12/4/02 -0700, Lynda Sorenson wrote:

>

>>I am sensitized to Lavender EO, and I know of several others who have EO

>>sensitization. This means not only can I not use it on myself, but I also

>>can't use it on my clients. I can't even scoop out the Lavender buds to

>>stuff eye

>>pillows with, or to make the sachets we sell. I have to have my husband

>>do that for me. And Lavender isn't nearly the toxin that Wintergreen is.

>>

>

>Here's a stupid question. What exactly does " sensitized " mean? It sounds

>like you've become allergic to lavender. Is that what it means?

>

>-- Sandy

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At 07:49 AM 12/4/2002 -0700, Lynda Sorenson wrote:

 

>I wouldn't use it anyway. Methyl salicylate is a liver toxin. It is

>metabolized through the liver, and causes liver damage. I personally

>don't want to go there, or send anyone else there at my own hands.

 

Good point, and it needs to be repeated everytime someone mentions

wintergreen/methyl salicylate are mentioned. I'm horrified by all the OTC

products that tout them in the ingredients. I'm also glad that the smell

makes me ill, so I never used them :-)

 

> I am sensitized to

>Lavender EO, and I know of several others who have EO sensitization.

> This means not only can I not use it on myself, but I also can't use it

>on my clients. I can't even scoop out the Lavender buds to stuff eye

>pillows with, or to make the sachets we sell.

 

Could you elaborate on the symptoms of your sensitization? Many reading

this may have it, and not even know it, IMO.http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

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At 09:00 AM 12/4/02 -0700, Lynda Sorenson wrote:

 

>Basically, yes. It means I have made myself allergic to Lavender by

>over-use. For me it means that I lose my voice, have problems with

>breathing, etc. For some people it is a skin rash thing instead. Worse

>case scenario means that you can go into anaphylaxis, which is when your

>throat closes down and you can't breathe. Bad thing.

 

Thanks so much, Lynda, for that explanation.

 

-- Sandy

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Sandy-

 

You are very welcome. I think because of my own experience I have made

it my mission in life to try to help people avoid such problems whenever

I see the chance.

 

Best wishes-

Lynda

 

Sandy Fields wrote:

 

>At 09:00 AM 12/4/02 -0700, Lynda Sorenson wrote:

>

>>Basically, yes. It means I have made myself allergic to Lavender by

>>over-use. For me it means that I lose my voice, have problems with

>>breathing, etc. For some people it is a skin rash thing instead. Worse

>>case scenario means that you can go into anaphylaxis, which is when your

>>throat closes down and you can't breathe. Bad thing.

>>

>

>Thanks so much, Lynda, for that explanation.

>

>-- Sandy

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Try www.glorybeefoods.com They have it in 2 oz, 4oz, and 16 oz. and at a good price. Patty

I was going to make some deep tissue repair oil but can't find

wintergreen oil locally. A few places I found on t

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I was going to make some deep tissue repair oil but can't find

wintergreen oil locally. A few places I found on the internet have

small bottles of it. Does anyone know of any place on the internet

that

sells it in bigger amounts?

 

Thanks

Karen in WY

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Check Stoney Mountain or Liberty Natural Products.

Suzi

Karen <blairkj wrote:

I was going to make some deep tissue repair oil but can't find wintergreen oil locally. A few places I found on the internet have small bottles of it. Does anyone know of any place on the internet that sells it in bigger amounts?

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How big do you want? I was able to get a 16 oz bottle from Stony Mountain

Botanicals. I think it was around $15 plus shipping.

Chris (NC)

 

 

> I was going to make some deep tissue repair oil but can't find

> wintergreen oil locally. A few places I found on the internet have

> small bottles of it. Does anyone know of any place on the internet

> that

> sells it in bigger amounts?

>

> Thanks

> Karen in WY

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You can cut down the recipe... 1/2 the formula.....that's what I did... Works fine/

Suzi

 

Karen B <blairkj wrote:

The deep tissue repair recipe calls for 32 oz. Stoneymountain was suggested and their prices look good. Iwas finding it for $3 to $4 and oz. A bit too muchfor me. I may let my mother-in-law make it and snitchsome from her! :)ThanksKaren in WY--- "C.A.Spence" wrote:> How big do you want? I was able to get a 16 oz> bottle from Stony Mountain> Botanicals. I think it was around $15 plus shipping.> Chris (NC) Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://taxes./

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I recently made a couple batches of a deep tissue oil formula, which had as

it's first ingredient, Wintergreen Oil, Gaultheria procumbens, and now I've

learned that Wintergreen Oil should never be used.

 

In the case that it is harmful, is there any way this can be modified to

make the wintergreen harmless, or another use found for it, other than to

dump it?

 

The formula was formulated by a Master Herbalist, who continues to produce

and market it. He claims that the oil is almost pure salicylic acid, while

aspirin is made from coal tar derived salicylic acid. Would not this be

safer then, than aspirin?

 

I'm sure he would know if it is harmful or not, and I do not believe he

would carelessly try to hurt anyone. Unless, is there another form of

Wintergreen Gaultheria procumbens, that is not pure essential oil?

 

Thanks for any thoughts,

 

Sandra

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This is one bit of wintergreen oil help I was able to find. I wonder if

someone could comment on this? Marge?

I was sent this in a private email, don't know what the protocol is; hope

I'm not doing anything wrong by posting it.

 

Thanks,

 

Sandra

 

 

'There's MUCH MISINFORMATION and DISINFORMATION about GOD's Healing

Plants!! A few years ago, the F.D.A. ISOLATED one Constituent from

Sassafras, known as Safrole, and gave it at 1000 times the NORMAL

Concentration to Rats and because the Rats DIED, they declared Sassafras a

TOXIC Plant and made Grocery Stores REMOVE it from their Shelves!!

Asparagus contains HIGH amounts of ORGANIC Arsenic, but we're told that

because Asparagus contains Arsenic, NOT differentiating whether it's ORGANIC

or INORGANIC, that it's a DEADLY POISON, but in REALITY, ORGANIC Arsenic is

NEEDED by your Heart to be HEALTHY!!

The Pits of Apricots contain HIGH amounts of ORGANIC Cyanide, but we're told

that because these Pits contains Cyanide, NOT differentiating whether it's

ORGANIC or INORGANIC, that it's a DEADLY POISON, but in REALITY, ORGANIC

Cyanide is used by your Body to DESTROY Cancer Cells!!

The F.D.A. would like to take Garlic away from us, because they consider it

to be TOXIC, but we have MANY Nationalities in our Country, who use it as

both a Food and Herbal Therapy. You and I both know that there would be ALOT

of Resistance to a BAN on Garlic!! FYI, the MAJORITY of the People, who

SURVIVED the GREAT Plagues down through the Centuries were HEAVY Garlic

Eaters!!

 

Wintergreen and Birch Oils contain HIGH Amounts of Methyl Salicylate, a

Natural Aspirin Compound, whereas MANY over-the-counter medications contains

Acetylsalicylic Acid, which is a SYNTHETIC Aspirin Compound, having MANY

Side-Effects. Wintergreen Oil is a VERY CONCENTRATED Substance, so that it

shouldn't be drank!

In case you didn't know, the Native Americans used MANY Plants for Healing,

and especially for Cancer, obtaining EFFICACIOUS Results, but these are

plants, which are considered to be TOXIC by the F.D.A.!! These plants

include Lobelia, Chapparral, Poke Root, Sassafras and Comfrey.'

 

 

You must use Wintergreen Oil, NOT a Dry Herb,

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I'm not Marge, but here's a bit of what I have learned. My understanding of

wintergreen oil, after talking with a couple of suppliers, is that it is

very hard to find true wintergreen eo, and it would be much more costly than

what is being sold out there. The chances are that what is out there is

cut, b/c the concentration of meth. sal. is unnaturally high.

Debbie

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Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:37 PM

Re: Wintergreen Oil

 

 

> This is one bit of wintergreen oil help I was able to find. I wonder if

> someone could comment on this? Marge?

> I was sent this in a private email, don't know what the protocol is; hope

> I'm not doing anything wrong by posting it.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sandra

>

>

> 'There's MUCH MISINFORMATION and DISINFORMATION about GOD's Healing

> Plants!! A few years ago, the F.D.A. ISOLATED one Constituent from

> Sassafras, known as Safrole, and gave it at 1000 times the NORMAL

> Concentration to Rats and because the Rats DIED, they declared Sassafras a

> TOXIC Plant and made Grocery Stores REMOVE it from their Shelves!!

> Asparagus contains HIGH amounts of ORGANIC Arsenic, but we're told that

> because Asparagus contains Arsenic, NOT differentiating whether it's

ORGANIC

> or INORGANIC, that it's a DEADLY POISON, but in REALITY, ORGANIC Arsenic

is

> NEEDED by your Heart to be HEALTHY!!

> The Pits of Apricots contain HIGH amounts of ORGANIC Cyanide, but we're

told

> that because these Pits contains Cyanide, NOT differentiating whether it's

> ORGANIC or INORGANIC, that it's a DEADLY POISON, but in REALITY, ORGANIC

> Cyanide is used by your Body to DESTROY Cancer Cells!!

> The F.D.A. would like to take Garlic away from us, because they consider

it

> to be TOXIC, but we have MANY Nationalities in our Country, who use it as

> both a Food and Herbal Therapy. You and I both know that there would be

ALOT

> of Resistance to a BAN on Garlic!! FYI, the MAJORITY of the People, who

> SURVIVED the GREAT Plagues down through the Centuries were HEAVY Garlic

> Eaters!!

>

> Wintergreen and Birch Oils contain HIGH Amounts of Methyl Salicylate, a

> Natural Aspirin Compound, whereas MANY over-the-counter medications

contains

> Acetylsalicylic Acid, which is a SYNTHETIC Aspirin Compound, having MANY

> Side-Effects. Wintergreen Oil is a VERY CONCENTRATED Substance, so that

it

> shouldn't be drank!

> In case you didn't know, the Native Americans used MANY Plants for

Healing,

> and especially for Cancer, obtaining EFFICACIOUS Results, but these are

> plants, which are considered to be TOXIC by the F.D.A.!! These plants

> include Lobelia, Chapparral, Poke Root, Sassafras and Comfrey.'

>

>

> You must use Wintergreen Oil, NOT a Dry Herb,

>

>

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Wintergreen oil is very strong in the same components as aspirin is. It

can help to take pain away.

But just like with birch, caution is required. Much caution.

You would not want to use it with someone who is allergic to aspirin or

already takes aspirin as a blood thinner.

I make an infused fresh oil in fall to add to salves etc., not as

potent, but safer and it works well for certain pain mixes.

C-M