schizophrenia and talk therapy

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In a message dated 3/4/03 11:17:58 AM Mountain Standard Time, lkledonne writes:

To me, it seems like something's

not balanced right in her metabolism or something.

You know how you hear sometimes that some people need

more of certain nutrients because their bodies just

aren't that efficient at processing them and getting

the most out of them?

 

The other side of the coin is that I've also heard it may simply be possible that these people have a higher need for certain nutrients than most people do, not necessarily because they cannot process them properly. Unless somebody else knows something I do not know. I suppose there are a million different possiblities and it may be one thing for one person and another for somebody else.

I read Abram Hoffer's book Orthomolecular Nutrition many years ago back in college, and I remember his basic main premise is that each of us has unique nutritional needs, and must discover, often through trial and error, what things help us function at our optimal levels.

The really bad thing about those drugs is that many of them are very difficult to withdraw from and they lie to the person about there being any withdrawal symptoms often and, well, let's just say, they are so desirous to encourage everyone to take their meds -- and a spoon full of sugar may help the medicine go down, but the fact of the matter is, that the withdrawal from some of those meds can Feel like a psychosis but often passes once the withdrawal is over, with the right care, attention to nutrition and whatever is determined that person needs.

I know a woman who has helped many schizophrenics get off prescription meds, and she is often willing to give free advice over the internet if she feels she can be of help. Her son struggles with it himself, so she went through the whole route with the mental health industry and finally decided she could help him better on her own, and did. Now she is studying to be a naturopathic physician, but she has helped literally thousands get off medications successfully, through the use of diet and nutrition...

Peace, Love and Poetic License,

Cathie

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~~~Cathy et al, thanks for all the information. I've

never told my friend I think she is crazy because I

don't think she is. To me, it seems like something's

not balanced right in her metabolism or something.

You know how you hear sometimes that some people need

more of certain nutrients because their bodies just

aren't that efficient at processing them and getting

the most out of them? It's obvious she believes what

she thinks is true. Most times I would say, not

living close to her and so unable to really check on

certain things she would say, that I thought there

were possibilities to her stories. She is convinced a

man has stalked her for years; who am I to disagree?

However, in smaller issues where she has allowed me to

follow her train of thought, I've seen the areas where

she has substituted her own belief over what she knows

is only a possibility, and has acted on those

possibilities. The last time she emailed me, she

started yelling at her stalker because she is sure he

is intercepting her mail and adding things, etc. For

that reason, she doesn't want me to email her anymore.

She is on some medication, I'm not sure what kinds

though, and she herself has told me she doesn't like

the way they make her feel. Perhaps structural damage

could cause these things too? Or maybe learned ways

of thinking too hard and creating massive grooves in

the mental pathways that are hard to hurdle or bypass

as time goes on. I don't know. It's a hard thing to

witness. She has always been such a kind friend to

me. She said she would call soon, but I haven't heard

from her yet. Hoping to encourage her to try some of

these things when she does. ~~

 

--- WillowShade40 wrote:

> ok, one more:

> just for the record, i have sat and listened

> to MANY delusions in my

> life from somebody very close to me

> i don't believe i ever in all those years (

> except for once or twice

> when i lost my composure ), even while he was trying

> desperately to CONVINCE

> me that his current delusion was real -- to

> " convert " me to seeing it his

> way, NEVER did I say, " look, you're having a

> schizophrenic break and you are

> Delusional. "

> Never.

> Never.

> Not once except when I lost composure a few times in

> many years.

> I sat and listened and said things like " I can see

> how you might come to that

> conclusion, but I see it more like this ... "

> I have dealt with delusions of the CIA

> Delusions of snipers in the bushes

> hidden cameras,

> conspiracy theories

> believing he body was buried in a grave in

> California and if he went looking

> for it he would find it there somewhere

> believing he caused the earthquake in Japan

> believing he caused the shuttle crash (years ago)

> believed *I* was a CIA agent

> accused me of being a CIA agent for telling him to

> brush his teeth

> refused to eat " CIA cookies "

> believing he had lice and scratching bloody holes in

> his head, setting off

> bug bombs in the house, and vacuuming the pets to

> rid them of the lice!

> The greatest Barrier to dealing with the situation

> of schizophrenia, is, I

> believe FEAR.

> I know because I have been there and done that and

> it is a very unimaginably

> difficult place to be.

> The best I could do was try to cook basic food group

> meals with whole foods

> because he would not eat what he would not eat, and

> would not take vitamins

> or supplements.

> I never never never except in a moment of emotional

> crisis myself, told him

> he was crazy.

> And he was NOT and " easy " schizophrenic -- he was

> often terrifying to be

> around due to the intensity of his emotional states.

> I've heard tell that blood sugar is an important

> factor for some.

>

> Keep Faith,

> Peace, Love and Poetic License,

> Cathie

>

 

 

 

 

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