re: Suggestions for a frozen shoulder

February 16, 2003

Hello Dan,

Homeopathic Remedy Aconite, is a homeopathic equivalent of valium but only works as a tranquilizer from 200c upwards. Caution stated is that it will make one too laid back if taking too many, so don't take if you need to be alert.

Lisa

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Daniel <danhb

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 7:41 PM

[herbal remedies] Suggestions for a frozen shoulder

I went through a shoulder injury two years ago when I ripped the rotator cuff on my left shoulder shoulder, and then the shoulder also froze. That basically meant all the tissue kind of goes nuts and glues together, and the shoulder is unable to move. Period. I lived in constant pain and slept on the floor for months since this was the only place I could get comfortable for a short period of sleep.I went through rolfing, massage, potent aromatic oils for pain, cortisone injections, and enough ibuprophen to poison my liver. I refused to take any narcotic based pain medication.To fix the frozen shoulder, the tissue basically had to be ripped apart again. (This really really hurts). Normally treatment is to put a person under and two or three beefy doctors move the arm all around and rip the tissue to make it moveable again, followed by a couple months physio. I would rather not be put under, as I don't react well to anesthesia. So I had all this done while I was fully awake. I was strapped to the table, my free arm was held down by two helpers (so I wouldn't hit someone involuntarily), and the third person, a physiotherapist and osteopath rapidly moved my arm to where it snapped so loud the receptionist in the next room heard it, (and my yelp!). Over the course of several months, I had this done three times. This was done with the full knowledge of the orthopedic surgeon. But I never want to do this again. But ... now for some unknown reason my right shoulder is starting to freeze. Not that uncommon for people who have had another limb freeze. I don't want to go through treatment again. I have an appointment scheduled with the orthopedic surgeon, but the 1st app't available is at the end of March. Physio starts next week. I'm tempted this time to be put under for the treatment!Is there is some form of natural help that others can suggest? I take vitamins, coral calcium (for the calcium and all the other minerals just in case I'm missing something) and I eat well. Don't touch sugar ever.I welcome any and all suggestions.Grampa DanFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

February 16, 2003

Hi Daniel!

I would suggest BF & C and deep tissue repair oil.

Namasté, Chris

herbal remedies , " Daniel <danhb@m...> "

<danhb@m...> wrote:

>

> Is there is some form of natural help that others can suggest? I

> take vitamins, coral calcium (for the calcium and all the other

> minerals just in case I'm missing something) and I eat well. Don't

> touch sugar ever.

>

> I welcome any and all suggestions.

>

> Grampa Dan

February 16, 2003

Daniel, modern medicine has once again taken a step back into the dark ages and tortured you to cure your torturing pain. I would strongly suggest giving Doc a call and developing a plan just for you to get these joints back in order. BF & C Formula and Deep Tissue Repair oil will definitely be a must for you - and guess what? They work without tearing your shoulder apart. Next time they try something like that I may have to go slap some peoples hehe!

Janet

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Daniel <danhb

herbal remedies

Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:41 AM

[herbal remedies] Suggestions for a frozen shoulder

I went through a shoulder injury two years ago when I ripped the rotator cuff on my left shoulder shoulder, and then the shoulder also froze. That basically meant all the tissue kind of goes nuts and glues together, and the shoulder is unable to move. Period. I lived in constant pain and slept on the floor for months since this was the only place I could get comfortable for a short period of sleep.I went through rolfing, massage, potent aromatic oils for pain, cortisone injections, and enough ibuprophen to poison my liver. I refused to take any narcotic based pain medication.To fix the frozen shoulder, the tissue basically had to be ripped apart again. (This really really hurts). Normally treatment is to put a person under and two or three beefy doctors move the arm all around and rip the tissue to make it moveable again, followed by a couple months physio. I would rather not be put under, as I don't react well to anesthesia. So I had all this done while I was fully awake. I was strapped to the table, my free arm was held down by two helpers (so I wouldn't hit someone involuntarily), and the third person, a physiotherapist and osteopath rapidly moved my arm to where it snapped so loud the receptionist in the next room heard it, (and my yelp!). Over the course of several months, I had this done three times. This was done with the full knowledge of the orthopedic surgeon. But I never want to do this again. But ... now for some unknown reason my right shoulder is starting to freeze. Not that uncommon for people who have had another limb freeze. I don't want to go through treatment again. I have an appointment scheduled with the orthopedic surgeon, but the 1st app't available is at the end of March. Physio starts next week. I'm tempted this time to be put under for the treatment!Is there is some form of natural help that others can suggest? I take vitamins, coral calcium (for the calcium and all the other minerals just in case I'm missing something) and I eat well. Don't touch sugar ever.I welcome any and all suggestions.Grampa DanFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

February 16, 2003

Bone Flesh & Cartlidge... the formula is in the files, under Dr. Christopher.

Suzi

Daniel <danhb wrote: I'm new to the group. What is BF & C. Is there some document that I should belooking at to understand the abbreviations?Grampa Dan>Message: 21> Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:37:00 -0000> "Chris Bartenbach ">>Re: Suggestions for a frozen shoulder>I would suggest BF & C and deep tissue repair oil.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington