Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 a 2 year old cannot sustain not being able to hold fluids, you must seek medical advice, i know this is an alternative group but this is not something to take lightly, get her seen NOW and if she loses consciousness or stops breathing before you get there CALL AN AMBULANCE i do not wish to alarm you, i am an alternative therapist, yes, but i am also medically trained, there is an underlying cause for this to happen and you need a diagnosis before you can treast it, whether with conventional means or alternatives. the advice given is sound BUT get her checked PLEASE In a message dated 07/01/2007 18:33:39 GMT Standard Time, laughingtoe13 writes: Please watch the quality of her urine. If it is becoming dark and quite strong smelling, I would recommend medical intervention Pedialyte popsicles are not too bad if not too alternative. They're usually available in the drug store, and if she is holding a fluid down for 10 minutes, some is getting absorbed. Flat 7-up, jello water, or bouillon can also be used, a light chamomille or peppermint tea are other options. _@AlternativeAAlt_ ( ) , " ccka2001 " <sacred65@..s> wrote: > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > Thanks, > molly Jay x Holistic Crystals www.wentworthemporium.com Fully paid up member of the Non-Domestic Goddess Club of Great Britain (please contact me should you require an application form... which you wont receive... obviously) it IS big and it IS clever If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. Yours dreams will come true....... if you take them seriously ) I only have a kitchen because it came with the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 yeah, i'll give you a break, i do have children, and i am medically trained so i DO know what i am talking about... the child needs to be seen by a doctor, and then can get what ever treatment she needs, children can very quickly become alot more ill than they first appear, and if you read what i wrote i too was asking the lass to get treatment and quite frankly if it take scaring someone to get them to react... so be it, and if you dont like that i dont really care In a message dated 07/01/2007 19:40:10 GMT Standard Time, kathy writes: Give me a break. Do you have children, she should call her pediatrician or nurse line, stop scaring her for goodness sake. Or the ER can give you some advise. I am hoping that if her child were to the point of stopping to breath she would know and have already taken her to the ER. Kathy Jay x Holistic Crystals www.wentworthemporium.com Fully paid up member of the Non-Domestic Goddess Club of Great Britain (please contact me should you require an application form... which you wont receive... obviously) it IS big and it IS clever If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. Yours dreams will come true....... if you take them seriously ) I only have a kitchen because it came with the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. I have been trying to give her little sips of water every fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. Thanks, molly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 You could try moistening her lips with an ice cube, or see if she will suck on it. Try giving her just a few drops rather than sips of water every few minutes, so that she doesn't have enough to bring back. , " ccka2001 " <sacred65 wrote: > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > Thanks, > molly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Have you tried Pedialyte? ccka2001 wrote: > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > Thanks, > molly > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 you can also pick up some pedilite(sp) from any local pharmacy. this will help in keeping her electrolytes in balance. i would suggest a few drops as well until she is able to keep fluids down. if this continues for more than 24 hours she should be seen by a physician as she may need to be on iv's for the dehydration. jenny --- jazzbvb <helen wrote: > You could try moistening her lips with an ice cube, > or see if she will > suck on it. > Try giving her just a few drops rather than sips of > water every few > minutes, so that she doesn't have enough to bring > back. > > > , > " ccka2001 " <sacred65 > wrote: > > > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly > for over 24 hours now. > > I have been trying to give her little sips of > water every > > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up > within 10 minutes. > > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on > how to avoid > > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we > ride this out. > > > > Thanks, > > molly > > > > > Immature love is loving someone because you need them, mature love is needing someone because you love them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Poor sweetie - of course, if this continues, you probably need to get her help. She could go into shock from the dehydration. But what might help in the meantime is tiny sips of Pedialyte. When her stomach settles, then follow the BRAT diet for a good 24-48 hours. Only give her bananas, rice, applesauce and toast. The other suggestion I'd have is a homeopathic remedy, but it can be difficult to find the right one. For me, when I get like this, Arsenicum Album works miracles, but only Veratrum Album helps my son. Cindy , " ccka2001 " <sacred65 wrote: > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Please watch the quality of her urine. If it is becoming dark and quite strong smelling, I would recommend medical intervention Pedialyte popsicles are not too bad if not too alternative. They're usually available in the drug store, and if she is holding a fluid down for 10 minutes, some is getting absorbed. Flat 7-up, jello water, or bouillon can also be used, a light chamomille or peppermint tea are other options. , " ccka2001 " <sacred65 wrote: > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > Thanks, > molly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 yes, when I mention medical intervention if the urine is becoming concentrated, I meant seen by a doctor promptly. , Purpledigger2974 wrote: > > > > a 2 year old cannot sustain not being able to hold fluids, you must seek > medical advice, i know this is an alternative group but this is not something to > take lightly, get her seen NOW and if she loses consciousness or stops > breathing before you get there CALL AN AMBULANCE i do not wish to alarm you, i am > an alternative therapist, yes, but i am also medically trained, there is an > underlying cause for this to happen and you need a diagnosis before you can > treast it, whether with conventional means or alternatives. the advice given is > sound BUT get her checked PLEASE > > In a message dated 07/01/2007 18:33:39 GMT Standard Time, > laughingtoe13 writes: > > Please watch the quality of her urine. If it is becoming dark and > quite strong smelling, I would recommend medical intervention > Pedialyte popsicles are not too bad if not too alternative. They're > usually available in the drug store, and if she is holding a fluid > down for 10 minutes, some is getting absorbed. Flat 7-up, jello > water, or bouillon can also be used, a light chamomille or peppermint > tea are other options. > > _@AlternativeAAlt_ > ( ) , " ccka2001 " <sacred65 > wrote: > > > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > > > Thanks, > > molly > > > > > > Jay x > > Holistic Crystals > www.wentworthemporium.com > > Fully paid up member of the Non-Domestic Goddess Club of Great Britain > (please contact me should you require an application form... which you wont > receive... obviously) > > > it IS big and it IS clever > > If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning. > > Yours dreams will come true....... if you take them seriously ) > > I only have a kitchen because it came with the house > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Give me a break. Do you have children, she should call her pediatrician or nurse line, stop scaring her for goodness sake. Or the ER can give you some advise. I am hoping that if her child were to the point of stopping to breath she would know and have already taken her to the ER. Kathy On Behalf Of Purpledigger2974 Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:43 PM Re: Re: My daughter is throwing up ALOT! a 2 year old cannot sustain not being able to hold fluids, you must seek medical advice, i know this is an alternative group but this is not something to take lightly, get her seen NOW and if she loses consciousness or stops breathing before you get there CALL AN AMBULANCE i do not wish to alarm you, i am an alternative therapist, yes, but i am also medically trained, there is an underlying cause for this to happen and you need a diagnosis before you can treast it, whether with conventional means or alternatives. the advice given is sound BUT get her checked PLEASE In a message dated 07/01/2007 18:33:39 GMT Standard Time, laughingtoe13 <laughingtoe13%40> writes: Please watch the quality of her urine. If it is becoming dark and quite strong smelling, I would recommend medical intervention Pedialyte popsicles are not too bad if not too alternative. They're usually available in the drug store, and if she is holding a fluid down for 10 minutes, some is getting absorbed. Flat 7-up, jello water, or bouillon can also be used, a light chamomille or peppermint tea are other options. _@AlternativeAAlt_ ( <%40> ) , " ccka2001 " <sacred65@..s> wrote: > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > Thanks, > molly Jay x Holistic Crystals www.wentworthemporium.com Fully paid up member of the Non-Domestic Goddess Club of Great Britain (please contact me should you require an application form... which you wont receive... obviously) it IS big and it IS clever If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. Yours dreams will come true....... if you take them seriously ) I only have a kitchen because it came with the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 I am medically trained also and I don't think causing panic is the way to go, I don't care what you think either. On Behalf Of Purpledigger2974 Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:47 PM Re: Re: My daughter is throwing up ALOT! yeah, i'll give you a break, i do have children, and i am medically trained so i DO know what i am talking about... the child needs to be seen by a doctor, and then can get what ever treatment she needs, children can very quickly become alot more ill than they first appear, and if you read what i wrote i too was asking the lass to get treatment and quite frankly if it take scaring someone to get them to react... so be it, and if you dont like that i dont really care In a message dated 07/01/2007 19:40:10 GMT Standard Time, kathy <kathy%40intellipute.com> writes: Give me a break. Do you have children, she should call her pediatrician or nurse line, stop scaring her for goodness sake. Or the ER can give you some advise. I am hoping that if her child were to the point of stopping to breath she would know and have already taken her to the ER. Kathy Jay x Holistic Crystals www.wentworthemporium.com Fully paid up member of the Non-Domestic Goddess Club of Great Britain (please contact me should you require an application form... which you wont receive... obviously) it IS big and it IS clever If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. Yours dreams will come true....... if you take them seriously ) I only have a kitchen because it came with the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 hi im billy so i just to know u more then we can talk chatting with both if your are interesting so add me on : billy_black2001 Kathleen Ramsey <kathy wrote: Give me a break. Do you have children, she should call her pediatrician or nurse line, stop scaring her for goodness sake. Or the ER can give you some advise. I am hoping that if her child were to the point of stopping to breath she would know and have already taken her to the ER. Kathy On Behalf Of Purpledigger2974 Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:43 PM Re: Re: My daughter is throwing up ALOT! a 2 year old cannot sustain not being able to hold fluids, you must seek medical advice, i know this is an alternative group but this is not something to take lightly, get her seen NOW and if she loses consciousness or stops breathing before you get there CALL AN AMBULANCE i do not wish to alarm you, i am an alternative therapist, yes, but i am also medically trained, there is an underlying cause for this to happen and you need a diagnosis before you can treast it, whether with conventional means or alternatives. the advice given is sound BUT get her checked PLEASE In a message dated 07/01/2007 18:33:39 GMT Standard Time, laughingtoe13 <laughingtoe13%40> writes: Please watch the quality of her urine. If it is becoming dark and quite strong smelling, I would recommend medical intervention Pedialyte popsicles are not too bad if not too alternative. They're usually available in the drug store, and if she is holding a fluid down for 10 minutes, some is getting absorbed. Flat 7-up, jello water, or bouillon can also be used, a light chamomille or peppermint tea are other options. _@AlternativeAAlt_ ( <%40> ) , " ccka2001 " <sacred65@..s> wrote: > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > Thanks, > molly Jay x Holistic Crystals www.wentworthemporium.com Fully paid up member of the Non-Domestic Goddess Club of Great Britain (please contact me should you require an application form... which you wont receive... obviously) it IS big and it IS clever If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. Yours dreams will come true....... if you take them seriously ) I only have a kitchen because it came with the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Ladies, Ok, if we are medically trained, lets show some poise in our approach. Yes, vomitting is a cause for concern with dehydration being the primary risk. It is not in and of itself a life threatening emergency even at 24 hours. There are certainly other more serious, but remote risks as well. As medically trained professionals are we not aware that there is no good to be done by flashing our credentials about who knows more or who's advice is better? Is any of us a Pediatrician? Do you as a professional want to lead someone down a path that may not be correct? Remember liability and you are legally held to the level at which you present yourself. Maybe that's not true in this anonymous environment, I don't know, but I feel it ethically. If we were trying to assess on line, we might ask about other symptoms like fever etc. The general advice given for ideas about fluids and what worrisome symptoms require urgent attention has been good. Let's not trivialize a a mother's concern, or her common sense. Speaking from my own perspective, I would be watching closely, going to ER if conditions worsened, otherwise continue to offer fluids frequently, keep fever at bay (under 100 orally or 101 rectally). Tomorrow, if no improvement, I'd call the doctor. Let's be kind, take nothing personally Linda > > I am medically trained also and I don't think causing panic is the way to > go, I don't care what you think either. > > > > > On Behalf Of > Purpledigger2974 > Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:47 PM > > Re: Re: My daughter is throwing up ALOT! > > > > > > yeah, i'll give you a break, i do have children, and i am medically trained > so i DO know what i am talking about... the child needs to be seen by a > doctor, and then can get what ever treatment she needs, children can very > quickly > become alot more ill than they first appear, and if you read what i wrote i > too was asking the lass to get treatment and quite frankly if it take > scaring > someone to get them to react... so be it, and if you dont like that i dont > really care > In a message dated 07/01/2007 19:40:10 GMT Standard Time, > kathy <kathy%40intellipute.com> writes: > > Give me a break. Do you have children, she should call her pediatrician or > nurse line, stop scaring her for goodness sake. Or the ER can give you some > advise. I am hoping that if her child were to the point of stopping to > breath she would know and have already taken her to the ER. Kathy > > Jay x > > Holistic Crystals > www.wentworthemporium.com > > Fully paid up member of the Non-Domestic Goddess Club of Great Britain > (please contact me should you require an application form... which you wont > receive... obviously) > > it IS big and it IS clever > > If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning. > > Yours dreams will come true....... if you take them seriously ) > > I only have a kitchen because it came with the house > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Hi Molly Have you received enough input yet? and how is the little one doing? Linda , " ccka2001 " <sacred65 wrote: > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > Thanks, > molly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 This sounds serious. It could even be appedicitis. I would take her to an emergency room. Take her temp and note other symptoms. Is she vomiting green stuff or having dry heaves? Does she have chills? Is she vomiting up mucus?Then call the emergency room and talk to a nurse.. Meanwhile give her weak peppermint tea with a spoon. Dilute with water by 1/2. Please do not delay taking her in. Peace, Thyme In the meantime, you could try weak peppermint tea with a pinch of lavender. Just add the herbs to boiling water and turn off and steep for about 10 minutes. dilute by 1/2 with water and give sips with a spoon. If there is no lavender at the grocery store just get peppermint. Celestial seasons usually has it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Yes, Linda, I have received enough input. Thank you for asking. She is still throwing up but not immediately following a nursing or sip of pedialyte, so she is getting some fluids. I am just keeping a close eye on her and working to keep her hydrated. If she is not doing better by tomorrow, I will bring her in to the doc. Thanks, molly > > Hi Molly > Have you received enough input yet? and how is the little one doing? > Linda > > , " ccka2001 " <sacred65@> > wrote: > > > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > > > Thanks, > > molly > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 The only time my holistic doctor would recommend Coke was for vomiting. Use a tsp every half hour or so. She said that it balances something or other (minerals I think) and settles the stomach. Kids don't mind being sick either! Healthier though is this recipe from www.rehydrate.org. This sounds like the UN formula I used to have written down somewhere. See below and keep us posted! Sharon There are several commercially available products but an inexpensive home-made solution consists of 8 level teaspoons of sugar and 1 level teaspoon of table salt mixed in 1 liter of water. The amount of rehydration that is needed depends on the size of the individual and the degree of dehydration. Rehydration is generally adequate when the person no longer feels thirsty and has a normal urine output. A rough guide to the amount of ORS solution needed in the first 4-6 hours of treatment for a mildly dehydrated person is: Up to 5 kg (11 lb): 200 – 400 ml 5-10 kg (11-22 lb): 400 – 600 ml 10-15 kg (22-33 lb): 600 – 800 ml 15-20 kg (33–44 lb): 800 – 1000 ml 20-30 kg (44-66 lb: 1000 – 1500 ml 30-40 kg (66-88 lb): 1500 – 2000 ml 40 plus kg (88 lb): 2000-4000 ml Technique Adults and children with dehydration who are not vomiting can be allowed to drink these solutions in addition to their normal diet. People who are vomiting should be fed small frequent amounts of ORS solution until dehydration is resolved. Once they are rehydrated, they may resume eating normal foods when nausea passes. Vomiting itself does not mean that oral rehydration cannot be given. As long as more fluid enters than exits, rehydration will be accomplished. It is only when the volume of fluid and electrolyte loss in vomit and stool exceeds what is taken in that dehydration will continue. When vomiting occurs, rest the stomach for ten minutes and then offer small amounts of ORS solution. Start with a teaspoonful every five minutes in children and a tablespoonful every five minutes in older children and adults. If output exceeds intake or signs of moderate to severe dehydration occur, medical assistance should be sought. , " laughingtoe13 " <laughingtoe13 wrote: > > Please watch the quality of her urine. If it is becoming dark and > quite strong smelling, I would recommend medical intervention > Pedialyte popsicles are not too bad if not too alternative. They're > usually available in the drug store, and if she is holding a fluid > down for 10 minutes, some is getting absorbed. Flat 7-up, jello > water, or bouillon can also be used, a light chamomille or peppermint > tea are other options. > > , " ccka2001 " <sacred65@> > wrote: > > > > My two year old has been throwing up constantly for over 24 hours now. > > I have been trying to give her little sips of water every > > fifteen/thirty minutes or so, but she throws it up within 10 minutes. > > She can't keep ANYTHING down. Any suggestions on how to avoid > > dehydration and help ease her stomach while we ride this out. > > > > Thanks, > > molly > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 It's been a while since the mother posted...have we had word how the child is now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Glad to hear of some improvement, you are a good conscientious mom. Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 I am not a lady. --- <laughingtoe13 wrote: > Ladies, > Ok, if we are medically trained, lets show some poise in our approach. > Yes, vomitting is a cause for concern with dehydration being the > primary risk. It is not in and of itself a life threatening emergency > even at 24 hours. There are certainly other more serious, but remote > risks as well. As medically trained professionals are we not aware > that there is no good to be done by flashing our credentials about who > knows more or who's advice is better? Is any of us a Pediatrician? > Do you as a professional want to lead someone down a path that may not > be correct? Remember liability and you are legally held to the level > at which you present yourself. Maybe that's not true in this anonymous > environment, I don't know, but I feel it ethically. If we were trying > to assess on line, we might ask about other symptoms like fever etc. > The general advice given for ideas about fluids and what worrisome > symptoms require urgent attention has been good. Let's not trivialize > a a mother's concern, or her common sense. Speaking from my own > perspective, I would be watching closely, going to ER if conditions > worsened, otherwise continue to offer fluids frequently, keep fever at > bay (under 100 orally or 101 rectally). Tomorrow, if no improvement, > I'd call the doctor. > Let's be kind, take nothing personally > Linda > > > > > > > I am medically trained also and I don't think causing panic is the > way to > > go, I don't care what you think either. > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > Purpledigger2974 > > Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:47 PM > > > > Re: Re: My daughter is throwing up ALOT! > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, i'll give you a break, i do have children, and i am medically > trained > > so i DO know what i am talking about... the child needs to be seen by a > > doctor, and then can get what ever treatment she needs, children can > very > > quickly > > become alot more ill than they first appear, and if you read what i > wrote i > > too was asking the lass to get treatment and quite frankly if it take > > scaring > > someone to get them to react... so be it, and if you dont like that > i dont > > really care > > In a message dated 07/01/2007 19:40:10 GMT Standard Time, > > kathy <kathy%40intellipute.com> writes: > > > > Give me a break. Do you have children, she should call her > pediatrician or > > nurse line, stop scaring her for goodness sake. Or the ER can give > you some > > advise. I am hoping that if her child were to the point of stopping to > > breath she would know and have already taken her to the ER. Kathy > > > > Jay x > > > > Holistic Crystals > > www.wentworthemporium.com > > > > Fully paid up member of the Non-Domestic Goddess Club of Great Britain > > (please contact me should you require an application form... which > you wont > > receive... obviously) > > > > it IS big and it IS clever > > > > If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a > horrible === Message Truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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