Attn Pet Owners

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www.onlynaturalpet.com

 

Since a lot of question about stuff for are pets have

come up, I came accross this site, and wanted to share.

 

Also while I'm looking around I have a cat that has been

pulling her fur out for year. She's a nut job. She been looked

at by 2 different vets over the years. Shes have blood test.

I think she has OCD. Well the last week or so she has really did

a number pulling her fur on her lower part of the spine, almost to

the tell.

 

I give her attn. I only have 3 cats. She sleeps w/the other cat, and

has now problem w/my other. I just don't get her. She more of a

dry food eater, not by my choice. I'm getting her to eat wet

Wellness.

 

The meds they wanted to put her on is bad for the liver, which in

that case I'd rather have a bald cat.

 

Pls reply to my email. I'm on digest here. Plus my email take a

very long time to be displayed in this group. UGH

 

 

Thanks

Vickie

[Guest guest]

Hi Vickie;

 

I'm sure you'll get this answer a few times but from what you express it

sounds like your little kitty is stressed to the max.

Even one other cat could stress her out or a change in the house hold. Cats!

They are so much like men eh? ha ha ha ha

Try perhaps difusing essential oils that are especially calming. Giving her

time alone and pamper her with cuddles and love if she'll let you. I really

can't see it being the food to make her do this action.

Good luck with her! I adore cats too. I was beginning to become the " old cat

lady at the end of the lane " ...but I moved. ;-)

 

Always ~ Kim

 

 

Vickie <vjunger wrote:

www.onlynaturalpet.com

 

Since a lot of question about stuff for are pets have

come up, I came accross this site, and wanted to share.

 

Also while I'm looking around I have a cat that has been

pulling her fur out for year. She's a nut job. She been looked

at by 2 different vets over the years. Shes have blood test.

I think she has OCD. Well the last week or so she has really did

a number pulling her fur on her lower part of the spine, almost to

the tell.

 

I give her attn. I only have 3 cats. She sleeps w/the other cat, and

has now problem w/my other. I just don't get her. She more of a

dry food eater, not by my choice. I'm getting her to eat wet

Wellness.

 

The meds they wanted to put her on is bad for the liver, which in

that case I'd rather have a bald cat.

 

Pls reply to my email. I'm on digest here. Plus my email take a

very long time to be displayed in this group. UGH

 

Thanks

Vickie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Good humor is the health of the soul, sadness its poison. " -- Lord Chesterfield

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am a holistic practitioner for horses, and when there is an animal that is

practicing a behaviour like this, it can represent a physical disorder like an

allergy (NAET) or BIOset. BTW I am getting my certification in BioSet (enzyme

therapy and allergy elimination).

It can also represent a energetic imbalance, especially if it is in a specific

location (spine/tail). Get Diane Steins book for Holistic Pet care and she gives

a lot of different ideas for things you can do yourself...you can work the

meridians that would open the energy pathways that she might be trying to do

herself, but is pulling her hair out instead.

 

The bladder meridian is on both sides of the spine from between the eyes, up

over the head between the ears all the way down to the tail. Working this

meridian very slowly and gently can do alot toward helping open the associated

points to the different organs, and help physiologically, mentally and

spiritually. Good luck.

 

Karen

www.kruegerhorsetherapy.com

 

 

 

Wee Angel <weeangel_99

 

Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:25:55 AM

Re: Attn Pet Owners

 

Hi Vickie;

 

I'm sure you'll get this answer a few times but from what you express it sounds

like your little kitty is stressed to the max.

Even one other cat could stress her out or a change in the house hold. Cats!

They are so much like men eh? ha ha ha ha

Try perhaps difusing essential oils that are especially calming. Giving her time

alone and pamper her with cuddles and love if she'll let you. I really can't see

it being the food to make her do this action.

Good luck with her! I adore cats too. I was beginning to become the " old cat

lady at the end of the lane " ...but I moved. ;-)

 

Always ~ Kim

 

 

Vickie <vjunger > wrote:

www.onlynaturalpet. com

 

Since a lot of question about stuff for are pets have

come up, I came accross this site, and wanted to share.

 

Also while I'm looking around I have a cat that has been

pulling her fur out for year. She's a nut job. She been looked

at by 2 different vets over the years. Shes have blood test.

I think she has OCD. Well the last week or so she has really did

a number pulling her fur on her lower part of the spine, almost to

the tell.

 

I give her attn. I only have 3 cats. She sleeps w/the other cat, and

has now problem w/my other. I just don't get her. She more of a

dry food eater, not by my choice. I'm getting her to eat wet

Wellness.

 

The meds they wanted to put her on is bad for the liver, which in

that case I'd rather have a bald cat.

 

Pls reply to my email. I'm on digest here. Plus my email take a

very long time to be displayed in this group. UGH

 

Thanks

Vickie

 

" Good humor is the health of the soul, sadness its poison. " -- Lord Chesterfield

 

 

[Guest guest]

research the bach remedies and see if one fits the cat's symptoms.

 

Judy

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Wee Angel

Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:25 AM

Re: Attn Pet Owners

 

 

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Your cat is allergic to flea bites. According to my vet, even one

bite will set it off so even if you have controlled the fleas on that

cat, any contact with another cat (or dog, etc) that has even one

flea can get another bite & reaction.

 

What I've found works best for my cats is a flea collar. I know

it's not a natural product but sometimes that's what you have to do

until you can find some other alternative. Watch out for most

flea collars. Lately I've the ones I've bought have a very bad

chemical odor. I finally found one at WalMart that does not smell.

I think it was a Zodiac brand & only costs 97 cents.

 

I've treated several cats over the years that have had this problem.

They would have patches of fur gone all over their body & once

I put the flea collar on them, it stopped. These were all outside

cats so that I couldn't control their exposure to fleas.

 

A 'natural' thing you can try also is to give the cat probiotics.

Most allergies are caused because the immune system is overreacting

to something and since the immune system depends on a good intestinal

system that's working properly, I would give the cat probiotics.

I've even found some specifically for cats at my local PetSmart store.

I have also sprinkled some powdered acidophilus (Natren makes it)

into their goat's milk.

Jean

 

, " Vickie " <vjunger

wrote:

>

> www.onlynaturalpet.com

>

> Since a lot of question about stuff for are pets have

> come up, I came accross this site, and wanted to share.

>

> Also while I'm looking around I have a cat that has been

> pulling her fur out for year. She's a nut job. She been looked

> at by 2 different vets over the years. Shes have blood test.

> I think she has OCD. Well the last week or so she has really did

> a number pulling her fur on her lower part of the spine, almost to

> the tell.

>

> I give her attn. I only have 3 cats. She sleeps w/the other cat,

and

> has now problem w/my other. I just don't get her. She more of a

> dry food eater, not by my choice. I'm getting her to eat wet

> Wellness.

>

> The meds they wanted to put her on is bad for the liver, which in

> that case I'd rather have a bald cat.

>

> Pls reply to my email. I'm on digest here. Plus my email take a

> very long time to be displayed in this group. UGH

>

>

> Thanks

> Vickie

>

[Guest guest]

Normally I'm totally against all chemical products, especially for animals.

I'm glad the collars worked for you, but I'd be very hesitant to have

something that toxic next to their skin all the time. I use to be really

afraid of using something like Front Line, but as you say, sometimes the

fleas get so bad I just needed something to kill them to give my poor

critters a break from all that itching. Well, I'm on a cat list where the

owner has spent countless hours researching everything for and about cats.

She even owned a cat magazine at one time, and during that time did a lot of

research into Front Line and even ran her own tests with rs to her

mag. She found out that Front Line is safe!! It works completely

differently than I thought it did. The chemicals in it (don't use Front

Line Plus as these chemicals are different) have no reaction with animals

but they interfere with insect nerves and that's what kills the fleas. So,

used correctly, Front Line is safe to use on both kittens and cats, also

dogs and puppies!! I really trust her information and can supply her

explanation here if anyone is interested. Front Line works so great here

during the bad season. We get into a bad 2 months of fleas that wind up

being almost impossible to deal with using any other means. Normally, the

rest of the year, sprinkling DE (diatomaceous earth) around the yard, house

and in the pets food and in their fur works good enough. But those 2

months--well, Front Line is a life saver, especially now that I don't have

to worry that I've poisoned my pets.

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

Your cat is allergic to flea bites. According to my vet, even one

Bite will set it off so even if you have controlled the fleas on that

Cat, any contact with another cat (or dog, etc) that has even one

Flea can get another bite & reaction.

 

What I've found works best for my cats is a flea collar. I know

it's not a natural product but sometimes that's what you have to do

Until you can find some other alternative. Watch out for most

Flea collars. Lately I've the ones I've bought have a very bad

Chemical odor. I finally found one at WalMart that does not smell.

I think it was a Zodiac brand & only costs 97 cents.

[Guest guest]

I would love to see that information. I wonder if any of the flea

collars use something similiar since some don't smell as bad as

others?

Also, many thanks to Joy for that info on dosage. That will help

a lot!

Jean

 

, " Renee " <gaiacita wrote:

> She even owned a cat magazine at one time, and during that time did a

lot of

> research into Front Line and even ran her own tests with rs

to her

> mag. She found out that Front Line is safe!! It works completely

> differently than I thought it did. The chemicals in it (don't use

Front

> Line Plus as these chemicals are different) have no reaction with

animals

> but they interfere with insect nerves and that's what kills the

> fleas. [snip]

> I really trust her information and can supply her

> explanation here if anyone is interested.

[Guest guest]

Here's the info I have on Front Line

 

 

Advantage is a lot more toxic than Frontline. (But it is less toxic than

Other things besides Frontline so it is 2nd choice in the chemical

Arsenal.) Frontline topspot takes a bit of time to kill the fleas

Because it has to migrate all over the body which takes quite a time. So

You can get a bite meantime - and although the flea will be killed soon,

And the Frontline will last longer than Advantage to kill fleas it was

Not soon enough to prevent the allergic reaction lasting weeks after a

Bite lasting a second before the Frontline became effective.

 

The answer for low toxicity and prevention of that first bite in

Allergic cats is Frontline spray - which you need only once - as after

That you can use the topspot monthly to pick up where the spray leaves

Off. The spray kills the fleas ALL right away - and stays effective a

LOT longer than Advantage apart from being a lot less toxic. For the

Spray to work, you need to also know how to use it. You must NOT bath

The animal as the Frontline needs to blend with the oils in the coat.

You must dampen the entire coat no matter how much or little frontline

Spray that requires. It will vary according to coat on the animal but

Dampening it all is the way that works.

Do this is a ventilated area like the back porch on a leash and no

Smoking! The alcohol base evaporates off but is very flammable (USA

Term) alias inflammable (other countries term).

 

The idea that some insecticides work better on some cats than others

Is a fallacy. The insecticides do not work on the cat - they work on the

Flea - and the toxicity to the cat is the only effect from the cat's

Perspective as an individual. If the chemical kills fleas better - it

Will do so on a cat or off it. This problem of flea allergy has to do

With preventing the first bite - and that is possibly faster with the

More toxic Advantage the *first* time you start to work on fleas. But

Once the first batch of fleas is dead - which works less well with

Advantage - then *maintaining* a flea free cat is easy with monthly

Application - and it does need to be monthly if there is a dog around or

Any other animal going outdoors or the cat goes outside.

 

If the cat goes outside you may need to use Frontline spray monthly to

Be sure the allerghic cat can get no flea bite.

 

Clearing an indoor-cat-only house of fleas is also easy: Indoors to get

All fleas out of a house where you move in and the place is already

Fully " occupied " , I find two or three months of Frontline spray monthly

Is all that's needed for all-indoor cats. After that there are no fleas

And you need no treatments.

 

So the matter of what to use has two factors in my book - toxicity is

First and prevention is second. Both those work better with Fontline -

Starting with the spray in allergic cats - needed once to get started -

Maybe twice a month apart in infested areas - then topspot monthly - not

Less often. It needs to be monthly I found in the research I did.

 

 

 

ALSO I have this information on file:

 

The active ingredient (in Front Line) fipronil, is present in extremely

minute amounts As you can see from the percentage on the label. Fiprnil is

very low

Toxicity - and has been tested for ingestion by dogs that I know of - I

Do not know about cats. Dogs needed to ingest more than ten pounds of

The undiluted fipronil to feel ill at all.

 

Also - the fipronil binds with the oils of the coat and slides down into

The hair follicles and so the main part of the product does not stay on

The fur but gets pushed out gradually from the follicles over a period

Of a month or more - hence the lasting (and waterproof) effect.

 

Most products are not waterproof so get groomed off:-) They also are a

Lot more concentrated (like Advantage for example) and have more toxin

Per volume.

 

The way Fipronil works has to do with the way insect nerve systems are

Set up - which is different from mammalian systems, hence it drives the

Insect and tick nerve system crazy, and scrambles the messages. The flea

Or tick with scrambled system will fall or jump off, and not be able to

Sustain themselves.

 

I've always been afraid of using Frontline or products like that

> on the animals, but it seems like most people here are saying it's safe to

> use? Especially on cats where they will be licking it?

 

The major test in France in 1996 involved over 3000 cats and kittens,

Using the spray version. The only adverse effect was on one kitten who

Got cold as the stuff evaporated. It was warmed up and was okay.

 

In the tests I arranged for my cat magazine article, including use on

Newborn kittens to geriatric cats - voluntary use after checking all the

Data and studies first of course - the main problem I saw was the

Carrier substance of the spray as well - the cats HATE that smell. Also

It is flammable (=inflammable in some countries) and anyone smoking

Nearby before it evaporates (about 5 mins) could cause a problem. One

Cat out of over 900, got itchy with the application site of Frontline

Topspot and I found the owner had been scratching it on instead of

Placing it on, hence breaking the skin. TopSpot was less effective than

The spray, which was no surprise. The spray was 100% effective for fleas

For 1 month and for a week for ticks.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the feed back.

 

Just to clear one thing, her fur pulling is not due to fleas.

 

There has been no fleas in my house, nor on my cats in years.

Thank goodness.

 

She does have OCD w/somethings she does, but this fur pulling

done the spin, close to the tell was a bit different. She has bald

spots on her front legs were she has pulled fur. I've caught her

doing sometimes and tell her no, but she doesn't like that. LOL

She is so different compared to the male cats.

 

Thanks

Vickie J

 

 

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