Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 When I moved to Peru I had sciatica in my left leg. The pain was terrible! A bruja told me to try chewing coca leaves. I had reservations because of a fear of cocaine addiction. She told me that coca leaves are natural and have been used as medicine for thousands of years. After a few days of chewing the pain went away. I hadn't felt so good in years! Unfortunately possession of any type of unprescribed coca product in the US is a felony. So now I take oxycontin daily for pain. It makes you feel like crap and you constantly have to increase the dosage. Maybe, although it is highly unlikely, but maybe, one day we will be able to use known natural medicines in this country without fear of imprisonment. Teachers Wanted - No Experience Necessary! " http://icanteach.199ebooks.com/ " Click Here All Natural Enhancers " http://www.xtremeherbs.com/?ref=1154 " Xtreme herbs ______________________________\ ____ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 I recently bought a bottle of AGWA, a liquer made from coca leaves out of curiosity. I dont actually drink so I tasted it..not enough to have a reaction and it has been in the kitchen cupboard ever since.It is made in the Netherlands.As coca leaves are illegal this might be a good alternative. Good luck Nicole rollouts <rollouts wrote: When I moved to Peru I had sciatica in my left leg. The pain was terrible! A bruja told me to try chewing coca leaves. I had reservations because of a fear of cocaine addiction. She told me that coca leaves are natural and have been used as medicine for thousands of years. After a few days of chewing the pain went away. I hadn't felt so good in years! Unfortunately possession of any type of unprescribed coca product in the US is a felony. So now I take oxycontin daily for pain. It makes you feel like crap and you constantly have to increase the dosage. Maybe, although it is highly unlikely, but maybe, one day we will be able to use known natural medicines in this country without fear of imprisonment. Teachers Wanted - No Experience Necessary! " http://icanteach.199ebooks.com/ " Click Here All Natural Enhancers " http://www.xtremeherbs.com/?ref=1154 " Xtreme herbs ________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 It may worked as a pain killer and not relived from problem. you consult experienced ayurvedic for a permanent relief. R.Vidhyasagar. India --- rollouts <rollouts wrote: > When I moved to Peru I had sciatica in my left leg. > The pain was terrible! A bruja told me to try > chewing > coca leaves. I had reservations because of a fear of > cocaine addiction. She told me that coca leaves are > natural and have been used as medicine for thousands > of years. After a few days of chewing the pain went > away. I hadn't felt so good in years! > Unfortunately possession of any type of unprescribed > coca product in the US is a felony. So now I take > oxycontin daily for pain. It makes you feel like > crap > and you constantly have to increase the dosage. > Maybe, although it is highly unlikely, but maybe, > one > day we will be able to use known natural medicines > in > this country without fear of imprisonment. > > > Teachers Wanted - No Experience Necessary! > " http://icanteach.199ebooks.com/ " > Click Here > > All Natural Enhancers > " http://www.xtremeherbs.com/?ref=1154 " > Xtreme herbs > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > www.Answers.. Try it now. > ______________________________\ ____ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 canabis & coca lieves what could be more natural pain relief from mother nature but the dea & the distilled spirits council keep these from people in severe pain Look at heroin for terminally ill cancer patients G>D> shame G. S. rollouts <rollouts wrote: When I moved to Peru I had sciatica in my left leg. The pain was terrible! A bruja told me to try chewing coca leaves. I had reservations because of a fear of cocaine addiction. She told me that coca leaves are natural and have been used as medicine for thousands of years. After a few days of chewing the pain went away. I hadn't felt so good in years! Unfortunately possession of any type of unprescribed coca product in the US is a felony. So now I take oxycontin daily for pain. It makes you feel like crap and you constantly have to increase the dosage. Maybe, although it is highly unlikely, but maybe, one day we will be able to use known natural medicines in this country without fear of imprisonment. Teachers Wanted - No Experience Necessary! " http://icanteach.199ebooks.com/ " Click Here All Natural Enhancers " http://www.xtremeherbs.com/?ref=1154 " Xtreme herbs ________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hello, thank you to the forum administrator for allowing post of this topic. I learned some of this history of this leaf. One can search for coca museum and take the photo tour. Also, VH1 aired a show recently, " the drug years " One can learn of the nutritional composition of the leaf too. A high amount of calcium, protein, b vitamins, vitamin A. People cannot live at that altitude without it. They can not work. The leaves are only 1% cocaine. It takes a lot of bush to make the drug. The plant will not make the precious ingrediant unless it is grown where it is...high altitude. Now the leaders of these countries are pushing to get this plant out there to the world, but not as a drug. I ordered some leaves and other products. I chewed the leaves all day, well I tried to do what I read about chomping the leaves, and then holding in ones cheeck near saliva gland. After a few days, I just kept chewing until I ate everything. The leaf cannot be sniffed by a ckoe addict dog, but if one chews the leaf, cocaine will show up in urine test. It is so interesting to read about the history of this, and how the pope and others all praised it, and Sigmund Freud really loved it. It was in every remedy. And especially good for dying patients when their family came to visit. Anyhow I chewed this leaf for 3 weeks. It completely changed me. !st day the air tasted better. I got this numbing sensation in my mouth and tongue. I felt better, happier. At the end of the working day, I wasn't that hungry, but then when eating, my hunger came back. I realized I had forgotten about smoking cigarettes. So Then I had to remind myself to smoke. The leaves make a mess in one's mouth and teeth. The contstant chewing feels really natural, like something you were designed to do with your mouth. I developed a slight ache in my lower back across my hip bones. In week 2 my back started hurting so much, I was almost debilitated. and my job requires heavy lifting. And then my body told me what to do. Tighten up my stomach, and hold tight while lifting. And then the pain disappeared. While I worked on holding the muscle (thought). So all my sugar and eating craving went away. My desire for coffee also went away. My head became so clear, and after 3 weeks, while I was talking, and just chewed and ate 10+ teabags, my words changed such that I was speaking the truth, without " thinking " about it. It was as if any thought could now be incorporated in an instant with everything I ever learned and experienced. I twas not possible to be sad. My desire for even the best drug disappeared, as I was feeling so good to just " be " . Another amazing thing was that know I could talk a lot more. This has always been the way things were for me. I'm highly intelligent, 45 years old, male. I was just dragging through life. Of course my life was pretty good. But now things were different. My brain could keep up with my children's It wasn't annoying me. I didn't have to search for something to say, or just snap back at them. Now I could take charge, and have all my words freely flow out from me, and they would be wise words. Also, I instantly dropped 5 lbs. I'm not overweight. I could go to sleep no problem, even though the food sticks with you for a few to several days. The clarity of thought, however, wanes within 30 minutes, unless you keep eating. My mind became a playground. I went about doing my job, in a more cheerful way, while my mind was also having many great thoughts, and figuring things out. So I became enlightened. And also, eating this most natural offoods. I just looked at what everyone else was eating, and what I used to eat, and didn't have to. Everything processed and cooked, and all the life gone out of it. So we have to eat a bunch just to get the slightest nutrition. I have been talking about my experience in the past tense, as I ran out of leaves and teabags. More will arrive soon. I am looking forward to getting back to my " happy place " . I could take all the supplements, do all the yoga, follow the Bible, but I never had the ability do fully entertain these things in my life. There was almost always this monkey on my back. I just figured that's the way it was. Is this the fountain of youth? The elixer of life? I'd say it cuts your age in half. For me , it's better now than any previous age in my life. God wants us to be happy. When we are happy, he feels our happiness. This leaf does not lead one to do bad things, it leads one to do loving things! Many people don't want to chew leaves. I didn't even know I was missing anything, until this. The monkey fell of my back! Anyhow it's available here. You can click on reviews there. Do you know why this drug was made illegal around 1900? The official reason: " It makes black men rape white women " . Miners in Peru could not work without the leaf. But with they can work, and evenkeep working for weeks without any other food. " If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad... " Thank you for this open forum, Victor www.compra-segura.com Many people look for supplement to treat this and that. It is much better to treat the whole body at once...just my thoughts...Go to the light...go to the love. After chewing this leaf, I began reseaching all sorts of things. And I found monoatomic gold. Perhaps there are monoatomic elements in this leaf. As they are akin to a biosuperconductor. All I know is what I feel, And I feel good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Just because a plant is " natural " doesn't mean that it doesn't have any negative side effects. It sounds more like you are on a constant slight high from the leaves. It's good to have energy when you need it, or have something to help you feel better when you start feeling down, but I don't know if a constant high wouldn't be addicting. Almost sounds like you already NEED these leaves to feel good about your life. Anything you take should help you to feel good beyond the use of the product, but it sounds like as soon as you stop chewing the leaves, you loose everything you felt while taking them. Or maybe I'm reading your note wrong? Just my thoughts. Samala Renee ---- Hello, thank you to the forum administrator for allowing post of This topic. I learned some of this history of this leaf. One can Search for coca museum and take the photo tour. Also, VH1 aired a Show recently, " the drug years " One can learn of the nutritional Composition of the leaf too. A high amount of calcium, protein, B Vitamins, vitamin A. People cannot live at that altitude without it. They can not work. The leaves are only 1% cocaine. It takes a lot of Bush to make the drug. The plant will not make the precious Ingrediant unless it is grown where it is...high altitude. Now the Leaders of these countries are pushing to get this plant out there To the world, but not as a drug. I ordered some leaves and other Products. I chewed the leaves all day, well I tried to do what I Read about chomping the leaves, and then holding in ones cheeck near Saliva gland. After a few days, I just kept chewing until I ate Everything. The leaf cannot be sniffed by a ckoe addict dog, but if One chews the leaf, cocaine will show up in urine test. It is so Interesting to read about the history of this, and how the pope and Others all praised it, and Sigmund Freud really loved it. It was in Every remedy. And especially good for dying patients when their Family came to visit. Anyhow I chewed this leaf for 3 weeks. It Completely changed me. !St day the air tasted better. I got this Numbing sensation in my mouth and tongue. I felt better, happier. At The end of the working day, I wasn't that hungry, but then when Eating, my hunger came back. I realized I had forgotten about Smoking cigarettes. So Then I had to remind myself to smoke. The Leaves make a mess in one's mouth and teeth. The contstant chewing Feels really natural, like something you were designed to do with Your mouth. I developed a slight ache in my lower back across my hip Bones. In week 2 my back started hurting so much, I was almost Debilitated. And my job requires heavy lifting. And then my body Told me what to do. Tighten up my stomach, and hold tight while Lifting. And then the pain disappeared. While I worked on holding The muscle (thought). So all my sugar and eating craving went away. My desire for coffee also went away. My head became so clear, and After 3 weeks, while I was talking, and just chewed and ate 10+ Teabags, my words changed such that I was speaking the truth, Without " thinking " about it. It was as if any thought could now be Incorporated in an instant with everything I ever learned and Experienced. I twas not possible to be sad. My desire for even the Best drug disappeared, as I was feeling so good to just " be " . Another amazing thing was that know I could talk a lot more. This Has always been the way things were for me. I'm highly intelligent, 45 years old, male. I was just dragging through life. Of course my Life was pretty good. But now things were different. My brain could Keep up with my children's It wasn't annoying me. I didn't have to Search for something to say, or just snap back at them. Now I could Take charge, and have all my words freely flow out from me, and they Would be wise words. Also, I instantly dropped 5 lbs. I'm not Overweight. I could go to sleep no problem, even though the food Sticks with you for a few to several days. The clarity of thought, However, wanes within 30 minutes, unless you keep eating. My mind Became a playground. I went about doing my job, in a more cheerful Way, while my mind was also having many great thoughts, and figuring Things out. So I became enlightened. And also, eating this most Natural offoods. I just looked at what everyone else was eating, and What I used to eat, and didn't have to. Everything processed and Cooked, and all the life gone out of it. So we have to eat a bunch Just to get the slightest nutrition. I have been talking about my experience in the past tense, as I ran out of leaves and teabags. More will arrive soon. I am looking forward to getting back to my " happy place " . I could take all the supplements, do all the yoga, follow the Bible, but I never had the ability do fully entertain these things in my life. There was almost always this monkey on my back. I just figured that's the way it was. Is this the fountain of youth? The elixer of life? I'd say it cuts your age in half. For me , it's better now than any previous age in my life. God wants us to be happy. When we are happy, he feels our happiness. This leaf does not lead one to do bad things, it leads one to do loving things! Many people don't want to chew leaves. I didn't even know I was missing anything, until this. The monkey fell of my back! Anyhow it's available here. You can click on reviews there. Do you know why this drug was made illegal around 1900? The official reason: " It makes black men rape white women " . Miners in Peru could not work without the leaf. But with they can work, and evenkeep working for weeks without any other food. " If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad... " Thank you for this open forum, Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 I found the website, http://compra-segura.com. Great place with lots of Peruvian good stuff! One question: if I order tea or leaves, will customs let it through? I am thinking chewing whole coca leaf or drinking the tea would be so much better for all my ADD buddies than all those horrid drugs. I'd love to try some. Ien in the Kootenays http://freegreenliving.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Hi. I just recieve my coca leaves, and many other products from the company. Don't get the green powder though. I never really drank too much of the tea. I need to get going. I chewed the teabags too, 2-4 at a time and adding some baking soda. I like the baking soda better, as it is a fine grain. I began eating the leaves 6pm, and then not a whole lot happening. But I just keep chewing. I don;t eat the leaf. When you chew, it dissolves by the chewing and the saliva in your mouth. When I chew the bags (opened and dumped in my mouth), it is hard to wet the whole thing with saliva, so the bags weren't kicking in until I got the saliva in there, and of course the baking soda, and then I was feeling a little but then once I smokked somthing, then got cottonmouth, and then . Theren are some really bad side effects I didn't mention. Luckily it hasn't happened to me tonight, that is accidentally biting my tongue, 'cause when happens, it hurts for a while, and is contantly touched and catches on tpooth. One night, I couldn't finish dinner, as I couldn't swallow any more. yeah, now I'm feelin really good...My orders go right through customs. I l;ike to chew it in my mouth and baking soda, and then spead over gums, repeat every 5-15 minutes, contantly chewing. Of course your teeth and gums and everything will green color. I think maybe after longer term, my hurting tooth (maybe hairkine crack, sensitive to cold) getting better. Ah, now I can get back on this diet, and not have the least desire for other dead food. Sure, a little bit of meat and bread, and other vegs. But with this one, when your bowels go great, then everything goes great. Their is power in your gut. My wife hopefully back sonn, she's gonna get it. But seroiusly, when one chews this leaf, one can only be moved closer to the spirit, the spirit of love. Once you get happy. Cruisin...Bye.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Hello everyone. I had posted previously about things I experienced chewing coca leaf. At that time, I felt a great desire to share my experience, as the experience caused great chanbes in my body, mind, and spirit. That was after 3 weeks eating (chewing) leaves everyday. I then ran out of leaves, and then I ate all my teabags. I ordered more, which took about 7-8 days. So when I ran out, I began eating like before. My old habits came right back. I drank my coffee and smoked cigarettes, and ate fast food.All the thoughts and happiness I felt have dwindled. I still remember them, but it is like I am back to where I started. Some effects have lingered. These include: My panta are looser. Either my scale is broken, or I really did lose almost 20lbs (180lbs to 160lbs) in 4 weeks. Another effect that is still with me is my bowel movement changed--not messy, not loose, no gas, no heartburn. And there is another effect, one that I hadn't really noticed, as I haven't been exercising at all really for the last year or so. Like when my daughter challenged me to see who could do more push-ups. She was pretty impressive, going all the way down to the floor and back. So I was doing them right alongside her. She started getting tired after about 10. Normally, I would have too. But for some reason, I was not getting tired, I could just keep going. I wasn't breathing hard, or shaking or anything. So anyhow, I received my order from www.compra-segura.com the day before yesterday. So that night, I ate some. Then all day yesterday, I chewed. I remember what I experienced before, and was anxious (in thought only) to get back to that special place--where my mind worked like a supercomputer without even trying, and happiness pervaded my ego, and I felt more spiritually alive. So after day one, what did I feel? Not much. It is as if I am beginning the journey anew. So here is what I have experienced so far (after day 1). Since my mouth is filled with a big green juicy mess most of the time, I did not smoke hardly any cigarettes. And of course, like before, the desire to smoke was gone instantly. Parts of my mouth would go numb-but not nearly as numb as when the dentist shoots you with novacaine. And I felt the cool freshness of every breath. And also, one prominent effect I notice right away is that I cannot yawn. So, during this first day, I kept waiting for something to happen in my head (like a great awakening as before). But iiit never came. My mind was awake. I could focus and do my job very well. But there was no extra happiness and no deep thoughts. I wasn't sad. Just a little more awake. So I will stick with my leaf-chewing regimine, and report back here from time to time over the upcoming weeks to communicate what happens. It took about 2-3 weeks previously, when all of a sudden my head cleared up, and my mind became a playground of thought. But for now, I am not changed. My mouth has a few sores where I had " biting accidents " . I realize these happen usually only when I have a very small amount of stuff in my mouth to chew on. So yesterday, after a big wad of leaves dissolves into a tiny amount of fibrous material, I spit it out, and refill my mouth, instead of ferociously chewing it into nothing. When I began chewing coca leaf the first time, I used the lipita as an alkanizing agent. On the 2nd day, I learned an important lesson with this stuff: I tried to bite a little off to put in my mouth, instead of shaving it off with a knife. When I bit a little, the tiny pieces went down between my gums and was burning really bad. And I could not get it out. So I will never do that again. I used the lipita for the first 2 weeks initially, but then switched to baking soda, as it is a fine powder, and instantly disperses into the chew. And also, I put some baking soda into my bag that held the lipita, and then the lipita got covered with powder, and became even drier, and hardened like concrete. So, in the 3rd week, when my mind expanded, I was only using baking soda. So yesterday, I did have one minor revelation: 1) It did seem strange that lipita is the company's #1 selling product, 2)I remembered reading somewhere that cocaine does something related to the flow of sodium ions. I don't really understand the chemistry behind all this. The lipita is a strong alkalizing agent made from vegetable ash. I think it is potassium based. And plus, I think it may have more " life " in it than a refined sodium based powder. So my only thought was that happiness factor that seemed to be lacking may be related to this sodium vs. potassium thing. So today, I will switch back to the lipita. Ok, so back to yesterday (day 1). I had previously stated that chewing the leaf had taken away much of my desire for other food, and definately took away my cravings for sweets. But yesterday, I ate a normal lunch, and also, surprisingly, I ate all my dinner. And then after dinner, I ate chocolate ice cream. And then after that, I ate some fig newtons. So it didn't change my appetite on the first day. I was chewing the leaf right up to dinner time. On my very last chew, I put in lipita instead of baking soda. Then, during dinner, I felt a slight wave of calm come over me. I did not chew any after dinner. I went to bed early (as I was up late the night before). So today is day 2. We'll see what the future brings...I have experienced some other effects, I'll save their description for future posts. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Pam wrote: > Hello everyone. I had posted previously about things I experienced > chewing coca leaf. At that time, I felt a great desire to share my > experience, as the experience caused great chanbes in my body, mind, > and spirit. That was after 3 weeks eating (chewing) leaves everyday. > I then ran out of leaves, and then I ate all my teabags. I ordered > more, which took about 7-8 days. So when I ran out, I began eating > like before. My old habits came right back. I drank my coffee and > smoked cigarettes, and ate fast food.All the thoughts and happiness > I felt have dwindled. I still remember them, but it is like I am > back to where I started. Some effects have lingered. These include: > My panta are looser. Either my scale is broken, or I really did lose > almost 20lbs (180lbs to 160lbs) in 4 weeks. Another effect that is > still with me is my bowel movement changed--not messy, not loose, no > gas, no heartburn. And there is another effect, one that I hadn't > really noticed, as I haven't been exercising at all really for the > last year or so. Like when my daughter challenged me to see who > could do more push-ups. She was pretty impressive, going all the way > down to the floor and back. So I was doing them right alongside her. > She started getting tired after about 10. Normally, I would have > too. But for some reason, I was not getting tired, I could just keep > going. I wasn't breathing hard, or shaking or anything. > > So anyhow, I received my order from www.compra-segura.com the day > before yesterday. So that night, I ate some. Then all day yesterday, > I chewed. I remember what I experienced before, and was anxious (in > thought only) to get back to that special place--where my mind > worked like a supercomputer without even trying, and happiness > pervaded my ego, and I felt more spiritually alive. So after day > one, what did I feel? Not much. It is as if I am beginning the > journey anew. So here is what I have experienced so far (after day > 1). Since my mouth is filled with a big green juicy mess most of the > time, I did not smoke hardly any cigarettes. And of course, like > before, the desire to smoke was gone instantly. Parts of my mouth > would go numb-but not nearly as numb as when the dentist shoots you > with novacaine. And I felt the cool freshness of every breath. And > also, one prominent effect I notice right away is that I cannot > yawn. So, during this first day, I kept waiting for something to > happen in my head (like a great awakening as before). But iiit never > came. My mind was awake. I could focus and do my job very well. But > there was no extra happiness and no deep thoughts. I wasn't sad. > Just a little more awake. So I will stick with my leaf-chewing > regimine, and report back here from time to time over the upcoming > weeks to communicate what happens. It took about 2-3 weeks > previously, when all of a sudden my head cleared up, and my mind > became a playground of thought. But for now, I am not changed. My > mouth has a few sores where I had " biting accidents " . I realize > these happen usually only when I have a very small amount of stuff > in my mouth to chew on. So yesterday, after a big wad of leaves > dissolves into a tiny amount of fibrous material, I spit it out, and > refill my mouth, instead of ferociously chewing it into nothing. > When I began chewing coca leaf the first time, I used the lipita as > an alkanizing agent. On the 2nd day, I learned an important lesson > with this stuff: I tried to bite a little off to put in my mouth, > instead of shaving it off with a knife. When I bit a little, the > tiny pieces went down between my gums and was burning really bad. > And I could not get it out. So I will never do that again. I used > the lipita for the first 2 weeks initially, but then switched to > baking soda, as it is a fine powder, and instantly disperses into > the chew. And also, I put some baking soda into my bag that held the > lipita, and then the lipita got covered with powder, and became even > drier, and hardened like concrete. So, in the 3rd week, when my mind > expanded, I was only using baking soda. So yesterday, I did have one > minor revelation: 1) It did seem strange that lipita is the > company's #1 selling product, 2)I remembered reading somewhere that > cocaine does something related to the flow of sodium ions. I don't > really understand the chemistry behind all this. The lipita is a > strong alkalizing agent made from vegetable ash. I think it is > potassium based. And plus, I think it may have more " life " in it > than a refined sodium based powder. So my only thought was that > happiness factor that seemed to be lacking may be related to this > sodium vs. potassium thing. So today, I will switch back to the > lipita. Ok, so back to yesterday (day 1). I had previously stated > that chewing the leaf had taken away much of my desire for other > food, and definately took away my cravings for sweets. But > yesterday, I ate a normal lunch, and also, surprisingly, I ate all > my dinner. And then after dinner, I ate chocolate ice cream. And > then after that, I ate some fig newtons. So it didn't change my > appetite on the first day. I was chewing the leaf right up to dinner > time. On my very last chew, I put in lipita instead of baking soda. > Then, during dinner, I felt a slight wave of calm come over me. I > did not chew any after dinner. I went to bed early (as I was up late > the night before). So today is day 2. We'll see what the future > brings...I have experienced some other effects, I'll save their > description for future posts. > Victor > > Hi Pam, Are coca leaves legal in the US? I'd like to try coca, but, unfortunately we live in a country where consciousness is considered something that can and should be regulated. -Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 In my college days I read a novel called ,[ Butterfly] it was a translation from English to Indian language Tamil. It was about a convict in french gayana prison and his escape and he explains his adventures.One of his room mate use to chew cocoa leaves and he was strong, and while escaping he gave half a leaf to this hero . he too felt strong. After reading it I brought the leaves from a Agricultural college student and tried it. I felt hot, may be due to excess metabolism At that time I felt it was unsuitable to Me. Of course the claims mentioned here in the letter are correct. The famous novel is papillon I think. R.Vihyasagar. --- Pam <localslave wrote: > Hello everyone. I had posted previously about things > I experienced > chewing coca leaf. At that time, I felt a great > desire to share my > experience, as the experience caused great chanbes > in my body, mind, > and spirit. That was after 3 weeks eating (chewing) > leaves everyday. > I then ran out of leaves, and then I ate all my > teabags. I ordered > more, which took about 7-8 days. So when I ran out, > I began eating > like before. My old habits came right back. I drank > my coffee and > smoked cigarettes, and ate fast food.All the > thoughts and happiness > I felt have dwindled. I still remember them, but it > is like I am > back to where I started. Some effects have lingered. > These include: > My panta are looser. Either my scale is broken, or I > really did lose > almost 20lbs (180lbs to 160lbs) in 4 weeks. Another > effect that is > still with me is my bowel movement changed--not > messy, not loose, no > gas, no heartburn. And there is another effect, one > that I hadn't > really noticed, as I haven't been exercising at all > really for the > last year or so. Like when my daughter challenged me > to see who > could do more push-ups. She was pretty impressive, > going all the way > down to the floor and back. So I was doing them > right alongside her. > She started getting tired after about 10. Normally, > I would have > too. But for some reason, I was not getting tired, I > could just keep > going. I wasn't breathing hard, or shaking or > anything. > > So anyhow, I received my order from > www.compra-segura.com the day > before yesterday. So that night, I ate some. Then > all day yesterday, > I chewed. I remember what I experienced before, and > was anxious (in > thought only) to get back to that special > place--where my mind > worked like a supercomputer without even trying, and > happiness > pervaded my ego, and I felt more spiritually alive. > So after day > one, what did I feel? Not much. It is as if I am > beginning the > journey anew. So here is what I have experienced so > far (after day > 1). Since my mouth is filled with a big green juicy > mess most of the > time, I did not smoke hardly any cigarettes. And of > course, like > before, the desire to smoke was gone instantly. > Parts of my mouth > would go numb-but not nearly as numb as when the > dentist shoots you > with novacaine. And I felt the cool freshness of > every breath. And > also, one prominent effect I notice right away is > that I cannot > yawn. So, during this first day, I kept waiting for > something to > happen in my head (like a great awakening as > before). But iiit never > came. My mind was awake. I could focus and do my job > very well. But > there was no extra happiness and no deep thoughts. I > wasn't sad. > Just a little more awake. So I will stick with my > leaf-chewing > regimine, and report back here from time to time > over the upcoming > weeks to communicate what happens. It took about 2-3 > weeks > previously, when all of a sudden my head cleared up, > and my mind > became a playground of thought. But for now, I am > not changed. My > mouth has a few sores where I had " biting > accidents " . I realize > these happen usually only when I have a very small > amount of stuff > in my mouth to chew on. So yesterday, after a big > wad of leaves > dissolves into a tiny amount of fibrous material, I > spit it out, and > refill my mouth, instead of ferociously chewing it > into nothing. > When I began chewing coca leaf the first time, I > used the lipita as > an alkanizing agent. On the 2nd day, I learned an > important lesson > with this stuff: I tried to bite a little off to put > in my mouth, > instead of shaving it off with a knife. When I bit a > little, the > tiny pieces went down between my gums and was > burning really bad. > And I could not get it out. So I will never do that > again. I used > the lipita for the first 2 weeks initially, but then > switched to > baking soda, as it is a fine powder, and instantly > disperses into > the chew. And also, I put some baking soda into my > bag that held the > lipita, and then the lipita got covered with powder, > and became even > drier, and hardened like concrete. So, in the 3rd > week, when my mind > expanded, I was only using baking soda. So > yesterday, I did have one > minor revelation: 1) It did seem strange that lipita > is the > company's #1 selling product, 2)I remembered reading > somewhere that > cocaine does something related to the flow of sodium > ions. I don't > really understand the chemistry behind all this. The > lipita is a > strong alkalizing agent made from vegetable ash. I > think it is > potassium based. And plus, I think it may have more > " life " in it > than a refined sodium based powder. So my only > thought was that > happiness factor that seemed to be lacking may be > related to this > sodium vs. potassium thing. So today, I will switch > back to the > lipita. Ok, so back to yesterday (day 1). I had > previously stated > that chewing the leaf had taken away much of my > desire for other > food, and definately took away my cravings for > sweets. But > yesterday, I ate a normal lunch, and also, > surprisingly, I ate all > my dinner. And then after dinner, I ate chocolate > ice cream. And > then after that, I ate some fig newtons. So it > didn't change my > appetite on the first day. I was chewing the leaf > right up to dinner > time. On my very last chew, I put in lipita instead > of baking soda. > Then, during dinner, I felt a slight wave of calm > come over me. I > did not chew any after dinner. I went to bed early > (as I was up late > the night before). So today is day 2. We'll see what > the future > brings...I have experienced some other effects, I'll > save their > description for future posts. > Victor > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 I am quite interested in this, but have no desire to chew a mass of leaves all day! What happens if you just drink a cup of tea now and then? And: where do you live? Are you in the USA or Canada? ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 I also would like to know if you live in the US and whether you had a problem getting them delivered to you. Thanks - Pam Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:56 AM Re:chewing coca leaves Hello everyone. I had posted previously about things I experienced chewing coca leaf. At that time, I felt a great desire to share my experience, as the experience caused great chanbes in my body, mind, and spirit. That was after 3 weeks eating (chewing) leaves everyday. I then ran out of leaves, and then I ate all my teabags. I ordered more, which took about 7-8 days. So when I ran out, I began eating like before. My old habits came right back. I drank my coffee and smoked cigarettes, and ate fast food.All the thoughts and happiness I felt have dwindled. I still remember them, but it is like I am back to where I started. Some effects have lingered. These include: My panta are looser. Either my scale is broken, or I really did lose almost 20lbs (180lbs to 160lbs) in 4 weeks. Another effect that is still with me is my bowel movement changed--not messy, not loose, no gas, no heartburn. And there is another effect, one that I hadn't really noticed, as I haven't been exercising at all really for the last year or so. Like when my daughter challenged me to see who could do more push-ups. She was pretty impressive, going all the way down to the floor and back. So I was doing them right alongside her. She started getting tired after about 10. Normally, I would have too. But for some reason, I was not getting tired, I could just keep going. I wasn't breathing hard, or shaking or anything. So anyhow, I received my order from www.compra-segura.com the day before yesterday. So that night, I ate some. Then all day yesterday, I chewed. I remember what I experienced before, and was anxious (in thought only) to get back to that special place--where my mind worked like a supercomputer without even trying, and happiness pervaded my ego, and I felt more spiritually alive. So after day one, what did I feel? Not much. It is as if I am beginning the journey anew. So here is what I have experienced so far (after day 1). Since my mouth is filled with a big green juicy mess most of the time, I did not smoke hardly any cigarettes. And of course, like before, the desire to smoke was gone instantly. Parts of my mouth would go numb-but not nearly as numb as when the dentist shoots you with novacaine. And I felt the cool freshness of every breath. And also, one prominent effect I notice right away is that I cannot yawn. So, during this first day, I kept waiting for something to happen in my head (like a great awakening as before). But iiit never came. My mind was awake. I could focus and do my job very well. But there was no extra happiness and no deep thoughts. I wasn't sad. Just a little more awake. So I will stick with my leaf-chewing regimine, and report back here from time to time over the upcoming weeks to communicate what happens. It took about 2-3 weeks previously, when all of a sudden my head cleared up, and my mind became a playground of thought. But for now, I am not changed. My mouth has a few sores where I had " biting accidents " . I realize these happen usually only when I have a very small amount of stuff in my mouth to chew on. So yesterday, after a big wad of leaves dissolves into a tiny amount of fibrous material, I spit it out, and refill my mouth, instead of ferociously chewing it into nothing. When I began chewing coca leaf the first time, I used the lipita as an alkanizing agent. On the 2nd day, I learned an important lesson with this stuff: I tried to bite a little off to put in my mouth, instead of shaving it off with a knife. When I bit a little, the tiny pieces went down between my gums and was burning really bad. And I could not get it out. So I will never do that again. I used the lipita for the first 2 weeks initially, but then switched to baking soda, as it is a fine powder, and instantly disperses into the chew. And also, I put some baking soda into my bag that held the lipita, and then the lipita got covered with powder, and became even drier, and hardened like concrete. So, in the 3rd week, when my mind expanded, I was only using baking soda. So yesterday, I did have one minor revelation: 1) It did seem strange that lipita is the company's #1 selling product, 2)I remembered reading somewhere that cocaine does something related to the flow of sodium ions. I don't really understand the chemistry behind all this. The lipita is a strong alkalizing agent made from vegetable ash. I think it is potassium based. And plus, I think it may have more " life " in it than a refined sodium based powder. So my only thought was that happiness factor that seemed to be lacking may be related to this sodium vs. potassium thing. So today, I will switch back to the lipita. Ok, so back to yesterday (day 1). I had previously stated that chewing the leaf had taken away much of my desire for other food, and definately took away my cravings for sweets. But yesterday, I ate a normal lunch, and also, surprisingly, I ate all my dinner. And then after dinner, I ate chocolate ice cream. And then after that, I ate some fig newtons. So it didn't change my appetite on the first day. I was chewing the leaf right up to dinner time. On my very last chew, I put in lipita instead of baking soda. Then, during dinner, I felt a slight wave of calm come over me. I did not chew any after dinner. I went to bed early (as I was up late the night before). So today is day 2. We'll see what the future brings...I have experienced some other effects, I'll save their description for future posts. 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Oxycontin is addictive. For sciatica, take black cohosh capsules -- 2 caps 3-4 times a day. Will ease spasms and ease pain too. Very warm 20 minute soaks in the tub with 2 cups of Epsom salts to which you have added 20 drops each of lavender and birch essential oils-- Morning and at bedtime. At bedtime massage area with castor oil,( and can add 10 drops of each essential oil mentioned to one Tablespoon of oil) Epsom salts are pure magnesium which will be absorbed into the body. Magnesium is needed for the elasticity of the muscles. Take 200 mcg chromium picolinate per day, usually is dosage of one cap. To strengthen muscles. Castor oil is very healing, Palma Christi is Latin name and translates to the hand of Christ. I healed myself with this method. Once in a while I still get an episode but it is very mild and years apart. Mostly if I wear anything tight in the crotch area and/or waist area, so have learned to wear loose pants only and my secret is no underwear except for Mens Hanes with the longer leg. don't expect instant results and don't give up on this method as it will work sooner or later and bring lasting relief. In the meantime carry a cane for use when the spasms hit. Is it illegal to plant a coca tree? Probably so! Peace on Earth, Thyme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 , " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan wrote: > > I am quite interested in this, but have no > desire to chew a mass of leaves all day! > What happens if you just drink a cup of > tea now and then? > > And: where do you live? Are you in > the USA or Canada? > ----- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Sorry for sounding dizzy here. I've been reading all the emails on this topic. Do you mean coca leaves as in cacaine or cocoa leaves as in chocolate? thanks Pam <localslave wrote: Hello everyone. I had posted previously about things I experienced chewing coca leaf. At that time, I felt a great desire to share my experience, as the experience caused great chanbes in my body, mind, and spirit. That was after 3 weeks eating (chewing) leaves everyday. I then ran out of leaves, and then I ate all my teabags. I ordered more, which took about 7-8 days. So when I ran out, I began eating like before. My old habits came right back. I drank my coffee and smoked cigarettes, and ate fast food.All the thoughts and happiness I felt have dwindled. I still remember them, but it is like I am back to where I started. Some effects have lingered. These include: My panta are looser. Either my scale is broken, or I really did lose almost 20lbs (180lbs to 160lbs) in 4 weeks. Another effect that is still with me is my bowel movement changed--not messy, not loose, no gas, no heartburn. And there is another effect, one that I hadn't really noticed, as I haven't been exercising at all really for the last year or so. Like when my daughter challenged me to see who could do more push-ups. She was pretty impressive, going all the way down to the floor and back. So I was doing them right alongside her. She started getting tired after about 10. Normally, I would have too. But for some reason, I was not getting tired, I could just keep going. I wasn't breathing hard, or shaking or anything. So anyhow, I received my order from www.compra-segura.com the day before yesterday. So that night, I ate some. Then all day yesterday, I chewed. I remember what I experienced before, and was anxious (in thought only) to get back to that special place--where my mind worked like a supercomputer without even trying, and happiness pervaded my ego, and I felt more spiritually alive. So after day one, what did I feel? Not much. It is as if I am beginning the journey anew. So here is what I have experienced so far (after day 1). Since my mouth is filled with a big green juicy mess most of the time, I did not smoke hardly any cigarettes. And of course, like before, the desire to smoke was gone instantly. Parts of my mouth would go numb-but not nearly as numb as when the dentist shoots you with novacaine. And I felt the cool freshness of every breath. And also, one prominent effect I notice right away is that I cannot yawn. So, during this first day, I kept waiting for something to happen in my head (like a great awakening as before). But iiit never came. My mind was awake. I could focus and do my job very well. But there was no extra happiness and no deep thoughts. I wasn't sad. Just a little more awake. So I will stick with my leaf-chewing regimine, and report back here from time to time over the upcoming weeks to communicate what happens. It took about 2-3 weeks previously, when all of a sudden my head cleared up, and my mind became a playground of thought. But for now, I am not changed. My mouth has a few sores where I had " biting accidents " . I realize these happen usually only when I have a very small amount of stuff in my mouth to chew on. So yesterday, after a big wad of leaves dissolves into a tiny amount of fibrous material, I spit it out, and refill my mouth, instead of ferociously chewing it into nothing. When I began chewing coca leaf the first time, I used the lipita as an alkanizing agent. On the 2nd day, I learned an important lesson with this stuff: I tried to bite a little off to put in my mouth, instead of shaving it off with a knife. When I bit a little, the tiny pieces went down between my gums and was burning really bad. And I could not get it out. So I will never do that again. I used the lipita for the first 2 weeks initially, but then switched to baking soda, as it is a fine powder, and instantly disperses into the chew. And also, I put some baking soda into my bag that held the lipita, and then the lipita got covered with powder, and became even drier, and hardened like concrete. So, in the 3rd week, when my mind expanded, I was only using baking soda. So yesterday, I did have one minor revelation: 1) It did seem strange that lipita is the company's #1 selling product, 2)I remembered reading somewhere that cocaine does something related to the flow of sodium ions. I don't really understand the chemistry behind all this. The lipita is a strong alkalizing agent made from vegetable ash. I think it is potassium based. And plus, I think it may have more " life " in it than a refined sodium based powder. So my only thought was that happiness factor that seemed to be lacking may be related to this sodium vs. potassium thing. So today, I will switch back to the lipita. Ok, so back to yesterday (day 1). I had previously stated that chewing the leaf had taken away much of my desire for other food, and definately took away my cravings for sweets. But yesterday, I ate a normal lunch, and also, surprisingly, I ate all my dinner. And then after dinner, I ate chocolate ice cream. And then after that, I ate some fig newtons. So it didn't change my appetite on the first day. I was chewing the leaf right up to dinner time. On my very last chew, I put in lipita instead of baking soda. Then, during dinner, I felt a slight wave of calm come over me. I did not chew any after dinner. I went to bed early (as I was up late the night before). So today is day 2. We'll see what the future brings...I have experienced some other effects, I'll save their description for future posts. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 http://www.cocamuseum.com/main.htm Look at the nutritional info by harvard study. It has a lot of calcium and vit a. I started with this: http://tinyurl.com/ygr5o7 It's just something I always wanted to try. I now I can. It sure changed the way I eat. And it saves me a lot of money. It take the place of ciggs, soda, sweets, food, and even drugs! I just don't want any of it any more. It makes me wonder why we are not eating more leaves. I'd like to try some ginko biloba tree leaves if anyone knows where to buy some. I mean the leaves actually taste good. Also it is the secret ingredient of coca-cola. Coca-cola imports massive tons of leaves every year. They have to take the cocaine out of it, and it's only use today is eye surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 When I was in Peru. they didn't chew but make tea with cola leaves, it gives a lot of energy. , nkechi mola <nkmola wrote: > > Sorry for sounding dizzy here. I've been reading all the emails on this topic. > Do you mean coca leaves as in cacaine or cocoa leaves as in chocolate? > > thanks > > > Pam localslave wrote: > Hello everyone. I had posted previously about things I experienced > chewing coca leaf. At that time, I felt a great desire to share my > experience, as the experience caused great chanbes in my body, mind, > and spirit. That was after 3 weeks eating (chewing) leaves everyday. > I then ran out of leaves, and then I ate all my teabags. I ordered > more, which took about 7-8 days. So when I ran out, I began eating > like before. My old habits came right back. I drank my coffee and > smoked cigarettes, and ate fast food.All the thoughts and happiness > I felt have dwindled. I still remember them, but it is like I am > back to where I started. Some effects have lingered. These include: > My panta are looser. Either my scale is broken, or I really did lose > almost 20lbs (180lbs to 160lbs) in 4 weeks. Another effect that is > still with me is my bowel movement changed--not messy, not loose, no > gas, no heartburn. And there is another effect, one that I hadn't > really noticed, as I haven't been exercising at all really for the > last year or so. Like when my daughter challenged me to see who > could do more push-ups. She was pretty impressive, going all the way > down to the floor and back. So I was doing them right alongside her. > She started getting tired after about 10. Normally, I would have > too. But for some reason, I was not getting tired, I could just keep > going. I wasn't breathing hard, or shaking or anything. > > So anyhow, I received my order from www.compra-segura.com the day > before yesterday. So that night, I ate some. Then all day yesterday, > I chewed. I remember what I experienced before, and was anxious (in > thought only) to get back to that special place--where my mind > worked like a supercomputer without even trying, and happiness > pervaded my ego, and I felt more spiritually alive. So after day > one, what did I feel? Not much. It is as if I am beginning the > journey anew. So here is what I have experienced so far (after day > 1). Since my mouth is filled with a big green juicy mess most of the > time, I did not smoke hardly any cigarettes. And of course, like > before, the desire to smoke was gone instantly. Parts of my mouth > would go numb-but not nearly as numb as when the dentist shoots you > with novacaine. And I felt the cool freshness of every breath. And > also, one prominent effect I notice right away is that I cannot > yawn. So, during this first day, I kept waiting for something to > happen in my head (like a great awakening as before). But iiit never > came. My mind was awake. I could focus and do my job very well. But > there was no extra happiness and no deep thoughts. I wasn't sad. > Just a little more awake. So I will stick with my leaf-chewing > regimine, and report back here from time to time over the upcoming > weeks to communicate what happens. It took about 2-3 weeks > previously, when all of a sudden my head cleared up, and my mind > became a playground of thought. But for now, I am not changed. My > mouth has a few sores where I had " biting accidents " . I realize > these happen usually only when I have a very small amount of stuff > in my mouth to chew on. So yesterday, after a big wad of leaves > dissolves into a tiny amount of fibrous material, I spit it out, and > refill my mouth, instead of ferociously chewing it into nothing. > When I began chewing coca leaf the first time, I used the lipita as > an alkanizing agent. On the 2nd day, I learned an important lesson > with this stuff: I tried to bite a little off to put in my mouth, > instead of shaving it off with a knife. When I bit a little, the > tiny pieces went down between my gums and was burning really bad. > And I could not get it out. So I will never do that again. I used > the lipita for the first 2 weeks initially, but then switched to > baking soda, as it is a fine powder, and instantly disperses into > the chew. And also, I put some baking soda into my bag that held the > lipita, and then the lipita got covered with powder, and became even > drier, and hardened like concrete. So, in the 3rd week, when my mind > expanded, I was only using baking soda. So yesterday, I did have one > minor revelation: 1) It did seem strange that lipita is the > company's #1 selling product, 2)I remembered reading somewhere that > cocaine does something related to the flow of sodium ions. I don't > really understand the chemistry behind all this. The lipita is a > strong alkalizing agent made from vegetable ash. I think it is > potassium based. And plus, I think it may have more " life " in it > than a refined sodium based powder. So my only thought was that > happiness factor that seemed to be lacking may be related to this > sodium vs. potassium thing. So today, I will switch back to the > lipita. Ok, so back to yesterday (day 1). I had previously stated > that chewing the leaf had taken away much of my desire for other > food, and definately took away my cravings for sweets. But > yesterday, I ate a normal lunch, and also, surprisingly, I ate all > my dinner. And then after dinner, I ate chocolate ice cream. And > then after that, I ate some fig newtons. So it didn't change my > appetite on the first day. I was chewing the leaf right up to dinner > time. On my very last chew, I put in lipita instead of baking soda. > Then, during dinner, I felt a slight wave of calm come over me. I > did not chew any after dinner. I went to bed early (as I was up late > the night before). So today is day 2. We'll see what the future > brings...I have experienced some other effects, I'll save their > description for future posts. > Victor > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Victor, What is the best product of coco leaves at compra-segura.com to buy for the first time? I am very new to this and would appreciate any info you can give me. Thanks, Suzi " nwch.geo " <nwch.geo wrote: When I was in Peru. they didn't chew but make tea with cola leaves, it gives a lot of energy. , nkechi mola <nkmola wrote: > > Sorry for sounding dizzy here. I've been reading all the emails on this topic. > Do you mean coca leaves as in cacaine or cocoa leaves as in chocolate? > > thanks > > > Pam localslave wrote: > Hello everyone. I had posted previously about things I experienced > chewing coca leaf. At that time, I felt a great desire to share my > experience, as the experience caused great chanbes in my body, mind, > and spirit. That was after 3 weeks eating (chewing) leaves everyday. > I then ran out of leaves, and then I ate all my teabags. I ordered > more, which took about 7-8 days. So when I ran out, I began eating > like before. My old habits came right back. I drank my coffee and > smoked cigarettes, and ate fast food.All the thoughts and happiness > I felt have dwindled. I still remember them, but it is like I am > back to where I started. Some effects have lingered. These include: > My panta are looser. Either my scale is broken, or I really did lose > almost 20lbs (180lbs to 160lbs) in 4 weeks. Another effect that is > still with me is my bowel movement changed--not messy, not loose, no > gas, no heartburn. And there is another effect, one that I hadn't > really noticed, as I haven't been exercising at all really for the > last year or so. Like when my daughter challenged me to see who > could do more push-ups. She was pretty impressive, going all the way > down to the floor and back. So I was doing them right alongside her. > She started getting tired after about 10. Normally, I would have > too. But for some reason, I was not getting tired, I could just keep > going. I wasn't breathing hard, or shaking or anything. > > So anyhow, I received my order from www.compra-segura.com the day > before yesterday. So that night, I ate some. Then all day yesterday, > I chewed. I remember what I experienced before, and was anxious (in > thought only) to get back to that special place--where my mind > worked like a supercomputer without even trying, and happiness > pervaded my ego, and I felt more spiritually alive. So after day > one, what did I feel? Not much. It is as if I am beginning the > journey anew. So here is what I have experienced so far (after day > 1). Since my mouth is filled with a big green juicy mess most of the > time, I did not smoke hardly any cigarettes. And of course, like > before, the desire to smoke was gone instantly. Parts of my mouth > would go numb-but not nearly as numb as when the dentist shoots you > with novacaine. And I felt the cool freshness of every breath. And > also, one prominent effect I notice right away is that I cannot > yawn. So, during this first day, I kept waiting for something to > happen in my head (like a great awakening as before). But iiit never > came. My mind was awake. I could focus and do my job very well. But > there was no extra happiness and no deep thoughts. I wasn't sad. > Just a little more awake. So I will stick with my leaf-chewing > regimine, and report back here from time to time over the upcoming > weeks to communicate what happens. It took about 2-3 weeks > previously, when all of a sudden my head cleared up, and my mind > became a playground of thought. But for now, I am not changed. My > mouth has a few sores where I had " biting accidents " . I realize > these happen usually only when I have a very small amount of stuff > in my mouth to chew on. So yesterday, after a big wad of leaves > dissolves into a tiny amount of fibrous material, I spit it out, and > refill my mouth, instead of ferociously chewing it into nothing. > When I began chewing coca leaf the first time, I used the lipita as > an alkanizing agent. On the 2nd day, I learned an important lesson > with this stuff: I tried to bite a little off to put in my mouth, > instead of shaving it off with a knife. When I bit a little, the > tiny pieces went down between my gums and was burning really bad. > And I could not get it out. So I will never do that again. I used > the lipita for the first 2 weeks initially, but then switched to > baking soda, as it is a fine powder, and instantly disperses into > the chew. And also, I put some baking soda into my bag that held the > lipita, and then the lipita got covered with powder, and became even > drier, and hardened like concrete. So, in the 3rd week, when my mind > expanded, I was only using baking soda. So yesterday, I did have one > minor revelation: 1) It did seem strange that lipita is the > company's #1 selling product, 2)I remembered reading somewhere that > cocaine does something related to the flow of sodium ions. I don't > really understand the chemistry behind all this. The lipita is a > strong alkalizing agent made from vegetable ash. I think it is > potassium based. And plus, I think it may have more " life " in it > than a refined sodium based powder. So my only thought was that > happiness factor that seemed to be lacking may be related to this > sodium vs. potassium thing. So today, I will switch back to the > lipita. Ok, so back to yesterday (day 1). I had previously stated > that chewing the leaf had taken away much of my desire for other > food, and definately took away my cravings for sweets. But > yesterday, I ate a normal lunch, and also, surprisingly, I ate all > my dinner. And then after dinner, I ate chocolate ice cream. And > then after that, I ate some fig newtons. So it didn't change my > appetite on the first day. I was chewing the leaf right up to dinner > time. On my very last chew, I put in lipita instead of baking soda. > Then, during dinner, I felt a slight wave of calm come over me. I > did not chew any after dinner. I went to bed early (as I was up late > the night before). So today is day 2. We'll see what the future > brings...I have experienced some other effects, I'll save their > description for future posts. > Victor > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 I warned you guys about discussing this in the open. Now you have the Feds trying to corner you, like, oh I'm new to this, can you give me your name and address so I can order correctly? How long before they are watching and busting you guys for every order imported from that site? Way to go! , susan neighbors <suzisuri wrote: > > Victor, What is the best product of coco leaves at compra-segura.com to buy for the first time? I am very new to this and would appreciate any info you can give me. > > Thanks, > Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Afraid of aresst? Rat always live where cat also lives. All of you can protest the law by sending mails to senators or go a jolly trip to latin America. R.Vidhyasagar. " M. Richmond " <rollouts wrote: I warned you guys about discussing this in the open. Now you have the Feds trying to corner you, like, oh I'm new to this, can you give me your name and address so I can order correctly? How long before they are watching and busting you guys for every order imported from that site? Way to go! , susan neighbors <suzisuri wrote: > > Victor, What is the best product of coco leaves at compra-segura.com to buy for the first time? I am very new to this and would appreciate any info you can give me. > > Thanks, > Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Dr. Vidhyasagar, You are absolutely correct, (about the cat - rat). As far as mailing your Senators, you must not be familiar with the new America. I moved to Peru in '99 to recover from a back operation to treat severe sciatica. Thanks to the help of coca from a bruja, it wasn't long before I could get around without pain. After 9/11 it was necessary to return to the USA. Within months I was once again in serious pain. Thanks to the laws of this country, I could no longer consume coca, so I take oxycontin. As you know you develop an immunity and require stronger doses as time goes by, but I refuse to fall into the addiction. So, thanks to the laws of our government, myself and millions of other Americans find it necessary to walk around in a painful, miserable state every day for the rest of our lives. Very often I weigh the options of giving up some of the comforts and benefits of life in America, and consider returning to a life which is much harder, but happier and pain-free. I have been researching places other than Peru, where the laws are more lax and the lifestyle is closer to an American lifestyle. , r vidhyasagar <dr_vidhyasagar_54 wrote: > > Afraid of aresst? Rat always live where cat also lives. > All of you can protest the law by sending mails to senators > or go a jolly trip to latin America. > R.Vidhyasagar. > > " M. Richmond " <rollouts wrote: > I warned you guys about discussing this in the open. Now you have the > Feds trying to corner you, like, oh I'm new to this, can you give me > your name and address so I can order correctly? How long before they > are watching and busting you guys for every order imported from that site? > Way to go! > > , susan neighbors > <suzisuri@> wrote: > > > > Victor, What is the best product of coco leaves at > compra-segura.com to buy for the first time? I am very new to this and > would appreciate any info you can give me. > > > > Thanks, > > Suzi > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I'm still a little unsure if coca leaves are what is made into cocaine, chocolate, or colas. If it is the source of cocaine, then perhaps there is legal alternative to its pain killing qualities. If you factor in the pain related to the stress of arrest and imprisonment, the possible addiction and resulting complications, or the fear of being caught, then a legal alternative begins to sound pretty attractive. I have seen the cocaine-addicted in action and it isn't pretty -- loss of career, stealing from friends, letting down fellow employees. A rain forest alternative might be Cat's Claw, or Una de Gato (sp?). There are also herbs that calm hunger. Toni On 12/24/06, r vidhyasagar <dr_vidhyasagar_54 wrote: > > Afraid of aresst? Rat always live where cat also lives. > All of you can protest the law by sending mails to senators > or go a jolly trip to latin America. > R.Vidhyasagar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Let me relay my experience with coca leaves from the tea. when I moved to Peru and saw the many boxes of coca leaf teas I thought I saw the clouds part the sun shine and a rainbow develop as my dancing eyes thought of the lovely trips I had yet to enjoy after drinking copious amounts of this elixir tea. Well about 1/2 a box later still drinking the concoctions I felt absolutely nothing.....nada ....zilch. Although technically according to the DEA it made be illegal to import the tea let me assure you that you are missing nothing! darn it...... c. - " Toni Roberts " <TRobertsLMT Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:19 AM Re: Re:chewing coca leaves > I'm still a little unsure if coca leaves are what is made into cocaine, > chocolate, or colas. If it is the source of cocaine, then perhaps there > is > legal alternative to its pain killing qualities. If you factor in the > pain > related to the stress of arrest and imprisonment, the possible addiction > and > resulting complications, or the fear of being caught, then a legal > alternative begins to sound pretty attractive. I have seen the > cocaine-addicted in action and it isn't pretty -- loss of career, stealing > from friends, letting down fellow employees. > > A rain forest alternative might be Cat's Claw, or Una de Gato (sp?). > > There are also herbs that calm hunger. > > Toni > > > On 12/24/06, r vidhyasagar <dr_vidhyasagar_54 wrote: >> >> Afraid of aresst? Rat always live where cat also lives. >> All of you can protest the law by sending mails to senators >> or go a jolly trip to latin America. >> R.Vidhyasagar. >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Well, I've been chewing the leaves for a few weeks now. From 7am to 5pm or so. I'm not sure what happened to me before-with my head opening up- but I haven't experienced any change. I chewed the leaves for a couple weeks. I used the lipita, and then switched to baking soda. The baking soda delivers a more pronounced effect. The only effect I notice now is a face sweat after a couple chews. I'll tell you more of my experience. I live at sea level. The one thing I definately do is eat less. I mostly crave pizza, bread, maybe fish. But now I am being nourished from the leaves. I haven't been tired at all since starting. No yawns...but sometimes it is nice to yawn. I switched to chewing the tea bags. I rip open the bags (1gram each), and put about 2-4 bags in side of mouth, wet finger and dip in baking soda, 1 to 2 times. And I can get all of the leaf in about 5 minutes. The effect in 1 minute, and begins to fade as the numbness in mouth fades. I haven't really been working out, but I know this stuff would supply a tremendous boost in any physical activity. Do you know what this stuff does? It is for altitude sickness. In a normal body, when more oxygen is needed, the body tries to compensate be making more red blood cells, which can tend to get clumpy. But with the leaf, it frees up the red blood cells, by somehow improving the oxygen carrying capacity of the hemoglobin already there. I read that somewhere. In real life experience, I see that improving the oxygen flow is exactly what it does. I don't know how this would effect a growing person. But for an older person, might as well do it. It only makes life better. Each leaf has a stem in it. It is too tedious to pull out each one. This stuff got all inside my teeth and gums. I noticed that the chewing of leaves kept my teeth cleaned. But I still had to do some major flossing for about an hour to dig out all the stuff under the gumline. To most, if not all people, the idea of chewing leaves is not pleasant. It is even worse when one actually does it. One's teeth will be litered with green pieces. I bought a " trash bag " as they call it on the website. 1000 tea bags for $35. I don't know exactly how many I eat a day...maybe around 50. The leaf changed my digestion tract. Gradually. I think it took about 2-3 weeks , until the stuff coming out looks just like chewed up leaves. There were a couple of days when I didn't bowel movement, as it seems my body changed it's transit time of colon to longer to get everything good out of it. vs always trying to get rid of junk food in quickest time. My weight has stated going down again. My pants are all falling off me. I did have some bad gastric occurences. The first was that one poop was liquified. But I did not know I was sick until I went. The only thing I ate that nobody else ate were raw nuts a day or two earlier. So any way, the second occurence was the other night, right after dinner. I ate a big dinner, and then continued on like I used to do pre leaf ers. So I ate icecream, more stuff, and them some dark chocolate bar. Then I awoke at 2:30 am from a bad dream about chocolate in my stomach. Oh yeah, dinner was spaghetti (with debole's jjerusalem artichoke noodles(mmm). So I awoke and sat in the bathroom for a while, and then finally my body did what it needed to do. Vomiting. Ah, that feels good. ...just a yellowish liquid. And on the very last bit was up, I instantly felt fine. The stuff coming up made my teeth feel all ate up with acid, and my inside mouth was burned for a while. I chewed 3 tums to neutralize my acid mouth. Anyway, I tuned into the show about everest, all the people trying to climb it, and this guy is passed out with altitude sickness at an elevation of 4000 mters, which is the same as where th peruvians live. Just think how easy it would be to climb everest while chewing coca leaf. Surely one wouldn't want to be up there without it? One other thing that changed is my sex life. I get a good workout then. My thoughts are more pure, closer to the light. I used to enjoy opening the paper off the tea bag, and breathing in through the nose, the precious love-filled essence that escapes as it rises up to heaven. I'm not exactly sure on the ;aw, but the teabags don't arouse suspicion. My mouth is healing up now on the chopped leaves (teabags), as opposed to the leaves. I just need to make a big premixed container-dispenser with baking soda, and then dispense into mouth as need. Another really bad side effect is sticking my finger in mouth with baking soda on it, and then finger gets stained really bad, and nothing will clean the stain away. But teeth and gum nice and clean. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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