Dreams

December 23, 2004

Yvonne,

Thanks for sharing. You sound like a wonderful, loving

mother and a sensitive, caring person.

I'm wondering if there are any children in your

neighborhood who would benefit from your loving

presence?

Perhaps you could see if they might like to visit from

time to time. Children crave the kind of sharing and

conversation you lovingly give. They crave attention

and interest from others.

Although I do not know you, you are so precious to me.

It's so rare these days to meet an honest person who

will risk sharing their heart and thoughts.

So I'm sending you thoughts of love over the ocean,

and I hope you will get well soon. We need you in the

world.

Your daughter will come back around to appreciating

Mom more once she has a few years of independence. She

is just acting her age.

Best wishes for the New Year.

PS. Try to get outside in the sun at least an hour a

day without glasses if you normally wear them.

December 24, 2004

Aw thank you very much for your kind words.

You have given me food for thought.

I live near the college and have already considered taking in some

teenage students as lodgers after my daughter is gone.

I was a mature (art)student myself before my illness got hold, all

the young ones in my group kind of adopted me, I was everyones

favourite, and I thought I was unbelievably cool until I realised

they were away from home and missing their mums lol!

Of course if I do I will have to hire a cleaner/home help.

The dream was just a healing dream, I am determined not to make my

daughter feel guilty for going away, but the grief still has to come

out. I had been giving her some Reiki healing just before bedtime

because of her cough, and what I give I get, so its only the Reiki

doing its job, nothing to worry about. Better shed a few tears than

bottle it all up and choke on them.

I do understand what you say about the sunlight, but as I have CFS or

M.E., the neurological damage is too great, and all normal sleep

hygiene methods are ineffective against a sleep disorder as severe as

mine. I do take 3mg melatonin to help me sleep (even though I have to

order it from the USA), sometimes it helps, most often I still have

to rely on the medication from my doctor.

My daughters cough is improving today, so thats one less worry.

I have a great Homeopathic practitioner on my case now and am

optimistic about my eventual recovery.

I will let myself cry buckets over my daughter when she isnt

looking, and I will cope, I hadnt realised I was holding it all in so

tightly before.

thanks again for your kindness

All the Best

Yvonne

, as

<glkbreeze> wrote:

>

> Yvonne,

>

> Thanks for sharing. You sound like a wonderful, loving

> mother and a sensitive, caring person.

> I'm wondering if there are any children in your

> neighborhood who would benefit from your loving

> presence?

> Perhaps you could see if they might like to visit from

> time to time. Children crave the kind of sharing and

> conversation you lovingly give. They crave attention

> and interest from others.

>

> Although I do not know you, you are so precious to me.

> It's so rare these days to meet an honest person who

> will risk sharing their heart and thoughts.

>

> So I'm sending you thoughts of love over the ocean,

> and I hope you will get well soon. We need you in the

> world.

>

> Your daughter will come back around to appreciating

> Mom more once she has a few years of independence. She

> is just acting her age.

>

> Best wishes for the New Year.

>

> PS. Try to get outside in the sun at least an hour a

> day without glasses if you normally wear them.

>

December 27, 2004

Thank you so much to all of you who responded to my venting the other

day.

I am feeling much better now for letting off all that steam.

it happened because I had been doing some Reiki healing for my

daughters cough the night before, and the Reiki did its job on me

too, giving me the dream so I could get in touch with my feelings and

have a good cry, I had been bottling things up a bit too much.

I am seeing a really good Homeopathic practitioner who is also a

nutritionist and a herbalist, and I am a Reiki master myself, we have

a plan, and I am optimistic about my chances of recovery.

As for my daughter, she will be fine going to Australia, and I am

just being a selfish mum wanting to keep my baby close to me. So I

will cry about it when she is not around and never let her feel

guilty for leaving, and all will be well.

I have placed an advertisement in the local paper to get some help at

home too.

I hope you all had a warm and loving Christmas, we did.

Love and *LIGHT*

Yvonne

November 23, 2005

Becky:

Indeed, it is important to analyze dreams as soon as

possible. I have a method to do this with the I Ching

(Yi Jing) that is quite accurate.

Dreams are a way of telling us what we need to know.

Despite Freud and Jung, the true meaning of dreams has

less to do with symbols than most believe.

Regards, Jack

--- Becky <bsalibrici wrote:

> victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon wrote:

> ....The brain is in touch with every part of the

> body even while one sleeps, so it's not surprising

> that some things that are going on in the body and

> causing distress will be communicated in dreams....

>

> So true! Mom used to have dreams... I have had

> them; predictive dreams. Unfortunately, I have only

> able to see the meanings (clearly/warnings) after

> the fact, particularly with repetitive ones making

> strong impressions (vivid).

>

> Before I had the CT with (2!) 20-oz cups of barium

> (I knew nothing about barium regarding abdominal

> scans at the time, I dreamed I was in a room filled

> with people, socializing. I was given a drink.

> When I went to drink it there were little duck heads

> floating around in the drink. I saw a woman

> observing me from across the room. In my dream I

> rationalized (!) and even tho it occurred to me that

> the feathers/fur/hair/beak (you know how dreams are)

> could choke me and the drink was potentially

> dangerous, I felt it was expected of me/required and

> drank it anyway. It was very dry going down, not at

> all pleasant, but in my dream I concluded that in

> the end I was ok from it.

>

> This was much less vivid than many dreams I've

> had. I'm certain that in my condition, drinking the

> stuff did not help (neither my condition nor the

> resulting images).

>

> How I feel in my dreams is something I strongly

> consider, as well as colors ...

>

> This is the most insightful group I've come come

> across, and I do very much appreciate everyone's

> posts!

>

> Whether or not you celebrate Thanksgiving, I hope

> you all have a very pleasant day tomorrow. My son

> is coming home with a big appetite : -D and I will

> be in the kitchen all day :-} A little tryptophan

> really is a good thing

>

> Sincerely,

> Becky

>

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> one click.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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November 23, 2005

--- Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote:

I always dream a lot, and I always thought that they

tell me a lot more about myself - and I was wondering

if you have any links how to analyze dreams after TCM.

Thanks,

Brigitte

> Becky:

>

> Indeed, it is important to analyze dreams as soon as

> possible. I have a method to do this with the I

> Ching

> (Yi Jing) that is quite accurate.

>

> Dreams are a way of telling us what we need to know.

> Despite Freud and Jung, the true meaning of dreams

> has

> less to do with symbols than most believe.

>

> Regards, Jack

>

November 24, 2005

Brigette:

TCM's doctrine of dreams says that, in general, dreams

indicate ill health. If someone dreams a lot, then

this indicates that something is wrong.

I do have a collection of Chinese TCM books on dreams,

but haven't yet begun to explore them. Don't know of

any links on the subject, sorry.

I don't agree with the TCM doctrine as above, I

believe that dreams do tell us what we need to know

for the following day.

Regards, Jack

--- Brigitte Breithut Stepak <bbreithut

wrote:

>

> --- Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote:

> I always dream a lot, and I always thought that they

> tell me a lot more about myself - and I was

> wondering

> if you have any links how to analyze dreams after

> TCM.

>

> Thanks,

> Brigitte

>

> > Becky:

> >

> > Indeed, it is important to analyze dreams as soon

> as

> > possible. I have a method to do this with the I

> > Ching

> > (Yi Jing) that is quite accurate.

> >

> > Dreams are a way of telling us what we need to

> know.

> > Despite Freud and Jung, the true meaning of dreams

> > has

> > less to do with symbols than most believe.

> >

> > Regards, Jack

> >

>

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November 24, 2005

HI there,

My TCM doctor told me that dreams per se are not the problem. It's when you

have too many dreams, like you're constantly going hither and thither all night

long. That is a sign that you are out of balance.

Chris

Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote: Brigette:

TCM's doctrine of dreams says that, in general, dreams

indicate ill health. If someone dreams a lot, then

this indicates that something is wrong.

I do have a collection of Chinese TCM books on dreams,

but haven't yet begun to explore them. Don't know of

any links on the subject, sorry.

I don't agree with the TCM doctrine as above, I

believe that dreams do tell us what we need to know

for the following day.

Regards, Jack

--- Brigitte Breithut Stepak <bbreithut

wrote:

>

> --- Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote:

> I always dream a lot, and I always thought that they

> tell me a lot more about myself - and I was

> wondering

> if you have any links how to analyze dreams after

> TCM.

>

> Thanks,

> Brigitte

>

> > Becky:

> >

> > Indeed, it is important to analyze dreams as soon

> as

> > possible. I have a method to do this with the I

> > Ching

> > (Yi Jing) that is quite accurate.

> >

> > Dreams are a way of telling us what we need to

> know.

> > Despite Freud and Jung, the true meaning of dreams

> > has

> > less to do with symbols than most believe.

> >

> > Regards, Jack

> >

>

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November 24, 2005

Ayurveda and many other systems including some Chinese and Japanese

schools see dreams in a very simple way - different authorities

often express it slightly differently.

Ayurveda generally sees dreams as a 'Mala' or waste matter- similar

to urine or feces - it is something that the body wants to be

discarded so it has come to the surface. In this sense dreams are

not a 'pathology' in themselves - although like all waste matter if

it does not get eliminated it can cause pathologies. The types of

dreams one has are related to our personal constitution, our life

experiences (in this sense Jung and Freud were right in that our

archetypal memory functions as symbols and feelings), our disease

state (different toxic conditions of disease produce specific types

of dreams as well as the energetics of the disease will tend us

toward certain types of consciousness), the food we eat greatly

influences the nature of dreams since it is mainly the food we eat

and or the way we digest certain foods (do we produce gas – what

types of gases – do we produce acidic states -what acids – do we

collect fluids – especially in the brain – etc.) – that trigger

specific types of dreams, so many things effect consciousness –

personal and impersonal – environment – climate – moon phases –

solar activities – etc. etc.

This morning after breakfast my father and I sat in the garden and

discussed dreams. His general comments were something like this –

the dream state is like all of consciousness – a field of

information – there is much to learn there – pay attention to your

dreams – they like all of your other states of consciousness

reflects your state of being at the moment – consciousness is like a

mirror of the internal environment of both Psyche and Soma – so

dreams as a specific state of consciousness – are a view into

the `self' - the greater self as opposed to the simple image of self

most of us have – purified beings do not dream in the ordinary sense

since they do not have all of the waste backed up and circulating in

the blood negatively effecting bran functioning. Example - if we

observe our dreams the nature of the dream will reveal the nature of

our body energetics in an `abstracted' or `symbolic' way – so if we

are internally cold with anxiety – then we can have a vast number of

dreams that will have a component of fear – just as when we are

water logged we can have dreams of heaviness and being stuck or

limited or non achieving – perhaps lazy and unable to move – heat

can make us enter into all sorts of intensity – perhaps sexual –

perhaps irritation and aversions – wars and battles – some sort of

conflict, activity, or achievement. Most have imbalances in multiple

energetics so as an example a common type of dream is being chased –

this is a dream that reflects imbalance in all major functions – it

is a projective (heat) fear (cold) image - exasperated inevitably by

toxins and either excess or deficiency – so some will run from

something beautiful – others from something horrible and

threatening – flying is another example of a dream that often

expresses complex emotional states such as fear – being stuck

(unable to get off the ground (pathological water)– like an attempt

to fly that never happens – Icarrus who flew into the sun out of

yearning – yet the end experience was full of failure and fear –

this is imbalance in several organs – including Liver and Spleen –

upward movement – Kidneys (fear). Garlic causes dreams – many herbs

can cause specific types of dreams – Astragulus as an example causes

gas for many (related to Legume family) – so often those with poor

digestion end up dreaming the nature of the bowel toxins caused by

this poor digestion – this is true of many substances – everything

we take into our body reflects eventually in it's `righteous'

or `pathological' state as consciousness – the toxins act as

triggers to archetypal memory..

My fathers teacher who was a great Yogi – said of all of

consciouness – observe oneself with as much awareness and subtlety

as possible but do not attach to any of those states - they are

passing – they want to pass – they need to pass – so let it come and

let it go – with the same ease and sense of detachment that you

would have while setting on the toilet – let it go – it is it's time

to go – so stand aside and let it go – holding to any state of

consciouness is perversion as waste should be eliminated and caste

away – why keep it – observe – learn the lesson if possible –

correct yourself if possible and move on. Consciousness is like the

bubbles that rise to the surface of a pond – each bubble has a

specific meaning but do not make too much of it.

November 24, 2005

I find this all very interesting as I tended to dream

since I can remember. And very often it looks to me

more that it pictures emotions or feelings one doesn't

want to admit in itself and they come into dreams -

like a litte personal revelation.

My TCM practitioner isn't " happy " that treatment after

treatment I still dream as much as before. They are

not negative, I don't wake up, mainly I remember them

because the alarm clock rings. Sometimes quit

comforting - waking up with a good feeling.

I was reading that it indicates that something is

wrong but I always enjoyed having dreams as it opens

something to me.

Brigitte

--- Christopher Kevill <ckevill wrote:

> HI there,

>

> My TCM doctor told me that dreams per se are not

> the problem. It's when you have too many dreams,

> like you're constantly going hither and thither all

> night long. That is a sign that you are out of

> balance.

>

> Chris

>

> Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote:

> Brigette:

>

> TCM's doctrine of dreams says that, in general,

> dreams

> indicate ill health. If someone dreams a lot, then

> this indicates that something is wrong.

>

> I do have a collection of Chinese TCM books on

> dreams,

> but haven't yet begun to explore them. Don't know

> of

> any links on the subject, sorry.

>

> I don't agree with the TCM doctrine as above, I

> believe that dreams do tell us what we need to

> know

> for the following day.

>

> Regards, Jack

>

> --- Brigitte Breithut Stepak <bbreithut

> wrote:

>

> >

> > --- Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote:

> > I always dream a lot, and I always thought that

> they

> > tell me a lot more about myself - and I was

> > wondering

> > if you have any links how to analyze dreams

> after

> > TCM.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Brigitte

> >

> > > Becky:

> > >

> > > Indeed, it is important to analyze dreams as

> soon

> > as

> > > possible. I have a method to do this with the

> I

> > > Ching

> > > (Yi Jing) that is quite accurate.

> > >

> > > Dreams are a way of telling us what we need to

> > know.

> > > Despite Freud and Jung, the true meaning of

> dreams

> > > has

> > > less to do with symbols than most believe.

> > >

> > > Regards, Jack

> > >

> >

>

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November 24, 2005

> HI there,

>

> My TCM doctor told me that dreams per se are not the problem.

It's when you have too many dreams, like you're constantly going

hither and thither all night long. That is a sign that you are out

of balance.

>

> Chris

If one is passing in and out of the hypnogogic state throughout the

night this means that one is not sleeping properly - this is a

serious disease state and is a co-factor in many stress disorders -

when one never fully recovers by going into deep sleep - then we

will suffer increasing excitability and disturbance of the

sympathetic nervous system this is the primary cause of exhaustion.

RIM sleep is a necessary state but if one is unable to sink deeper

into sleep (Delta) then we can suffer many physical and

psychological deficits - ending in hyperexcitability and exhaustion

of cortisol - the major symptom of advanced exhaustive states. One

of the true criteria for good brain and nervous system balance is to

sleep well - which would ordinarily mean that we are passing into

Hypnogogia in the early stages of the night and pass through it

again in the morning as we awake. Restless sleep is poor sleep.

Another problem for those who do not sleep well during the night -

is that they often feel sleepy or sluggish during the day - with

mental 'fog'. most of these people say they feel worse in the

morning than at night - it is because of the brain fatigue suffered

becuse of lack of sleep (which also causes water stagnation -

another cause of morning sluggishness)- this procedure also uses a

lot of brain chemistry and such people will have many brain chemical

imbalances that contribute to the overall deteroration. My father

says we need at least three hours of deep Delta sleep a night to

recover our hormone and brain chemical balance each night - without

this there is no question of healthy Heart (Shen) functioning -

therefore a major symptom will be despair and lack of interest -

with no endurance ability - quickly fatigues - with a sense of

oppresion in the chest.

November 24, 2005

sounds like a good thing to me.

Michelle

-

Brigitte Breithut Stepak

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:30 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] dreams

I find this all very interesting as I tended to dream

since I can remember. And very often it looks to me

more that it pictures emotions or feelings one doesn't

want to admit in itself and they come into dreams -

like a litte personal revelation.

My TCM practitioner isn't " happy " that treatment after

treatment I still dream as much as before. They are

not negative, I don't wake up, mainly I remember them

because the alarm clock rings. Sometimes quit

comforting - waking up with a good feeling.

I was reading that it indicates that something is

wrong but I always enjoyed having dreams as it opens

something to me.

Brigitte

--- Christopher Kevill <ckevill wrote:

> HI there,

>

> My TCM doctor told me that dreams per se are not

> the problem. It's when you have too many dreams,

> like you're constantly going hither and thither all

> night long. That is a sign that you are out of

> balance.

>

> Chris

>

> Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote:

> Brigette:

>

> TCM's doctrine of dreams says that, in general,

> dreams

> indicate ill health. If someone dreams a lot, then

> this indicates that something is wrong.

>

> I do have a collection of Chinese TCM books on

> dreams,

> but haven't yet begun to explore them. Don't know

> of

> any links on the subject, sorry.

>

> I don't agree with the TCM doctrine as above, I

> believe that dreams do tell us what we need to

> know

> for the following day.

>

> Regards, Jack

>

> --- Brigitte Breithut Stepak <bbreithut

> wrote:

>

> >

> > --- Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote:

> > I always dream a lot, and I always thought that

> they

> > tell me a lot more about myself - and I was

> > wondering

> > if you have any links how to analyze dreams

> after

> > TCM.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Brigitte

> >

> > > Becky:

> > >

> > > Indeed, it is important to analyze dreams as

> soon

> > as

> > > possible. I have a method to do this with the

> I

> > > Ching

> > > (Yi Jing) that is quite accurate.

> > >

> > > Dreams are a way of telling us what we need to

> > know.

> > > Despite Freud and Jung, the true meaning of

> dreams

> > > has

> > > less to do with symbols than most believe.

> > >

> > > Regards, Jack

> > >

> >

>

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November 28, 2005

--- Becky <bsalibrici wrote:

> Hi. I think waking up to alarms does affect our

> dream/sleep realm.

But isn't this particular problematic. I mean, without

alarm, I would not get up in time for a lot of things.

My lifestyle doesn't allow me to get up when I would

wake up naturally.

I also feel, oversleeping is not good either, I feel

sluggish all day, so an alarm is a nice mediator for

it - now my husband wakes me going to work - but at

6am that's a sudden wake up call, too.

It is an interesting issue - on Saturday I went from

one dream into the next, the next day I felt really

bad, on Sunday I dreamt nothing, even when my husband

woke me today at 6am.

I think certain dreams are very important, there are

some who just come from too much TV before going to

bed, but on average 90% of my dreams say something to

me - normally about emotions I don't want to

acknowledge in the day time.

Brigitte

November 29, 2005

Hi,

I am Zen and I live in Houston, TX. Before I responded to this post I thought

that I would introduce myself a bit. I have considered a career in alternative

medicine off and on for some time. Now I would like to get more info in depth.

I would like to practice alternative medicine/healing to disadvantaged

communities, should I definitely decide on this career path.

There have been some impressive but little known things done with meditation and

prison populations and I think in Boston there are some projects with meditation

and low income communities as well, single mothers or something like that. I

have always worked with this population, most recently in domestic violence

(although they are not always low-income). Of course, I am a long way off from

combining two fields. I am even fairly new to even a consistent meditation

practice, thus my the handle, Zenisis.

So far, looking at the posts, I feel right at home.

Anyway, I was going ask if anyone had tried one of those Zen clocks that chime

at progressively shorter intervals instead of giving you a jolt. The alarm I

find is like a punch in the face, I just want to hit the clock back. I like to

wake to energizing music, but sometimes it just blends into my dreams. I can't

be too tired and wake up to music.

Zen

Brigitte Breithut Stepak <bbreithut

--- Becky <bsalibrici wrote:

>> Hi. I think waking up to alarms does affect our

>> dream/sleep realm.

>

But isn't this particular problematic. I mean, without

alarm, I would not get up in time for a lot of things.

My lifestyle doesn't allow me to get up when I would

wake up naturally.

I also feel, oversleeping is not good either, I feel

sluggish all day, so an alarm is a nice mediator for

it - now my husband wakes me going to work - but at

6am that's a sudden wake up call, too.

It is an interesting issue - on Saturday I went from

one dream into the next, the next day I felt really

bad, on Sunday I dreamt nothing, even when my husband

woke me today at 6am.

I think certain dreams are very important, there are

some who just come from too much TV before going to

bed, but on average 90% of my dreams say something to

me - normally about emotions I don't want to

acknowledge in the day time.

Brigitte

November 29, 2005

I have two of the triangular clocks.Because I liked mine so much I got one for

my husband since we woke at different hours for work... Lovely to wake up to,

but hard to set in a real specific fashion...you have to play with it a bit

before you get it right where you want it....and you might want it a little away

from you at first. It isn't super quiet when you aren't use to it. Lovely

sound tho.

Michelle

-

Zenisis

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Monday, November 28, 2005 5:38 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: dreams

Hi,

I am Zen and I live in Houston, TX. Before I responded to this post I thought

that I would introduce myself a bit. I have considered a career in alternative

medicine off and on for some time. Now I would like to get more info in depth.

I would like to practice alternative medicine/healing to disadvantaged

communities, should I definitely decide on this career path.

There have been some impressive but little known things done with meditation

and prison populations and I think in Boston there are some projects with

meditation and low income communities as well, single mothers or something like

that. I have always worked with this population, most recently in domestic

violence (although they are not always low-income). Of course, I am a long way

off from combining two fields. I am even fairly new to even a consistent

meditation practice, thus my the handle, Zenisis.

So far, looking at the posts, I feel right at home.

Anyway, I was going ask if anyone had tried one of those Zen clocks that chime

at progressively shorter intervals instead of giving you a jolt. The alarm I

find is like a punch in the face, I just want to hit the clock back. I like to

wake to energizing music, but sometimes it just blends into my dreams. I can't

be too tired and wake up to music.

Zen

Brigitte Breithut Stepak <bbreithut

--- Becky <bsalibrici wrote:

>> Hi. I think waking up to alarms does affect our

>> dream/sleep realm.

>

But isn't this particular problematic. I mean, without

alarm, I would not get up in time for a lot of things.

My lifestyle doesn't allow me to get up when I would

wake up naturally.

I also feel, oversleeping is not good either, I feel

sluggish all day, so an alarm is a nice mediator for

it - now my husband wakes me going to work - but at

6am that's a sudden wake up call, too.

It is an interesting issue - on Saturday I went from

one dream into the next, the next day I felt really

bad, on Sunday I dreamt nothing, even when my husband

woke me today at 6am.

I think certain dreams are very important, there are

some who just come from too much TV before going to

bed, but on average 90% of my dreams say something to

me - normally about emotions I don't want to

acknowledge in the day time.

Brigitte

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Has anyone ever tried telling themselves they have to get up at such and

such time before bed along with going to bed at a decent hour ? Tell your self

you have to and then ask your higher power to help you do it.

November 29, 2005

volcanic years without summers.

I warble a paltry note in a gunmetal sky,

a lone small bird perched

on a naked branch looking for you.

October 2005

A small world... what happened to Zen-Poetry group?

I miss your musings!

Domingo

On 11/28/05, Zenisis <findme wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I am Zen and I live in Houston, TX. Before I responded to this post I

> thought that I would introduce myself a bit. I have considered a career in

> alternative medicine off and on for some time. Now I would like to get more

> info in depth. I would like to practice alternative medicine/healing to

> disadvantaged communities, should I definitely decide on this career path.

>

> There have been some impressive but little known things done with

> meditation and prison populations and I think in Boston there are some

> projects with meditation and low income communities as well, single mothers

> or something like that. I have always worked with this population, most

> recently in domestic violence (although they are not always low-income). Of

> course, I am a long way off from combining two fields. I am even fairly new

> to even a consistent meditation practice, thus my the handle, Zenisis.

>

> So far, looking at the posts, I feel right at home.

>

> Anyway, I was going ask if anyone had tried one of those Zen clocks that

> chime at progressively shorter intervals instead of giving you a jolt. The

> alarm I find is like a punch in the face, I just want to hit the clock

> back. I like to wake to energizing music, but sometimes it just blends into

> my dreams. I can't be too tired and wake up to music.

>

> Zen

>

> Brigitte Breithut Stepak <bbreithut

>

> --- Becky <bsalibrici wrote:

>

> >> Hi. I think waking up to alarms does affect our

> >> dream/sleep realm.

> >

>

> But isn't this particular problematic. I mean, without

> alarm, I would not get up in time for a lot of things.

> My lifestyle doesn't allow me to get up when I would

> wake up naturally.

>

> I also feel, oversleeping is not good either, I feel

> sluggish all day, so an alarm is a nice mediator for

> it - now my husband wakes me going to work - but at

> 6am that's a sudden wake up call, too.

>

> It is an interesting issue - on Saturday I went from

> one dream into the next, the next day I felt really

> bad, on Sunday I dreamt nothing, even when my husband

> woke me today at 6am.

>

> I think certain dreams are very important, there are

> some who just come from too much TV before going to

> bed, but on average 90% of my dreams say something to

> me - normally about emotions I don't want to

> acknowledge in the day time.

>

> Brigitte

>

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November 30, 2005

Actually, I am hard of hearing so that might work out just fine! I

won't often hear the jolting alarm if I am lying on the " good " ear.

Zen

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark "

<michellec@n...> wrote:

>

> I have two of the triangular clocks.Because I liked mine so much I

got one for my husband since we woke at different hours for work...

Lovely to wake up to, but hard to set in a real specific fashion...you

have to play with it a bit before you get it right where you want

it....and you might want it a little away from you at first. It isn't

super quiet when you aren't use to it. Lovely sound tho.

> Michelle

> -

> Zenisis

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Monday, November 28, 2005 5:38 PM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: dreams

>

> Hi,

>

> I am Zen and I live in Houston, TX. Before I responded to this

post I thought that I would introduce myself a bit. I have considered

a career in alternative medicine off and on for some time. Now I

would like to get more info in depth. I would like to practice

alternative medicine/healing to disadvantaged communities, should I

definitely decide on this career path.

>

> There have been some impressive but little known things done with

meditation and prison populations and I think in Boston there are some

projects with meditation and low income communities as well, single

mothers or something like that. I have always worked with this

population, most recently in domestic violence (although they are not

always low-income). Of course, I am a long way off from combining two

fields. I am even fairly new to even a consistent meditation practice,

thus my the handle, Zenisis.

>

> So far, looking at the posts, I feel right at home.

>

> Anyway, I was going ask if anyone had tried one of those Zen

clocks that chime at progressively shorter intervals instead of giving

you a jolt. The alarm I find is like a punch in the face, I just want

to hit the clock back. I like to wake to energizing music, but

sometimes it just blends into my dreams. I can't be too tired and wake

up to music.

>

> Zen

>

> Brigitte Breithut Stepak <bbreithut>

>

> --- Becky <bsalibrici> wrote:

>

> >> Hi. I think waking up to alarms does affect our

> >> dream/sleep realm.

> >

>

> But isn't this particular problematic. I mean, without

> alarm, I would not get up in time for a lot of things.

> My lifestyle doesn't allow me to get up when I would

> wake up naturally.

>

> I also feel, oversleeping is not good either, I feel

> sluggish all day, so an alarm is a nice mediator for

> it - now my husband wakes me going to work - but at

> 6am that's a sudden wake up call, too.

>

> It is an interesting issue - on Saturday I went from

> one dream into the next, the next day I felt really

> bad, on Sunday I dreamt nothing, even when my husband

> woke me today at 6am.

>

> I think certain dreams are very important, there are

> some who just come from too much TV before going to

> bed, but on average 90% of my dreams say something to

> me - normally about emotions I don't want to

> acknowledge in the day time.

>

> Brigitte

>

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November 30, 2005

> My TCM doctor told me that dreams per se are not the problem.

It's when you have too many dreams, like you're constantly going

hither and thither all night long. That is a sign that you are out

of balance.

When I was very sick, my dreams each night were like miniseries AND

their sequels.

Here's some further information on dreams and sleep for the list

members who are new to TCM: In TCM physiology, the Mind/ Spirit

(Shen) resides within the Heart. (A reminder that TCM Organs are not

equivalent to anatomical organs, and are collections of functions.

Hence, the use of a capital letter when talking about the TCM

Organs.)

Anyway, Shen is anchored in Heart Blood. When Heart Blood is

adequate, Shen is " anchored " , " stays home " .

Giovanni Maciocia has this to say in The Foundations of Chinese

Medicine:

" Since the Heart stores the Mind, it is very closely related to

sleep. The Mind should reside in the Heart and if the heart

(particularly Heart-Blood) is strong, a person will fall asleep

easily and the sleep will be sound. If the Heart is weak, the Mind

has no residence and it will " float " at night causing inability to

fall asleep, disturbed sleep or excessive dreaming. All dreams are,

in a way, related to the Heart. Certain dreams, however are more

directly indicative of a Heart disharmony.

" The 'Simple Questions' in chapter 80 says: 'When the Heart is weak,

one dreams of fires; if the dream takes place in summertime, one

dreams of volcanic eruptions'. The 'Spiritual Axis' in chapter 43

says: 'Whne the Heart is in excess, one dreams of laughing ... when

the Heart is deficient, one dreams of mountains, fire and smoke'. "

(p. 75.)

I not sure how many people today in industrialized countries and who

are far removed from nature have dreams with this particular

symbolism today.

Whenever dreams are excessive, expect and rule in or rule out Blood

Deficiency.

There is another Organ which can play a role in sleep problems. The

Ethereal Soul (aka Hun) resides within the Liver. It too needs

adequate Blood and Yin to be " anchored " and to " stay home. "

Maciocia writes, " If Liver-Blood or Liver-Yin is very weak, at times

the Ethereal Soul may even leave the body temporarily at night

during sleep or just before going to sleep. Those who suffer from

severe deficiency of Yin may experience a sensation as if they were

floating in the few moments just before falling asleep: this is said

to be due to the " floating " of the Ethereal Soul not rooted in Blood

and Yin.

" The Ehter4eal Soul is also related to resoluteness and a vague

feeling of fear at night before fallying asleep is also said to be

due to a lack of rooting of the Ethereal Soul. " (p. 81.)

If the person is experiencing fear of going to sleep, and/or

feelings of floating and sometimes falling and jerking back into the

body, suspect and rule in or rule out Liver-Blood and Liver-Yin

Deficiency.

Keep in mind that another function of the Liver is to store and

regulate Blood volume. When a person is active, the Liver releases

Blood to nourish and moisture the tissues. When the person is at

rest (lying down), the Liver stores Blood.

There also is a reciprocal relationship between Blood and the Liver.

Maciocia writes, " (I)f Blood is abnormal (deficient or hot), it may

affect the Liver function. If, on the other hand, the Liver funtion

is abnormal, it may affect the quality of the Blood, causing certain

kinds of skin diseases, such as eczema or psoriasis. This last

conept has been advanced by Dr. J Shen, who holds that, just as an

improper storing medicium can spoil food (for instance a dirty

container encouraging the growth of bacteria), similarly, an

improper Liver function (the storing medium for Blood) can 'spoil'

Blood, giving rise to skin diseases. " (p. 78)

Suspect and rule in or rule out Liver Blood Deficiency if the nails

are " dark, indented, dry and cracked. " (p. 80) The finger and toe

nails can tell you stuff about the health of the Liver and Liver

Blood (and the Gall Bladder).

Because the Liver " opens into the eyes " , there are a number of ways

the eyes will be affeted if there is Liver imbalance. The eye

symptoms that point strongly to Liver-Blood Deficiency are dry eyes,

blurred vision, near-sightedness, " floaters " , some cases of color

blindness, and a feeling of gritty eyes.

Even though Liver imbalance is the most frequent Root of eye and

vision problems, Kidney Jing Deficiency also can result in chronic

eye problems because Kidney Jing nourishes the eyes. (The

Liver " opens into the eyes " , the Kidney Jing nourishes them.)

November 30, 2005

Thank you so much! This was very very informative and explains a lot of what's

going on with me. You can tell by my eyes that I may infact have a liver

problem. now i need to find the means of healing or cleansing it.

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