Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 You've got to be joking me.......if you honestly can't see why a person shouldn't take a flu shot, then maybe your sister could bring you home the insert that comes with the vial of the vaccine....you'll be able to read and RESEARCH for yourself the TOXIC, DANGEROUS and LIFE CHANGING materials that are put into everyone's body because the GOVERNMENT and big pharmaceuticals want more of YOUR money.....and it IS your money....those FREE flu shots aren't free, we're all paying for them. Winona - Species2001 herbal remedies Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:22 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Digest Number 2561 In a message dated 10/14/2003 1:57:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s.blakely writes: Uh, most people I know would not get the flu UNLESS they got the shot. My dad went to the clinic to get his flu shot "because it's free". Well you get what you pay for. The flu shot is also connected to Gullian-Barre Syndrome. The flu can make you miserable for a week or two, but in most cases will not kill you. -Shelby Its impossible to get the flu from the flu shot because there is no live virus in there. Some people are infected already when they get the shot so they get the flu. I dont know why all the people you know are immune to the flu, that makes no sense. Its better for people to get the flu shot especially if they are in a higher risk for complications from it. Thousands of people also get phemonia from the flu too so logic says its worth getting. Even if you do get the flu shot you have to take precautions during the winter seasons like taking TT and keeping your windows cracked open to let fresh air in and washing your hands and keeping them away from your face. It drives me crazy when people touch money and then their face or food!!!ClaudetteFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 I had found this last year when I had this discussion with some friends... here are some ingredients for you to mall over Claudette. Flu shot ingredients:Thimerson (Mercury disinfectant/preservative)Aluminum (additive to promote antibody response) (implicated as a contributor to Alzheimer's, seizures, fatigue, mental problems)Formaldehyde (disinfectant) (let's embalm ourselves alive!) (incidentally, it's what aspartame aka NutraSweet converts to at a mere 86 degrees F)Ethylene Glycol (anti-freeze-deadly-poison) (seems to do nothing constructive at all)Phenol (disinfectant)Benzethonium Chloride (antiseptic)Methylparaben (anti fungal, preservative)Winona Leonards <rwleon wrote: You've got to be joking me.......if you honestly can't see why a person shouldn't take a flu shot, then maybe your sister could bring you home the insert that comes with the vial of the vaccine....you'll be able to read and RESEARCH for yourself the TOXIC, DANGEROUS and LIFE CHANGING materials that are put into everyone's body because the GOVERNMENT and big pharmaceuticals want more of YOUR money.....and it IS your money....those FREE flu shots aren't free, we're all paying for them. Winona The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 check out this site for more on what's in the vaccine... http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html Suzi The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Dear Claudette, Wellllllllllllllllllll, this is me "Doc" who is, and has been, responding to you, not Suzi. I believe Suzi only responded to you twice and #1. Explained our list's policies on promoting allopathic remedies, and #2. gave the information on what was in the Flu shots. This data is correct. You are right in that thousands of people die from the flu each year, and that in many cases the flu turns to pneumonia. This is true. What you are neglecting to include here is that much of this is caused by the shot itself. Why??? Because of all the data I've already given you!!! Where thousands die each year from flu problems and subsequent complications, hundreds of thousands (close to a million) die each year because of heart disease created by the foods we eat and a medico approved diet. A million and a half die each year with heart disease, cancer, and other common chronic diseases. Out of these, from 175,000 to 250,000 die from iatrogenic causes = doctor caused. As Suzi pointed out, and I will now reiterate, the Herbal Remedies list is Naturopathic and is for the discussion and promotion of NATURAL Remedies only. Promotion of Allopathic or "Medical" remedies are NOT tolerated on this list. Such is the case with Flu shots. You can take them all you want to, if it is your desire to do so, but please don't discuss or promote the fact on this list. They are not natural. They are not beneficial, but the subject is not open for debate here on this list whether it is your opinion or not. Doc PS. You are totally welcome to discuss this further off list with me to your hearts content. Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Species2001 herbal remedies Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Flu vaccine Look Suzi,Some people on this list are totally against doctors and some arent. Fact is, thousands of people die from the flu each year. Fact is, many cases of the flu turn into phemonia. I do believe going to the doctor when you need to and along with that, I do believe in using herbal healing and prevention. When I talk, I speak for myself, not for you or anyone else. I believe in getting the shot and if someone is going to get it, they will or wont no matter what you or I say. Unlike you I dont push my beliefs on other people unless I feel im doing good and if someone has a compromised immune system then I would tell them that they should get the shot. But the decision is up to them so dont cry and go nuts because your not going to change how I feel and visa versa, and dont get all insecure because I am not telling people these oppinions are coming out of your mouth. They are from me. Ok? Now leave me alone! Claudette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 i'm sorry if i am totally just repeating...but this is so important it probably warrents repeating...claudette as far as most people on this list are concerned it is an absolute fact that all vaccines (including the flu shot) are dangerous and the cause of most people's poor immune system. saying that if someone has a bad immune system they should get a vaccine is just crazy b/c that will really only make them worse. what they need to do is find out why their immune system is so poor and fix it. i am all for debate and think that there are many things about which most people on this list would not agree...but i think this is so far out of that realm that it's no wonder you got such a strong reaction. this doesn't mean that everyone thinks you should never go to a doctor (though many do)...but not for a shot. i would suggest that you do some research on this and don't just limit yourself to flu shots but to vaccines in general. i do think people on this list tolerate differences in opinion...but c'mon...if you suggested that someone get on prozac...you'd probably have people barking at you pretty quick!! what i'm saying is flu shots are kind of an extreme!! don't get discouraged though...read up on it...there is a lot of info out there...and then judge for yourself!! luv laura herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > Dear Claudette, > > Wellllllllllllllllllll, this is me " Doc " who is, and has been, responding to you, not Suzi. I believe Suzi only responded to you twice and #1. Explained our list's policies on promoting allopathic remedies, and #2. gave the information on what was in the Flu shots. This data is correct. > > You are right in that thousands of people die from the flu each year, and that in many cases the flu turns to pneumonia. This is true. What you are neglecting to include here is that much of this is caused by the shot itself. Why??? Because of all the data I've already given you!!! > > Where thousands die each year from flu problems and subsequent complications, hundreds of thousands (close to a million) die each year because of heart disease created by the foods we eat and a medico approved diet. A million and a half die each year with heart disease, cancer, and other common chronic diseases. Out of these, from 175,000 to 250,000 die from iatrogenic causes = doctor caused. > > As Suzi pointed out, and I will now reiterate, the Herbal Remedies list is Naturopathic and is for the discussion and promotion of NATURAL Remedies only. Promotion of Allopathic or " Medical " remedies are NOT tolerated on this list. Such is the case with Flu shots. You can take them all you want to, if it is your desire to do so, but please don't discuss or promote the fact on this list. They are not natural. They are not beneficial, but the subject is not open for debate here on this list whether it is your opinion or not. > > Doc > > PS. You are totally welcome to discuss this further off list with me to your hearts content. > > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. > 505-772-5889 > Dr.IanShillington@G... > - > Species2001@a... > herbal remedies > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:19 PM > Re: [herbal remedies] Flu vaccine > > > Look Suzi, > > Some people on this list are totally against doctors and some arent. Fact is, thousands of people die from the flu each year. Fact is, many cases of the flu turn into phemonia. I do believe going to the doctor when you need to and along with that, I do believe in using herbal healing and prevention. When I talk, I speak for myself, not for you or anyone else. I believe in getting the shot and if someone is going to get it, they will or wont no matter what you or I say. Unlike you I dont push my beliefs on other people unless I feel im doing good and if someone has a compromised immune system then I would tell them that they should get the shot. But the decision is up to them so dont cry and go nuts because your not going to change how I feel and visa versa, and dont get all insecure because I am not telling people these oppinions are coming out of your mouth. They are from me. Ok? Now leave me alone! > > Claudette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 No, i didn't mention "THE" ingredient.....there's too many to list. But, I did give you the place to find it. Read the insert, you can pull it up online too if you won't get a hard copy. Winona Original Message ----- Species2001 herbal remedies Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:58 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Flu vaccine In a message dated 10/14/2003 2:45:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwleon writes: You've got to be joking me.......if you honestly can't see why a person shouldn't take a flu shot, then maybe your sister could bring you home the insert that comes with the vial of the vaccine....you'll be able to read and RESEARCH for yourself the TOXIC, DANGEROUS and LIFE CHANGING materials that are put into everyone's body because the GOVERNMENT and big pharmaceuticals want more of YOUR money.....and it IS your money....those FREE flu shots aren't free, we're all paying for them.You didn't mention what ingredient is dangerous. And what are the statistics where people get complications from the flu shot? I believe in prevention and thats what the flu shot is. Its not chemicals.C.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Can anyone point me toward articles re why the flu vaccine is unsafe and ineffective - I know I've seen them, but now that I want to refer to them I can't find them. Thanks, ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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