CoQ10 Naturally

[Guest guest]

Hi Again

 

Taking Coq10 is only dealing with a symptom.

Our diet is best source of naturally

creating Coq9, Coq10 & Coq11.

Here is an source of the composition of q10:

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/lymecfs/coq10.htm

" The relative contribution of CoQ10 biosynthesis versus

dietary CoQ10 is under investigation. Karl Folkers takes

the position that the dominant source of CoQ10 in man is biosynthesis.

This complex, 17 step process, requiring at least seven vitamins

(vitamin B2 - riboflavin, vitamin B3 - niacinamide, vitamin B6, folic

acid, vitamin B12, vitamin C, and pantothenic acid) and several trace

elements, is, by its nature, highly vulnerable. Karl Folkers argues

that suboptimal nutrient intake in man is almost universal and that

there is subsequent secondary impairment in CoQ10 biosynthesis. This

would mean that average or " normal " levels of CoQ10 are really

suboptimal and the very low levels observed in advanced disease states

represent only the tip of a deficiency " ice berg " . "

 

The " B " Vitamins are critical for the more basic conversions

of EFA's into the energy producing make up of cell membranes

which must include saturated fats. Getting the balance of

all the proper EFA's, FA's, minerals along with needed

vitamins is the real answer -

not treating a symptom (shortage of coq10).

 

Don't we know by now that drugs that only treat symptoms

eventually cause system failure.

 

Great sources: 'B' vitamins = nutritional yeast

minerals = Unprocessed Sea Salt - the complete

mineral spectrum and in perfect balance for our bodys!

 

Rick

[Guest guest]

, " rickmuenzer "

<r.muenzer@v...> wrote:

 

> Don't we know by now that drugs that only treat symptoms

> eventually cause system failure.

 

Rick,

 

Let me get this straight. You are calling coq10 a drug????

I'm surprised that the owner of this forum allows these statements

on his list. The rest of us would have been banned already with

remarks like that! Are you sure you're on the correct forum?

 

Regards, Penny

[Guest guest]

Rick,

 

I am trying to remember things that I read many years ago and that

isn't easy with my brain, but to put it simply the human body can

only use CoQ 10 whereas certain other animals can only utilize CoQ-9,

others Co Q 8, etc.

 

The co-enzymes (8,9,10, etc) are obtained in our food and converted

in the liver to the type needed for that animal by cutting off the

tails of Co's 5, 6, 7, 9, whatever number of these in like a long

tail and reassembled in the configuration needed (humans CoQ 10).

 

The problem can be not enough input of Co's in diet, but usually lies

in the livers inability to convert enough of all forms of Co's to the

particular one needed by humans CoQ 10.

 

The problem of the liver in converting could be because of it's poor

functioning because off illness, damage, age, etc. or it could be

because of the needed cofactors to convert the Co's are not present

in sufficient quantities to make enough of what the body needs.

 

So, you see it is not a question of a good CoQ 10 and a bad Co Q10,

but of where does the problem lie and what a person has to work with.

 

If a person does not have the ability convert Cos to CoQ10 due to

some liver problem then supplementation is still the best thing that

he can do, where as if it is a cofactor missing , then yes, it is

better to give the co-factors needed by the liver to convert other

Co's to Co Q10.

 

I think that the point should have been couched in the terms of

better and best not good vs. bad.

 

It is almost always better to have a natural way and let it work the

way it should in an optimal setting, but most of us are not optimal

in bodies or diet. We have to do whatever we need to do with what we

have to work with. And if that means supplementing with CoQ 10 then

that is what I will do. And I do.

 

As to the rest of what you are saying, I do not see the relevance to

CoQ 10. And a lot of what you are saying is not explained clearly or

indepth enough to see the tie in.

 

regards,

 

Frank

 

 

 

, " rickmuenzer "

<r.muenzer@v...> wrote:

> Hi Again

>

> Taking Coq10 is only dealing with a symptom.

> Our diet is best source of naturally

> creating Coq9, Coq10 & Coq11.

> Here is an source of the composition of q10:

> http://home.tampabay.rr.com/lymecfs/coq10.htm

> " The relative contribution of CoQ10 biosynthesis versus

> dietary CoQ10 is under investigation. Karl Folkers takes

> the position that the dominant source of CoQ10 in man is

biosynthesis.

> This complex, 17 step process, requiring at least seven vitamins

> (vitamin B2 - riboflavin, vitamin B3 - niacinamide, vitamin B6,

folic

> acid, vitamin B12, vitamin C, and pantothenic acid) and several

trace

> elements, is, by its nature, highly vulnerable. Karl Folkers argues

> that suboptimal nutrient intake in man is almost universal and that

> there is subsequent secondary impairment in CoQ10 biosynthesis. This

> would mean that average or " normal " levels of CoQ10 are really

> suboptimal and the very low levels observed in advanced disease

states

> represent only the tip of a deficiency " ice berg " . "

>

> The " B " Vitamins are critical for the more basic conversions

> of EFA's into the energy producing make up of cell membranes

> which must include saturated fats. Getting the balance of

> all the proper EFA's, FA's, minerals along with needed

> vitamins is the real answer -

> not treating a symptom (shortage of coq10).

>

> Don't we know by now that drugs that only treat symptoms

> eventually cause system failure.

>

> Great sources: 'B' vitamins = nutritional yeast

> minerals = Unprocessed Sea Salt - the complete

> mineral spectrum and in perfect balance for our bodys!

>

> Rick

[Guest guest]

Hi Frank

 

To my thinking the CoQ10 being an co-enzyme is just one facet of the

overall energy production. The keys still lie in the

delta-6-desaturase, delta-5-desaturase, elongase, cyclo-oxygenase and

oxygenase alterations of the EFA's. This is where the 'real' energy

comes from. Also the same vitamins and minerals that activate the

elongase processes are the same ones that help create CoQ10.

Which indicates to me that CoQ10 is just a sub routine/facet of the

omega 3 & 6 conversions.

 

Also if you remember the Gleevec story (targeted enzyme therapy) =

it did not work perfectly as planned - after a few months many enzymes

just changed and they failed their targets. In this case the

scientists did not understand the roll that biophotons play in the

control of enzymes.

 

Best wishes and good job on your new web site

Rick

 

, " califpacific "

<califpacific> wrote:

> Rick,

> As to the rest of what you are saying, I do not see the relevance to

> CoQ 10. And a lot of what you are saying is not explained clearly or

> indepth enough to see the tie in.

>

> regards,

> Frank