The Irritable Bowel Syndrome Good Guy

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Frank - If you are dealing with Candida and IBS, would the yeast in Kefir

promote the candida, or would it replace the bad yeast with beneficial yeast?

I'm confused. Thanks, Kathy

 

-- " califpacific " <califpacific wrote:

Dear Group,

 

I would like to just add a small bit of information here.

 

This has been my observations over the years.

 

Staying away from carbs makes sense when you have IBS, but it is

mainly treating just the sysmptoms. Low carbs equals lower fuel for

the bad bacteria which if it were in small amounts might be brought

more into line by fuel for good vs. bad bacteria.

 

To treat the cause directly, you must change the bacteria in the gut.

 

Most people use probiotics in pill form which is ok, but for most

people who have serious disease they are taken in too small an amount

to change much. To take a few pills of probiotics is like trying to

put out a large fire with a cup of water.

 

For people who have a serious case of IBS due to an imbalance of

bacteria, it usually is much better to use large amounts of live

bacteria over a sustained period of time.

 

To due this, the only way that I have found effective is to make and

use large amounts of homemade " kefir " .

 

Note: Kefir is not a grain, as mentioned in a previous message. It is

a fermented dairy food similar to yougart only with many, many

varieties of bacteria and yeasts in it.

 

The mass of bacterias and yeasts that you place into milk to make

kefir is called a " grain " but has nothing to do with cereal grains.

 

To take homemade kefir is to take the equivalent of taking many many

probiotic pills on many different bacterias and yeasts all at once.

When you drink a glass of homemade kefir it is a huge glass of

bacterias and yeasts. It would take a probiotic the size of a tennis

ball to equal it. And I do not know how it would be possible to equal

in a pill all of the hundreds of bacterias and yeasts found in kefir.

 

If used liberally, it really will cure the imbalance of bacteria in

the gut.

 

Then to repair the gut requires a long term use of nutrients and

especially lots of vitamin E and C.

 

Kefir is also very simple to make and use.

 

There is a link to Dom's Kefir making site and to his on

our groups links page.

 

It really works, but every one assumes it doesn't because there isn't

any promotion of the information. It isn't a commercially viable

product to advertise and sell of the internet.

 

Most people reading this will discount it without investigation also.

 

Note: Commercial kefir bought in the health food stores and

supermarkets is not " real " kefir and does not have the same bacterias

and yeasts found in natural kefir (homemade with the grain).

 

regards,

 

Frank

 

 

 

, Zamyrabyrd

<zamyrabyrd> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I would like to say " ditto " to Linda and thanks. I

> have also come to the conclusion though hard and

> bitter experience that carbohydrates cannot be trifled

> with in IBS. Since carbs are practically universal,

> and can even be healthy for some people (including

> whole wheat pasta), it doesn't mean that for diabetics

> and people with intestinal problems they are not a

> minefield.

>

> I would add to the list of problems that IBS may be

> associated with is a tendency to hypoglycemia or

> diabetes. I also have had amoebic dysentery (that can

> affect the liver, doesn't really go away) and other

> immune system problems. I believe that the sugar

> intolerance plus all of the above are intimately

> connected with the IBS.

>

> My main interest in subscribing to health lists is in

> reading what has worked or hasn't worked for others,

> therefore I am grateful to Linda for sharing her

> experiences. I have had really enough over 30 or more

> years of what is " supposed to be good for you " by

> doctors, etc., who could only give me lectures and not

> anything practical, even cause more damage,

> unfortunately.

>

> I'd like to take issue with the following:

> > Among the foods that encourage the growth of

> friendly bacteria are

> > fruit and vegetables, pulses and whole grains such

> as that which is

> > found in " kefir " . while pathogens thrive on sugary,

> high protein and refined foods.

>

> It doesn't matter to the gut where the glucose comes

> from in its broken-down form, it can come from

> carbohydrates, e.g., fruit, whole grain or processed

> grain products or from the carbon in protein, which is

> admittedly less. High protein foods have a lower carbo

> index so I find the above statement opposite to what I

> have understood until now and contradicts my own

> experience.

>

> It is of vital importance for my own health that the

> facts be absolutely straight. With regard to IBS, I

> have learned to avoid the orthodox medical

> establishment and also to question ideas currently

> circulating. I have myself revised my opinions many

> times about things that were considered common

> knowledge so that they shouldn't even be questioned or

> of accepted ideas that just made me sicker and sicker.

>

> Sincerely,

> ZB

>

>

>

> Message: 19

> Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:23:13 -0600

> " Linda Jones "

> Re: Re: The Irritable Bowel Syndrome

> Good Guy

>

> I hate to say this, but I have IBS, and one of the

> worst things I did was use FOS. It majorly aggravated

> my IBS, and it took a lot of work to get it calmed

> back down again. It turns out that FOS not only feeds

> good bacteria, but also some types of bad bacteria. It

> may be useful for preventing disbiosis, but once

> disbiosis sets up, it can make things much worse. So

> can arabinogalactins, and other types of fiber and

> carbohydrates that are often promoted as good for

> intestinal health. Good pathogens eat some of the same

> things as bad pathogens, and feeding good pathogens in

> the presence of bad

> pathogens just compounds the problem.

>

> And for the record, eating a low carbohydrate diet

> with no grains and little fruit has allowed me to gain

> control of my IBS and help correct the disbiosis. But

> it took me years to figure out that they were making

> things worse, not better, because they are erroneously

> promoted as being so healthy for people.

>

> However, disbiosis is only part of the picture with

> IBS for many people. Even after correcting the

> disbiosis, I still continued to have problems. It

> turns out that I had other pathogens elsewhere that

> were triggering inflammation, which in turn lowered

> MSH levels. (In my case, I have Lyme, and staph.

> aureus, as well as a myriad of viruses) MSH is a

> hormone that not only allows a person to tan, but has

> many other functions, including acting like a master

> hormone in the hypothalamus, pituitary and pineal

> gland which in turn affects digestion, adrenal

> function, circadian rhythms, and even immune function,

> AND it also directly kills both candida and

> staphylococcus

> aureus.

>

> Controlling inflammation elsewhere in the body can

> help reduce intestinal disbiosis by raising MSH

> levels, which in turn corrects immune function,

> digestion, and directly kills some of the pathogens

> that contribute to IBS, and elsewhere in the body. It

> didn't matter how many colon cleanses I did, or

> probiotics I took, or digestive enzymes, or

> anticandida supplements, or antiparastitic

> supplements, or whatever. And the suggested HSO

> probiotics, FOS and grains and fruit were disasters

> for me. I remained susceptible to staph and candida as

> long as my MSH levels were deficient, and I'd become

> reinfected as soon as I stopped whatever I was using

> to kill them off, and eventually they developed

> resistance to what I was using. Staph in the sinuses,

> staph in teeth, staph in inner ear fluid, etc., can

> indirectly contribute to IBS, even if it is not

> directly connected with the intestinal tract. It can

> set up residency in bones and skin and impact the body

> through the production of toxins. Both staph and

> candida produce toxins that act as neurotoxins that

> can pass through the skin, through the tissues of the

> body, and be recirculated over and over in the body.

>

> The intestinal tract, like the brain, is controlled by

> neurochemicals, and is impacted by neurotoxins. Even

> if the neurotoxins are not produced in the intestinal

> tract, they are lipid soluble, and circulate through

> the bile into the intestinal tract and into the nerve

> endings in the intestinal tract, affecting intestinal

> function. Even in an intestinal tract with a healthy

> flora, neurotoxins elsewhere can trigger IBS symptoms.

> And of course, mercury can act as a neurotoxin, and

> cause similar problems. Because

> of the neurochemical connection, antidepressants are

> often prescribed to people with IBS to help control

> symptoms when diet changes don't help. But getting rid

> of the source of the neurotoxins, and detoxifying the

> body of them is a far better route to take.

>

> I would highly suggest that you look up information on

> Pubmed about MSH. Read Dr. Shoemaker's book

> " Desperation Medicine. " Although IBS is generally

> thought of as an intestinal problem, people with IBS

> very frequently have symptoms that overlap with other

> neurotoxic related illnesses like Multiple Chemical

> Sensitivities, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia,

> and other illnesses. And eating grains and fruit don't

> do much to treat those illnesses, because they can't

> bind with the toxins and eliminate them, and they

> don't kill the pathogens that produce the neurotoxins.

> In my case, I'm still working on trying to eliminate

> Lyme. But at the least, I've managed to eliminate IBS

> symptoms. And on a low carbohydrate diet, I might add.

>

> Linda Jones

> lindaj@h...

>

> -

> " JoAnn Guest "

> To:

> Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:25 PM

> Re: The

> Irritable Bowel

> Syndrome Good Guy

>

>

> > ---Good Evening,

> > An imbalance of the gut flora, termed `dysbiosis'

> is indicated by

> > symptoms such as IBS, diarrhea, constipation and a

> lack of natural

> > energy.

> >

> > Among the foods that encourage the growth of

> friendly bacteria are

> > fruit and vegetables, pulses and whole grains such

> as that which is

> > found in " kefir " . while pathogens thrive on sugary,

> high protein and refined foods.

> >

> > Fructo-oligosaccharides (FOS) is a well researched

> substance that

> > feeds only friendly bacteria. Because it is a type

> of fibre, it

> > passes undigested through the stomach and then

> arrives intact in the > intestine where it stimulates

> the growth of helpful " gut " bacteria.

> >

> > FOS serves as a food for friendly bacteria, which

> *aids* our

> > digestion by " fermenting " undigested food and

> increasing elimination of toxins.

> >

> > FOS may be useful in treating conditions like

> > irritable bowel syndrome.

> >

> > Artichoke, bananas, leeks and asparagus are the

> richest food sources of FOS and it is also

> incorporated into supplements. known as prebiotics.

> FOS is also present in papaya and pineapple, however

> in much smaller amounts.

> >

> > Probiotics, literally meaning " pro life " , are foods

> or supplements

> > that actually contain a dose, usually in the

> billions, of live bacteria of the kind that naturally

> > grow in the gut.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > JoAnn

> >

> >

> > In ,

> Zamyrabyrd

> > wrote:

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I have had IBS for years and I must respectfully

> > > disagree about soluble fiber in foods that have a

> high

> > > carbohydrate rating. For me they are simply

> disasters.

> > > Part of the problem may be grain allergy and/or

> > > sensitivity to gluten. Carbs when not digested

> > > properly DO ferment and cause a LOT of trouble in

> the

> > > gut. So I personally try to stay away from them

> even

> > > though they are EVERYWHERE. If I don't then there

> is

> > > hell to pay. Fruit should also be regarded with

> > > moderation and even caution. I don't know why

> " pasta "

> > > has become so respectable even in for people who

> are

> > > trying to lose weight. If one considers the amount

> of

> > > (white) flour pasta contains, then for sure it

> will

> > > become clear that it's just another glorified

> wheat

> > > product.

> > >

> > > ZB

> > >

> > >

> > > The Irritable Bowel Syndrome Good Guy

> > >

> > > Hmmm....You've heard of fiber, you're pretty sure

> you

> > > know what it

> > > is, and you've probably had it recommended to you

>

>

>

>

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