The War On AIDS ...

[Guest guest]

Hi there! It amazes me that people still buy poppers. It was one of the

first things that was suspected, as linked to AIDS and particularly

K.S.--as well as the Hepatitis B vaccine's link to AIDS. However, there

are people who have used poppers for years and do not have AIDS. Len

Horrowitz and Boyd Graves have demonstrated the link to the Hepatitis B

vaccines (and named the specific batches which had been deliberately

contaminated). The Mycoplasma link goes back more than 10 years, and

it's a theme which will not go away. Horrowitz & Graves have described

it as " viral armour " , and it's certainly capable of destroying the

immune system over years. Natural therapies have been used since the

beginning of the epidemic, and continue to be used. The search for

effective, non-pharmaceutical therapies is ongoing, even in " guerilla

clinical trials " conducted by the people affected by the illness. This

is a very stubborn disease! People with AIDS have to take charge of

their own care, and many do. Yes, I've seen guys murdered by their

doctors, getting the best treatment available. So called mavericks, like

Peter Duesberg, are unreliable. His tune is unchanged over the years,

and his theories are so full of holes--with many people who don't fit

into his model of causation. He was involved in the creation of HIV, a

consultant to the special (secret) virus program at Fort Dietrick, as

were other scientists. Neither science nor medicine can be relied upon,

as both have prostituted themselves to the military in a genocidal

program. Steve

 

Allen Graves wrote:

 

>Let’s face it..ALL of the cause(s) of " AIDS " , and all of the cure(s) are

known! In the beginning, widespread use of ‘Poppers’ ( nitrites ) caused KS and

PCP. That was the first " AIDS " . Then a lunatic conned the worlds into believing

that he had isolated a new virus, and without peer review of his ‘findings’ , he

called a news conference, and all the rules changed. And changed, and changed

again, over the years.

>

>They dragged AZT off of the shelves in Dr. Frankenstein’s sub-basement vault,

and began killing people. Then, when it was getting close to being figured out,

they sold the company and ran for the hills. In 1993, while actual numbers of

sick people were declining, finally, thanks to the reduction in prescribing AZT,

the definition was changed to include perfectly healthy people.

>

>They invented ‘medications’ that interfered with the life cycle of the cells, a

vital life-sustaining process, and started killing people a little bit more

slowly. And STILL blamed it on " HIV " . Now " AIDS " is virtually every disease

known to man. Especially, the iatrogenic ones...’vaccinations’ that have

injected massive amounts of the popluation with unknown toxins ( NOT ‘inactive

viruses’, as is commonly believed ), antibiotics that cripple the immune system,

circling, in-your-face " bone-pointers " who insist you are dying and do

everything they can to prove it to defend their belief system, their jobs, and

the status-quo that created them. Play by their rules and you lose.

>

>Everything toxic to the body, in one form or another, from man-made

environmental toxins to fungi, bacteria and parasites are blamed on the " HIV "

fiction. There is NO sample of isolated HIV anywhere. There aren’t even any

" retroviruses " , or " oncoviruses " or whatever side-step they’ve taken in

terminology to disguise the original mis-understanding of Revererse

Transcription being naturally present in many biological processes.

>

>The tests are bad science, and used to prove their own validity. The " HIV

Antibody " test can’t detect " HIV " (which is really only cellular debris), nor

can it even detect actual antibodies!. T Cells counts IN THE BLOOD vary widely

among different people and CANNOT be taken as a measure of health. PCR does not

count active virus.

>

> " AIDS " ( whatever that might be in each individual case ) is cured very simply

with anti-oxidants, vitamins, and other natural, healthy substances, and

prevented with a return to a healthy, natural lifestyle. NOT " life-extending "

Phama-Toxins that only maim and kill more slowly.

>

> " AIDS " really stands for " Acquired Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome " , to quote

Lanka, and should be renamed " Acquired Energy Deficiency Syndrome " . Which is

what many activists seem to have acqured...get the word out! Get OFF the

DRUGS...which is anything that NATURE ( or God, depending on your belief system,

which is what sustains you and which is really the most important issue to

address ) didn’t create. " AIDS " is over, but the WAR on HUMANITY isn’t.

>

>-Allen

>

>

>

>-Allen Graves IBWB ( U.S.A. )

> " Do not let either the medical authorities nor the politicians mislead you.

Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus Pauling

>

> Sites that I've found to be helpful/informative ;

>

> aidscured A good forum for those who

are seeking a non-pharmaceutical solution to illness(es).

> AIDSsoc This forum focuses on the

societal aspects of the " AIDS " myth.

> http://www.aliveandwell.com A more rational, informed perspective on

" AIDS " .

> http://www.virusmyth.com Exposing the erroneous science behind current

" HIV/AIDS " thinking.

> http://www.aidsmythexposed.com Forum with a " WAR On AIDS Science "

conscious focus.

>

> Sites of " ultimate concern " ;

>

> http://www.lucistrust.org/links/index.shtml

> http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/links.shtml

>

>

>

>The New with improved product search

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure if it was you or someone else I had this dame

discussion with some time ago. At that time I was given weblinks

which supposedly *proved* Peter Duesberg helped create HIV, and I

found absolutely no proof -- only allegations. I have read Peter

Duesberg and the others who have similar theories. They seem the

most reasonable & logical to me.

 

BTW, would you please give website URLs for the statements

you make about Duesberg? Even if I disagree with the authors, on

this list we like to have allegations substantiated so interested

persons can check into things which you may feel are obvious facts.

 

With regard to poppers -- I know people in the gay community,

including one synthetic organic chemist. They pointed out to me

that the government outlawed poppers (amyl nitrite) which has

negative impact on the systems of heavy users, but permit butyl

nitrite and other solvents which have a far greater impact on immune

systems of even moderate users. Nitrous oxide (which ahs almost no

negative impact compared to the aforementioned solvents) is almost

universally unavailable on the retail market because of laws

forbidding their use as a recreational drug. All recreational drugs

have an impact on the body, and upon heavy users especially -- but

when the most benign of those drugs becomes unavailable but the far

more harmful drugs remain readily available, the impact upon public

health is sure to be a negative one.

 

Alobar

 

 

-

" F. M. Nicoll " <fmn

 

Friday, September 26, 2003 11:13 AM

Re: The War On " AIDS " ...

 

 

> Hi there! It amazes me that people still buy poppers. It was one of

the

> first things that was suspected, as linked to AIDS and particularly

> K.S.--as well as the Hepatitis B vaccine's link to AIDS. However,

there

> are people who have used poppers for years and do not have AIDS.

Len

> Horrowitz and Boyd Graves have demonstrated the link to the

Hepatitis B

> vaccines (and named the specific batches which had been

deliberately

> contaminated). The Mycoplasma link goes back more than 10 years,

and

> it's a theme which will not go away. Horrowitz & Graves have

described

> it as " viral armour " , and it's certainly capable of destroying the

> immune system over years. Natural therapies have been used since

the

> beginning of the epidemic, and continue to be used. The search for

> effective, non-pharmaceutical therapies is ongoing, even in

" guerilla

> clinical trials " conducted by the people affected by the illness.

This

> is a very stubborn disease! People with AIDS have to take charge of

> their own care, and many do. Yes, I've seen guys murdered by their

> doctors, getting the best treatment available. So called mavericks,

like

> Peter Duesberg, are unreliable. His tune is unchanged over the

years,

> and his theories are so full of holes--with many people who don't

fit

> into his model of causation. He was involved in the creation of

HIV, a

> consultant to the special (secret) virus program at Fort Dietrick,

as

> were other scientists. Neither science nor medicine can be relied

upon,

> as both have prostituted themselves to the military in a genocidal

> program. Steve

>

> Allen Graves wrote:

>

> >Let’s face it..ALL of the cause(s) of " AIDS " , and all of the

cure(s) are known! In the beginning, widespread use of ‘Poppers’ (

nitrites ) caused KS and PCP. That was the first " AIDS " . Then a

lunatic conned the worlds into believing that he had isolated a new

virus, and without peer review of his ‘findings’ , he called a news

conference, and all the rules changed. And changed, and changed

again, over the years.

> >

> >They dragged AZT off of the shelves in Dr. Frankenstein’s

sub-basement vault, and began killing people. Then, when it was

getting close to being figured out, they sold the company and ran for

the hills. In 1993, while actual numbers of sick people were

declining, finally, thanks to the reduction in prescribing AZT, the

definition was changed to include perfectly healthy people.

> >

> >They invented ‘medications’ that interfered with the life cycle of

the cells, a vital life-sustaining process, and started killing

people a little bit more slowly. And STILL blamed it on " HIV " . Now

" AIDS " is virtually every disease known to man. Especially, the

iatrogenic ones...’vaccinations’ that have injected massive amounts

of the popluation with unknown toxins ( NOT ‘inactive viruses’, as is

commonly believed ), antibiotics that cripple the immune system,

circling, in-your-face " bone-pointers " who insist you are dying and

do everything they can to prove it to defend their belief system,

their jobs, and the status-quo that created them. Play by their rules

and you lose.

> >

> >Everything toxic to the body, in one form or another, from

man-made environmental toxins to fungi, bacteria and parasites are

blamed on the " HIV " fiction. There is NO sample of isolated HIV

anywhere. There aren’t even any " retroviruses " , or " oncoviruses " or

whatever side-step they’ve taken in terminology to disguise the

original mis-understanding of Revererse Transcription being naturally

present in many biological processes.

> >

> >The tests are bad science, and used to prove their own validity.

The " HIV Antibody " test can’t detect " HIV " (which is really only

cellular debris), nor can it even detect actual antibodies!. T Cells

counts IN THE BLOOD vary widely among different people and CANNOT be

taken as a measure of health. PCR does not count active virus.

> >

> > " AIDS " ( whatever that might be in each individual case ) is

cured very simply with anti-oxidants, vitamins, and other natural,

healthy substances, and prevented with a return to a healthy, natural

lifestyle. NOT " life-extending " Phama-Toxins that only maim and kill

more slowly.

> >

> > " AIDS " really stands for " Acquired Intelligence Deficiency

Syndrome " , to quote Lanka, and should be renamed " Acquired Energy

Deficiency Syndrome " . Which is what many activists seem to have

acqured...get the word out! Get OFF the DRUGS...which is anything

that NATURE ( or God, depending on your belief system, which is what

sustains you and which is really the most important issue to

address ) didn’t create. " AIDS " is over, but the WAR on HUMANITY isn

’t.

> >

> >-Allen

> >

> >

> >

> >-Allen Graves IBWB ( U.S.A. )

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities nor the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus Pauling

> >

> > Sites that I've found to be helpful/informative ;

> >

> > aidscured A good forum for

those who are seeking a non-pharmaceutical solution to illness(es).

> > AIDSsoc This forum

focuses on the societal aspects of the " AIDS " myth.

> > http://www.aliveandwell.com A more rational, informed

perspective on " AIDS " .

> > http://www.virusmyth.com Exposing the erroneous science

behind current " HIV/AIDS " thinking.

> > http://www.aidsmythexposed.com Forum with a " WAR On AIDS

Science " conscious focus.

> >

> > Sites of " ultimate concern " ;

> >

> > http://www.lucistrust.org/links/index.shtml

> > http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/links.shtml

[Guest guest]

You wrote: " This is a very stubborn disease! People with AIDS have to take

charge of

their own care... "

 

What's so stubborn about it? What's so confusing? It responds extraordinarily

well to Vitamin C megadosing, and nutritional cures. But nobody is going to tell

you that because they won't make any money by doing so. People who survive WALK

AWAY from their allopathic, mainstream doctors and treat themselves, and DO NOT

take the Pharma-toxins....you answered your own question.

 

 

-Allen Graves IBWB ( U.S.A. )

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find

out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy

life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus Pauling

 

Sites that I've found to be helpful/informative ;

 

aidscured A good forum for those who are

seeking a non-pharmaceutical solution to illness(es).

AIDSsoc This forum focuses on the

societal aspects of the " AIDS " myth.

http://www.aliveandwell.com A more rational, informed perspective on

" AIDS " .

http://www.virusmyth.com Exposing the erroneous science behind current

" HIV/AIDS " thinking.

http://www.aidsmythexposed.com Forum with a " WAR On AIDS Science "

conscious focus.

 

Sites of " ultimate concern " ;

 

http://www.lucistrust.org

http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/links.shtml

 

 

 

The New with improved product search

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi there! Yes, indeed, poppers (butyl nitrate) is nasty, toxic stuff.

After all these years, it is still for sale on the counter. People are

still using it, and not becoming HIV+ as a result. Yes, it has been

demonstrated to give a blow to the immune system, yet not resulting in

AIDS. Check out www.tetrahedron.org for Len Horrowitz' website. He

used his training in public health to investigate the origins of AIDS,

and also has a great deal to say about the harm of vaccines. Boyd

Graves' flow chart shows the progression of scientific work, from the

original request by the U.S. military for a stealth virus that

selectively kills. The flow chart can be seen at www.boydgraves.com

Peter Duesberg has impeccable credentials, and this goes a long way to

support his assertions. Many of us would parrot his statements, as

though the Koch postulates (failure) constituted proof that HIV doesn't

cause AIDS--implying that AIDS doesn't exist. Duesberg's theories

involved a toxicological model of AIDS, primarily recreational drugs.

Many persons with AIDS have never taken these. As a disinformant,

Duesberg's job is not to provide answers, merely confuse the issue, and

keep the questions going without ever resolving anything. He hasn't

changed his tune in over a decade, and we're no better informed as a

result. Duesberg's name appears on the government documents of the

" Special Virus Program " , as a consultant. It is likely many scientists

were unknowingly involved, not knowing how their part was connected to

the whole of the research project (Hey, just find us a cancer virus!).

If you read Graves' flow chart in its entirety (it's fairly easy), it

would be very difficult to find room for doubt that Horrowitz and Graves

have located the origins of AIDS in a military genocidal program. Your

frustration with the issue is understandable. We all like simple

answers. I like simple answers. Accepting that anyone, much less a

government body would do something this horrible, leaves our whole

system up for evaluation. Steve

 

Alobar wrote:

 

> I am not sure if it was you or someone else I had this dame

>discussion with some time ago. At that time I was given weblinks

>which supposedly *proved* Peter Duesberg helped create HIV, and I

>found absolutely no proof -- only allegations. I have read Peter

>Duesberg and the others who have similar theories. They seem the

>most reasonable & logical to me.

>

> BTW, would you please give website URLs for the statements

>you make about Duesberg? Even if I disagree with the authors, on

>this list we like to have allegations substantiated so interested

>persons can check into things which you may feel are obvious facts.

>

> With regard to poppers -- I know people in the gay community,

>including one synthetic organic chemist. They pointed out to me

>that the government outlawed poppers (amyl nitrite) which has

>negative impact on the systems of heavy users, but permit butyl

>nitrite and other solvents which have a far greater impact on immune

>systems of even moderate users. Nitrous oxide (which ahs almost no

>negative impact compared to the aforementioned solvents) is almost

>universally unavailable on the retail market because of laws

>forbidding their use as a recreational drug. All recreational drugs

>have an impact on the body, and upon heavy users especially -- but

>when the most benign of those drugs becomes unavailable but the far

>more harmful drugs remain readily available, the impact upon public

>health is sure to be a negative one.

>

>Alobar

>

>

>-

> " F. M. Nicoll " <fmn

>

>Friday, September 26, 2003 11:13 AM

>Re: The War On " AIDS " ...

>

>>Hi there! It amazes me that people still buy poppers. It was one of

>the

>first things that was suspected, as linked to AIDS and particularly

>>K.S.--as well as the Hepatitis B vaccine's link to AIDS. However,

>there

>>are people who have used poppers for years and do not have AIDS.

>Len

Horowitz and Boyd Graves have demonstrated the link to the

 

>Hepatitis B

>>vaccines (and named the specific batches which had been

>deliberately

>>contaminated). The Mycoplasma link goes back more than 10 years,

>and

>>it's a theme which will not go away. Horrowitz & Graves have

>described

>>it as " viral armour " , and it's certainly capable of destroying the

>>immune system over years. Natural therapies have been used since

>the

>>beginning of the epidemic, and continue to be used. The search for

>>effective, non-pharmaceutical therapies is ongoing, even in

> " guerilla

>>clinical trials " conducted by the people affected by the illness.

>This

>>is a very stubborn disease! People with AIDS have to take charge of

>>their own care, and many do. Yes, I've seen guys murdered by their

>>doctors, getting the best treatment available. So called mavericks,

>like

>>Peter Duesberg, are unreliable. His tune is unchanged over the

>years,

>>and his theories are so full of holes--with many people who don't

>fit

>>into his model of causation. He was involved in the creation of

>HIV, a

>>consultant to the special (secret) virus program at Fort Dietrick,

>as

>>were other scientists. Neither science nor medicine can be relied

>upon,

>>as both have prostituted themselves to the military in a genocidal

>>program. Steve

>>Allen Graves wrote:

>>>Let’s face it..ALL of the cause(s) of " AIDS " , and all of the

>cure(s) are known! In the beginning, widespread use of ‘Poppers’ (

>nitrites ) caused KS and PCP. That was the first " AIDS " . Then a

>lunatic conned the worlds into believing that he had isolated a new

>virus, and without peer review of his ‘findings’ , he called a news

>conference, and all the rules changed. And changed, and changed

>again, over the years.

>>>They dragged AZT off of the shelves in Dr. Frankenstein’s

>sub-basement vault, and began killing people. Then, when it was

>getting close to being figured out, they sold the company and ran for

>the hills. In 1993, while actual numbers of sick people were

>declining, finally, thanks to the reduction in prescribing AZT, the

>definition was changed to include perfectly healthy people.

>>>They invented ‘medications’ that interfered with the life cycle of

>the cells, a vital life-sustaining process, and started killing

>people a little bit more slowly. And STILL blamed it on " HIV " . Now

> " AIDS " is virtually every disease known to man. Especially, the

>iatrogenic ones...’vaccinations’ that have injected massive amounts

>of the popluation with unknown toxins ( NOT ‘inactive viruses’, as is

>commonly believed ), antibiotics that cripple the immune system,

>circling, in-your-face " bone-pointers " who insist you are dying and

>do everything they can to prove it to defend their belief system,

>their jobs, and the status-quo that created them. Play by their rules

>and you lose.

>>>Everything toxic to the body, in one form or another, from

>man-made environmental toxins to fungi, bacteria and parasites are

>blamed on the " HIV " fiction. There is NO sample of isolated HIV

>anywhere. There aren’t even any " retroviruses " , or " oncoviruses " or

>whatever side-step they’ve taken in terminology to disguise the

>original mis-understanding of Revererse Transcription being naturally

>present in many biological processes.

>

>

>>>The tests are bad science, and used to prove their own validity.

>The " HIV Antibody " test can’t detect " HIV " (which is really only

>cellular debris), nor can it even detect actual antibodies!. T Cells

>counts IN THE BLOOD vary widely among different people and CANNOT be

>taken as a measure of health. PCR does not count active virus.

>

>

>>> " AIDS " ( whatever that might be in each individual case ) is

>cured very simply with anti-oxidants, vitamins, and other natural,

>healthy substances, and prevented with a return to a healthy, natural

>lifestyle. NOT " life-extending " Phama-Toxins that only maim and kill

>more slowly.

>

>

>>> " AIDS " really stands for " Acquired Intelligence Deficiency

>Syndrome " , to quote Lanka, and should be renamed " Acquired Energy

>Deficiency Syndrome " . Which is what many activists seem to have

>acqured...get the word out! Get OFF the DRUGS...which is anything

>that NATURE ( or God, depending on your belief system, which is what

>sustains you and which is really the most important issue to

>address ) didn’t create. " AIDS " is over, but the WAR on HUMANITY isn

>’t.

>>>-Allen

 

>>>-Allen Graves IBWB ( U.S.A. )

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities nor the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

>about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

>Linus Pauling

>

>

>>> Sites that I've found to be helpful/informative ;

aidscured A good forum for

>those who are seeking a non-pharmaceutical solution to illness(es).

AIDSsoc This forum

>focuses on the societal aspects of the " AIDS " myth.

http://www.aliveandwell.com A more rational, informed

>perspective on " AIDS " .

http://www.virusmyth.com Exposing the erroneous science

behind current " HIV/AIDS " thinking.

http://www.aidsmythexposed.com Forum with a " WAR On AIDS

Science " conscious focus.

Sites of " ultimate concern " ;

http://www.lucistrust.org/links/index.shtml

http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/links.shtml