Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Let’s face it..ALL of the cause(s) of " AIDS " , and all of the cure(s) are known! In the beginning, widespread use of ‘Poppers’ ( nitrites ) caused KS and PCP. That was the first " AIDS " . Then a lunatic conned the worlds into believing that he had isolated a new virus, and without peer review of his ‘findings’ , he called a news conference, and all the rules changed. And changed, and changed again, over the years. They dragged AZT off of the shelves in Dr. Frankenstein’s sub-basement vault, and began killing people. Then, when it was getting close to being figured out, they sold the company and ran for the hills. In 1993, while actual numbers of sick people were declining, finally, thanks to the reduction in prescribing AZT, the definition was changed to include perfectly healthy people. They invented ‘medications’ that interfered with the life cycle of the cells, a vital life-sustaining process, and started killing people a little bit more slowly. And STILL blamed it on " HIV " . Now " AIDS " is virtually every disease known to man. Especially, the iatrogenic ones...’vaccinations’ that have injected massive amounts of the popluation with unknown toxins ( NOT ‘inactive viruses’, as is commonly believed ), antibiotics that cripple the immune system, circling, in-your-face " bone-pointers " who insist you are dying and do everything they can to prove it to defend their belief system, their jobs, and the status-quo that created them. Play by their rules and you lose. Everything toxic to the body, in one form or another, from man-made environmental toxins to fungi, bacteria and parasites are blamed on the " HIV " fiction. There is NO sample of isolated HIV anywhere. There aren’t even any " retroviruses " , or " oncoviruses " or whatever side-step they’ve taken in terminology to disguise the original mis-understanding of Revererse Transcription being naturally present in many biological processes. The tests are bad science, and used to prove their own validity. The " HIV Antibody " test can’t detect " HIV " (which is really only cellular debris), nor can it even detect actual antibodies!. T Cells counts IN THE BLOOD vary widely among different people and CANNOT be taken as a measure of health. PCR does not count active virus. " AIDS " ( whatever that might be in each individual case ) is cured very simply with anti-oxidants, vitamins, and other natural, healthy substances, and prevented with a return to a healthy, natural lifestyle. NOT " life-extending " Phama-Toxins that only maim and kill more slowly. " AIDS " really stands for " Acquired Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome " , to quote Lanka, and should be renamed " Acquired Energy Deficiency Syndrome " . Which is what many activists seem to have acqured...get the word out! Get OFF the DRUGS...which is anything that NATURE ( or God, depending on your belief system, which is what sustains you and which is really the most important issue to address ) didn’t create. " AIDS " is over, but the WAR on HUMANITY isn’t. -Allen -Allen Graves IBWB ( U.S.A. ) " Do not let either the medical authorities nor the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus Pauling Sites that I've found to be helpful/informative ; aidscured A good forum for those who are seeking a non-pharmaceutical solution to illness(es). AIDSsoc This forum focuses on the societal aspects of the " AIDS " myth. http://www.aliveandwell.com A more rational, informed perspective on " AIDS " . http://www.virusmyth.com Exposing the erroneous science behind current " HIV/AIDS " thinking. http://www.aidsmythexposed.com Forum with a " WAR On AIDS Science " conscious focus. Sites of " ultimate concern " ; http://www.lucistrust.org/links/index.shtml http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/links.shtml The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Hey Alobar and All, It may have been me as I have posted AIDS Dissident Scientific resources and information here previously. Boyd Graves and Horowitz are conspiratorialists and not part of the movement to reappraise or rethink the 'HIV/AIDS' hypothesis, also known as AIDS Dissidents. This is the first I have ever heard that Peter Deusberg created 'HIV' in some lab. Anyway, he is a retrovirus pioneer once praise by Gallo, the socalled co-discoverer. Retroviruses are the class of viruses 'HIV' is supposed to be and which were once thought the cause of cancer and leukemia in the 1970s. He, along with some AIDS Dissident Scientists, say that 'HIV' is a harmless passenger retrovirus, like most retroviruses which are a part of all of genetic make-up and have never been shown to be disease-causing. And I would agree some of Peter Deusbergs research has been found lacking, specifically as to the causes of 'AIDS' attributed illnesses as being primarily drug related. This has been perhaps most successfully disputed by the Perth Group of Australian AIDS Dissident Scientists lead by Dr. Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos. Please see the links below. They and many other AIDS Dissident Scientists say that 'HIV' has never been properly isolated and cannot be accurately tested for. In either case, they are both saying it is unecessary to test for or treat 'HIV.' The other misunderstanding of AIDS Dissidents is that we accept the definition and diagnosis of what is called 'AIDS' and merely dispute it's cause or causes, whether it is 'HIV' or other co- factors/co-causes. Although some AIDS Dissidents refer to 'AIDS' they do not accept the CDC classification requiring 'HIV' infection and one or more of the 29 'AIDS' defining conditons. They are instead referring to AID or Aquired Immune Deficiency of which there are many known co-causes. In fact, Alternative Medicine would likely say that all illness is related to a socalled 'immune deficiency.' Did you know there were hundreds of dissenting or dissident scientists, Nobel Laureates and Members of the National Academy of Sciences, who are confirming Alternative Medicine's long questioning of the virus/germ mode or 'one-cause, one-course' drug-based model? I support fully informed consent and a free scientific inquiry and access to alternative health care. Unfortunately, much of the AIDS Industry does not respect these basic health and human rights. No conspiracy is required in order for popular concensus to have lead to false conclusions. It is an epidemic of ignorance, arrogence, fear and greed. RESOURCES FOR FURTHER RESEARCH: The GROUP for the SCIENTIFIC REAPPRAISAL of the HIV/AIDS HYPOTHESIS [3000+ pages of articles, papers] http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/find.htm BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL [bMJ] MODERATED ONLINE DEBATE ON HIV/AIDS http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/326/7387/495 [especially note referenced contributions of The Perth Group of Austrailian AIDS Dissident Scientists, lead by biophysicist Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, whose other extensive archives are found here] http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/perthgroup/ Roberto Giraldo, MD President of The Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis http://www.robertogiraldo.com/eng/papers/papers.html REBUTTAL TO NIAID/NIH " Evidence for HIV " DOCUMENT http://www.healtoronto.com/nih INTERNATIONAL AIDS PANEL, INTERIM REPORT Synthesis of deliberations by the panel of experts invited by the President of South Africa, Thabo Mbeki and the ten experiments the Panel designed in attempt to resolve the controversy, endorsed by the African National Congress [AIDS Dissidents/'Denialists' and AIDS Apologists/Orthodoxy] http://www.polity.org.za/govdocs/reports/aids/aidspanel.htm REBUTTAL TO DURBAN DECLARATION http://thedurbandeclaration.org/ HEAL [Health Education AIDS Liason] http://www.healtoronto.com ANOTHER LOOK [breastfeeding and 'HIV/AIDS'] http://www.anotherlook.org MOMM [Mothers Opposing Mandatory Medicine] http://www.informedmomm.com ALIVE and WELL http://www.aliveandwell.org AIDS MYTH EXPOSED [Largest AIDS message board on MSN] http://www.aidsmythexposed.com HIV/AIDS ALTERNATIVE VIEWS [Forum on Delphi Network] http://forums.about.com/innocuous SIGN and READ OVER 7,000 ONLINE SIGNATORIES OF THE PETITION TO SUPPORT SOUTH AFRICAN PRESIDENT THABO MBEKI's SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH ABOUT THE DEFINITION, DIAGNOSIS, CAUSATION AND PREVENTION OF 'HIV/AIDS:' http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/news/mbeki.htm Will you offer the human, moral response by adding your voices in supporting: FULLY INFORMED CONSENT, before someone is given information about 'HIV/AIDS' or given an 'HIV' antibody test, given a diagnosis of death and told to expect illness with 'AIDS' or prescribed up to forty highly toxic, experimental chemo-therapy like drugs. The AIDS Industry should provide access to AIDS Alternative resources and information, including those dissenting from, and uncomplementary to, the dominant, conventional pharmaceutically-based medical model for the alleged viral pathogenesis and progression of 'HIV=AIDS.' FREE SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY and EXCHANGE, end to AIDS Apologist arrogance and ignorance in not supporting even 1% of research, education and health care dollars directed to exploring outside the virus/germ 'one- cause, one-course or cure' drug-based model-- including the Dissident Scientific and Alternative Medicine paradigm and protocols. PROPORTIONATE ACCESS TO ALTERNATIVE HEALTH CARE, when more than 50% of those 'HIV/AIDS' diagnosed do not avail conventional drug therapies and 40-69% of Americans use some form of Alternative Medicine-- AIDS Apologists do not support even 1% of the health care budget in providing primary Alternative Health Care which is more cost effective and at least as clinically efficacious without major side effects. The CDC/NIH/NIAID/NCCAM currently do not fund any research outside the dominant, conventional medical model, research that challenges or does not accept without question, the 'HIV' theory of immuno- deficiency. Dissident Scientists and Advocates and Alternative Medicine Physicians and Consumers are addressing the health of such persons given an 'HIV/AIDS' [mis]diagnosis, though are not involved in treating 'HIV' or 'AIDS' as we do not accept the evidence as sufficient in establishing 'HIV' non-specific antibody response, indicating anything more than past exposure, current immunity or one, possible indicator of a stressed immune system. We also do not accept the evidence as sufficient establishing the 'AIDS' definition valid as diagnosis, since all of the 'AIDS' defining conditions occur in those who test 'HIV' negative, and all have seperate causes and treatments unrelated to 'HIV' or 'AIDS.' The definition and diagnosis of 'AIDS' is therefore a circular construct, in which 29 old illnesses are lumped under a new classification called 'AIDS' only in persons who test 'HIV' positive-- whatever that non-specific marker means. HOW CAN YOU HELP? By communicating these concerns to your local 'HIV/AIDS' service provider, AIDS organization, community center, religious or civic leaders and representatives-- you can become a part of the solution in peace-making and justice-pursuing in this matter. Persons are being given a diagnosis of death, told to expect illness and prescribed up to 40 highly toxic and experimental drugs known to cause many of the 'AIDS' [re]defining conditions. Messages from this billion dollar health scare campaign teach people to fear sex and equate love-making with life-taking. If enough people hear from enough all of us, it will make a difference with policy makers and program personel. == If not you, who will be the answer? If not you, who will heal the cancer? If not you . . . who? Who will tell the children that they can fly? Who will play the catcher in the rye? Where are the teachers who ask the reasons why? In the schools the minds all die. , " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote: > I am not sure if it was you or someone else I had this dame > discussion with some time ago. At that time I was given weblinks > which supposedly *proved* Peter Duesberg helped create HIV, and I > found absolutely no proof -- only allegations. I have read Peter > Duesberg and the others who have similar theories. They seem the > most reasonable & logical to me. > > BTW, would you please give website URLs for the statements > you make about Duesberg? Even if I disagree with the authors, on > this list we like to have allegations substantiated so interested > persons can check into things which you may feel are obvious facts. > > With regard to poppers -- I know people in the gay community, > including one synthetic organic chemist. They pointed out to me > that the government outlawed poppers (amyl nitrite) which has > negative impact on the systems of heavy users, but permit butyl > nitrite and other solvents which have a far greater impact on immune > systems of even moderate users. Nitrous oxide (which ahs almost no > negative impact compared to the aforementioned solvents) is almost > universally unavailable on the retail market because of laws > forbidding their use as a recreational drug. All recreational drugs > have an impact on the body, and upon heavy users especially -- but > when the most benign of those drugs becomes unavailable but the far > more harmful drugs remain readily available, the impact upon public > health is sure to be a negative one. > > Alobar > > > - > " F. M. Nicoll " <fmn@t...> > > Friday, September 26, 2003 11:13 AM > Re: The War On " AIDS " ... > > > > Hi there! It amazes me that people still buy poppers. It was one of > the > > first things that was suspected, as linked to AIDS and particularly > > K.S.--as well as the Hepatitis B vaccine's link to AIDS. However, > there > > are people who have used poppers for years and do not have AIDS. > Len > > Horrowitz and Boyd Graves have demonstrated the link to the > Hepatitis B > > vaccines (and named the specific batches which had been > deliberately > > contaminated). The Mycoplasma link goes back more than 10 years, > and > > it's a theme which will not go away. Horrowitz & Graves have > described > > it as " viral armour " , and it's certainly capable of destroying the > > immune system over years. Natural therapies have been used since > the > > beginning of the epidemic, and continue to be used. The search for > > effective, non-pharmaceutical therapies is ongoing, even in > " guerilla > > clinical trials " conducted by the people affected by the illness. > This > > is a very stubborn disease! People with AIDS have to take charge of > > their own care, and many do. Yes, I've seen guys murdered by their > > doctors, getting the best treatment available. So called mavericks, > like > > Peter Duesberg, are unreliable. His tune is unchanged over the > years, > > and his theories are so full of holes--with many people who don't > fit > > into his model of causation. He was involved in the creation of > HIV, a > > consultant to the special (secret) virus program at Fort Dietrick, > as > > were other scientists. Neither science nor medicine can be relied > upon, > > as both have prostituted themselves to the military in a genocidal > > program. Steve > > > > Allen Graves wrote: > > > > >Let's face it..ALL of the cause(s) of " AIDS " , and all of the > cure(s) are known! In the beginning, widespread use of `Poppers' ( > nitrites ) caused KS and PCP. That was the first " AIDS " . Then a > lunatic conned the worlds into believing that he had isolated a new > virus, and without peer review of his `findings' , he called a news > conference, and all the rules changed. And changed, and changed > again, over the years. > > > > > >They dragged AZT off of the shelves in Dr. Frankenstein's > sub-basement vault, and began killing people. Then, when it was > getting close to being figured out, they sold the company and ran for > the hills. In 1993, while actual numbers of sick people were > declining, finally, thanks to the reduction in prescribing AZT, the > definition was changed to include perfectly healthy people. > > > > > >They invented `medications' that interfered with the life cycle of > the cells, a vital life-sustaining process, and started killing > people a little bit more slowly. And STILL blamed it on " HIV " . Now > " AIDS " is virtually every disease known to man. Especially, the > iatrogenic ones...'vaccinations' that have injected massive amounts > of the popluation with unknown toxins ( NOT `inactive viruses', as is > commonly believed ), antibiotics that cripple the immune system, > circling, in-your-face " bone-pointers " who insist you are dying and > do everything they can to prove it to defend their belief system, > their jobs, and the status-quo that created them. Play by their rules > and you lose. > > > > > >Everything toxic to the body, in one form or another, from > man-made environmental toxins to fungi, bacteria and parasites are > blamed on the " HIV " fiction. There is NO sample of isolated HIV > anywhere. There aren't even any " retroviruses " , or " oncoviruses " or > whatever side-step they've taken in terminology to disguise the > original mis-understanding of Revererse Transcription being naturally > present in many biological processes. > > > > > >The tests are bad science, and used to prove their own validity. > The " HIV Antibody " test can't detect " HIV " (which is really only > cellular debris), nor can it even detect actual antibodies!. T Cells > counts IN THE BLOOD vary widely among different people and CANNOT be > taken as a measure of health. PCR does not count active virus. > > > > > > " AIDS " ( whatever that might be in each individual case ) is > cured very simply with anti-oxidants, vitamins, and other natural, > healthy substances, and prevented with a return to a healthy, natural > lifestyle. NOT " life-extending " Phama-Toxins that only maim and kill > more slowly. > > > > > > " AIDS " really stands for " Acquired Intelligence Deficiency > Syndrome " , to quote Lanka, and should be renamed " Acquired Energy > Deficiency Syndrome " . Which is what many activists seem to have > acqured...get the word out! Get OFF the DRUGS...which is anything > that NATURE ( or God, depending on your belief system, which is what > sustains you and which is really the most important issue to > address ) didn't create. " AIDS " is over, but the WAR on HUMANITY isn > 't. > > > > > >-Allen > > > > > > > > > > > >-Allen Graves IBWB ( U.S.A. ) > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities nor the politicians > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions > about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - > Linus Pauling > > > > > > Sites that I've found to be helpful/informative ; > > > > > > aidscured A good forum for > those who are seeking a non-pharmaceutical solution to illness(es). > > > AIDSsoc This forum > focuses on the societal aspects of the " AIDS " myth. > > > http://www.aliveandwell.com A more rational, informed > perspective on " AIDS " . > > > http://www.virusmyth.com Exposing the erroneous science > behind current " HIV/AIDS " thinking. > > > http://www.aidsmythexposed.com Forum with a " WAR On AIDS > Science " conscious focus. > > > > > > Sites of " ultimate concern " ; > > > > > > http://www.lucistrust.org/links/index.shtml > > > http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/links.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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