Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 ---hi evelyn and a warm welcome .. lots to share with you to start The sin bin -Vested interest Apathy and other unworthy systems As you can see I am not the only one saying this is happening hi my background is research inventions where i am in touch with quite a few other researchers some of whom have suffered massively dealing with vested interest factions. so if you value your health you better get aware of these problems and the health care systems this information certainly has the capacity to unnerve you. However if you do like to know what is going on and are not afraid of the truth read on, it is very enlightening. Drugs and other treatments There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on the subject of drugs and research and treatment At present the system in England is this ,and this principle will apply to other countries as well all treatment recommended by the health care people should be tested and approved and quite rightly so Obviously it costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments because of the possible damage to people and the subsequent litigation costing millions of pounds. The point is this Where does this money come from to test and approve treatments? By far the biggest source is the drug companies. Do you think drug companies are some charitable institution – in the main they are there to make profit What do you think the implications of that statement means So take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves to know more –right, you could not be more wrong. By and large only treatments which show a profit will even get examined. Because they are in business to make a profit, not for serving the people. So many of the thousands of therapies which they see as having no profit potential do not get approved and thus by and large do not get recommended by your local doctor or hospital despite the fact that some of them do have overwhelming benefits some which have saved needless operations, needless amputations, needless pain and trauma, needless kidney failures and much loss of life. Did you know there are groups of people begging drug companies to look into certain therapies for their possible benefit but many wont –why money in the main Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher , what does this mean , he is very taxed with his time that means he cannot do research he finds it very difficult to keep up with what is goig on in the main he is told what to prescribe he does not even have the time often to look at research. At this minute 2004 approx 5000 Beds are being taken up by people who have had reactions to drugs. Some will die others will be maimed .That is fact So Mrs Jones by and large you will probably only get recommended treatments where there is profit in them for someone. Have you heard your local doctor recommend, Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices, Electrical Frequency devices. Has he ever mentioned nutrition what you eat how much protein carbo vitamins etc . All of these have shown their inherent worth with thousands if not millions of testimonials. As you can see this system in its present state is inherently flawed which is why you are getting recommended what you are that is until the day comes when most of the research and testing is done by an agency with no vested interests attached and a clear agenda of being objective. Acting for he people There is clear evidence that some of these drug companies will even go much further than just dismiss this proposed treatment especially if it is going to affect their profits. Imagine this 10 000 patients on some drug costing say 500-1000 pounds each per year Average time to get well 20 yrs –income in that time –go on work it out Then an invention come s along and hey presto we can get them well in just 6 weeks at a cost of 200 quid Do you think they will just sit around and go err – what planet are you on jack? Ever heard of a brilliant doctor with the name of Raymond rife the gifted scientist and winner of 14 government awards including scientist of the year award twice. Rife discovered that some major diseases could be eliminated with frequencies based on that diseases individual electromagnetic signature. He uses the same effect, which causes a glass to shatter by the use of some peoples voices. These distinguished medical doctors who originally confirmed part or this entire discovery included: E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (Chief of Bacteriology, 32 yrs., at Mayo Clinic), Fredrich Koch (Detroit, Brazil), Gaston Naessens (Quebec), Sakae Inoue (Japan), Georges Mazet (France,), Franz Gerlach (Germany), Niello Mori and Clara Fonti (Italy), Cameron Gruner (McGill Univ.), T.J. Glover (Canada), Florence Seibert (V.A. Research Lab,Bay Pines, Fla.), Irene Diller (Inst. of Cancer Research, Phila, Penn), Eleanor Alex. Jackson and Virginia Livingston (NJ & San Diego clinics). But events started to happen; firstly, arsonists burned the Burnett Lab in New Jersey, which was validating Rife's work. Then, someone fatally poisoned Dr. Milbank Johnson, president of the Southern California American Medical Association. He died just hours before a scheduled press conference in which he was to announce that Rife's electronic therapy cured every terminal patient in a study supervised by the University of Southern California. Dr. Nemes, who duplicated some of Rife's work just 40 miles from Rife's lab, was killed in a mysterious fire, which destroyed his lab. Rife stopped work, but died at Grossmont Hospital from a lethal dose of Valium. Following Dr. Milbank Johnson's murder, threats, other incidents followed; 30 doctors once photographed honoring Rife at a banquet now denied they ever knew him! Dr. Isaac Kendall, Rife's chief research associate and Dean of Northwestern Medical School, received $200,000 in " grants " & disappeared. Was this a bribe? Dr. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler in 1947 while studying tumors found the same organism in all of them. Her findings were published in August 1948 by the New York Microscopical Society Bullitin. Later in Dec. 1950 Wheeler had an article published in the American Journal of Medical Sciences on microbes cultures taken from both human and animal tumors. On Sept. 10, 1953 The Washington Post reported the discoveries of Dr. Wheeler and her team from Rutgers-Presbyterian Hospital Laboratory which were disclosed at the 6 th International Congress of Microbiology in Rome. They had found conclusive proof of a microbial cause for cancer. When Dr. Wheeler and her group returned from Rome to Rutgers- Presbyterian Hospital they found that the funds for their laboratory were being cut off. The laboratory was closed. This was the behind- the-scenes work and doings of Dr. Corneluis P. Rhoads, the head of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. The fear of the cancer industry elite is and was immense. If the truth about the true cause of cancer becomes known a cheap cure will be found shortly thereafter. This will kill the cancer goose which lays tens of billions of dollars worth of eggs a year. Is there nothing these scum will not do for their god money? No And it does not stop there John Walsh head of the cayce center in Durham England had a stuttering problem which he cured using the recommendations of Edgar cayce , naturally he wanted to share this with the stuttering society so that others may alleviate their suffering, at a meeting he was going to deliver a talk telling people of how he did it but just as he was about to speak , he was stopped and the only reason John says is that the organizers realized that if this information got out it could mean the end of their society. Doctors Hertal and Blanc undertook research on the effects of microwave ovens and declared that foods cooked in this way posed a greater risk to health than cooking by conventional means, food cooked in this way seemed to have a cancerous effect on the blood. A gag order was issued on both of these doctors .DR Hertal stood his ground and fought the decision and the European court of Human rights issued an order saying the gag order was contrary to the right of Human expression and Switzerland was ordered to pay compensation. Personally I have been extensively involved in sharing the Edgar Cayce information, Spiritual healing and some information on the rife machine over the Internet on problems like MS Parkinsons, Galucoma, Myasthenia gravis etc. On the issue of M.S.thousands of groups who had a site on the Internet were contacted including support groups, hospitals etc. Major foundations and national societies were contacted as well. These people have clear mission statements saying for example, for the treatment, support and research on M.S.The response from thousands of contacts-only a few even replied with some interest despite numerous approaches and despite mentioning the clear evidence which the meridian research institute was getting using the cayce therapies. The next to try was the Myasthenia gravis association which is located in Derby England, Cayce gave a couple of readings on this problem, despite phone calls and letters and e mails including letters to the chairman not one person came back to me .I tried a few hundred other M.G. Associations throughout the Internet and only a very few were interested. The others did not even reply. Cayce on Glaucoma was also tried, again writing, and e mailing to many National associations and support groups again with very little interest. Also tried was posting information on the discussion forums on the Internet, Many were removed, the " Wills eye hospital in the USA were highly guilty of this. After this I tried Cayce on Parkinson's again the same procedure was followed I even tried writing and e mailing to Mary Baker chairman of the Parkinson's society in England, she did not even reply. National organizations were contacted and support groups, the results only about 5% showed any interest at all. The conclusion: Clearly there are forces out there that would do anything to protect their interests , your unnecessary suffering is of no consequence to them at all. There are lots of Charities, organizations, associations, support groups who are proclaiming all sorts of things, which have a sacred duty, to give you information, to conduct and fund research, to push forward their cause, which are failing miserably you the patient. They are seemingly more interested in maintaining the status quo, keeping their jobs or are just apathetic. As you can see they are not to be relied upon if you value your health. Conclusion One must take responsibility for their own wellness, not hand the problem over to others. I advocate that most research should be done by perhaps government organizations with the only vested interest in mind of that of the patient, but that is a long way off. As many NEXUS readers will know, Dr Hulda Clark has helped thousands of people around the world cure themselves of many ailments and diseases. Her approach is to remove exposure to solvents and to remove parasites from the body. On 20 September, Dr Hulda Clark was arrested in San Diego. She was subsequently held in a prison in Santa fee, waiting extradition to Indiana where she is charged with practicing medicine without a license, a class C felony with a penalty of two to eight years in prison. The patients in her clinic in Mexico most of them terminally ill, but getting better under Dr Clark's supervision had to be sent home to try to do the protocols on their own. Dr Clark was escorted from prison on 4 October and arrived in Indiana on 6 October at 2.30 am. A hearing was held at 9.00 am and bail was set at US$10,000. Dr Clark was offered a plea bargain with a fine if she pleaded guilty, but she pleaded not guilty. The trial will be held on 2 February 2000. Other pioneers some of which we are in great debt too J.C. Burnett: His " electronic medicine research lab " was burnt to the ground while he was visiting Rife in 1939, just before the Rife technology itself was attacked Harry Oldfield: dismissed when he wanted to publish his research demonstrating the damage done to the human energy field by chemotherapy treatment Upton, Knuth and Armstrong: inventors of the " homeotron " -forced into bankruptcy DR Albert Abrams: inventor of the " Oscilloclast " , a forerunner of the Rife generator. Slated by the establishment. Denounced as a quack and a charlatan in 18 consecutive issues of " The Scientific American " . Died in shame and ignominy George Lahovsky: Inventor of the " multi-wave oscillator " . Run over by a car and died 1943. Bill Morre (researcher and author): fled into retreat George De La Warre: Nearly bankrupted by legal proceedings DR Franz Anton Mesmer: used magnets for healing - struck off Ruth Drown: inventor of the " Radio Vision Instrument " and " Homo- vibra ray instrument " - committed suicide Wilhelm Reich: inventor of " Orgone Energy Accumulator " - died in prison C.M. Allen: driven insane DR M.K. Jessup: reporter of the infamous " Philadelphia Experiment " - suicide/murdered DR Max Gerson: Used natural treatment regime to cure cancer, Multiple Sclerosis and other disease. AMA harassment forced him to close clinic and re-open in Mexico Harry Hoxsey: (cured cancer using herbs). Mentally and financially ruined by legal proceedings and AMA harassment. Arrested 157 times in 16 months. Died in suspicious circumstances, possibly murdered Rene Caisse: (also cured cancer-using herbs). The 'Canadian Ministry of Health and Welfare' had the whole of the records destroyed immediately after her death in 1978. These records detailed thousands of cured patients. DR Lawrence Burton: Fraudulently accused of spreading AIDS contaminated serum forcing the Bahamian government to close it down under American pressure DR Stanislaw Burzynski: Ordered by FDA to stop development of his highly effective 'anti-neoplaston' treatment program. Raided and had all his scientific, medical and personal records seized which were never returned Gaston Naessens: microbiologist - still alive and working with Rife type microscope today. Developer of 714X cancer treatment - Prosecuted for fraud and driven out of France. Prosecuted and threatened again with life imprisonment in Canada but was acquitted Dr. Andrew C. Ivy: world-renowned medical researcher. Researcher of " Krebiozen " (harmless chemical compound which was claimed to have observable, often curative benefits in 70% of cancer cases) suspended from membership of the Chicago Medical Society, removed from the vice presidency of the University of Illinois, and had his " resignation " accepted by both national cancer societies. AMA declared Krebiozen " worthless " six weeks after he published his research (1951) even though a properly conducted trial would take 3- 5 years, dismissed all of his conclusions, discredited his research methods and suggested that his belief in the compound was due to senility. Edward J. McCabe: Health journalist who reported success of oxygen therapy. Sentenced to 3 years in prison on the pre-text of tax evasion 1999 (and served 2 years). DR William F. Koch: Medical doctor, Professor of chemistry, histology and physiology. Inventor of " Glyoxylide catalyst " cure for cancer. Sued by FDA but was acquitted after 600 doctors testified in his favor. Died of poisoning, 1967. Dr. F.M. Eugene Blass: Developer of " Homozon™ " (the original oxygen therapy product) - murdered outside his house, same year and month as DR Koch. DR Basil Earle Wainright: Physicist - inventor of polyatomic apheuresis oxygen therapy. Imprisoned for 4 years. Claims he survived six assassination attempts whilst in prison. DR George A. Freibott, IV. President of the American Naturopathic Association, consultant for International Association for Oxygen Therapy, US Government approved and internationally accepted expert witness on oxygen/oxidation therapies. Survived numerous assassination attempts and several anonymous phone calls threatening him with his life. DR James Boyce: Turned 254 people HIV+ to HIV- using ozone therapy: Charged with using unproven methods and sentenced to 5 years in prison. Had his medical license revoked. Ken Thiefault sold ozone generators: Sentenced to 7 years in prison for making medical claims for ozone generators. His wife was sentenced to three years. In Paul millers book on harry edwards and spiritual healing there are a number of issues which are mentioned. 1.Harry it seems had enormous resistance to his work from certain quarters people who claimed to be doctors but had it seems there own hidden agendas. Harry presented a whole host of cases, which were restored to good health from being proclaimed incurable. Some doctors were called to account for this. They would evade the issue and give a variety of reasons for example the patient despite being born with terrible deformations had a temporary remission which the healer was not slow to point out seemed to occur just after healing had taken place. The general medical view was that they would see the patient in a few more years to check his progress .At the right time harry then raised the issue again only to be told that too much time had elapsed. 2.Another famous expletive was wrongly labelled x-rays and spontaneous healing. Many times doctors opened up a patient to find a growth only to find that it was gone. Mistaken diagnosis was another favourite. So you see that there are certain elements within the medical profession who would gladly not see this work at all to the cost of millions of peoples suffering. Their motives can only be guessed at. On the other hand there are many brilliant doctors out there some of which attended the sanctuary witnessing many healings and many presented their own problems to harry for healing. Oh yes the church, Harry it seems had many dealings with the church and it seems was very disappointed to see that the church had failed miserably its duty to go forth and heal the sick as the master Jesus commanded. Harry had invited numerous priests and bishops to his healing demonstrations where they could witness right in front of their very eyes some of the fantastic things which were going on .He was disappointed that the archbishop of Canterbury had declined the invitation to attend one of his healing demonstrations right under the cathedral. But it started the seemingly very little known commission to investigate divine healing. This commission had the archbishop of Canterbury and York seeking the co-operation of the British medical association who appointed a number of physicians to examine the evidence put before them by the man they had jointly denigrated. It was over two years before the Anglican Church got their act together. They actually asked Harry to submit just six cases for investigation –six can you imagine that number for a proper investigation. Harry thought the same and submitted seventy many of which were considered incurable by their very own doctors. After submitting these and giving a lengthy address the response was astonishing One of these so called doctors stood up and claimed they could have been spontaneous healing, but Harry had pointed out it was the doctors themselves who proclaimed these people were incurable. Unbelievably no proper scientific examination of the seventy cases was carried out. Harry was offered a position in the Church with conditions which of course he could not accept to those who think that the Church would not sink to these sort of tactics Harry referred to the ---------------- Archbishops commission on survival which was suppressed and never officially published because why the majority report found that the case for survival was proven Medical Mistakes in the USA This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.If you want to keep updated on issues like this to sign up for my free newsletter at mercola.com This information is a follow up of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of 1999, http://www.mercola.com/1999/dec/5/medical_mistakes.html but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world. The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care system may contribute to poor health. ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR: 12,000 -----unnecessary surgery 7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals 20,000 ----other errors in hospitals 80,000 ----infections in hospitals 106,000 ---non-error, negative effects of drugs These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!! What does the word iatrogenic mean? This term is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of treatment. Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers: First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients. Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort. Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM .. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are overestimated, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease). Another analysis 11 concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings,with: 116 million extra physician visits 77 million extra prescriptions 17 million emergency department visits 8 million hospitalizations 3 million long-term admissions 199,000 additional deaths $77 billion in extra costs The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a deficit, but seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care. However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care. An estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of medical errors.2 This might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13 countries in a recent comparison,3,4 the United States ranks an average of 12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More >specifically, the ranking of the US on several indicators was: 13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall 14 11th for postneonatal mortality 13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes) 11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males 10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males 7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males 3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males 10th for age-adjusted mortality The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the United States as 15th among 25 industrialized countries. There is a perception that the American public " behaves badly " by smoking,drinking, and perpetrating violence. " However the data does not support this assertion. >The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41% in >Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males, the range >is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United States (third >best). >The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption. The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest in men >aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third lowest mean >cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13 >industrialized countries. > >These estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a recent >Institutes of Medicine report, and if the higher estimates are used, the >deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000. > >Even at the lower estimate of 225,000 deaths per year, this constitutes the >third leading cause of death in the US, following heart disease and cancer. > >Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the US's low >ranking. > >Among 29 countries, the United States is second only to Japan in the >availability of magnetic resonance imaging units and computed tomography >scanners per million population. 17 Japan, however, ranks highest on health, >whereas the US ranks among the lowest. It is possible that the high use of >technology in Japan is limited to diagnostic technology not matched by high >rates of treatment, whereas in the US, high use of diagnostic technology may >be linked to more treatment. Supporting this possibility are data showing > that the number of employees per bed (full-time equivalents) in the United >States is highest among the countries ranked, whereas they are very low in >Japan, far lower than can be accounted for by the common practice of having >family members rather than hospital staff provide the amenities of hospital >care. > >Journal American Medical Association Vol 284 July 26, 2000 > >COMMENT: Folks, this is what they call a " Landmark Article " . Only several >ones like this are published every year. One of the major reasons it is so >huge as that it is published in JAMA which is the largest and one of the >most respected medical journals in the entire world. I did find it most >curious that the best wire service in the world, Reuter's, did not pick up >this article. I have no idea why they let it slip by. > >I would encourage you to bookmark this article and review it several times >so you can use the statistics to counter the arguments of your friends and >relatives who are so enthralled with the traditional medical paradigm. These >statistics prove very clearly that the system is just not working. It is >broken and is in desperate need of repair. > >I was previously fond of saying that drugs are the fourth leading cause of >death in this country. However, this article makes it quite clear that the >more powerful number is that doctors are the third leading cause of death in >this country killing nearly a quarter million people a year. The only more >common causes are cancer and heart disease. This statistic is likely to be >seriously underestimated as much of the coding only describes the cause of >organ failure and does not address iatrogenic causes at all. > > >Care, not treatment, is the answer. Drugs, surgery and hospitals are rarely the answer to chronic health problems. Facilitating the God-given healing capacity that all of us have is the key. Improving the diet, exercise, and lifestyle are basic. Effective interventions for the underlying emotional and spiritual wounding behind most chronic illness are also important clues to maximizing health and reducing disease. http://www.mercola.com/2002/index.htm Robert Whitaker who wrote the eyeopening book " Mad In America " ISBN 0 7382 07993 > > > http://www.madinamerica.com/ > > This site tells you all about it. > & #61656; He started out investigating the successes of drug therapies on depression, and soon found out that the drug companies own research showed the opposite! But the companies wont publish it, and are not all pleased with this book. & #61656; The book prooves, statisically beyond doubt that drug therapies are far from helping cure depression they are fueling it, to alarming proportions. Just think what 400 extra people EVERY DAY in America means! 400 extra people being disabled and not being able to work, in most cases EVER. & #61656; & #61656; This not only costs the taxpayers the drugs, and the loss of tax from their now non income, but also the lives of happiness that these people could and should be enjoying. > & #61656; Drug therapy is such that people stay on indefinitely. & #61656; & #61656; WHERE AS The majority of people can and could be cured of depression. You must read this book to understand what is going on. > > Drugs are not the answer, they only use is in emergency use and not LONG TERM. The side effects actually make people's depression worse in long term. phill In , " Evelyn " <evelynarizona wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm new to this group and thought I should introduce myself. My name is > Evelyn a Retired AT+T operator and I'm 74 years old. For many years I > have been interested in Alternatiive Medicine and I'm so happy to have > found this group. > > Evelyn In Mesa, AZ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 HI Kellianne, I wanted to say welcome, I haven't been here too long myself, just a couple weeks. I've learned a lot, and I hope you will enjoy the group. I'm not too far from you, I'm in north central Ohio. I'd be interested in how you chose bee balm for your favorite flower, and if you've found a way to incorporate it into making soap or lotion yet. We have an organic poultry farm, and I love all things herbal and natural. Unfortunately I'm not good at identifying wild herbs, and haven't found a source yet that will show me. I also use the goat milk from our goats to make soap, and am working on making lotions from it. Anyway Welcome Lorene In a message dated 12/26/2006 4:30:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kelligirl710 writes: Name: KellianneFavorite flower: Bee Balm, all herbs in bloomAny Hobbies: Soapmaking is a true passion, gardening, cooking, crafting in general, sewing, herbal health.Favorite thing to shop for: Soap supplies (how insane is that??), shoes, perennials and seeds. I love the hardware store!Where do you live? Southeast Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 --- hi and a big welcome here is some info that is well to be aware of and may explain some things going on The sin bin -Vested interest Apathy and other unworthy systems As you can see I am not the only one saying this is happening hi my background is research inventions where i am in touch with quite a few other researchers some of whom have suffered massively dealing with vested interest factions. so if you value your health you better get aware of these problems and the health care systems this information certainly has the capacity to unnerve you. However if you do like to know what is going on and are not afraid of the truth read on, it is very enlightening. Drugs and other treatments There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on the subject of drugs and research and treatment At present the system in England is this ,and this principle will apply to other countries as well all treatment recommended by the health care people should be tested and approved and quite rightly so Obviously it costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments because of the possible damage to people and the subsequent litigation costing millions of pounds. The point is this Where does this money come from to test and approve treatments? By far the biggest source is the drug companies. Do you think drug companies are some charitable institution – in the main they are there to make profit What do you think the implications of that statement means So take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves to know more –right, you could not be more wrong. By and large only treatments which show a profit will even get examined. Because they are in business to make a profit, not for serving the people. So many of the thousands of therapies which they see as having no profit potential do not get approved and thus by and large do not get recommended by your local doctor or hospital despite the fact that some of them do have overwhelming benefits some which have saved needless operations, needless amputations, needless pain and trauma, needless kidney failures and much loss of life. Did you know there are groups of people begging drug companies to look into certain therapies for their possible benefit but many wont –why money in the main Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher , what does this mean , he is very taxed with his time that means he cannot do research he finds it very difficult to keep up with what is goig on in the main he is told what to prescribe he does not even have the time often to look at research. At this minute 2004 approx 5000 Beds are being taken up by people who have had reactions to drugs. Some will die others will be maimed .That is fact So Mrs Jones by and large you will probably only get recommended treatments where there is profit in them for someone. Have you heard your local doctor recommend, Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices, Electrical Frequency devices. Has he ever mentioned nutrition what you eat how much protein carbo vitamins etc . All of these have shown their inherent worth with thousands if not millions of testimonials. As you can see this system in its present state is inherently flawed which is why you are getting recommended what you are that is until the day comes when most of the research and testing is done by an agency with no vested interests attached and a clear agenda of being objective. Acting for he people There is clear evidence that some of these drug companies will even go much further than just dismiss this proposed treatment especially if it is going to affect their profits. Imagine this 10 000 patients on some drug costing say 500-1000 pounds each per year Average time to get well 20 yrs –income in that time –go on work it out Then an invention come s along and hey presto we can get them well in just 6 weeks at a cost of 200 quid Do you think they will just sit around and go err – what planet are you on jack? Ever heard of a brilliant doctor with the name of Raymond rife the gifted scientist and winner of 14 government awards including scientist of the year award twice. Rife discovered that some major diseases could be eliminated with frequencies based on that diseases individual electromagnetic signature. He uses the same effect, which causes a glass to shatter by the use of some peoples voices. These distinguished medical doctors who originally confirmed part or this entire discovery included: E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (Chief of Bacteriology, 32 yrs., at Mayo Clinic), Fredrich Koch (Detroit, Brazil), Gaston Naessens (Quebec), Sakae Inoue (Japan), Georges Mazet (France,), Franz Gerlach (Germany), Niello Mori and Clara Fonti (Italy), Cameron Gruner (McGill Univ.), T.J. Glover (Canada), Florence Seibert (V.A. Research Lab,Bay Pines, Fla.), Irene Diller (Inst. of Cancer Research, Phila, Penn), Eleanor Alex. Jackson and Virginia Livingston (NJ & San Diego clinics). But events started to happen; firstly, arsonists burned the Burnett Lab in New Jersey, which was validating Rife's work. Then, someone fatally poisoned Dr. Milbank Johnson, president of the Southern California American Medical Association. He died just hours before a scheduled press conference in which he was to announce that Rife's electronic therapy cured every terminal patient in a study supervised by the University of Southern California. Dr. Nemes, who duplicated some of Rife's work just 40 miles from Rife's lab, was killed in a mysterious fire, which destroyed his lab. Rife stopped work, but died at Grossmont Hospital from a lethal dose of Valium. Following Dr. Milbank Johnson's murder, threats, other incidents followed; 30 doctors once photographed honoring Rife at a banquet now denied they ever knew him! Dr. Isaac Kendall, Rife's chief research associate and Dean of Northwestern Medical School, received $200,000 in " grants " & disappeared. Was this a bribe? Dr. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler in 1947 while studying tumors found the same organism in all of them. Her findings were published in August 1948 by the New York Microscopical Society Bullitin. Later in Dec. 1950 Wheeler had an article published in the American Journal of Medical Sciences on microbes cultures taken from both human and animal tumors. On Sept. 10, 1953 The Washington Post reported the discoveries of Dr. Wheeler and her team from Rutgers-Presbyterian Hospital Laboratory which were disclosed at the 6 th International Congress of Microbiology in Rome. They had found conclusive proof of a microbial cause for cancer. When Dr. Wheeler and her group returned from Rome to Rutgers- Presbyterian Hospital they found that the funds for their laboratory were being cut off. The laboratory was closed. This was the behind- the-scenes work and doings of Dr. Corneluis P. Rhoads, the head of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. The fear of the cancer industry elite is and was immense. If the truth about the true cause of cancer becomes known a cheap cure will be found shortly thereafter. This will kill the cancer goose which lays tens of billions of dollars worth of eggs a year. Is there nothing these scum will not do for their god money? No And it does not stop there John Walsh head of the cayce center in Durham England had a stuttering problem which he cured using the recommendations of Edgar cayce , naturally he wanted to share this with the stuttering society so that others may alleviate their suffering, at a meeting he was going to deliver a talk telling people of how he did it but just as he was about to speak , he was stopped and the only reason John says is that the organizers realized that if this information got out it could mean the end of their society. Doctors Hertal and Blanc undertook research on the effects of microwave ovens and declared that foods cooked in this way posed a greater risk to health than cooking by conventional means, food cooked in this way seemed to have a cancerous effect on the blood. A gag order was issued on both of these doctors .DR Hertal stood his ground and fought the decision and the European court of Human rights issued an order saying the gag order was contrary to the right of Human expression and Switzerland was ordered to pay compensation. Personally I have been extensively involved in sharing the Edgar Cayce information, Spiritual healing and some information on the rife machine over the Internet on problems like MS Parkinsons, Galucoma, Myasthenia gravis etc. On the issue of M.S.thousands of groups who had a site on the Internet were contacted including support groups, hospitals etc. Major foundations and national societies were contacted as well. These people have clear mission statements saying for example, for the treatment, support and research on M.S.The response from thousands of contacts-only a few even replied with some interest despite numerous approaches and despite mentioning the clear evidence which the meridian research institute was getting using the cayce therapies. The next to try was the Myasthenia gravis association which is located in Derby England, Cayce gave a couple of readings on this problem, despite phone calls and letters and e mails including letters to the chairman not one person came back to me .I tried a few hundred other M.G. Associations throughout the Internet and only a very few were interested. The others did not even reply. Cayce on Glaucoma was also tried, again writing, and e mailing to many National associations and support groups again with very little interest. Also tried was posting information on the discussion forums on the Internet, Many were removed, the " Wills eye hospital in the USA were highly guilty of this. After this I tried Cayce on Parkinson's again the same procedure was followed I even tried writing and e mailing to Mary Baker chairman of the Parkinson's society in England, she did not even reply. National organizations were contacted and support groups, the results only about 5% showed any interest at all. The conclusion: Clearly there are forces out there that would do anything to protect their interests , your unnecessary suffering is of no consequence to them at all. There are lots of Charities, organizations, associations, support groups who are proclaiming all sorts of things, which have a sacred duty, to give you information, to conduct and fund research, to push forward their cause, which are failing miserably you the patient. They are seemingly more interested in maintaining the status quo, keeping their jobs or are just apathetic. As you can see they are not to be relied upon if you value your health. Conclusion One must take responsibility for their own wellness, not hand the problem over to others. I advocate that most research should be done by perhaps government organizations with the only vested interest in mind of that of the patient, but that is a long way off. As many NEXUS readers will know, Dr Hulda Clark has helped thousands of people around the world cure themselves of many ailments and diseases. Her approach is to remove exposure to solvents and to remove parasites from the body. On 20 September, Dr Hulda Clark was arrested in San Diego. She was subsequently held in a prison in Santa fee, waiting extradition to Indiana where she is charged with practicing medicine without a license, a class C felony with a penalty of two to eight years in prison. The patients in her clinic in Mexico most of them terminally ill, but getting better under Dr Clark's supervision had to be sent home to try to do the protocols on their own. Dr Clark was escorted from prison on 4 October and arrived in Indiana on 6 October at 2.30 am. A hearing was held at 9.00 am and bail was set at US$10,000. Dr Clark was offered a plea bargain with a fine if she pleaded guilty, but she pleaded not guilty. The trial will be held on 2 February 2000. Other pioneers some of which we are in great debt too J.C. Burnett: His " electronic medicine research lab " was burnt to the ground while he was visiting Rife in 1939, just before the Rife technology itself was attacked Harry Oldfield: dismissed when he wanted to publish his research demonstrating the damage done to the human energy field by chemotherapy treatment Upton, Knuth and Armstrong: inventors of the " homeotron " -forced into bankruptcy DR Albert Abrams: inventor of the " Oscilloclast " , a forerunner of the Rife generator. Slated by the establishment. Denounced as a quack and a charlatan in 18 consecutive issues of " The Scientific American " . Died in shame and ignominy George Lahovsky: Inventor of the " multi-wave oscillator " . Run over by a car and died 1943. Bill Morre (researcher and author): fled into retreat George De La Warre: Nearly bankrupted by legal proceedings DR Franz Anton Mesmer: used magnets for healing - struck off Ruth Drown: inventor of the " Radio Vision Instrument " and " Homo- vibra ray instrument " - committed suicide Wilhelm Reich: inventor of " Orgone Energy Accumulator " - died in prison C.M. Allen: driven insane DR M.K. Jessup: reporter of the infamous " Philadelphia Experiment " - suicide/murdered DR Max Gerson: Used natural treatment regime to cure cancer, Multiple Sclerosis and other disease. AMA harassment forced him to close clinic and re-open in Mexico Harry Hoxsey: (cured cancer using herbs). Mentally and financially ruined by legal proceedings and AMA harassment. Arrested 157 times in 16 months. Died in suspicious circumstances, possibly murdered Rene Caisse: (also cured cancer-using herbs). The 'Canadian Ministry of Health and Welfare' had the whole of the records destroyed immediately after her death in 1978. These records detailed thousands of cured patients. DR Lawrence Burton: Fraudulently accused of spreading AIDS contaminated serum forcing the Bahamian government to close it down under American pressure DR Stanislaw Burzynski: Ordered by FDA to stop development of his highly effective 'anti-neoplaston' treatment program. Raided and had all his scientific, medical and personal records seized which were never returned Gaston Naessens: microbiologist - still alive and working with Rife type microscope today. Developer of 714X cancer treatment - Prosecuted for fraud and driven out of France. Prosecuted and threatened again with life imprisonment in Canada but was acquitted Dr. Andrew C. Ivy: world-renowned medical researcher. Researcher of " Krebiozen " (harmless chemical compound which was claimed to have observable, often curative benefits in 70% of cancer cases) suspended from membership of the Chicago Medical Society, removed from the vice presidency of the University of Illinois, and had his " resignation " accepted by both national cancer societies. AMA declared Krebiozen " worthless " six weeks after he published his research (1951) even though a properly conducted trial would take 3- 5 years, dismissed all of his conclusions, discredited his research methods and suggested that his belief in the compound was due to senility. Edward J. McCabe: Health journalist who reported success of oxygen therapy. Sentenced to 3 years in prison on the pre-text of tax evasion 1999 (and served 2 years). DR William F. Koch: Medical doctor, Professor of chemistry, histology and physiology. Inventor of " Glyoxylide catalyst " cure for cancer. Sued by FDA but was acquitted after 600 doctors testified in his favor. Died of poisoning, 1967. Dr. F.M. Eugene Blass: Developer of " Homozon™ " (the original oxygen therapy product) - murdered outside his house, same year and month as DR Koch. DR Basil Earle Wainright: Physicist - inventor of polyatomic apheuresis oxygen therapy. Imprisoned for 4 years. Claims he survived six assassination attempts whilst in prison. DR George A. Freibott, IV. President of the American Naturopathic Association, consultant for International Association for Oxygen Therapy, US Government approved and internationally accepted expert witness on oxygen/oxidation therapies. Survived numerous assassination attempts and several anonymous phone calls threatening him with his life. DR James Boyce: Turned 254 people HIV+ to HIV- using ozone therapy: Charged with using unproven methods and sentenced to 5 years in prison. Had his medical license revoked. Ken Thiefault sold ozone generators: Sentenced to 7 years in prison for making medical claims for ozone generators. His wife was sentenced to three years. In Paul millers book on harry edwards and spiritual healing there are a number of issues which are mentioned. 1.Harry it seems had enormous resistance to his work from certain quarters people who claimed to be doctors but had it seems there own hidden agendas. Harry presented a whole host of cases, which were restored to good health from being proclaimed incurable. Some doctors were called to account for this. They would evade the issue and give a variety of reasons for example the patient despite being born with terrible deformations had a temporary remission which the healer was not slow to point out seemed to occur just after healing had taken place. The general medical view was that they would see the patient in a few more years to check his progress .At the right time harry then raised the issue again only to be told that too much time had elapsed. 2.Another famous expletive was wrongly labelled x-rays and spontaneous healing. Many times doctors opened up a patient to find a growth only to find that it was gone. Mistaken diagnosis was another favourite. So you see that there are certain elements within the medical profession who would gladly not see this work at all to the cost of millions of peoples suffering. Their motives can only be guessed at. On the other hand there are many brilliant doctors out there some of which attended the sanctuary witnessing many healings and many presented their own problems to harry for healing. Oh yes the church, Harry it seems had many dealings with the church and it seems was very disappointed to see that the church had failed miserably its duty to go forth and heal the sick as the master Jesus commanded. Harry had invited numerous priests and bishops to his healing demonstrations where they could witness right in front of their very eyes some of the fantastic things which were going on .He was disappointed that the archbishop of Canterbury had declined the invitation to attend one of his healing demonstrations right under the cathedral. But it started the seemingly very little known commission to investigate divine healing. This commission had the archbishop of Canterbury and York seeking the co-operation of the British medical association who appointed a number of physicians to examine the evidence put before them by the man they had jointly denigrated. It was over two years before the Anglican Church got their act together. They actually asked Harry to submit just six cases for investigation –six can you imagine that number for a proper investigation. Harry thought the same and submitted seventy many of which were considered incurable by their very own doctors. After submitting these and giving a lengthy address the response was astonishing One of these so called doctors stood up and claimed they could have been spontaneous healing, but Harry had pointed out it was the doctors themselves who proclaimed these people were incurable. Unbelievably no proper scientific examination of the seventy cases was carried out. Harry was offered a position in the Church with conditions which of course he could not accept to those who think that the Church would not sink to these sort of tactics Harry referred to the ---------------- Archbishops commission on survival which was suppressed and never officially published because why the majority report found that the case for survival was proven Medical Mistakes in the USA This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.If you want to keep updated on issues like this to sign up for my free newsletter at mercola.com This information is a follow up of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of 1999, http://www.mercola.com/1999/dec/5/medical_mistakes.html but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world. The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care system may contribute to poor health. ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR: 12,000 -----unnecessary surgery 7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals 20,000 ----other errors in hospitals 80,000 ----infections in hospitals 106,000 ---non-error, negative effects of drugs These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!! What does the word iatrogenic mean? This term is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of treatment. Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers: First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients. Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort. Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM .. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are overestimated, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease). Another analysis 11 concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings,with: 116 million extra physician visits 77 million extra prescriptions 17 million emergency department visits 8 million hospitalizations 3 million long-term admissions 199,000 additional deaths $77 billion in extra costs The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a deficit, but seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care. However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care. An estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of medical errors.2 This might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13 countries in a recent comparison,3,4 the United States ranks an average of 12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More >specifically, the ranking of the US on several indicators was: 13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall 14 11th for postneonatal mortality 13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes) 11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males 10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males 7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males 3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males 10th for age-adjusted mortality The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the United States as 15th among 25 industrialized countries. There is a perception that the American public " behaves badly " by smoking,drinking, and perpetrating violence. " However the data does not support this assertion. >The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41% in >Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males, the range >is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United States (third >best). >The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption. The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest in men >aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third lowest mean >cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13 >industrialized countries. > >These estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a recent >Institutes of Medicine report, and if the higher estimates are used, the >deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000. > >Even at the lower estimate of 225,000 deaths per year, this constitutes the >third leading cause of death in the US, following heart disease and cancer. > >Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the US's low >ranking. > >Among 29 countries, the United States is second only to Japan in the >availability of magnetic resonance imaging units and computed tomography >scanners per million population. 17 Japan, however, ranks highest on health, >whereas the US ranks among the lowest. It is possible that the high use of >technology in Japan is limited to diagnostic technology not matched by high >rates of treatment, whereas in the US, high use of diagnostic technology may >be linked to more treatment. Supporting this possibility are data showing > that the number of employees per bed (full-time equivalents) in the United >States is highest among the countries ranked, whereas they are very low in >Japan, far lower than can be accounted for by the common practice of having >family members rather than hospital staff provide the amenities of hospital >care. > >Journal American Medical Association Vol 284 July 26, 2000 > >COMMENT: Folks, this is what they call a " Landmark Article " . Only several >ones like this are published every year. One of the major reasons it is so >huge as that it is published in JAMA which is the largest and one of the >most respected medical journals in the entire world. I did find it most >curious that the best wire service in the world, Reuter's, did not pick up >this article. I have no idea why they let it slip by. > >I would encourage you to bookmark this article and review it several times >so you can use the statistics to counter the arguments of your friends and >relatives who are so enthralled with the traditional medical paradigm. These >statistics prove very clearly that the system is just not working. It is >broken and is in desperate need of repair. > >I was previously fond of saying that drugs are the fourth leading cause of >death in this country. However, this article makes it quite clear that the >more powerful number is that doctors are the third leading cause of death in >this country killing nearly a quarter million people a year. The only more >common causes are cancer and heart disease. This statistic is likely to be >seriously underestimated as much of the coding only describes the cause of >organ failure and does not address iatrogenic causes at all. > > >Care, not treatment, is the answer. Drugs, surgery and hospitals are rarely the answer to chronic health problems. Facilitating the God-given healing capacity that all of us have is the key. Improving the diet, exercise, and lifestyle are basic. Effective interventions for the underlying emotional and spiritual wounding behind most chronic illness are also important clues to maximizing health and reducing disease. http://www.mercola.com/2002/index.htm Robert Whitaker who wrote the eyeopening book " Mad In America " ISBN 0 7382 07993 > > > http://www.madinamerica.com/ > > This site tells you all about it. > & #61656; He started out investigating the successes of drug therapies on depression, and soon found out that the drug companies own research showed the opposite! But the companies wont publish it, and are not all pleased with this book. & #61656; The book prooves, statisically beyond doubt that drug therapies are far from helping cure depression they are fueling it, to alarming proportions. Just think what 400 extra people EVERY DAY in America means! 400 extra people being disabled and not being able to work, in most cases EVER. & #61656; & #61656; This not only costs the taxpayers the drugs, and the loss of tax from their now non income, but also the lives of happiness that these people could and should be enjoying. > & #61656; Drug therapy is such that people stay on indefinitely. & #61656; & #61656; WHERE AS The majority of people can and could be cured of depression. You must read this book to understand what is going on. > > Drugs are not the answer, they only use is in emergency use and not LONG TERM. The side effects actually make people's depression worse in long term. phill In , " healinghandsjf1 " <healinghandsjf1 wrote: > > I have been through many changes and am always searching for new roads > to healing and wellness and self-improvement, I look forward to > sharing with you all. Recently I lost my friend to breat cancer, and > another make friend to HIV - this is a crazy world and it seems to > defy understadning at times. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Welcome Jennifer! That's so nice that you help these kids by offering alternative methods. Too often, it seems, they are misunderstood and overmedicated. I'd love to take a look at your blog! But the link comes up as *bad request (invalid hostname). So if you can let me know if there's a different link or if it will come up later, that would be great. I also have a blog - just check out the link in my signature line, then click on blog. I also focus on natural health as one of the topics in my newsletter. I love to see people taking back control of their health ... and their lives. Cindy Cindy Kirchhoff, life coach http://livinginrhyme.com Reclaim your power and passion. , " Jennifer " <ilovemadras wrote: > My name is Jennifer. I am a social worker. I help kids with mental > illness. I try to approach the kids and their families from an > alternative approach, and I am supported by my agency in this. I have > referred some kids to ayurvedic doctors, homeopaths, etc. > I am eager to learn from people on this group and want to share also > with you about different things I have learned or tried. > I recently started a blog on alternative healing/ancient cultures/etc. > the website is http://www.alaivani.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 HI Again! Some people have contacted me personally from the list, thanks! Some mentioned the URL I gave is not working. Try this http://www.alaivani.com Ok.. more soon Jennifer , " Jennifer " <ilovemadras wrote: > > Greetings all, > My name is Jennifer. I am a social worker. I help kids with mental > illness. I try to approach the kids and their families from an > alternative approach, and I am supported by my agency in this. I have > referred some kids to ayurvedic doctors, homeopaths, etc. > I am eager to learn from people on this group and want to share also > with you about different things I have learned or tried. > I recently started a blog on alternative healing/ancient cultures/etc. > the website is http://www.alaivani.com. > Maybe you will be able to stop by! > IN the meantime, I will drop into this group when ever possible! > I am curious, moderator- this is a very popular group! Did you think > it would become so large? > Jennifer > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 ---hi and welcome yu have quite a task and i can suggest to you many things that will help your kids in some way... implementing them is the challenge but what a n interesting read it would make should you could try them .. the kind of things very much worth trying would be spiritual/reiki healing osteopathic adjustments the violet ray not uv massage suggestion i could mention more but i would be interested in what you have tried phill In , " Jennifer " <ilovemadras wrote: > > Greetings all, > My name is Jennifer. I am a social worker. I help kids with mental > illness. I try to approach the kids and their families from an > alternative approach, and I am supported by my agency in this. I have > referred some kids to ayurvedic doctors, homeopaths, etc. > I am eager to learn from people on this group and want to share also > with you about different things I have learned or tried. > I recently started a blog on alternative healing/ancient cultures/etc. > the website is http://www.alaivani.com. > Maybe you will be able to stop by! > IN the meantime, I will drop into this group when ever possible! > I am curious, moderator- this is a very popular group! Did you think > it would become so large? > Jennifer > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Welcome to the group, Jean. I'm Marsha from NC. I am fairly new as well, and just kinda have been reading and listening and commenting where I feel I can help or need advice. Marsha and the Yorkies http://www.miracleyorkies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Hii Jean, most welcome, have a nice day, with love in HIM Gab.. Jean <fjd2002 wrote: Hello everyone, I'm new to the group and I've been using vitamins, herbs and supplements for many years now to better my health. I'm interested in hearing about natural treatments used by others and sharing knowledge from my own experience. Jean Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Hello Lisa, Welcome to the group...I am Carol from Illinois. I am sad to hear you are so young and having so many heath problems. If you have somewhere to try water therapy or even join a club for swimming, it can improve your injuries without putting strain on them. Blessings, Carol , " Lisa " <myfreedomendures wrote: > > Hi everyone and greetings from central Wisconsin. I'm looking for > some advice to help me heal. I was in a terrible car accident in > October which has left me out of work since. I suffered a Stage 3 > concussion, and mutiple strains and sprains to my neck, mid back, > and lumber regions. I have arthritis in my neck (this is the third > time I've injured my neck this badly) and in my left knee (injury > and surgery 16 years ago). I also suffer from terrible migranes > that are hormone related. And, to top this all off, I endured a > terrible divorce this past year and was the victim of domestic > abuse. I'm only 31 years old and most days I feel like I'm 70...any > help on any of these matters would be appreciated. > > Lisa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Me too Irene, blessings and mriacles to you !! Vickie Roark Irene Stone <irene372 wrote: Hi, I'm new to this group and just wanted to say hi. I'm interested in alternative medicine and I'm hoping to find knowledge and answers here. Irene Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Hi, Irene! Welcome to the group! I've been here for a couple of weeks and I'm learning more every day and may have been able to help a couple of folks also. We with alternative health knowledge need to stick together because the FDA is not going to help us with this stuff. Have a great time! Jude -- MY BLOG: http://jude-wellnessmatters.blogspot.com Find out more about me by clicking on the link below! http://jude.networkmarketingcentral.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 , Irene Stone <irene372 wrote: > > Hi, I'm new to this group and just wanted to say hi. Hi Irene, welcome to the group! I'm pretty new myself, and I'd also like to say hello and welcome to our other new members, Anne and Lisa! A big thank you for the warm welcome I received from Marsha, Vickie and Gab, much appreciated! This group is filled with great information and wonderful people, and I'm proud to be a part of it! Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Welcome to the group Irene! Marsha and the Yorkies http://www.miracleyorkies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 --- hi irene and welcome there is much to share on this group i share a lot of info and sell nothing my we b site is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ phill In , Irene Stone <irene372 wrote: > > Hi, I'm new to this group and just wanted to say hi. I'm interested in alternative medicine and I'm hoping to find knowledge and answers here. > > Irene > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Hello and welcome to the group :)My Space http://www.myspace.com/ferninthemoonlight Come and hang out for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:45 PM, email_great <email_great wrote: > I just joined the group and would like to find out some information. > Are there any recommendations on the best practioner > in the country. > Which country? Ha. Seriously, though. That is not a fair question. There is nobody who can answer that. Why don't you share what you want to see treated and we'll go from there. Also, any recommendations on a good read to understand > the background. > I like The Web That Has No Weaver by Ted Kaptchuk. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 fair enough Al,I was wondering who would have won the title " the best chinese practitioner " Dear friend be specific in your question and let us know which state or country you live in and I would share the idea with Al " we could go from there " . by the way Great choice " the web that has no weaver... regards Dr R ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Sorry to be abrupt. We live in US..Calif. Our son is 5 yrs old and is on the autistic spectrum. We are looking at alternative ideas to the mainstream and joined this group. Thank you. Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Al Stone " <al wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:45 PM, email_great <email_great wrote: > > > I just joined the group and would like to find out some information. > > Are there any recommendations on the best practioner > > in the country. > Which country? Ha. > > Seriously, though. That is not a fair question. There is nobody who can > answer that. Why don't you share what you want to see treated and we'll go > from there. > > Also, any recommendations on a good read to understand > > the background. > > > > > > > I like The Web That Has No Weaver by Ted Kaptchuk. > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 The alternatives are abundance. From Chinese medicine to music therapy to pranic healing. Hadeel email_great <email_great Chinese Traditional Medicine Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:15:28 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: New member Sorry to be abrupt. We live in US..Calif. Our son is 5 yrs old and is on the autistic spectrum. We are looking at alternative ideas to the mainstream and joined this group. Thank you. Chinese Traditional Medicine, " Al Stone " <al wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:45 PM, email_great <email_great@ ...> wrote: > > > I just joined the group and would like to find out some information. > > Are there any recommendations on the best practioner > > in the country. > > > > > > > > Which country? Ha. > > Seriously, though. That is not a fair question. There is nobody who can > answer that. Why don't you share what you want to see treated and we'll go > from there. > > Also, any recommendations on a good read to understand > > the background. > > > > > > > I like The Web That Has No Weaver by Ted Kaptchuk. > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Have you tried Cranoisacral work? Upledger, who is the founder of Upledger Institute has done som nice work for autistic children. http://upledger.com/clinic/autism.htm I have not heard about acupuncture for autistics and how they are helped wiht that. How about you other more experienced acupuncturist in the group? regards Peter Chinese Traditional Medicine , " email_great " <email_great wrote: > > Sorry to be abrupt. We live in US..Calif. Our son is 5 yrs old and is > on the autistic spectrum. We are looking at alternative ideas to the > mainstream and joined this group. Thank you. > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Al Stone " <al@> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:45 PM, email_great <email_great@> > wrote: > > > > > I just joined the group and would like to find out some > information. > > > Are there any recommendations on the best > practioner > > > in the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which country? Ha. > > > > Seriously, though. That is not a fair question. There is nobody who > can > > answer that. Why don't you share what you want to see treated and > we'll go > > from there. > > > > Also, any recommendations on a good read to understand > > > the background. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like The Web That Has No Weaver by Ted Kaptchuk. > > > > -- > > , DAOM > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:15 AM, email_great <email_great wrote: > Sorry to be abrupt. We live in US..Calif. Our son is 5 yrs old and is > on the autistic spectrum. We are looking at alternative ideas to the > mainstream and joined this group. Thank you. > About 50% of the USA's TCM practitioners are licensed in California. So we still have something like 10,000 individuals to chose from. What part of CA are you in? Like what's the largest city within one hour of driving? You don't have to provide any info that would compromise your anonymity here. I have treated a few autistic kids, not a lot, but I've done my homework on the topic. The end result, at least where I stand on the topic now is that TCM will not completely correct the autism beyond the best case scenario. However, getting the patient to that point is worthwhile endevour. Now TCM ( " traditional Chinese medicine " if that isn't clear yet) doesn't have classic protocols for " autism " . As you are likely aware, there is a somewhat wide spectrum of conditions here. I don't know if a single mechanism is known yet or not, but either way, it doesn't matter. In every case, we treat what we see. Just about any internal disharmony can aggravate a spirit-level (read that as " cognitive " ) condition. In many cases, it comes down to drying dampness. This would be especially evident if your child's stools are loose. Each of the internal organs (the five key organs mostly) have a cognitive or emotional effect. The " Spleen " in particular is in charge of digestion, but also in conscious thought and sometimes it is considered a part of " worry " as an emotion. When we see poor digestion, and fix that, the ability of the patient to think clearly without obsessing or ruminating improves. Will it turn your child into a " normal " child? Like I say, we can improve things, but perhaps not correct them 100%. There is another approach to this too, but before I go there, I have a question for you: given all your time that you spend on-line (when you're not changing diapers or otherwise at work), how much of that time is spent looking for solutions to your child's condition? 100%? Is that ALL you do online? Let me know what percentage of your free time is devoted to this concern. And then tell me the average amount of hours you spend per day on this topic, whether online or not. " This topic " means seeking out solutions to your child's autism. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't know that Applied Behavioral Analysis is considered alternative. However, I'm guessing it is fairly effective given that ABA is becoming an emerging industry in Houston. However, I would imagine you would have come across that already in Calif. Why don't you give us a little more information on what you have tried already and what has worked so far. How old is the child? Are you just learning of the diagnosis? There is also a homeopathic specialist in Houston who is said to give very good results for autism. But that's just what I've heard. And both are expensive. ABA is one on one 40 hours a week at the very least $10/ hour. The homeopathist I mentioned I hear charges $100- 120 per session. sjb Chinese Traditional Medicine , hadeel al-najjar <henry_lawson wrote: > > The alternatives are abundance. From Chinese medicine to music therapy to pranic healing. > > Hadeel > > > email_great <email_great > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:15:28 PM > [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: New member > > Sorry to be abrupt. We live in US..Calif. Our son is 5 yrs old and is > on the autistic spectrum. We are looking at alternative ideas to the > mainstream and joined this group. Thank you. > > Chinese Traditional Medicine, " Al Stone " <al@> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:45 PM, email_great <email_great@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > I just joined the group and would like to find out some > information. > > > Are there any recommendations on the best > practioner > > > in the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which country? Ha. > > > > Seriously, though. That is not a fair question. There is nobody who > can > > answer that. Why don't you share what you want to see treated and > we'll go > > from there. > > > > Also, any recommendations on a good read to understand > > > the background. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like The Web That Has No Weaver by Ted Kaptchuk. > > > > -- > > , DAOM > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Welcome Carrie, Congrats on your new wellness path! Years ago, I shared a home with the woman that created the MS Foundation. She managed her symptoms very well through nutrition and body/mind medicine. Another friend believes she " cured " her MS with a natural approach. Diet, as I'm sure you know, is so important. Take care, Michelle I am a new member . I have Multiple Sclerosis , and have recently started on the path of natural healing. While I know this is a disase that cant be healed, I am looking for ways to better manage my symptoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Welcome, Carrie! This is a great group, filled with lots of info and resources. You definitely are on the right path. Putting together natural aids that will improve your health will better manage your symptoms, if not even *cure* you of MS. I've heard of others who feel they simply don't have MS anymore. I have Lyme Disease, but I always think of it as I *had* Lyme Disease. Because while Lyme supposedly can't be cured, there's nothing connected to it that affects my life today. I took a completely holistic path to regain my health from that, and it did it. No danger, no side effects, no continued problems. Yoga is great exercise for body, mind and soul. Right now, it might not be right for you to do any other sort of heart-pounding exercise. A gentle walk in nature may do you a world of good, too. Good luck on your journey. You've started down the right path, all you have to do now is continue putting one foot in front of the other. Don't give up; you can do this! Cindy Cindy Kirchhoff http://livinginrhyme.com , " Carrie Wesley " <charles.wesley wrote: > > Hi All > I am a new member . I have Multiple Sclerosis , and have recently > started on the path of natural healing. While I know this is a disase > that cant be healed, I am looking for ways to better manage my > symptoms. Compiled with that, I need to lose 35 lbs to reach a healthy > weight. I do have a gym membership but some days I am just so tired. > I do make it to my yoga classes regularly though. Well those are the > main reasons I joined. > Carrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Cindy Thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate it. You are right, Yoga is great exercise, but ive been learing from my teacher how you can take the yoga philsophy and principles and use them in your everday life. SO that should help on my journey as well. Anyway, hope you have a good evening. Carrie -------------- Original message -------------- " kiaradaze " <ckirchhoff Welcome, Carrie! This is a great group, filled with lots of info and resources. You definitely are on the right path. Putting together natural aids that will improve your health will better manage your symptoms, if not even *cure* you of MS. I've heard of others who feel they simply don't have MS anymore. I have Lyme Disease, but I always think of it as I *had* Lyme Disease. Because while Lyme supposedly can't be cured, there's nothing connected to it that affects my life today. I took a completely holistic path to regain my health from that, and it did it. No danger, no side effects, no continued problems. Yoga is great exercise for body, mind and soul. Right now, it might not be right for you to do any other sort of heart-pounding exercise. A gentle walk in nature may do you a world of good, too. Good luck on your journey. You've started down the right path, all you have to do now is continue putting one foot in front of the other. Don't give up; you can do this! Cindy Cindy Kirchhoff http://livinginrhyme.com , " Carrie Wesley " <charles.wesley wrote: > > Hi All > I am a new member . I have Multiple Sclerosis , and have recently > started on the path of natural healing. While I know this is a disase > that cant be healed, I am looking for ways to better manage my > symptoms. Compiled with that, I need to lose 35 lbs to reach a healthy > weight. I do have a gym membership but some days I am just so tired. > I do make it to my yoga classes regularly though. Well those are the > main reasons I joined. > Carrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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