Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 I am a born Em path and still don't have full control of my abilities. Does anyone know of any books, teachers or personal experience that could help me release the energy I take on from others? I am miserable right now, and I need to learn more about what I can do with this ability among the others i have. I am lost!! Please any information would be helpful!! Love and Light Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Liz, Shield, shield. I do not step out of the house, without surrounding myself, with the White light of the Holy Spirit. and I surround me and mine. I futher call upon Archangel Micheal for protection. Plus, there I work with the angels of each day. I call them into my presence. For there energy to mingle with mine. Another thing. Be aware of yourself. How you feel. Meditate on your body and emotions, then you can become more aware of how others are affecting you. Be aware of how food and liquids affect you. Self awareness is your greatest protection. Another energy, to keep surrounded in is the Violet consuming Flame. It burns up and transmutes, energies that you pick up from other. And It really is as simple as calling them to you. Sweetie, thoughts are things, where thoughts go energy flows. Become more aware of how you speak and think. As you do this, you can further distinguish, if you are picking up other's thoughts. Or if you Higher-self, guides, ascended masters, angelic realms as well as Galatic information in coming in. Shower, after being out in the public. It cleanses your aura, and helps you to release anything you might of picked up. Hope this helps. L & L Jacqueline --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Liz <lizard_mama9 wrote: Liz <lizard_mama9 [CrystalHW] Em path in need of some assistance Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:31 AM I am a born Em path and still don't have full control of my abilities. Does anyone know of any books, teachers or personal experience that could help me release the energy I take on from others? I am miserable right now, and I need to learn more about what I can do with this ability among the others i have. I am lost!! Please any information would be helpful!! Love and Light Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Liz, There are quite a few of us " sensitives " in this group. We may each have different ways of dealing with the " stuff " we pick up from others but I can share what I do. I am a psychotherapist, and sometimes I do get overwhelmed after a few rough hours. Every night I meditate and use Reiki to clean out the junk and stress from the day. My teacher called this " taking out the garbage " from the higher chakras. I would really recommend that you receive a Reiki attunement, or two, or three . . . I also use light and color to clean and protect my spirit. White and yellow light are cleansing and protecting, and green light is healing. Purple light is lovely and protective as is pink light. So, learning about light work may be great for you. Finally, I have my beautiful crystal " buddies " around. I wear black tourmaline and hematite when I want complete protection. Fluorite and sodalite clear out the negative energy you may pick up, and citrine is wonderful for cleaning and protection. Ultimately, you will have to find your own crystal friends to help you, but these are some that work for me. Also amethyst and rose quartz--loving and protective. Hope this helps. You have been given useful and much-needed gifts, but they don't have to run your life. You have to find a place of peace and healing to be able to help others with your abilities. Love and Light, Cindy , " Liz " <lizard_mama9 wrote: > > I am a born Em path and still don't have full control of my abilities. > Does anyone know of any books, teachers or personal experience that > could help me release the energy I take on from others? I am > miserable right now, and I need to learn more about what I can do with > this ability among the others i have. I am lost!! > > Please any information would be helpful!! > > Love and Light > > Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 I find staying away from crowds and most people helps, and I rarely go out without black tourmaline in my pocket, also a few others. At the moment, chiastolite,selenite and Black tourmaline in one pocket, black tourmaline, smokey quartz and carnelian in the other. Every so often I change what I'm carrying. Also try visualising mirrors around you so that other people's energy doesn't get in to you. Or whatever works for you. (I'm no good at visualisation, so I just " pretend " Muriel , " Liz " <lizard_mama9 wrote: > > I am a born Em path and still don't have full control of my abilities. > Does anyone know of any books, teachers or personal experience that > could help me release the energy I take on from others? I am > miserable right now, and I need to learn more about what I can do with > this ability among the others i have. I am lost!! > > Please any information would be helpful!! > > Love and Light > > Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Please forgive me but may I ask what an " Em path " is? I would like to learn about this. cindy_midcalf <cindy_midcalf wrote: Liz, There are quite a few of us " sensitives " in this group. We may each have different ways of dealing with the " stuff " we pick up from others but I can share what I do. I am a psychotherapist, and sometimes I do get overwhelmed after a few rough hours. Every night I meditate and use Reiki to clean out the junk and stress from the day. My teacher called this " taking out the garbage " from the higher chakras. I would really recommend that you receive a Reiki attunement, or two, or three . . . I also use light and color to clean and protect my spirit. White and yellow light are cleansing and protecting, and green light is healing. Purple light is lovely and protective as is pink light. So, learning about light work may be great for you. Finally, I have my beautiful crystal " buddies " around. I wear black tourmaline and hematite when I want complete protection. Fluorite and sodalite clear out the negative energy you may pick up, and citrine is wonderful for cleaning and protection. Ultimately, you will have to find your own crystal friends to help you, but these are some that work for me. Also amethyst and rose quartz--loving and protective. Hope this helps. You have been given useful and much-needed gifts, but they don't have to run your life. You have to find a place of peace and healing to be able to help others with your abilities. Love and Light, Cindy , " Liz " wrote: > > I am a born Em path and still don't have full control of my abilities. > Does anyone know of any books, teachers or personal experience that > could help me release the energy I take on from others? I am > miserable right now, and I need to learn more about what I can do with > this ability among the others i have. I am lost!! > > Please any information would be helpful!! > > Love and Light > > Liz > --- The Crystal healing workshop files are online at http://pjentoft.com/0crystal-healing.html some files, photos, and message archives can also be found At: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 A person who " feels " the emotion or energy of other people...some to the point that the other's energy feels like it becomes their own. (which is why it was also defined as sensitive) Kay <hottrinbago72_99 Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:48:47 PM Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance Please forgive me but may I ask what an " Em path " is? I would like to learn about this. cindy_midcalf <cindy_midcalf@ > wrote: Liz, There are quite a few of us " sensitives " in this group. We may each have different ways of dealing with the " stuff " we pick up from others but I can share what I do. I am a psychotherapist, and sometimes I do get overwhelmed after a few rough hours. Every night I meditate and use Reiki to clean out the junk and stress from the day. My teacher called this " taking out the garbage " from the higher chakras. I would really recommend that you receive a Reiki attunement, or two, or three . . . I also use light and color to clean and protect my spirit. White and yellow light are cleansing and protecting, and green light is healing. Purple light is lovely and protective as is pink light. So, learning about light work may be great for you. Finally, I have my beautiful crystal " buddies " around. I wear black tourmaline and hematite when I want complete protection. Fluorite and sodalite clear out the negative energy you may pick up, and citrine is wonderful for cleaning and protection. Ultimately, you will have to find your own crystal friends to help you, but these are some that work for me. Also amethyst and rose quartz--loving and protective. Hope this helps. You have been given useful and much-needed gifts, but they don't have to run your life. You have to find a place of peace and healing to be able to help others with your abilities. Love and Light, Cindy CrystalHealing- workshop, " Liz " wrote: > > I am a born Em path and still don't have full control of my abilities. > Does anyone know of any books, teachers or personal experience that > could help me release the energy I take on from others? I am > miserable right now, and I need to learn more about what I can do with > this ability among the others i have. I am lost!! > > Please any information would be helpful!! > > Love and Light > > Liz > ------------ --------- --------- ------ The Crystal healing workshop files are online at http://pjentoft. com/0crystal- healing.html some files, photos, and message archives can also be found At: http://groups. / group/CrystalHea ling-workshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 and it's all one word - empath. We don't often know till we're older that it's other folk's emotions we're feeling not our own. I can be feeling OK, talk to someone and feel awful cos I've taken on their negative energy, worries etc. It's a blooming pest, but part of our paths. Muriel , sassi kass <sassikass wrote: > > A person who " feels " the emotion or energy of other people...some to the point that the other's energy feels like it becomes their own. (which is why it was also defined as sensitive) > > > > > Kay <hottrinbago72_99 > > Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:48:47 PM > Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance > > > Please forgive me but may I ask what an " Em path " is? I would like to learn about this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 murielblackley2 wrote: > and it's all one word - empath. > There is a course for Empaths at http://mysilentecho.com/dreamtongue1.htm designed by the late Jad Alexander. There is a that supports the coursework too. I have not really done much of the course work but it seems to be a good place for people with empathic issues . Grounding and centering are practices I highly recommend for empaths and there are many different stones and crystals which can help with stabilization , clarity and protection from being overwhelmed There are two quizzes associated with Jad's Book of Storms Are You an Empath http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=50393N What kind of Empath are You? http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=50392N Peggy Jentoft > We don't often know till we're older that it's other folk's emotions > we're feeling not our own. I can be feeling OK, talk to someone and > feel awful cos I've taken on their negative energy, worries etc. > It's a blooming pest, but part of our paths. > > Muriel > , sassi kass > <sassikass wrote: > >> A person who " feels " the emotion or energy of other people...some >> > to the point that the other's energy feels like it becomes their > own. (which is why it was also defined as sensitive) > >> >> >> Kay <hottrinbago72_99 >> >> Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:48:47 PM >> Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance >> >> >> Please forgive me but may I ask what an " Em path " is? I would like >> > to learn about this. > > > > > --- > > The Crystal healing workshop files are online at http://pjentoft.com/0crystal-healing.html > some files, photos, and message archives can also be found At: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Thank you so much for providing this!!! rosequartz <rosequartz Monday, June 30, 2008 4:58:00 PM Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance murielblackley2 wrote: > and it's all one word - empath. > There is a course for Empaths at http://mysilentecho .com/dreamtongue 1.htm designed by the late Jad Alexander. There is a that supports the coursework too. I have not really done much of the course work but it seems to be a good place for people with empathic issues . Grounding and centering are practices I highly recommend for empaths and there are many different stones and crystals which can help with stabilization , clarity and protection from being overwhelmed There are two quizzes associated with Jad's Book of Storms Are You an Empath http://quizfarm. com/test. php?q_id= 50393N What kind of Empath are You? http://quizfarm. com/test. php?q_id= 50392N Peggy Jentoft > We don't often know till we're older that it's other folk's emotions > we're feeling not our own. I can be feeling OK, talk to someone and > feel awful cos I've taken on their negative energy, worries etc. > It's a blooming pest, but part of our paths. > > Muriel > CrystalHealing- workshop, sassi kass > <sassikass@. ..> wrote: > >> A person who " feels " the emotion or energy of other people...some >> > to the point that the other's energy feels like it becomes their > own. (which is why it was also defined as sensitive) > >> >> >> Kay <hottrinbago72_ 99 >> CrystalHealing- workshop >> Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:48:47 PM >> Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance >> >> >> Please forgive me but may I ask what an " Em path " is? I would like >> > to learn about this. > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > The Crystal healing workshop files are online at http://pjentoft. com/0crystal- healing.html > some files, photos, and message archives can also be found At: > http://groups. / group/CrystalHea ling-workshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 How would a person know if they are an " empath " or not? I copied this section below from the website mysilentech.com, if you are a person who is very highly sensitive to what people say or do,does would that be considered an empath? An Empath also possesses a very sensitive emotional nature, that is typically difficult to self-manage. Books have been written on " highly sensitive people " and those materials are relevant to this topic. However, being highly sensitive is only one part of the formula for Empaths. http://mysilentecho.com/dreamtongue1.htm sassi kass <sassikass wrote: Thank you so much for providing this!!! rosequartz Monday, June 30, 2008 4:58:00 PM Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance murielblackley2 wrote: > and it's all one word - empath. > There is a course for Empaths at http://mysilentecho .com/dreamtongue 1.htm designed by the late Jad Alexander. There is a that supports the coursework too. I have not really done much of the course work but it seems to be a good place for people with empathic issues . Grounding and centering are practices I highly recommend for empaths and there are many different stones and crystals which can help with stabilization , clarity and protection from being overwhelmed There are two quizzes associated with Jad's Book of Storms Are You an Empath http://quizfarm. com/test. php?q_id= 50393N What kind of Empath are You? http://quizfarm. com/test. php?q_id= 50392N Peggy Jentoft > We don't often know till we're older that it's other folk's emotions > we're feeling not our own. I can be feeling OK, talk to someone and > feel awful cos I've taken on their negative energy, worries etc. > It's a blooming pest, but part of our paths. > > Muriel > CrystalHealing- workshop, sassi kass > wrote: > >> A person who " feels " the emotion or energy of other people...some >> > to the point that the other's energy feels like it becomes their > own. (which is why it was also defined as sensitive) > >> >> >> Kay >> CrystalHealing- workshop >> Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:48:47 PM >> Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance >> >> >> Please forgive me but may I ask what an " Em path " is? I would like >> > to learn about this. > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > The Crystal healing workshop files are online at http://pjentoft. com/0crystal- healing.html > some files, photos, and message archives can also be found At: > http://groups. / group/CrystalHea ling-workshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I have been following this topic and I have a question. I am an empath and I think my oldest son is one also. He is 4 but seems so much older and wiser and he is so sensitive and in tune to everything around him but man can he shut down when things get overwhelming. My question is how do we co-exist happily. He and I can get arguing and our emotions just feed off each other until we are both so unhappy that we are crying. I love my son so very deeply and we have to be able to move in each others lives without feeding each others emotions so how do we do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 , " addysmum2003 " <addysmum wrote: > > I have been following this topic and I have a question. I am an > empath and I think my oldest son is one also. He is 4 but seems so > much older and wiser and he is so sensitive and in tune to everything > around him but man can he shut down when things get overwhelming. My > question is how do we co-exist happily. He and I can get arguing and > our emotions just feed off each other until we are both so unhappy > that we are crying. I love my son so very deeply and we have to be > able to move in each others lives without feeding each others emotions > so how do we do it? > You are arguing with your son who is 4? Can you describe what that is like ? " the poetry that comes from the squaring off between, and the circling is worth it, finding beauty in the dissonance " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Hello I'm an Empath as well are you familer with indiego children? I'm wondering if you could be dealing with one here? Have you worked thru The Book Of Storm's series any? if not I would strongly reccomend that above all, make sure you are well grounded first it can be found at MySilentEhco.com the course is free and has help me better understand that constant in/out of information that we get overwhelmed with. Namaste' bry , " holyreality11 " <holyreality11 wrote: > > , " addysmum2003 " > <addysmum@> wrote: > > > > I have been following this topic and I have a question. I am an > > empath and I think my oldest son is one also. He is 4 but seems so > > much older and wiser and he is so sensitive and in tune to everything > > around him but man can he shut down when things get overwhelming. My > > question is how do we co-exist happily. He and I can get arguing and > > our emotions just feed off each other until we are both so unhappy > > that we are crying. I love my son so very deeply and we have to be > > able to move in each others lives without feeding each others emotions > > so how do we do it? > > > You are arguing with your son who is 4? > > Can you describe what that is like ? > > " the poetry that comes from the squaring off between, > and the circling is worth it, finding beauty in the dissonance " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Hi, Yes I am arguing with a 4 year old. I know that is not really the best thing as far as parenting but that kid is so head strong. It is a truly frustrating thing to argue with a 4 year old because the logic of an adult doesn't work in their minds. Normally it is the same old arguments parents have been having for years, eat your dinner, clean your toys up, don't hit your brother but he can be so stubborn and his emotions are so high that a simple pick up before dinner is like I asked him to kill his dog. He cries and screams and carries on. Any advice on dealing with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Thank you Bry, On your advice I have started the Book of Storms. I just don't know how to help my son. He is so highly emotional and so easy to get upset that a simple request can turn into WW3 in 2 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Doreen Virtue has a book out on " The Care and Feeding of Crystal Children " . There are also others out there. These children need massive amounts of protein to stay grounded. There are other nutritional requirements as well. These children also learn differently. Maybe you would like to be prepared before he goes to school. You don't want him feeling like anything 'less than'. Good luck. Pat Hoffert West Seneca, NY >addysmum2003 <addysmum >2008/07/07 Mon PM 04:35:37 EDT > >[CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance > >Hi, >Yes I am arguing with a 4 year old. I know that is not really the >best thing as far as parenting but that kid is so head strong. It is >a truly frustrating thing to argue with a 4 year old because the logic >of an adult doesn't work in their minds. Normally it is the same old >arguments parents have been having for years, eat your dinner, clean >your toys up, don't hit your brother but he can be so stubborn and his >emotions are so high that a simple pick up before dinner is like I >asked him to kill his dog. He cries and screams and carries on. Any >advice on dealing with him? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 , " addysmum2003 " <addysmum wrote: > > Hi, > Yes I am arguing with a 4 year old. I know that is not really the > best thing as far as parenting but that kid is so head strong. It is > a truly frustrating thing to argue with a 4 year old because the logic > of an adult doesn't work in their minds. Normally it is the same old > arguments parents have been having for years, eat your dinner, clean > your toys up, don't hit your brother but he can be so stubborn and his > emotions are so high that a simple pick up before dinner is like I > asked him to kill his dog. He cries and screams and carries on. Any > advice on dealing with him? > be completely consistent in your approaches at all times observe carefully and immediately reward / punish behavior as you see fit, always being calm if someone wants to eat dinner, and gets very hungry, then the reward of eating will be enough to get them to do actions which are reasonable for their level of experience. if pick up before dinner is mandatory then do not make dinner. sit and wait for all emotions to leave the child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Okay here is goes - Here is what I found with working with my traumatic brain injured child for the past 19 of her 21 years. My kids never did good in time out. I also don't have the time to do major records keeping or posting on a daily basis with all the occurrence that a 4 year old can make. But you can keep a simple chart with stars (you know the kind we use to use in school) or there are plenty of " positive renforcement " stamps that can be purchased anywhere crafts are sold, that can also be used for a posted record keeper. A Dr. I know used this for his child and when he earned so many gold stars the child was able to go a purchase one of the collector bears (they were popular at the time). We started giving the kids $2.00 a week in allowance for special chores. This didn't include picking up their toys, their room, or picking up after themselves. But they had to use their money to purchase drinks and candy and the $1.00 movie or machine items that I won't purchase. At this age - it could be feeding an animal, setting the table, picking up yard debree etc - use your imagination for the small stuff. At one point at an older age when they back talked etc - they had 25cents taken away - boy they didn't like that. (This also taught them to be good with money and my youngest saves her $$$ real good now! she is 13) You could also take the toys away or only allow one at a time to be played with - behavior will come with this - so be prepared! Any major behavior plan from any source Boys Town USA etc is that it takes 5 months to correct a behavior- which usually the child wins since the child only wants one thing and that is all they concentrate on while the adult has all of life's everyday details to deal with. If you can be consistant for the 5 months then you will win and be able to have the child do what you want to have done!!!! The only thing that I can suggest - since I don't believe in holding main meals at bay it is not healthy for anyone to do that - is to hold back a desert or a special treat. Please don't make all your rewards with food - other things at this age work very well - like an extra story - staying up 15 more minutes on Friday for a special tv or movie. Rewards with food only associate the emotions with food - which can hurt greatly when they are older. As an example we had a problem since bath was before bedtime - my kids baulked the bath. So we changed it and make it to where the bath was at least an hour before bedtime and they had some down time before actually going to bed. Life was much better for everyone when this occurred. Maybe you could make the pick up time at a different time - maybe not so close to dinner - or you could read a book or do a 15 minute activity after the pick up and before dinner as so the child doesn't associate it with the dinner. Even at 4 they can set the napkins and silverware on the table. Have them assist where they can - it makes them feel so grown up to assist in the kitchen - no matter what sex they are. Please note it also could just be the time of day - all children get cranky. You didn't mention if the child was home with you during the day or being cared for by someone else. This could be just a release if they are not with you all day. I have found that between 3:30 and 5:30 is not a good time of day no matter what the age - school age is tired when they come home and cranky as well. Everyone has to adjust to transistion - no matter how small a transistion it is. The last suggestion is to purchase an older book called " Good Behavior: by Stephen Garaber and Marianne Daniels Garber. - It has lots and lots in there - my child psychologist used it for years and recommended it a lot back in the days. By the way my child only saw the psychologist for testing purposes not for any other reason. But try something different and keep at it till you find the right mix - be consistant and constant!!!! I had the same problem with my youngest child and we don't any more. Just one odd question - do you sage your home and keep it clear of negativity that is brought in from the outside. Ringing a bell also works in changing the energy - anywhere!!! Burn or spray sandelwood or lavender and it will put love back into the environment. Will keep you in prayer as I have been there and it is exhausting - as I was a single parent of two and one was disabled when she was 21 months old. Keep me posted on how this goes. Blessings to yu Rebecca (Jane Doe) --- On Mon, 7/7/08, holyreality11 <holyreality11 wrote: holyreality11 <holyreality11 [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance Monday, July 7, 2008, 6:51 PM CrystalHealing- workshop, " addysmum2003 " <addysmum@.. .> wrote: > > Hi, > Yes I am arguing with a 4 year old. I know that is not really the > best thing as far as parenting but that kid is so head strong. It is > a truly frustrating thing to argue with a 4 year old because the logic > of an adult doesn't work in their minds. Normally it is the same old > arguments parents have been having for years, eat your dinner, clean > your toys up, don't hit your brother but he can be so stubborn and his > emotions are so high that a simple pick up before dinner is like I > asked him to kill his dog. He cries and screams and carries on. Any > advice on dealing with him? > be completely consistent in your approaches at all times observe carefully and immediately reward / punish behavior as you see fit, always being calm if someone wants to eat dinner, and gets very hungry, then the reward of eating will be enough to get them to do actions which are reasonable for their level of experience. if pick up before dinner is mandatory then do not make dinner. sit and wait for all emotions to leave the child. 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 It sounds like you have an artist in your hands. They are the sort of people who conform much less (or never) with the rules of society, especially family. I know about it. My son was one of them. Just to give you a glimpse of my " nightmare " I will tell you that nothing worked with this guy; example: he would throw everything on the floor, from ordinary drinking glasses, to juices, eggs, garbage, plants, etc, no matter how much I secured these things from him. And, soon enough I realized that time outs and other forms of punishment did not much good and I gave up on them, which is the one thing I never regretted in my life. I realized that my son was a different person and I remember that when I was a child, my mum would force me to drink yogurt that she would make herself, and I hated it then, as I do now. Why did I have to go through that? I think everyone has the same type of history and when you think about it, it doesn't make sense to have suffered because of " peanuts. " Forcing children (or other people) to do what we want is counter- productive. Perhaps tidying up the room is important to you, but it doesn't make a difference to him and he doesn't understand that, no matter how much you argue or try to explain things to him. You are just wasting your good energy. It is like putting your good money to fix a defective car. It is a waste. My son never picked his toys up and I reconciled with the idea. So I allowed a few toys a day, and kept recycling them, which, in fact, made him much more excited to have a " new " toy to play everyday. He was allowed to roam over the house so, if I wanted to get rid of the toys, I had to pick them up. He also was not interested in helping in the kitchen or performing any mundane task. He was (and is) an artist. Even today, he has a hard time helping out even when I ask him to. He has the greatest of intentions, but his mind is occupied with creating up screenplays and what not. This is the way he is. And to be honest, everyone, from professors, dentists, friend's parents, supermaket cashiers, and so on, think that he is absolutley delightful and they love him the way he is. When you impose your preferences to a child who is not really grounded by nature, both of you suffer and what is the point of it? Think about Mozart. The man couldn't do an earthly thing. The concrete word was too much for him. But look what he has left us. Some people are not grounded and this is the way they are. My son was almost a teenager when he realized that people lived by dates. It never made a difference to him if today was Sunday or March 21st. When you impose your wishes on a child or anyone else, everybody loses. It makes everyone miserable, especially you, and when you are miserable, everyone suffers because you are the anchor of your family. In my opinion, you should back up. Or pick one battle a season. And expect very, very little. Perhaps your child would love to be drawing or painting or playing with costumes, or all of the above. In my experience we should always try to set up rules but as soon as you see that they are not working, change something so they do work and so they child sees you as the authority. Remember St. Exupéry in " The Little Prince. " He says: " Authority rests upon reason. " What is the point of having authority that doesn't work? It is no authority. When a child realizes that the parent doesn't have authority, the child feels unsafe, for the anchor is not grounded and the child needs that. And how about fun? Remember Mary Poppins: " A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. " How can you make him do the things you think are important in a way that he considers absolutely delightful? Mary Sheedy Kurchinka wrote a book that helped in more ways than one. It is called: Raising Your Spirited Child. She will help you understand your son and also will teach you some very pragmatic lessons on how to deal with him. One of them is the notion of " transition. " Some children need a lot of time to go from one activity to another, so the idea is to warn this child that something else will happen in about half an hour. Then, 20 min, then 15 and so on. The child then finds it easier to go to the next activity, be it go out to play, have a bath, eat, put away the toys, etc. She gives a great example: Robin Williams. Imagine this guy as a child. What his mother must have suffered. And so you have it. And, sorry for the length of this message, if you can find a good homeopath in your area, take your son to see him. Homeopathy did wonders to my son, from when he was 4 on. The first thing was that he stopped throwing things on the floor. Many blessings, Maria PS: Try Rescue Remedy. My son and I carry it in our pockets. , " addysmum2003 " <addysmum wrote: > > Hi, > Yes I am arguing with a 4 year old. I know that is not really the > best thing as far as parenting but that kid is so head strong. It is > a truly frustrating thing to argue with a 4 year old because the logic > of an adult doesn't work in their minds. Normally it is the same old > arguments parents have been having for years, eat your dinner, clean > your toys up, don't hit your brother but he can be so stubborn and his > emotions are so high that a simple pick up before dinner is like I > asked him to kill his dog. He cries and screams and carries on. Any > advice on dealing with him? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Lots of wonderful and thoughtful responses. As Kahil Gibran is famous for saying 'our children come through us, not from us.'. The art of being a parent, teacher, friend, nurse and purse often leaves us with not enough time to nurture our own selves and I remember at one point becoming aware that the times I was most frustrated and feeling the most ineffective were the times when I was not giving myself times out. I remember that we formed a neighborhood group that got together once a week for a 'taco party' (inexpensive, easy) with the entities we were in charge of nurturing and it became a great source of sharing stories, information and laughter. Sometimes it was the only time out that I got, as I was a single parent student at time. We often traded babysitting within the group when needed. On a limited budget, that was great! Blessings to all on the journey of parenting. One of my favorite bumperstickers states that 'it's never to late to have a happy childhood'. I had my own growing up to do in making sure that my own son was not affected by the emotional abuse that was a part of my own history. My own little 'charge' is 35 and has a son of his own. Although I don't see him as often as I'd like, I treasure what we share in phone conversation and look forward to seeing him with Mom and Dad in the fall. Below is a link that will eventually take you to the Children of the New Earth newsletter and organization. . . . so much available to them not possible to list. http://www.childrenofthenewearth.com/contents.php?page=articles/contents/july_08 drmoratto <drmoratto wrote: It sounds like you have an artist in your hands. They are the sort of people who conform much less (or never) with the rules of society, especially family. I know about it. My son was one of them. Just to give you a glimpse of my " nightmare " I will tell you that nothing worked with this guy; example: he would throw everything on the floor, from ordinary drinking glasses, to juices, eggs, garbage, plants, etc, no matter how much I secured these things from him. And, soon enough I realized that time outs and other forms of punishment did not much good and I gave up on them, which is the one thing I never regretted in my life. I realized that my son was a different person and I remember that when I was a child, my mum would force me to drink yogurt that she would make herself, and I hated it then, as I do now. Why did I have to go through that? I think everyone has the same type of history and when you think about it, it doesn't make sense to have suffered because of " peanuts. " Forcing children (or other people) to do what we want is counter- productive. Perhaps tidying up the room is important to you, but it doesn't make a difference to him and he doesn't understand that, no matter how much you argue or try to explain things to him. You are just wasting your good energy. It is like putting your good money to fix a defective car. It is a waste. My son never picked his toys up and I reconciled with the idea. So I allowed a few toys a day, and kept recycling them, which, in fact, made him much more excited to have a " new " toy to play everyday. He was allowed to roam over the house so, if I wanted to get rid of the toys, I had to pick them up. He also was not interested in helping in the kitchen or performing any mundane task. He was (and is) an artist. Even today, he has a hard time helping out even when I ask him to. He has the greatest of intentions, but his mind is occupied with creating up screenplays and what not. This is the way he is. And to be honest, everyone, from professors, dentists, friend's parents, supermaket cashiers, and so on, think that he is absolutley delightful and they love him the way he is. When you impose your preferences to a child who is not really grounded by nature, both of you suffer and what is the point of it? Think about Mozart. The man couldn't do an earthly thing. The concrete word was too much for him. But look what he has left us. Some people are not grounded and this is the way they are. My son was almost a teenager when he realized that people lived by dates. It never made a difference to him if today was Sunday or March 21st. When you impose your wishes on a child or anyone else, everybody loses. It makes everyone miserable, especially you, and when you are miserable, everyone suffers because you are the anchor of your family. In my opinion, you should back up. Or pick one battle a season. And expect very, very little. Perhaps your child would love to be drawing or painting or playing with costumes, or all of the above. In my experience we should always try to set up rules but as soon as you see that they are not working, change something so they do work and so they child sees you as the authority. Remember St. Exupéry in " The Little Prince. " He says: " Authority rests upon reason. " What is the point of having authority that doesn't work? It is no authority. When a child realizes that the parent doesn't have authority, the child feels unsafe, for the anchor is not grounded and the child needs that. And how about fun? Remember Mary Poppins: " A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. " How can you make him do the things you think are important in a way that he considers absolutely delightful? Mary Sheedy Kurchinka wrote a book that helped in more ways than one. It is called: Raising Your Spirited Child. She will help you understand your son and also will teach you some very pragmatic lessons on how to deal with him. One of them is the notion of " transition. " Some children need a lot of time to go from one activity to another, so the idea is to warn this child that something else will happen in about half an hour. Then, 20 min, then 15 and so on. The child then finds it easier to go to the next activity, be it go out to play, have a bath, eat, put away the toys, etc. She gives a great example: Robin Williams. Imagine this guy as a child. What his mother must have suffered. And so you have it. And, sorry for the length of this message, if you can find a good homeopath in your area, take your son to see him. Homeopathy did wonders to my son, from when he was 4 on. The first thing was that he stopped throwing things on the floor. Many blessings, Maria PS: Try Rescue Remedy. My son and I carry it in our pockets. , " addysmum2003 " wrote: > > Hi, > Yes I am arguing with a 4 year old. I know that is not really the > best thing as far as parenting but that kid is so head strong. It is > a truly frustrating thing to argue with a 4 year old because the logic > of an adult doesn't work in their minds. Normally it is the same old > arguments parents have been having for years, eat your dinner, clean > your toys up, don't hit your brother but he can be so stubborn and his > emotions are so high that a simple pick up before dinner is like I > asked him to kill his dog. He cries and screams and carries on. Any > advice on dealing with him? > --- The Crystal healing workshop files are online at http://pjentoft.com/0crystal-healing.html some files, photos, and message archives can also be found At: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 an interesting link that has a channeling session with the archangel michael they touch on empaths in one part but a generally good read that also gives insight to the 2008-2009 years http://www.namaste-wi.com/aamichael.html - Skye Coe Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:01 PM Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Em path in need of some assistance Lots of wonderful and thoughtful responses. As Kahil Gibran is famous for saying 'our children come through us, not from us.'. The art of being a parent, teacher, friend, nurse and purse often leaves us with not enough time to nurture our own selves and I remember at one point becoming aware that the times I was most frustrated and feeling the most ineffective were the times when I was not giving myself times out. I remember that we formed a neighborhood group that got together once a week for a 'taco party' (inexpensive, easy) with the entities we were in charge of nurturing and it became a great source of sharing stories, information and laughter. Sometimes it was the only time out that I got, as I was a single parent student at time. We often traded babysitting within the group when needed. On a limited budget, that was great! Blessings to all on the journey of parenting. One of my favorite bumperstickers states that 'it's never to late to have a happy childhood'. I had my own growing up to do in making sure that my own son was not affected by the emotional abuse that was a part of my own history. My own little 'charge' is 35 and has a son of his own. Although I don't see him as often as I'd like, I treasure what we share in phone conversation and look forward to seeing him with Mom and Dad in the fall. Below is a link that will eventually take you to the Children of the New Earth newsletter and organization. . . . so much available to them not possible to list. http://www.childrenofthenewearth.com/contents.php?page=articles/contents/july_08 drmoratto <drmoratto wrote: It sounds like you have an artist in your hands. They are the sort of people who conform much less (or never) with the rules of society, especially family. I know about it. My son was one of them. Just to give you a glimpse of my " nightmare " I will tell you that nothing worked with this guy; example: he would throw everything on the floor, from ordinary drinking glasses, to juices, eggs, garbage, plants, etc, no matter how much I secured these things from him. And, soon enough I realized that time outs and other forms of punishment did not much good and I gave up on them, which is the one thing I never regretted in my life. I realized that my son was a different person and I remember that when I was a child, my mum would force me to drink yogurt that she would make herself, and I hated it then, as I do now. Why did I have to go through that? I think everyone has the same type of history and when you think about it, it doesn't make sense to have suffered because of " peanuts. " Forcing children (or other people) to do what we want is counter- productive. Perhaps tidying up the room is important to you, but it doesn't make a difference to him and he doesn't understand that, no matter how much you argue or try to explain things to him. You are just wasting your good energy. It is like putting your good money to fix a defective car. It is a waste. My son never picked his toys up and I reconciled with the idea. So I allowed a few toys a day, and kept recycling them, which, in fact, made him much more excited to have a " new " toy to play everyday. He was allowed to roam over the house so, if I wanted to get rid of the toys, I had to pick them up. He also was not interested in helping in the kitchen or performing any mundane task. He was (and is) an artist. Even today, he has a hard time helping out even when I ask him to. He has the greatest of intentions, but his mind is occupied with creating up screenplays and what not. This is the way he is. And to be honest, everyone, from professors, dentists, friend's parents, supermaket cashiers, and so on, think that he is absolutley delightful and they love him the way he is. When you impose your preferences to a child who is not really grounded by nature, both of you suffer and what is the point of it? Think about Mozart. The man couldn't do an earthly thing. The concrete word was too much for him. But look what he has left us. Some people are not grounded and this is the way they are. My son was almost a teenager when he realized that people lived by dates. It never made a difference to him if today was Sunday or March 21st. When you impose your wishes on a child or anyone else, everybody loses. It makes everyone miserable, especially you, and when you are miserable, everyone suffers because you are the anchor of your family. In my opinion, you should back up. Or pick one battle a season. And expect very, very little. Perhaps your child would love to be drawing or painting or playing with costumes, or all of the above. In my experience we should always try to set up rules but as soon as you see that they are not working, change something so they do work and so they child sees you as the authority. Remember St. Exupéry in " The Little Prince. " He says: " Authority rests upon reason. " What is the point of having authority that doesn't work? It is no authority. When a child realizes that the parent doesn't have authority, the child feels unsafe, for the anchor is not grounded and the child needs that. And how about fun? Remember Mary Poppins: " A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. " How can you make him do the things you think are important in a way that he considers absolutely delightful? Mary Sheedy Kurchinka wrote a book that helped in more ways than one. It is called: Raising Your Spirited Child. She will help you understand your son and also will teach you some very pragmatic lessons on how to deal with him. One of them is the notion of " transition. " Some children need a lot of time to go from one activity to another, so the idea is to warn this child that something else will happen in about half an hour. Then, 20 min, then 15 and so on. The child then finds it easier to go to the next activity, be it go out to play, have a bath, eat, put away the toys, etc. She gives a great example: Robin Williams. Imagine this guy as a child. What his mother must have suffered. And so you have it. And, sorry for the length of this message, if you can find a good homeopath in your area, take your son to see him. Homeopathy did wonders to my son, from when he was 4 on. The first thing was that he stopped throwing things on the floor. Many blessings, Maria PS: Try Rescue Remedy. My son and I carry it in our pockets. , " addysmum2003 " wrote: > > Hi, > Yes I am arguing with a 4 year old. I know that is not really the > best thing as far as parenting but that kid is so head strong. It is > a truly frustrating thing to argue with a 4 year old because the logic > of an adult doesn't work in their minds. Normally it is the same old > arguments parents have been having for years, eat your dinner, clean > your toys up, don't hit your brother but he can be so stubborn and his > emotions are so high that a simple pick up before dinner is like I > asked him to kill his dog. He cries and screams and carries on. Any > advice on dealing with him? > --- The Crystal healing workshop files are online at http://pjentoft.com/0crystal-healing.html some files, photos, and message archives can also be found At: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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