Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Tell us more Kathleen...please. John >Blessings, >Kathleen > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only >pinch your toes. >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison chaplain to >another... though possibly different faiths. > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > --- In > <%40>@g\ roups.com > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to meet one > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets hope there is a > > special > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not offensive. > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > no need to > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are self serving... > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self serving as > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in Prisons as a > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > think this > > > was self serving. > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > people. > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about this, you are > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in prisons and > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who are not good > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion based on actual > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to meet one who > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers out there and > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in the face of > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > >-- >~ >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity >and original thought. >- Lady Dionne >~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections Canada. I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious " services " . At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally - but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to pass on, they drop it in the bag. It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, heh). Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own use, I assure you! heh) I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones *choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " -- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of " my " guys! Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their attention... or mine. It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to help them with. Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these people are able to open their senses to the different energies. And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. <smile> Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. Blessings, Kathleen John Van Rees wrote: > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > John > > >Blessings, > >Kathleen > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > >pinch your toes. > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison chaplain to > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40>@g\ roups.com > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > meet one > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets hope there is a > > > special > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > offensive. > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are self serving... > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > serving as > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > Prisons as a > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > think this > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > people. > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about this, you are > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in prisons and > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who are not good > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion based on actual > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to meet one who > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers out there and > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in the face of > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > >-- > >~ > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > >and original thought. > >- Lady Dionne > >~ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Kathleen, This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New Thought minister and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was interesting. I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was one interesting night. Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a Prison Basket to send to you to use. Thanks!!!! At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections >Canada. >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan >representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious > " services " . >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to >pass on, they drop it in the bag. >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, >heh). > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own >use, I assure you! heh) >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > " my " guys! > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their >attention... or mine. >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to >help them with. >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. ><smile> >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > >Blessings, >Kathleen > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > John > > > > >Blessings, > > >Kathleen > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > >pinch your toes. > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison chaplain to > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40><CrystalHealing-worksho\ p%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > meet one > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets hope there is a > > > > special > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > offensive. > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are self serving... > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > serving as > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > Prisons as a > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > > think this > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>><http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.\ exquisitecrystals.com > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about this, you are > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in prisons and > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who are not good > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion based on actual > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to meet one who > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers out there and > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in the face of > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >~ > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > >and original thought. > > >- Lady Dionne > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 that is a wonderful story. it sounds like you do great work and help many people. Dragonswife <dragonswife wrote: Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections Canada. I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious " services " . At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally - but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to pass on, they drop it in the bag. It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, heh). Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own use, I assure you! heh) I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones *choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " -- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of " my " guys! Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their attention... or mine. It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to help them with. Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these people are able to open their senses to the different energies. And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. <smile> Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. Blessings, Kathleen John Van Rees wrote: > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > John > > >Blessings, > >Kathleen > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > >pinch your toes. > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison chaplain to > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40>@g\ roups.com > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > meet one > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets hope there is a > > > special > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > offensive. > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are self serving... > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > serving as > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > Prisons as a > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > think this > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > people. > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about this, you are > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in prisons and > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who are not good > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion based on actual > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to meet one who > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers out there and > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in the face of > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > >-- > >~ > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > >and original thought. > >- Lady Dionne > >~ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 John, it really *is* cool! <smile> Very rewarding work - not in a physical or monetary sense, but spiritually and often emotionally... my own personal growth has been tremendous because of it, and it can be very humbling. <smile> I've had a few Satanists too, but they generally don't come back, heh I think that's because what they're looking for isn't there? True enough, it can make for interesting discussions! I believe that everyone has the right or need to access Spirit somehow, and their Path is the one they have to walk... who am I to say what shoes they wear when they're walking it? To be honest, I've never met any Satanists that stayed on that Path for the long term, though... but I do know a few really good people who used it as a stepping stone at some time in their past travels. That is a very kind, generous and considerate offer, John, that I will humbly accept. <smile> I will mail you off-list. Thank you. <smile> Blessings, Kathleen John Van Rees wrote: > > Kathleen, > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > Thought minister > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > interesting. > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > one interesting > night. > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a Prison > Basket to > send to you to use. > > Thanks!!!! > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections > >Canada. > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious > > " services " . > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, > >heh). > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own > >use, I assure you! heh) > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > > " my " guys! > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > >attention... or mine. > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to > >help them with. > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > ><smile> > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > >Blessings, > >Kathleen > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > John > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > > >pinch your toes. > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison > chaplain to > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > <%40><CrystalHealing-worksho\ p%40> > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > > meet one > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets hope > there is a > > > > > special > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > > offensive. > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are self > serving... > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > > serving as > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > > > think this > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>><http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about this, > you are > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > prisons and > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who are > not good > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion based on > actual > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to meet > one who > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers out > there and > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to > make up > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in the > face of > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >~ > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > >and original thought. > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 I have stayed quiet on this topic, but I would like to say that I think you both do a great service to those in prison. Blessings to you both, Bobbi ---- John Van Rees <john wrote: > Kathleen, > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > Thought minister > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > interesting. > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > one interesting > night. > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a Prison Basket to > send to you to use. > > Thanks!!!! > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections > >Canada. > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious > > " services " . > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, > >heh). > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own > >use, I assure you! heh) > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > > " my " guys! > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > >attention... or mine. > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to > >help them with. > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > ><smile> > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > >Blessings, > >Kathleen > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > John > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > > >pinch your toes. > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison chaplain to > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > <%40><CrystalHealing-worksho\ p%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > > meet one > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets hope there is a > > > > > special > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > > offensive. > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are self serving... > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > > serving as > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > > > think this > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>><http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.\ exquisitecrystals.com > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about this, you are > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in prisons and > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who are not good > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion based on actual > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to meet one who > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers out there and > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in the face of > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >~ > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > >and original thought. > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Thanks Bobbi! John At 08:27 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: >I have stayed quiet on this topic, but I would like to say that I >think you both do a great service to those in prison. > >Blessings to you both, >Bobbi > >---- John Van Rees ><<john%40exquisitecrystals.com>john wrote: > > Kathleen, > > > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > > Thought minister > > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > > interesting. > > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > > one interesting > > night. > > > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a > Prison Basket to > > send to you to use. > > > > Thanks!!!! > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections > > >Canada. > > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. > > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New > > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from > > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious > > > " services " . > > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. > > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally > > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically > > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a > > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so > > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more > > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk > > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, > > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to > > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, > > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to > > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had > > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! > > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, > > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, > > >heh). > > > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends > > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at > > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own > > >use, I assure you! heh) > > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts > > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a > > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue > > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real > > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting > > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry > > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone > > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " > > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked > > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > > > " my " guys! > > > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen > > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > > >attention... or mine. > > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - > > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue > > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to > > >help them with. > > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these > > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are > > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > > ><smile> > > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > >Kathleen > > > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > > > >pinch your toes. > > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison > chaplain to > > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><CrystalHealing-worksho\ p%40><%40>CrystalHea\ ling-workshop > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > > > meet one > > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets > hope there is a > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are > self serving... > > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > > > serving as > > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > > > > think this > > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.\ exquisitecrystals.com > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>><http://www\ ..exquisitecrystals.com><http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecry\ stals.com > > > > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > > > > > > <<<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.\ exquisitecrystals.com > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about > this, you are > > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > prisons and > > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who > are not good > > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion > based on actual > > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to > meet one who > > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers > out there and > > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in > the face of > > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >~ > > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > > >and original thought. > > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Thank you Christa, I do think I fulfill a need and that a lot of people, and, I think society itself, benefits from the work. .... I must admit though, I myself benefit a great deal. I've learned so much, and have become a better person too, I think. In a way, sharing my time and energies, knowledge and skills with these people is " self-serving " in a roundabout way! <smile> Blessings, Kathleen Christa Graves wrote: > > that is a wonderful story. it sounds like you do great work and help > many people. > > Dragonswife <dragonswife <dragonswife%40telus.net>> > wrote: Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections > Canada. > I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. > Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New > Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from > other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious > " services " . > At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. > There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally > - but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically > a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a > collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so > as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more > on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk > in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, > they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to > pass on, they drop it in the bag. > It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, > bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to > take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had > brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! > I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, > has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, > heh). > > Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends > up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at > rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own > use, I assure you! heh) > I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts > to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a > limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue > chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real > access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting > what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > *choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry > and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone > People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " > -- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked > for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > " my " guys! > > Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen > and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > attention... or mine. > It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - > never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue > they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to > help them with. > Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these > people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are > making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > <smile> > Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > Blessings, > Kathleen > > John Van Rees wrote: > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > John > > > > >Blessings, > > >Kathleen > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > >pinch your toes. > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison chaplain to > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40>@g\ roups.com > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > meet one > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets hope there > is a > > > > special > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > offensive. > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are self > serving... > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > serving as > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > Prisons as a > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > > think this > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>> > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about this, > you are > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > prisons and > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who are > not good > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion based on actual > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to meet one who > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers out > there and > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in the face of > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >~ > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > >and original thought. > > >- Lady Dionne > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 John, I would be willing to donate some of my stones, I feel this is a worthy of the sharing. I would be happy to send you some Stone Spirits that volunteer to go, can you please write to me off list and if your interested you could give me a mailing address? I would be happy to offer quite a few substantial quartz points as well Love Light and Many Blessings Lori In a message dated 5/1/2008 10:18:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobbi1669 writes: You're welcome. Bobbi ---- John Van Rees <_john@exquisitecrystjohn@ex_ (john) > wrote: > Thanks Bobbi! > > John > > At 08:27 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: > > >I have stayed quiet on this topic, but I would like to say that I > >think you both do a great service to those in prison. > > > >Blessings to you both, > >Bobbi > > > >---- John Van Rees > ><<john%john%<WBR>_john@exquisitecrystjohn@ex_ (john) > wrote: > > > Kathleen, > > > > > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > > > Thought minister > > > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > > > interesting. > > > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > > > one interesting > > > night. > > > > > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a > > Prison Basket to > > > send to you to use. > > > > > > Thanks!!!! > > > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > > > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections > > > >Canada. > > > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > > > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. > > > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > > > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New > > > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from > > > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > > > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious > > > > " services " . > > > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. > > > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally > > > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > > > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically > > > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a > > > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so > > > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more > > > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk > > > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > > > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > > > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, > > > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to > > > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > > > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, > > > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > > > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to > > > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had > > > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! > > > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, > > > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, > > > >heh). > > > > > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends > > > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at > > > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own > > > >use, I assure you! heh) > > > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts > > > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a > > > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue > > > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > > > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > > > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real > > > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting > > > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > > > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry > > > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > > > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone > > > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " > > > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked > > > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > > > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > > > > " my " guys! > > > > > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen > > > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > > > >attention..attention. > > > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - > > > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue > > > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to > > > >help them with. > > > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these > > > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > > > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > > > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > > > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are > > > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > > > ><smile> > > > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > > > > >pinch your toes. > > > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison > > chaplain to > > > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai><<WBR>Cry\ <W<WBR>Crmai><<WBR>Cry<W<WBR>Crmai>_ CrystalHealing-CrystalHeCrystalHealiCry_ ( ) > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai>, John Van Rees > > > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > > > > meet one > > > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets > > hope there is a > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are > > self serving... > > > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > > > > serving as > > > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > > > > > think this > > > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > <<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >><_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) ><_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > <_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtm_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) > > > > > > <<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about > > this, you are > > > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > > prisons and > > > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who > > are not good > > > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion > > based on actual > > > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to > > meet one who > > > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers > > out there and > > > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in > > the face of > > > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >~ > > > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > > > >and original thought. > > > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1407 - Release Date: > > > > 30/04/08 11:35 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >~ > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > >and original thought. > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 I am now a bit confused~! I am not sure who is doing the prison work, John, Kathleen or both Please forgive me, I am still willing to help out with the prison donations though for either or both of you. Sorry for any mix up. Love Light and Many Blessings Lori In a message dated 5/1/2008 10:18:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobbi1669 writes: You're welcome. Bobbi ---- John Van Rees <_john@exquisitecrystjohn@ex_ (john) > wrote: > Thanks Bobbi! > > John > > At 08:27 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: > > >I have stayed quiet on this topic, but I would like to say that I > >think you both do a great service to those in prison. > > > >Blessings to you both, > >Bobbi > > > >---- John Van Rees > ><<john%john%<WBR>_john@exquisitecrystjohn@ex_ (john) > wrote: > > > Kathleen, > > > > > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > > > Thought minister > > > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > > > interesting. > > > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > > > one interesting > > > night. > > > > > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a > > Prison Basket to > > > send to you to use. > > > > > > Thanks!!!! > > > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > > > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections > > > >Canada. > > > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > > > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. > > > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > > > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New > > > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from > > > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > > > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious > > > > " services " . > > > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. > > > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally > > > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > > > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically > > > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a > > > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so > > > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more > > > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk > > > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > > > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > > > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, > > > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to > > > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > > > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, > > > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > > > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to > > > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had > > > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! > > > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, > > > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, > > > >heh). > > > > > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends > > > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at > > > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own > > > >use, I assure you! heh) > > > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts > > > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a > > > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue > > > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > > > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > > > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real > > > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting > > > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > > > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry > > > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > > > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone > > > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " > > > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked > > > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > > > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > > > > " my " guys! > > > > > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen > > > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > > > >attention..attention. > > > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - > > > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue > > > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to > > > >help them with. > > > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these > > > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > > > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > > > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > > > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are > > > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > > > ><smile> > > > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > > > > >pinch your toes. > > > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison > > chaplain to > > > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai><<WBR>Cry\ <W<WBR>Crmai><<WBR>Cry<W<WBR>Crmai>_ CrystalHealing-CrystalHeCrystalHealiCry_ ( ) > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai>, John Van Rees > > > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > > > > meet one > > > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets > > hope there is a > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are > > self serving... > > > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > > > > serving as > > > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > > > > > think this > > > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > <<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >><_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) ><_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > <_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisit//www.exqu//w_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) > > > > > > <<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/) >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about > > this, you are > > > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > > prisons and > > > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who > > are not good > > > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion > > based on actual > > > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to > > meet one who > > > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers > > out there and > > > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in > > the face of > > > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >~ > > > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > > > >and original thought. > > > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1407 - Release Date: > > > > 30/04/08 11:35 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >~ > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > >and original thought. > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 You're welcome. Bobbi ---- John Van Rees <john wrote: > Thanks Bobbi! > > John > > At 08:27 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: > > >I have stayed quiet on this topic, but I would like to say that I > >think you both do a great service to those in prison. > > > >Blessings to you both, > >Bobbi > > > >---- John Van Rees > ><<john%40exquisitecrystals.com>john wrote: > > > Kathleen, > > > > > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > > > Thought minister > > > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > > > interesting. > > > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > > > one interesting > > > night. > > > > > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a > > Prison Basket to > > > send to you to use. > > > > > > Thanks!!!! > > > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > > > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of Corrections > > > >Canada. > > > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > > > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. > > > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > > > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan to New > > > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from > > > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > > > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the religious > > > > " services " . > > > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. > > > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally > > > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > > > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - basically > > > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a > > > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so > > > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more > > > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk > > > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > > > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > > > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, > > > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to > > > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > > > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, > > > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > > > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to > > > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had > > > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! > > > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty decent, > > > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively speaking, > > > >heh). > > > > > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends > > > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at > > > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for my own > > > >use, I assure you! heh) > > > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts > > > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a > > > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue > > > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > > > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > > > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real > > > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting > > > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > > > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry > > > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > > > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone > > > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " > > > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked > > > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > > > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > > > > " my " guys! > > > > > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones chosen > > > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > > > >attention... or mine. > > > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - > > > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue > > > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to > > > >help them with. > > > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these > > > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > > > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > > > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > > > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how crystals are > > > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > > > ><smile> > > > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > > > > >pinch your toes. > > > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison > > chaplain to > > > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><CrystalHealing-worksho\ p%40><%40>CrystalHea\ ling-workshop > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, John Van Rees > > > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > > > > meet one > > > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets > > hope there is a > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you said is > > > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done studies? > > > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would have some > > > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are > > self serving... > > > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > > > > serving as > > > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I don't > > > > > > > think this > > > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.\ exquisitecrystals.com > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>><http://www\ ..exquisitecrystals.com><http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecry\ stals.com > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.\ exquisitecrystals.com > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about > > this, you are > > > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > > prisons and > > > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who > > are not good > > > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion > > based on actual > > > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to > > meet one who > > > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers > > out there and > > > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to make up > > > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross examine > > > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in > > the face of > > > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >~ > > > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > > > >and original thought. > > > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Thank you for saying so, Bobbi! <smile> Blessings, Kathleen bobbi1669 wrote: > > I have stayed quiet on this topic, but I would like to say that I > think you both do a great service to those in prison. > > Blessings to you both, > Bobbi > > ---- John Van Rees <john > <john%40exquisitecrystals.com>> wrote: > > Kathleen, > > > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > > Thought minister > > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > > interesting. > > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > > one interesting > > night. > > > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a Prison > Basket to > > send to you to use. > > > > Thanks!!!! > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of > Corrections > > >Canada. > > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per month. > > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from Pagan > to New > > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have regulars from > > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the > religious > > > " services " . > > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, etc. > > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - naturally > > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - > basically > > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it is a > > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble size so > > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered more > > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by the folk > > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn to, > > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are ready to > > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, feathers, > > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't able to > > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that they had > > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get home! > > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty > decent, > > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively > speaking, > > >heh). > > > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever ends > > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My dig at > > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens for > my own > > >use, I assure you! heh) > > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of amounts > > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to enforce a > > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, blue > > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have no real > > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very interesting > > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old jewelry > > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the Stone > > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is " best " > > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most often asked > > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for most of > > > " my " guys! > > > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones > chosen > > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > > >attention... or mine. > > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is *always* - > > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an issue > > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are willing to > > >help them with. > > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that these > > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how > crystals are > > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > > ><smile> > > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > >Kathleen > > > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll only > > > > >pinch your toes. > > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison > chaplain to > > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><CrystalHealing-worksho\ p%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, John Van > Rees > > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I have yet to > > > > meet one > > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets hope > there is a > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it not > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you > said is > > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done > studies? > > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would > have some > > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are self > serving... > > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also am self > > > > serving as > > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to working in > > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I > don't > > > > > > think this > > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>><http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > > > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>> > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com> > > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about > this, you are > > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > prisons and > > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who > are not good > > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion based > on actual > > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to meet > one who > > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers out > there and > > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to > make up > > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on children, the > > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross > examine > > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in the > face of > > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: > > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >~ > > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity > > > > >and original thought. > > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 <smile> I am currently doing prison work, and I think John has done it in the past but isn't currently, although he *is* still a minister - have I got that right, John? I cannot say how touched I am by all of you, and your thoughtful generosity - not just with offers to help, but just plain saying that this is a worthwhile thing to do. I started doing it because someone I loved and respected asked me to help. I kept doing it because I clearly see a need and feel I can fulfill it, and quite frankly, it is very rewarding, as I've said before. But I meet a lot of people with different opinions on the value of the work and recently, a lot of what feedback I've gotten - from strangers no less - is that prisoners are coddled and should be treated like the criminals they are. I don't know why I am drawing that kind of feedback into my life right now, I'm trying to figure it out, but I am very glad to get *your* feedback to counter-balance it. <smile> I was going to write a lot more, but remembered this isn't the place for that soapbox. <smile> Lori, thank you. I will write you off-list with my address. <smile> Blessings, Kathleen ann1673 wrote: > > I am now a bit confused~! I am not sure who is doing the prison work, > John, > Kathleen or both Please forgive me, I am still willing to help out > with > the prison donations though for either or both of you. Sorry for any > mix up. > Love Light and Many Blessings > Lori > > > In a message dated 5/1/2008 10:18:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bobbi1669 <bobbi1669%40zoomtown.com> writes: > > You're welcome. > > Bobbi > > ---- John Van Rees <_john@exquisitecrystjohn@ex_ > (john > <john%40exquisitecrystals.com>) > wrote: > > Thanks Bobbi! > > > > John > > > > At 08:27 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: > > > > >I have stayed quiet on this topic, but I would like to say that I > > >think you both do a great service to those in prison. > > > > > >Blessings to you both, > > >Bobbi > > > > > >---- John Van Rees > > ><<john%john%<WBR>_john@exquisitecrystjohn@ex_ > (john > <john%40exquisitecrystals.com>) > wrote: > > > > Kathleen, > > > > > > > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > > > > Thought minister > > > > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > > > > interesting. > > > > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > > > > one interesting > > > > night. > > > > > > > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a > > > Prison Basket to > > > > send to you to use. > > > > > > > > Thanks!!!! > > > > > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > > > > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of > Corrections > > > > >Canada. > > > > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > > > > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per > month. > > > > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > > > > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from > Pagan to > New > > > > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have > regulars from > > > > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > > > > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the > religious > > > > > " services " . > > > > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, > etc. > > > > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - > naturally > > > > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > > > > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - > basically > > > > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it > is a > > > > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble > size so > > > > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered > more > > > > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by > the folk > > > > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > > > > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > > > > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn > to, > > > > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are > ready to > > > > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > > > > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, > feathers, > > > > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > > > > > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't > able to > > > > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that > they > had > > > > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get > home! > > > > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty > decent, > > > > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively > speaking, > > > > >heh). > > > > > > > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever > ends > > > > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My > dig at > > > > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens > for my > own > > > > >use, I assure you! heh) > > > > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of > amounts > > > > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to > enforce > a > > > > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, > blue > > > > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > > > > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > > > > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have > no real > > > > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very > interesting > > > > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > > > > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old > jewelry > > > > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > > > > > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the > Stone > > > > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is > " best " > > > > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most > often asked > > > > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > > > > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for > most of > > > > > " my " guys! > > > > > > > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones > chosen > > > > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > > > > >attention..attention. > > > > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is > *always* - > > > > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an > issue > > > > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are > willing to > > > > >help them with. > > > > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that > these > > > > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > > > > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > > > > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > > > > > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how > crystals > are > > > > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > > > > ><smile> > > > > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll > only > > > > > > >pinch your toes. > > > > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison > > > chaplain to > > > > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai><<WBR>Cry\ <W<WBR>Crmai><<WBR>Cry<W<WBR>Crmai>_ > CrystalHealing-CrystalHeCrystalHealiCry_ > ( > <%40>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai>, John > Van > Rees > > > > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I > have yet > to > > > > > > meet one > > > > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets > > > hope there is a > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it > not > > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you > said is > > > > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done > studies? > > > > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would > have > some > > > > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are > > > self serving... > > > > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also > am self > > > > > > serving as > > > > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to > working in > > > > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I > don't > > > > > > > > think this > > > > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > >><_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > ><_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > >_http://www.exquisit//www.exqu//w_ > <http://www.exquisit//www.exqu//w_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > > > > > > > <<_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > >_http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> (http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about > > > this, you are > > > > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > > > prisons and > > > > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who > > > are not good > > > > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion > > > based on actual > > > > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to > > > meet one who > > > > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers > > > out there and > > > > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to > make up > > > > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on > children, the > > > > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross > examine > > > > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in > > > the face of > > > > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release > Date: > > > > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > >~ > > > > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage > creativity > > > > > > >and original thought. > > > > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 At 09:26 AM 5/2/2008, you wrote: ><smile> >I am currently doing prison work, and I think John has done it in the >past but isn't currently, although he *is* still a minister - have I got >that right, John? Correct... I must say when I did my work at the prison I did go home at night. :-) John >I cannot say how touched I am by all of you, and your thoughtful >generosity - not just with offers to help, but just plain saying that >this is a worthwhile thing to do. >I started doing it because someone I loved and respected asked me to >help. I kept doing it because I clearly see a need and feel I can >fulfill it, and quite frankly, it is very rewarding, as I've said before. >But I meet a lot of people with different opinions on the value of the >work and recently, a lot of what feedback I've gotten - from strangers >no less - is that prisoners are coddled and should be treated like the >criminals they are. >I don't know why I am drawing that kind of feedback into my life right >now, I'm trying to figure it out, but I am very glad to get *your* >feedback to counter-balance it. ><smile> > >I was going to write a lot more, but remembered this isn't the place for >that soapbox. ><smile> > >Lori, thank you. >I will write you off-list with my address. ><smile> > >Blessings, >Kathleen > ><ann1673%40aol.com>ann1673 wrote: > > > > I am now a bit confused~! I am not sure who is doing the prison work, > > John, > > Kathleen or both Please forgive me, I am still willing to help out > > with > > the prison donations though for either or both of you. Sorry for any > > mix up. > > Love Light and Many Blessings > > Lori > > > > > > In a message dated 5/1/2008 10:18:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > <bobbi1669%40zoomtown.com>bobbi1669 > <bobbi1669%40zoomtown.com> writes: > > > > You're welcome. > > > > Bobbi > > > > ---- John Van Rees <_john@exquisitecrystjohn@ex_ > > (<john%40exquisitecrystals.com>john > > <john%40exquisitecrystals.com>) > wrote: > > > Thanks Bobbi! > > > > > > John > > > > > > At 08:27 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > >I have stayed quiet on this topic, but I would like to say that I > > > >think you both do a great service to those in prison. > > > > > > > >Blessings to you both, > > > >Bobbi > > > > > > > >---- John Van Rees > > > ><<john%john%<WBR>_john@exquisitecrystjohn@ex_ > > (<john%40exquisitecrystals.com>john > > <john%40exquisitecrystals.com>) > wrote: > > > > > Kathleen, > > > > > > > > > > This is great!!! It is so cool to do that kind or work. I am a New > > > > > Thought minister > > > > > and had all sorts come to my classes.. and once a Satanist. That was > > > > > interesting. > > > > > I always taught that any path was better than no path.. and that was > > > > > one interesting > > > > > night. > > > > > > > > > > Please send me your shipping address. I will start making a > > > > Prison Basket to > > > > > send to you to use. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks!!!! > > > > > > > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Well... I will try to keep it on topic, heh > > > > > >I am the contracted Wicca Chaplain for the Pacific Region of > > Corrections > > > > > >Canada. > > > > > >I visit the institutions in my region that request a Wiccan > > > > > >representative, currently that's six different institutions per > > month. > > > > > >Although I am labeled in the system as Wiccan, I am basically the > > > > > >catch-all chaplain for alternative faiths - everything from > > Pagan to > > New > > > > > >Age spirituality, and points in between... we even have > > regulars from > > > > > >other Paths, Buddhists and Native Spirituality, but sometimes some > > > > > >open-minded Christians and Muslims drop in, though not for the > > religious > > > > > > " services " . > > > > > >At each visit we hold Circle, do ritual, discuss pertinent topics, > > etc. > > > > > >There are very stringent rules on what is allowed in prison - > > naturally > > > > > >- but one of the things I've managed to maintain is the " Rock Bag " . > > > > > >This is a special bag I've made that opens into a bowl shape - > > basically > > > > > >a circle with a draw string closure around the perimeter. In it > > is a > > > > > >collection of crystals and stones, few ever larger than pebble > > size so > > > > > >as to meet security standards. I've bought a lot of them, gathered > > more > > > > > >on my daily walks, been given some too, and had some added by > > the folk > > > > > >in there too that they have found or have " outgrown " . > > > > > >The bag is passed around the circle at each visit and if there is > > > > > >something (or more than one something) that the person feels drawn > > to, > > > > > >they are free to take it, and if they have something they are > > ready to > > > > > >pass on, they drop it in the bag. > > > > > >It started out as rocks, but has grown to include seashells, > > feathers, > > > > > >bits of wood, seeds, all sorts of bitty stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > >The rock bag has become a favourite, on the few times I wasn't > > able to > > > > > >take it in for some reason, I've had people give me items that > > they > > had > > > > > >brought to put into the bag, so that I can put them in when I get > > home! > > > > > >I also take in Judy Hall's 'Crystal Bible' - because it's pretty > > decent, > > > > > >has great pics, and is small and *light-weight* (comparatively > > speaking, > > > > > >heh). > > > > > > > > > > > >Buying stones for these guys can get pretty expensive, so whatever > > ends > > > > > >up in the bag is what the Universe sends me, pretty much. (My > > dig at > > > > > >rock sellers wasn't just 'cause I can't afford some specimens > > for my > > own > > > > > >use, I assure you! heh) > > > > > >I have been gifted (or given whole-sale pricing, which sort of > > amounts > > > > > >to the same thing) itty bitty Tibetan quartz points (I had to > > enforce > > a > > > > > >limit on those ones, heh) rose quartz, itty bitty kyanite slivers, > > blue > > > > > >chalcedony, smoky quartz and a fair bit of agate. > > > > > >My own funds are limited, so sometimes the bag gets pretty lean and > > > > > >donations are always gratefully received -- these people have > > no real > > > > > >access to obtaining them any other way... I think it's very > > interesting > > > > > >what the Universe deems necessary - or, if you will, which stones > > > > > >*choose* - to go into prison. I scour 2nd hand stores for old > > jewelry > > > > > >and such, amazing what comes to me sometimes! > > > > > > > > > > > >I have learned to take what is offered and bow to the will of the > > Stone > > > > > >People rather than search out specifically for what *I* think is > > " best " > > > > > >-- although, it was in a quest for quartz points (the most > > often asked > > > > > >for stone) that I was led to a shop that practically gave me enough > > > > > >Tibetan points, each no bigger than my baby finger nail, for > > most of > > > > > > " my " guys! > > > > > > > > > > > >Part of each visit is discussing the stones, sometimes the stones > > chosen > > > > > >and sometimes a stone from the book or otherwise come to their > > > > > >attention..attention. > > > > > >It's interesting, because the information that surfaces is > > *always* - > > > > > >never failed - needed by at least one person there, they have an > > issue > > > > > >they are working on or a problem that the Stone People are > > willing to > > > > > >help them with. > > > > > >Sometimes we will do psychometry with a specific stone, so that > > these > > > > > >people are able to open their senses to the different energies. > > > > > >And, when the rock bag is making it's rounds... the energies in the > > > > > >group are almost guaranteed to be... at ease. > > > > > > > > > > > >So there ya go... a bit about my 'work' and a bit about how > > crystals > > are > > > > > >making their way to people who need, benefit from their company. > > > > > ><smile> > > > > > >Only kinda sideways off-topic for this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > > >John Van Rees wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell us more Kathleen...please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Blessings, > > > > > > > >Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >PS - John, if the shoe doesn't fit don't try to wear it, it'll > > only > > > > > > > >pinch your toes. > > > > > > > >- but I do understand where you are coming from, one prison > > > > chaplain to > > > > > > > >another... though possibly different faiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >susan roberts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai><<WBR>Cry\ <W<WBR>Crmai><<WBR>Cry<W<WBR>Crmai>_ > > CrystalHealing-CrystalHeCrystalHealiCry_ > > > (<%40>CrystalHealing-worksho\ p > > > <%40>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CrystalHealCrystaCrystalmai>, John > > Van > > Rees > > > > > > > > > <john wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would absolutely believe he was a pastor! I > > have yet > > to > > > > > > > meet one > > > > > > > > > > > > >that wasn't self serving in some respect. lets > > > > hope there is a > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > >welcome for errant pastors when they reach the pearly > > > > > > > gates. lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you haven't met me. I am offended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees> >hi john, > > > > > > > > > > >no offence intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, just because you meant no offence, doesn't make it > > not > > > > > > > offensive. > > > > > > > > > > But how could you say you meant no offence when what you > > said is > > > > > > > > > > extremely offensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just giving an informed opinion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how Susan is this opinion " informed " . Have you done > > studies? > > > > > > > > > > An opinion is one thing.. and " informed opinion " would > > have > > some > > > > > > > > > > sort of studied basis on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no need to > > > > > > > > > > >take it personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? Are you kidding me? You say all ministers are > > > > self serving... > > > > > > > > > > and since I am a minister you are saying that I also > > am self > > > > > > > serving as > > > > > > > > > > a minister. Susan.. I gave 3 years of my life to > > working in > > > > > > > Prisons as a > > > > > > > > > > Volunteer-- teaching Meditation and Spiritual Practice. I > > don't > > > > > > > > > think this > > > > > > > > > > was self serving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you must know yourself that not all pastors or > > > > > > > > > > >religious figures are neccessarily good people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Susan you must know that all ministers are not bad > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In gratitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Van Rees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >_<http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >_<http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >_<http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >_<http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > > > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com > / <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >_<http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >_<http://www.exquisit//www.exqu//w_>http://www.exquisit//www.exqu//w_ > > <http://www.exquisit//www.exqu//w_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) > > >_<http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_>http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_ > > <http://www.exquisithttp://wwwhtt_> > (<http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/ > > <http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/>) >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear me john you are getting yourself in a lather about > > > > this, you are > > > > > > > > > vociferous in your defense and no doubt did a good job in > > > > prisons and > > > > > > > > > daily life, but why are you so worked up about others who > > > > are not good > > > > > > > > > people?I have a forceful and valid, informed opinion > > > > based on actual > > > > > > > > > experience which i am not about to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say all ministers are bad, I said I have yet to > > > > meet one who > > > > > > > > > wasn't self serving.I guess there must be good ministers > > > > out there and > > > > > > > > > thats a brilliant because hopefully they will go someway to > > make up > > > > > > > > > for those who use a position of trust to prey on > > children, the > > > > > > > > > vulnerable and the weak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a minister I find your attitude offensive, do you cross > > examine > > > > > > > > > everyone that has an opinion different to yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am deeply saddened that you should be so aggressive in > > > > the face of > > > > > > > > > someone who has an opinion based on fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This subject is no longer up for discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release > > Date: > > > > > > > > 29/04/08 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >~ > > > > > > > >The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage > > creativity > > > > > > > >and original thought. > > > > > > > >- Lady Dionne > > > > > > > >~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Hi Kathleen. After being locked up in county jail over 10 years ago, for two months (over a fist fight that ended without even a black eye to the victom), I had the opportunity to meet a lot of different people from very different backgrounds. Some came from half way around the world. I don't dwell on this experience because, bottom line, I was guilty. I've always viewed it as a learning experience. Maybe even as a lesson I seriously needed to open my eyes to things happening in my life now. However, the fact that they are locked up, whether they are inocent or not, means they have already lost about 85 % of their rights as a human beeing. Nuff said about that debate from me. But, there is still one thing that is a constant: they're all still humans who still have some basic, universal human rights. Even the inmates who gave me problems or, went into my cell and stoled my personal belongings that were gifts from family. I'm very sorry for the negative feedback you recieved from some very lost, confused and all around uninformed individuals. I can tell you, not only from personal beliefs, but from personal experience, that those people are talking out their butt holes. Please don't let them get to you. Bless you for the work you do and keep it up. The world neends more people like you. Take care Ray , Dragonswife <dragonswife wrote: > > <smile> > I am currently doing prison work, and I think John has done it in the > past but isn't currently, although he *is* still a minister - have I got > that right, John? > > I cannot say how touched I am by all of you, and your thoughtful > generosity - not just with offers to help, but just plain saying that > this is a worthwhile thing to do. > I started doing it because someone I loved and respected asked me to > help. I kept doing it because I clearly see a need and feel I can > fulfill it, and quite frankly, it is very rewarding, as I've said before. > But I meet a lot of people with different opinions on the value of the > work and recently, a lot of what feedback I've gotten - from strangers > no less - is that prisoners are coddled and should be treated like the > criminals they are. > I don't know why I am drawing that kind of feedback into my life right > now, I'm trying to figure it out, but I am very glad to get *your* > feedback to counter-balance it. > <smile> > > I was going to write a lot more, but remembered this isn't the place for > that soapbox. > <smile> > > Lori, thank you. > I will write you off-list with my address. > <smile> > > Blessings, > Kathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Hi Ray, Thank you for the vote of confidence, I appreciate it! I know that what I am doing in prison is worthwhile and benefits a lot of people besides myself and the people I come in direct contact with, but some people are judgmental and I think that's born out of fear, a lot of times. I think that there isn't a soul that enters prison that isn't 'damaged goods' to one extent or another, and that if we want a healthy society someone has to help them heal, or heal themselves, rather. Maybe the reason I've been getting all that negative feedback is so that I will remember that there are hurt and damaged people on this side of the bars too. Anyhow, thank you for sharing, and for your support. I appreciate it. Blessing of Joy, Kathleen Ray wrote: > > Hi Kathleen. > > After being locked up in county jail over 10 years ago, for two > months (over a fist fight that ended without even a black eye to the > victom), I had the opportunity to meet a lot of different people from > very different backgrounds. Some came from half way around the world. > I don't dwell on this experience because, bottom line, I was guilty. > I've always viewed it as a learning experience. Maybe even as a > lesson I seriously needed to open my eyes to things happening in my > life now. > > However, the fact that they are locked up, whether they are inocent > or not, means they have already lost about 85 % of their rights as a > human beeing. Nuff said about that debate from me. But, there is > still one thing that is a constant: they're all still humans who > still have some basic, universal human rights. Even the inmates who > gave me problems or, went into my cell and stoled my personal > belongings that were gifts from family. > > I'm very sorry for the negative feedback you recieved from some very > lost, confused and all around uninformed individuals. I can tell you, > not only from personal beliefs, but from personal experience, that > those people are talking out their butt holes. Please don't let them > get to you. Bless you for the work you do and keep it up. The world > neends more people like you. > > Take care > > Ray > > > <%40>, Dragonswife > <dragonswife wrote: > > > > <smile> > > I am currently doing prison work, and I think John has done it in > the > > past but isn't currently, although he *is* still a minister - have > I got > > that right, John? > > > > I cannot say how touched I am by all of you, and your thoughtful > > generosity - not just with offers to help, but just plain saying > that > > this is a worthwhile thing to do. > > I started doing it because someone I loved and respected asked me > to > > help. I kept doing it because I clearly see a need and feel I can > > fulfill it, and quite frankly, it is very rewarding, as I've said > before. > > But I meet a lot of people with different opinions on the value of > the > > work and recently, a lot of what feedback I've gotten - from > strangers > > no less - is that prisoners are coddled and should be treated like > the > > criminals they are. > > I don't know why I am drawing that kind of feedback into my life > right > > now, I'm trying to figure it out, but I am very glad to get *your* > > feedback to counter-balance it. > > <smile> > > > > I was going to write a lot more, but remembered this isn't the > place for > > that soapbox. > > <smile> > > > > Lori, thank you. > > I will write you off-list with my address. > > <smile> > > > > Blessings, > > Kathleen > > > ------ > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release 03/05/08 11:22 AM > -- ~ The most subversive act you can commit is to encourage creativity and original thought. - Lady Dionne ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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