Karma, Free will, Spiritual healing and taking on Karma

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Karma, Free will, Spiritual healing and " taking on Karma "

 

Karma means cause and effect. We talk about good and bad Karma but Karma

is basically neutral. The " law of karma " is sort of like the energy and

spiritual equivalent of Newton's third law. Every action has an equal an

opposite reaction. The lessons or effects are not Divinely appointed.

Karma is more of a mechanical process than a willed process from the

divine perspective. Many effects of one own actions are self chosen and

directed from an individual perspective.

 

People will often have a sense of " sin " long after the actual action

reaction is balanced. We are all at essence enlightened or in union a

spark of the divine flame Karma, Dharma and the playing out of destinies

such are not linear ridged processes.

 

When you have and we all do have the ability to alleviate karma and

suffering then it is our mission to do so. That action is one way that

we transform our own negative patterns to positive. Words are not

adequate to explain what is something that must be realized directly

rather than learned by Rote.We as mundane unenlightened beings are like

people hacking their way step by step through the jungle.

We as our higher selves are in touch with our own divine essence. We can

see from above the jungle. From that vantage can see the shortcuts and

trails through the jungles. We can guide ourselves and others more

directly to the goal or treasure, plan for obstacles and avoid traps. We

can free ourselves and others from wandering in circles over the same

ground repeatedly. This is alleviating karma. Yes there are times when

some one will not heed you and they will continue on their way until

they can learn the lesson or accept the help they need. Learning to

accept help as well as learning to offer help and compassion are two of

the major experiences of realization that we must have for personal

fulfillment.

 

Free will, Spiritual healing and " taking on Karma "

 

One of the most frequent cautions you will encounter when doing any

spiritual healing is that you must not interfere in someones free will

or you may take on their negative karma.

 

How can you tell the difference between a situation where you must not

interfere with another's Karma and a situation that has come before you

because it is an opportunity or mission for you to expiate some of your

own negative karma and advance your spiritual evolution? In Huna and in

some Buddhist teachings the teaching is that are only aware of

any problem or situation because it is in some way part of our own

situation, issues and or karma.

Have you ever felt that this warning served as a sop to excuse

unkindness and other un compassionate behavior?

 

Whether you practice crystal healing or energy work or some other form

you need to have and follow ethical practices. One cannot and should not

try to force healing. One should not make try to convert or force

a change in another by coercive energy work or prayer. We cannot be

" Rescuers " .

 

When we feel an intuitive prompting to offer energy or a kind thought or

even physical or financial assistance in some situations. Do we really

believe that it is uniformly wrong to act on that intuition? First off

How do we know that the illness, unhappiness or what ever condition is

not cause by someones ( or our own) interference in the free will of

the individual already? How do we know that it is even possible for us

too interfere with someone's free will ? While it is true that most

people are about as well as they intend to be They can choose to become

healed , to accept help or to refuse it.

 

Many People believe that unless you have specific permission to send

energy from the intended recipient you should never do anything. Not

even mention a possibility. Do we really believe would cause harm to be

compassionate or even just mention a possible beneficial path? Do we

think that A kind wish, a hope for the highest good or the offer of

energy will really cause harm to ourselves or to others? I believe that

people who need to deal with their own issues will do so.

 

 

I believe that we are all interconnected. There are some situations

where we must stand back and others where we must take action even

without a specific request to do so. If you see someone about to throw

themselves out a high window and you can stop them ( without harm to

yourself) you should do so.

Certainly I think that we would take on negative Karma were we to refuse

to do good when we could have just because of fear of impacting karma.

Certainly many of us have issues with compassion and with mercy we may

have issues with accepting help.

 

I think that we have chosen to be born for a reason. We have missions as

well as lessons to learn . When ever someone tells me that we are not to

offer help in any way because that could interfere with another persons

Karma My BS warning detectors have always gone off . Yes, there have

been times when I have received a strong intuitive guidance

to " back off " or " stay out " and have followed that. Other times My

intuition has been to act and I have done so. Sometimes the energy or

offer is refused sometimes it has been accepted but In either case I

strongly feel that the offer and the energy or well wishing has never

done harm.

 

Peggy Jentoft

 

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Peggy

 

Very well put, I will be printing this for reference for others to read. Yet

I have one question for you. I personally belief in what you are saying in not

being able to take on anothers Karma when we have been quided not to do so.

 

My question- I know a Indian Hindu who is an Aryuveda educator (he also has

many other spritiual healing modalities as well) but in a class recently some

one asked him about healing someone who either their spirit guide or their own

spirit guide as said that it that person is not to be " healed " - maybe even you

have not been given persmission by the guides to do so - but this Educator said

that due to his Aryuvedic training that they take on the negative Karma. IS

this an exception to the rule (if you answered this in below then I didn't

connect it)

 

I disagree as I feel you may help this person in this life time - but that

their Karma in another life time would be greater as they would have to still

learn the lesson they are having to learn and that their Karma would be greater

the next time around since they didn't take responsbility in this life time?

Is this correct or am I way off base here?

 

Thank you for replying to this as this has been bugging me for a while now!

 

Rebecca

 

skygreen <skygreen wrote:

 

Karma, Free will, Spiritual healing and " taking on Karma "

 

Karma means cause and effect. We talk about good and bad Karma but Karma

is basically neutral. The " law of karma " is sort of like the energy and

spiritual equivalent of Newton's third law. Every action has an equal an

opposite reaction. The lessons or effects are not Divinely appointed.

Karma is more of a mechanical process than a willed process from the

divine perspective. Many effects of one own actions are self chosen and

directed from an individual perspective.

 

People will often have a sense of " sin " long after the actual action

reaction is balanced. We are all at essence enlightened or in union a

spark of the divine flame Karma, Dharma and the playing out of destinies

such are not linear ridged processes.

 

When you have and we all do have the ability to alleviate karma and

suffering then it is our mission to do so. That action is one way that

we transform our own negative patterns to positive. Words are not

adequate to explain what is something that must be realized directly

rather than learned by Rote.We as mundane unenlightened beings are like

people hacking their way step by step through the jungle.

We as our higher selves are in touch with our own divine essence. We can

see from above the jungle. From that vantage can see the shortcuts and

trails through the jungles. We can guide ourselves and others more

directly to the goal or treasure, plan for obstacles and avoid traps. We

can free ourselves and others from wandering in circles over the same

ground repeatedly. This is alleviating karma. Yes there are times when

some one will not heed you and they will continue on their way until

they can learn the lesson or accept the help they need. Learning to

accept help as well as learning to offer help and compassion are two of

the major experiences of realization that we must have for personal

fulfillment.

 

Free will, Spiritual healing and " taking on Karma "

 

One of the most frequent cautions you will encounter when doing any

spiritual healing is that you must not interfere in someones free will

or you may take on their negative karma.

 

How can you tell the difference between a situation where you must not

interfere with another's Karma and a situation that has come before you

because it is an opportunity or mission for you to expiate some of your

own negative karma and advance your spiritual evolution? In Huna and in

some Buddhist teachings the teaching is that are only aware of

any problem or situation because it is in some way part of our own

situation, issues and or karma.

Have you ever felt that this warning served as a sop to excuse

unkindness and other un compassionate behavior?

 

Whether you practice crystal healing or energy work or some other form

you need to have and follow ethical practices. One cannot and should not

try to force healing. One should not make try to convert or force

a change in another by coercive energy work or prayer. We cannot be

" Rescuers " .

 

When we feel an intuitive prompting to offer energy or a kind thought or

even physical or financial assistance in some situations. Do we really

believe that it is uniformly wrong to act on that intuition? First off

How do we know that the illness, unhappiness or what ever condition is

not cause by someones ( or our own) interference in the free will of

the individual already? How do we know that it is even possible for us

too interfere with someone's free will ? While it is true that most

people are about as well as they intend to be They can choose to become

healed , to accept help or to refuse it.

 

Many People believe that unless you have specific permission to send

energy from the intended recipient you should never do anything. Not

even mention a possibility. Do we really believe would cause harm to be

compassionate or even just mention a possible beneficial path? Do we

think that A kind wish, a hope for the highest good or the offer of

energy will really cause harm to ourselves or to others? I believe that

people who need to deal with their own issues will do so.

 

I believe that we are all interconnected. There are some situations

where we must stand back and others where we must take action even

without a specific request to do so. If you see someone about to throw

themselves out a high window and you can stop them ( without harm to

yourself) you should do so.

Certainly I think that we would take on negative Karma were we to refuse

to do good when we could have just because of fear of impacting karma.

Certainly many of us have issues with compassion and with mercy we may

have issues with accepting help.

 

I think that we have chosen to be born for a reason. We have missions as

well as lessons to learn . When ever someone tells me that we are not to

offer help in any way because that could interfere with another persons

Karma My BS warning detectors have always gone off . Yes, there have

been times when I have received a strong intuitive guidance

to " back off " or " stay out " and have followed that. Other times My

intuition has been to act and I have done so. Sometimes the energy or

offer is refused sometimes it has been accepted but In either case I

strongly feel that the offer and the energy or well wishing has never

done harm.

 

Peggy Jentoft

 

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, skygreen

<skygreen

 

WOW Peggy!

 

That was deep. And, in my opinion, a lot of that is very true.

Although I don't agree with every single word, most of this post is

exactally what I believe as well.

 

Whether you've been gifted with the ability to heal, or you've

learned the skills of healing, no matter what techniques or system,

if you're called to be a healer, then yes you do have to make

important choices. However, I also believe that we can't go around

the rest of our lives being paranoid that it's going to do harm to at

least ask if we can help. The fact that we are in a situation to see

something is wrong may or may not be karma or divine intervention

but, who are we to decide to take away the oportunity to help

somebody who may really need it?

 

As I said, these are just my beleifs and, I'm not going to push them

on anybody. But, if you practice healing and are going to pick and

chose the people you help based on pure logic or some obscure beleif

system that has yet to be proven, rather than trusting your

instincts, then isn't it possible you are creating bad karma for

yourself? Part of being a healer is to do no harm. But, what if you

do harm by avoiding situations where you could've done good and

somebody ends up worse off?

 

I'm sorry folks but, I see that as " bad medicine " . And, if that's how

you are going to practice healing, then you might as well hang up

your perverbial lab coat. But please, do not take this as a mean

spirited dig on any one religion or personal belief system. This is

just how I feel about it.

 

Take Care

 

Ray

 

 

When ever someone tells me that we are not to

> offer help in any way because that could interfere with another

persons

> Karma My BS warning detectors have always gone off . Yes, there

have

> been times when I have received a strong intuitive guidance

> to " back off " or " stay out " and have followed that. Other times

My

> intuition has been to act and I have done so. Sometimes the energy

or

> offer is refused sometimes it has been accepted but In either case

I

> strongly feel that the offer and the energy or well wishing has

never

> done harm.

>

> Peggy Jentoft

>

> --

> Solarraven http://pjentoft.com/index.html

> Spiritual Healing, Energy work, Reiki, Crystal Healing, Angels,

Huna, skills for the practical mystic , Digital Art

>

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Hi All,

 

Good discussion.

 

All are right in their opinion.

 

Karma is the word from Sanskrit and it simply means the Emotional attachment

to memories. These memories need not be in your conscious level. Normally we

can get rid of the attachment to the conscious memories in the current

lifetime itself. Unless you got a master or a guide who can point out the

hidden attachments, by yourselves you cannot get rid of it and then will be

carried with you for your next birth. The nature, the masters, the healers,

all are meant to help a person to come out of his Karma. It is

the requirement of nature to make a person to Mukti (ultimate freedom). That

is why compassion is given to all of us. We need to use it whenever we get

a chance. That makes us expand (expansion is freedom). That is the way we

can get rid of any Karma unknown left with us.

 

There is nothing called negative Karma and positive. Who can fix the base

line to segregate it? Too much attachment to anything (it can be called

Craving) can lead to Emotional bonding that need to be corrected.

 

With Love and Compassion

 

Suman Sreedharan

Reiki Master , Crystal Healer and Disciple of Swami Santhi Prasad

School Of Santhi

Kerala, India

www.schoolofsanthi.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 3/5/08, jane doe <divinetrinitywellness wrote:

>

> Peggy

>

> Very well put, I will be printing this for reference for others to read.

> Yet I have one question for you. I personally belief in what you are saying

> in not being able to take on anothers Karma when we have been quided not to

> do so.

>

> My question- I know a Indian Hindu who is an Aryuveda educator (he also

> has many other spritiual healing modalities as well) but in a class recently

> some one asked him about healing someone who either their spirit guide or

> their own spirit guide as said that it that person is not to be " healed " -

> maybe even you have not been given persmission by the guides to do so - but

> this Educator said that due to his Aryuvedic training that they take on the

> negative Karma. IS this an exception to the rule (if you answered this in

> below then I didn't connect it)

>

> I disagree as I feel you may help this person in this life time - but that

> their Karma in another life time would be greater as they would have to

> still learn the lesson they are having to learn and that their Karma would

> be greater the next time around since they didn't take responsbility in this

> life time? Is this correct or am I way off base here?

>

> Thank you for replying to this as this has been bugging me for a while

> now!

>

> Rebecca

>

> skygreen <skygreen <skygreen%40ca.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> Karma, Free will, Spiritual healing and " taking on Karma "

>

> Karma means cause and effect. We talk about good and bad Karma but Karma

> is basically neutral. The " law of karma " is sort of like the energy and

> spiritual equivalent of Newton's third law. Every action has an equal an

> opposite reaction. The lessons or effects are not Divinely appointed.

> Karma is more of a mechanical process than a willed process from the

> divine perspective. Many effects of one own actions are self chosen and

> directed from an individual perspective.

>

> People will often have a sense of " sin " long after the actual action

> reaction is balanced. We are all at essence enlightened or in union a

> spark of the divine flame Karma, Dharma and the playing out of destinies

> such are not linear ridged processes.

>

> When you have and we all do have the ability to alleviate karma and

> suffering then it is our mission to do so. That action is one way that

> we transform our own negative patterns to positive. Words are not

> adequate to explain what is something that must be realized directly

> rather than learned by Rote.We as mundane unenlightened beings are like

> people hacking their way step by step through the jungle.

> We as our higher selves are in touch with our own divine essence. We can

> see from above the jungle. From that vantage can see the shortcuts and

> trails through the jungles. We can guide ourselves and others more

> directly to the goal or treasure, plan for obstacles and avoid traps. We

> can free ourselves and others from wandering in circles over the same

> ground repeatedly. This is alleviating karma. Yes there are times when

> some one will not heed you and they will continue on their way until

> they can learn the lesson or accept the help they need. Learning to

> accept help as well as learning to offer help and compassion are two of

> the major experiences of realization that we must have for personal

> fulfillment.

>

> Free will, Spiritual healing and " taking on Karma "

>

> One of the most frequent cautions you will encounter when doing any

> spiritual healing is that you must not interfere in someones free will

> or you may take on their negative karma.

>

> How can you tell the difference between a situation where you must not

> interfere with another's Karma and a situation that has come before you

> because it is an opportunity or mission for you to expiate some of your

> own negative karma and advance your spiritual evolution? In Huna and in

> some Buddhist teachings the teaching is that are only aware of

> any problem or situation because it is in some way part of our own

> situation, issues and or karma.

> Have you ever felt that this warning served as a sop to excuse

> unkindness and other un compassionate behavior?

>

> Whether you practice crystal healing or energy work or some other form

> you need to have and follow ethical practices. One cannot and should not

> try to force healing. One should not make try to convert or force

> a change in another by coercive energy work or prayer. We cannot be

> " Rescuers " .

>

> When we feel an intuitive prompting to offer energy or a kind thought or

> even physical or financial assistance in some situations. Do we really

> believe that it is uniformly wrong to act on that intuition? First off

> How do we know that the illness, unhappiness or what ever condition is

> not cause by someones ( or our own) interference in the free will of

> the individual already? How do we know that it is even possible for us

> too interfere with someone's free will ? While it is true that most

> people are about as well as they intend to be They can choose to become

> healed , to accept help or to refuse it.

>

> Many People believe that unless you have specific permission to send

> energy from the intended recipient you should never do anything. Not

> even mention a possibility. Do we really believe would cause harm to be

> compassionate or even just mention a possible beneficial path? Do we

> think that A kind wish, a hope for the highest good or the offer of

> energy will really cause harm to ourselves or to others? I believe that

> people who need to deal with their own issues will do so.

>

> I believe that we are all interconnected. There are some situations

> where we must stand back and others where we must take action even

> without a specific request to do so. If you see someone about to throw

> themselves out a high window and you can stop them ( without harm to

> yourself) you should do so.

> Certainly I think that we would take on negative Karma were we to refuse

> to do good when we could have just because of fear of impacting karma.

> Certainly many of us have issues with compassion and with mercy we may

> have issues with accepting help.

>

> I think that we have chosen to be born for a reason. We have missions as

> well as lessons to learn . When ever someone tells me that we are not to

> offer help in any way because that could interfere with another persons

> Karma My BS warning detectors have always gone off . Yes, there have

> been times when I have received a strong intuitive guidance

> to " back off " or " stay out " and have followed that. Other times My

> intuition has been to act and I have done so. Sometimes the energy or

> offer is refused sometimes it has been accepted but In either case I

> strongly feel that the offer and the energy or well wishing has never

> done harm.

>

> Peggy Jentoft

>

> --

> Solarraven http://pjentoft.com/index.html

> Spiritual Healing, Energy work, Reiki, Crystal Healing, Angels, Huna,

> skills for the practical mystic , Digital Art

>

>

> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>

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