Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Attilio - try almost anything written by Claude Larre and Elisabeth Rochat de la Vallee, published by Monkey Press in UK, but particularly their books on the individual organ systems (eg " Kidney " , " Lung " , etc) and 'The Secret Treatise of the Spiritual Orchid'. If you are not familiar with their work, they are scholars of Chinese and China, with something like 80 years experience of translating and analysing between them. Each Zang is home to a spirit, which is integral to the human. that is, we are bodymindspirit, not body and mind and spirit. Therefore, understanding the evolution of spirit from the Dao is crucial to using our medicine - IMHO. Karen wrote: > Hi Dr Holmes, > > Thank you for your post. It was very informative. > > Do you have any more info the relationship between the Zangfu in > relation to the spirits? How they interact and so? > > Attilio > > " dr. k " <aryaone@e...> wrote: > > Attilio: > > Could you please explain more about the relationship between the > > gate of po, corporeal soul, etc, as i'm very interested in this. > > > > > > > > Matsumoto, following her teacher Master Nagano et al, has > developed a > > protocol for > > diagnosing Immune Reflex, which once ameliorated, allows the body > to heal > > and stay > > in good health. > > > > This reflex revolves around finding a tender area at TW 16 and > another one > > at > > Evil Wind, a cun antero-inferior on the posterior border of the > SCM at its > > origin. > > > > The way to release this is by palpating " gummy " areas around the > Japanese LI > > 11 > > and LI 10 for good measure, so the tenderness is released. Oddly, > these > > areas are > > at the top of the, or the entryway to, the neck, wherein the > breath arrives. > > > > OK. The Gate of Po is at the other end, at the outlet orifice to > LI, leads > > one to, somewhat > > proximally, the ileo-cecal junction, which has the largest > collection of > > lymphatic > > vessels in the body around it, to deal with any pathogen which > might reflux > > back inspite of the i-c valve and the gradient of flux downstream. > > > > Man and woman are therefore so much tissue strung around a nasal- > anal axis > > [my comment, Matsumoto does not countenance the profane]. > > > > Working the LI points releases stagnation in this ileo-cecal area, > bringing > > about a > > free flow of the immune bodies. > > > > Gate of Po equates to the corporeal soul because it is oriented to > Metal, > > and > > the humanoid fetus becomes human with the first breath, and with > the last, > > mantelpiece decoration. > > > > Throw in a Nan-Ching passage which relates tenderness in R > paraumbilical > > region with a LU disorder, and the L, with LIV, and one gets more > > affirmation. > > > > In Indian lore, the really uncivilized kind, th best, when a person > > defecates at > > death, a rebirth is sure to follow. Which does nor sound pleasant. > > > > By extension, if the 'jeeva', breath, leaves by other venues, other > > destinations > > follow. The best is when the skull, I am not making this up, > splits, and one > > ends > > up in Guru Valhall. > > > > Which to me is dreadful, because there is not one pub in sight, > and all the > > pretty > > ankles are in robes, and you have more Gurus than you are likely > to be able > > to > > digest. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video for acupuncture > recertification. NCCAOM > > reviewed. Also CA NM AZ MA and most states. $ 299 all 50 states in > US. S & H > > and tax included. > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, > religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or > none, visit the groups' homepage: > Chinese Medicine/ click > 'edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. > > To send an email to > <Chinese Medicine- > from the > email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but > will still recieve messages for a few days. > > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Hi Karen, Thanks for the info, sounds very interesting. I also agree that understanding the spirits amongst the Zangfu is vital in understanding disease. Attilio Karen <tryfan@o...> wrote: > Attilio - try almost anything written by Claude Larre and Elisabeth > Rochat de la Vallee, published by Monkey Press in UK, but particularly > their books on the individual organ systems (eg " Kidney " , " Lung " , etc) > and 'The Secret Treatise of the Spiritual Orchid'. If you are not > familiar with their work, they are scholars of Chinese and China, with > something like 80 years experience of translating and analysing between > them. > > Each Zang is home to a spirit, which is integral to the human. that is, > we are bodymindspirit, not body and mind and spirit. Therefore, > understanding the evolution of spirit from the Dao is crucial to using > our medicine - IMHO. > Karen > > wrote: > > > Hi Dr Holmes, > > > > Thank you for your post. It was very informative. > > > > Do you have any more info the relationship between the Zangfu in > > relation to the spirits? How they interact and so? > > > > Attilio > > > > " dr. k " <aryaone@e...> wrote: > > > Attilio: > > > Could you please explain more about the relationship between the > > > gate of po, corporeal soul, etc, as i'm very interested in this. > > > > > > > > > > > Matsumoto, following her teacher Master Nagano et al, has > > developed a > > > protocol for > > > diagnosing Immune Reflex, which once ameliorated, allows the body > > to heal > > > and stay > > > in good health. > > > > > > This reflex revolves around finding a tender area at TW 16 and > > another one > > > at > > > Evil Wind, a cun antero-inferior on the posterior border of the > > SCM at its > > > origin. > > > > > > The way to release this is by palpating " gummy " areas around the > > Japanese LI > > > 11 > > > and LI 10 for good measure, so the tenderness is released. Oddly, > > these > > > areas are > > > at the top of the, or the entryway to, the neck, wherein the > > breath arrives. > > > > > > OK. The Gate of Po is at the other end, at the outlet orifice to > > LI, leads > > > one to, somewhat > > > proximally, the ileo-cecal junction, which has the largest > > collection of > > > lymphatic > > > vessels in the body around it, to deal with any pathogen which > > might reflux > > > back inspite of the i-c valve and the gradient of flux downstream. > > > > > > Man and woman are therefore so much tissue strung around a nasal- > > anal axis > > > [my comment, Matsumoto does not countenance the profane]. > > > > > > Working the LI points releases stagnation in this ileo-cecal area, > > bringing > > > about a > > > free flow of the immune bodies. > > > > > > Gate of Po equates to the corporeal soul because it is oriented to > > Metal, > > > and > > > the humanoid fetus becomes human with the first breath, and with > > the last, > > > mantelpiece decoration. > > > > > > Throw in a Nan-Ching passage which relates tenderness in R > > paraumbilical > > > region with a LU disorder, and the L, with LIV, and one gets more > > > affirmation. > > > > > > In Indian lore, the really uncivilized kind, th best, when a person > > > defecates at > > > death, a rebirth is sure to follow. Which does nor sound pleasant. > > > > > > By extension, if the 'jeeva', breath, leaves by other venues, other > > > destinations > > > follow. The best is when the skull, I am not making this up, > > splits, and one > > > ends > > > up in Guru Valhall. > > > > > > Which to me is dreadful, because there is not one pub in sight, > > and all the > > > pretty > > > ankles are in robes, and you have more Gurus than you are likely > > to be able > > > to > > > digest. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > > > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > > > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video for acupuncture > > recertification. NCCAOM > > > reviewed. Also CA NM AZ MA and most states. $ 299 all 50 states in > > US. S & H > > > and tax included. > > > > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, > > religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > > > To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or > > none, visit the groups' homepage: > > Chinese Medicine/ click > > 'edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. > > > > To send an email to > > <Chinese Medicine- > from the > > email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but > > will still recieve messages for a few days. > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:28:09 Karen <tryfan wrote: >Attilio - try almost anything written by Claude Larre and Elisabeth >Rochat de la Vallee, published by Monkey Press in UK, but particularly their books on the individual organ systems (eg " Kidney " , " Lung " , etc) and 'The Secret Treatise of the Spiritual Orchid'. If you are not familiar with their work, they are scholars of Chinese and China, with something like 80 years experience of translating and analyzing between them. > >Each Zang is home to a spirit, which is integral to the human. that is, >we are bodymindspirit, not body and mind and spirit. Therefore, >understanding the evolution of spirit from the Dao is crucial to using >our medicine - IMHO. >Karen Another source worth looking into is a recorded lecture by Ted Kaptchuk: 2. Pacific College of Oriental Medicine (the 1st " Pacific Symposium " )1989 2 $15 27 TED KAPTCHUK - " Psychological vs. Spiritual Issues in Traditional Chinese ... Healing " This tape can be searched for and ordered at: http://www.conferencerecording.com/altmed/acu89.htm The recording quality and Ted's style of presentation are sometimes muddled, but if one persists, this lecture is a gold mine of insight into " Spirit " in CCM (again, as distinct from TCM). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 i am a senior in highschool since i was in the 4th grade ive had spirits visit me in the night while i was sleeping i think i was in the state between sleeping and being awake because while this has happened ive been able to see everything ppl in my room are doing i have walked in my kitchen 2 check the time watched myself struggling 2 fight off a spirit its as if i was in 2 bodies at once and 1 was battling with a spirit by throwing a big cold breeze of smoke out of my mouth i have no idea y i did this on this same day it felt as if their were 2 spirits and 1 said look at his shoes and the spirit appeared 2 be wearing old boots or worn out tenny shoes that same day 4 the 1st time i felt a woman spirit and she was singing 2 me alot of the time spirits try and talk 2 me but i dont understand because theyre speaking as if they were saying 2 words at the same time some times this stuff can be painful i try 2 ask them ?s but they usually dont answer why is this happening should i try and make it stop? i burn sage and it still happens its been about 2 or 3 weeks since ive had it but sometimes i get it twice a day for monthes straight what should i do 4 them their all different sometimes some come more than once my 1st experience with this was negative because at age nine i was feltup by one and sometimes they just seem mean but they are usually scared or eager 4 me to do something 4 them im not sure if i should just deal with them bcuz at 1st i was unable 2 move but now i can wake myself up. thanks please help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 It sounds like either spirit guides, spirits from the home or property. It could also be some sort of astral projection. Do a protection every night when you go to bed. Imagin your self being filled with glowing protective light. After that, imagin a big white egg from your feet up to over your head. Also when you go to sleep, say allowed, that you DO NOT accept spirit communiction from any negitive spirits. Believe it. In the morning, if you have had a possitive visit thank them out loud for that. If by chance you still have had a negitive experiance, I would say you didnt have faith in your protection. I would then awake re do the protective light and egg, and tell them YOU DO NOT ACCEPT NEGITIVE SPIRTS. Say it loud, and mean it. I was molested as a little kid also, and astral projection is a kind of escape. I would read more on that and see if it fits your experiances. Also spirit guides. Have a great day Christa noize_lover69 <noize_lover69 Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:06:22 AM [CrystalHW] spirits i am a senior in highschool since i was in the 4th grade ive had spirits visit me in the night while i was sleeping i think i was in the state between sleeping and being awake because while this has happened ive been able to see everything ppl in my room are doing i have walked in my kitchen 2 check the time watched myself struggling 2 fight off a spirit its as if i was in 2 bodies at once and 1 was battling with a spirit by throwing a big cold breeze of smoke out of my mouth i have no idea y i did this on this same day it felt as if their were 2 spirits and 1 said look at his shoes and the spirit appeared 2 be wearing old boots or worn out tenny shoes that same day 4 the 1st time i felt a woman spirit and she was singing 2 me alot of the time spirits try and talk 2 me but i dont understand because theyre speaking as if they were saying 2 words at the same time some times this stuff can be painful i try 2 ask them ?s but they usually dont answer why is this happening should i try and make it stop? i burn sage and it still happens its been about 2 or 3 weeks since ive had it but sometimes i get it twice a day for monthes straight what should i do 4 them their all different sometimes some come more than once my 1st experience with this was negative because at age nine i was feltup by one and sometimes they just seem mean but they are usually scared or eager 4 me to do something 4 them im not sure if i should just deal with them bcuz at 1st i was unable 2 move but now i can wake myself up. thanks please help ______________________________\ ____ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Breathe. Find a quiet place within yourself. You have the right to live your life, just as those who have gone on had theirs. You do not need to carry their pain or their burdens. It should be your choice to interact with them or not. I would suggest schorl or black tourmaline for protection, and apache tear (obsidian) to draw out the negative feelings from your spirit--you have been burdened for along time. Citrine may also be good for you, to heal and to protect you. I find that holding a natural citrine point really helps to keep negative things at bay for me. Clear quartz with green chlorite phantoms is very powerful. You could put your intention of protection and restful sleep into the crystal and keep it near you while you sleep. Keep a nice grounding stone, one of the jaspers, near you as well, to keep you connected to your physical self. I'm not suggesting you deny your gifts, but they seem to have overwhelmed and frightened you. Ask the Universe for a loving teacher to help you understand your abilities and responsibilities. It takes study and practice to develop the balance that will allow you to live your own life and also give your special gifts back to the universe. I'm sure others who are far wiser will add their advice. We are all here for you! Love and light, Cindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 thankyou so much this will be alot of help to me and my family we all get it no matter where we sleep or move to and 1 keeps teling my nephew we hate him and to run away in the night and never come back he starts screaming noooooooo its cold so we lauph but i just want this 2 end Christa Graves <blondimom93 wrote: It sounds like either spirit guides, spirits from the home or property. It could also be some sort of astral projection. Do a protection every night when you go to bed. Imagin your self being filled with glowing protective light. After that, imagin a big white egg from your feet up to over your head. Also when you go to sleep, say allowed, that you DO NOT accept spirit communiction from any negitive spirits. Believe it. In the morning, if you have had a possitive visit thank them out loud for that. If by chance you still have had a negitive experiance, I would say you didnt have faith in your protection. I would then awake re do the protective light and egg, and tell them YOU DO NOT ACCEPT NEGITIVE SPIRTS. Say it loud, and mean it. I was molested as a little kid also, and astral projection is a kind of escape. I would read more on that and see if it fits your experiances. Also spirit guides. Have a great day Christa noize_lover69 <noize_lover69 Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:06:22 AM [CrystalHW] spirits i am a senior in highschool since i was in the 4th grade ive had spirits visit me in the night while i was sleeping i think i was in the state between sleeping and being awake because while this has happened ive been able to see everything ppl in my room are doing i have walked in my kitchen 2 check the time watched myself struggling 2 fight off a spirit its as if i was in 2 bodies at once and 1 was battling with a spirit by throwing a big cold breeze of smoke out of my mouth i have no idea y i did this on this same day it felt as if their were 2 spirits and 1 said look at his shoes and the spirit appeared 2 be wearing old boots or worn out tenny shoes that same day 4 the 1st time i felt a woman spirit and she was singing 2 me alot of the time spirits try and talk 2 me but i dont understand because theyre speaking as if they were saying 2 words at the same time some times this stuff can be painful i try 2 ask them ?s but they usually dont answer why is this happening should i try and make it stop? i burn sage and it still happens its been about 2 or 3 weeks since ive had it but sometimes i get it twice a day for monthes straight what should i do 4 them their all different sometimes some come more than once my 1st experience with this was negative because at age nine i was feltup by one and sometimes they just seem mean but they are usually scared or eager 4 me to do something 4 them im not sure if i should just deal with them bcuz at 1st i was unable 2 move but now i can wake myself up. thanks please help ________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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