Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 It is great that we all have our own experiences... and what works for us. I have successfully made several elixirs using the alternate method of placing the stone(s) inside of a glass which is inside the bowl of water we are infusing. Melody does talk about some stones that should not be directly in the water.... Vanadanite and raw malachite being among them. I am not saying Dawn is wrong.... just saying there are different opinions. :-) I would rather errer on the side of caution. Which leads to the main thing... intention. Whichever method one resonates with... it is the intention that will create success. An elixir done with intention will work much better than if one just goes through the motions. Too many people just toss the stones in the water and put it in the moonlight or sunlight and expect the elixir to be created. There will be only a slight intention... and probably a week elixir. To do it properly ( :-) ) it takes some work. My take on the water... is that distilled water is dead water. Spring water while it may have other slight minerals in it.. is live. The slight minerals in the Spring water will not affect the elixir any more than the vitamins or supplements that you took this morning will. They are minerals in your body, right? And you have a body and mouth full of calcium already. ;-) That is my 2 cents worth... not trying to start a war.. just post my experience and opinion. In gratitude, John Van Rees http://www.exquisitecrystals.com At 07:29 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote: >Hi, >I teach Gem Elixirs and Vibrational Healing...preparing elixirs >based on your Tibetan Health Chart. While there is certainly caution >about soft stones that could powder of flake, like azurite and >malachite, most stones are safe. The harder they are the safer they >are. On your list below I know that Black Tourmaline, celestite, >hematite in a solid hard form like the tumbled stone, Dravite and >Shiva Lingham are all completely safe. I make elixirs from there >frequently. The other thing to know is that when you make elixirs >you take your drops from the top half of the bowl with brandy and >stone also known as stock or mother. If there was any sediment it >would settle at the bottom. I have never experienced sediment except >one time when I made an elixir from a sulfer crystal and I really >should have not. sulfer is not toxic....but can release and purge >the liver intensly. Septarian nodule has mud holding it together so >they would not do well. Pyrite can work as >well.....be sure it is hard, but it usually is. Bismuth is man made >and too soft so I would not use this one. and I do not know >astrophylite ( may have a new age new name as in our field things >are frequently renamed to sound somewhat cosmic...it makes the >geologists nuts) or aegerite. > From a vibrational standpoint there are no comprehensive studies > that have been donw to determine the effectiveness of making > elixirs by placing the stone next to the brandy water. So I remain > the skeptic becuase you do not have the brandy holding the > vibration or the water for that matter. >Hope this helps...be blessed, >Dawn Silver >Jewels of the Lotus Tibetan Gemstone Oracle >ps I give a chapter to this in my book and oracle as does Gurudas in >his book Gem Elixirs. Alwyas use distilled water. I have seen >mention in other popular books that have said spring water but to me >that makes absolutely no sense as there are minerals in spring water >that may create different reactions to the minerals in the stones >you are using. > >egomagickian ><<listservs%40egomagick.com>listservs wrote: >Hey folks, > >Is there a good single resource (book or website) for reliable info on >stones that *shouldn't* come in contact with water for essences, >either because of toxicity or solubility? > >Specifically, I'm wondering about: > >- aegerine >- apophylite >- astrophylite >- bismuth >- black tourmaline >- cavansite >- celestite >- dravite (brown tourmaline) >- hematite >- pyrite >- septarian nodule >- shiva lingam > >I've researched these as well as I can, but I never found a single >source of this information. > >-Josh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 In a message dated 5/21/2007 10:33:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DawnSilver writes: when I made an elixir from a sulfer crystal and I really should have not. sulfer is not toxic Sulfer would of course only be a viable essoins if you are not allergic or intolerant to it. I have to avoid foods treated with sulfur dioxide and can only eat egg whites not the yolk due to sulfur content. It causes me great pain in my abdomen. So, if you have ever reacted unfavorably to sulfer-based things this essence would not be advisable. Blessings to your day all. ReNau ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 In a message dated 5/22/2007 12:01:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, john writes: some stones that should not be directly in the water.... Vanadanite and raw malachite being among them. Tigers eye is another due to the natural asbestos in it. Lead is also one. These are for potential toxins that we all know from medical research has shown are not healthy in our human system. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I have been wanted to try elixirs, as well. Would it be effective to put the softer or soluable stones in a jar and immerse the jar in a bowl of water? I thought I read somewhere that malachite is toxic as an elixir? Is that correct? I definately plan on picking up your book! TalkingFeather Dawn Silver <DawnSilver wrote: Hi, I teach Gem Elixirs and Vibrational Healing...preparing elixirs based on your Tibetan Health Chart. While there is certainly caution about soft stones that could powder of flake, like azurite and malachite, most stones are safe. The harder they are the safer they are. On your list below I know that Black Tourmaline, celestite, hematite in a solid hard form like the tumbled stone, Dravite and Shiva Lingham are all completely safe. I make elixirs from there frequently. The other thing to know is that when you make elixirs you take your drops from the top half of the bowl with brandy and stone also known as stock or mother. If there was any sediment it would settle at the bottom. I have never experienced sediment except one time when I made an elixir from a sulfer crystal and I really should have not. sulfer is not toxic....but can release and purge the liver intensly. Septarian nodule has mud holding it together so they would not do well. Pyrite can work as well.....be sure it is hard, but it usually is. Bismuth is man made and too soft so I would not use this one. and I do not know astrophylite ( may have a new age new name as in our field things are frequently renamed to sound somewhat cosmic...it makes the geologists nuts) or aegerite. From a vibrational standpoint there are no comprehensive studies that have been donw to determine the effectiveness of making elixirs by placing the stone next to the brandy water. So I remain the skeptic becuase you do not have the brandy holding the vibration or the water for that matter. Hope this helps...be blessed, Dawn Silver Jewels of the Lotus Tibetan Gemstone Oracle ps I give a chapter to this in my book and oracle as does Gurudas in his book Gem Elixirs. Alwyas use distilled water. I have seen mention in other popular books that have said spring water but to me that makes absolutely no sense as there are minerals in spring water that may create different reactions to the minerals in the stones you are using. egomagickian <listservs wrote: Hey folks, Is there a good single resource (book or website) for reliable info on stones that *shouldn't* come in contact with water for essences, either because of toxicity or solubility? Specifically, I'm wondering about: - aegerine - apophylite - astrophylite - bismuth - black tourmaline - cavansite - celestite - dravite (brown tourmaline) - hematite - pyrite - septarian nodule - shiva lingam I've researched these as well as I can, but I never found a single source of this information. -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Hi John and friends, There is always so much controversy about distilled vs spring. But I am going to add my take on it cause I believe in the science of vibrational medicine it does make a difference. and at the same time I also believe that intention is vital and alive. I am sorry if I am much the Virgo purist....but some of the population can deal with me. Distilled water is not dead water but water which has distilled out the mineral content. But when you aim to infuse your body with the energy of a stone you are also infusing it with the energy of the water you are using meaning the inorganic minerals and metals found in the spring water. These same inorganic minerals have their own cosmic mission and purpose and may or may not be in harmony with the intentions of the purpose of the elixir. Minerals become dissolved in the water as it moves through the underground rocks. This may give the water flavour and even carbon dioxide bubbles, depending upon the nature of the geology through which it passes. . Springs that contain significant amounts of minerals are sometimes called 'mineral springs'. Springs that contain large amounts of dissolved soduim salts mostly sodium carbonate are called 'soda springs'. While these are natural occurences some minerals often include sulfur (which can be very beneficial for skin conditions). And yes some are sensitive to sulfur as Renata reminded me. Minerals found in water change the pure, “slippery” property of the distilled water. Pure distilled water has an ultra-low viscosity which means that it is able to slip through tight spaces easily, whereas water with minerals and other impurities is less viscous, or “sticky,” and will not move through the body as easily. This is desirable in making elixirs because we want the pure effect of our gemstone and not the interaction with the minerals in the water which may or may not be in harmony with the desired effect we are hoping for. As well the vibrational compound of the elixir is changed to the reaction it has with the addition of minerals in the water. For water to slip through easily is important from a homeopathic standpoint as it has the ability to get us closer to the state of disfunction or the original cause. That is the intention of homeopathy and bringing the body back into homeostasis. Distilled water is pure H2O, which is perfect for rehydrating and assisting the body in detoxification, because distilled water has no impurities and has an ultra-low viscosity which most efficiently dissolves soluble toxins and transports most toxins out of our cells, tissues and lymph channels for elimination. This can be important especially when taking certain gemstones for its cleansing and purifying effect on the body. We obviously obtain pure, healthful water from raw fruits and vegetables. Some say that the water in sun-ripened fruits and waters is “activated,” “structured” or “live.” It has been shown that the sun imbues the water molecules in sun-ripened fruits and vegetables with a special energy or structure. We can say the same about the Lunar forces. It has been said that distilled water leaches minerals from our cells. Leaching implies that the distilled water acts against the body's best interests in removing useful minerals from our cells and this assumption is incorrect. Water in its pure distilled form is only good; it is inert and cannot act on the body. Distilled water can never force out essential body elements. By virtue of its ultra low viscosity, distilled water efficiently transports wastes and stores of toxins, including harmful inorganic minerals, out of the cells, tissues and bones, for elimination via sweat, respiration, urination, etc. I have no comment to make on elixirs we prepare for ourselves as the many factors including intention have an effect on what is being made. But elixirs you buy that are professionaly made I hold to a high standard....just shy of medicine....it is vibrational medicine ...a science coming into it's own light...and hoprfully sooner than later. Anyways I am glad for these moments as I am working on my new book and this forces me to write. sometimes I put it off so yeah! Blessings, Dawn Silver Jewels of the Lotus Tibetan Gemstone Oracle ps...I do agree with you on the minerals already found in our body and in our supplements John Van Rees <john wrote: It is great that we all have our own experiences... and what works for us. I have successfully made several elixirs using the alternate method of placing the stone(s) inside of a glass which is inside the bowl of water we are infusing. Melody does talk about some stones that should not be directly in the water.... Vanadanite and raw malachite being among them. I am not saying Dawn is wrong.... just saying there are different opinions. :-) I would rather errer on the side of caution. Which leads to the main thing... intention. Whichever method one resonates with... it is the intention that will create success. An elixir done with intention will work much better than if one just goes through the motions. Too many people just toss the stones in the water and put it in the moonlight or sunlight and expect the elixir to be created. There will be only a slight intention... and probably a week elixir. To do it properly ( :-) ) it takes some work. My take on the water... is that distilled water is dead water. Spring water while it may have other slight minerals in it.. is live. The slight minerals in the Spring water will not affect the elixir any more than the vitamins or supplements that you took this morning will. They are minerals in your body, right? And you have a body and mouth full of calcium already. ;-) That is my 2 cents worth... not trying to start a war.. just post my experience and opinion. In gratitude, John Van Rees http://www.exquisitecrystals.com At 07:29 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote: >Hi, >I teach Gem Elixirs and Vibrational Healing...preparing elixirs >based on your Tibetan Health Chart. While there is certainly caution >about soft stones that could powder of flake, like azurite and >malachite, most stones are safe. The harder they are the safer they >are. On your list below I know that Black Tourmaline, celestite, >hematite in a solid hard form like the tumbled stone, Dravite and >Shiva Lingham are all completely safe. I make elixirs from there >frequently. The other thing to know is that when you make elixirs >you take your drops from the top half of the bowl with brandy and >stone also known as stock or mother. If there was any sediment it >would settle at the bottom. I have never experienced sediment except >one time when I made an elixir from a sulfer crystal and I really >should have not. sulfer is not toxic....but can release and purge >the liver intensly. Septarian nodule has mud holding it together so >they would not do well. Pyrite can work as >well.....be sure it is hard, but it usually is. Bismuth is man made >and too soft so I would not use this one. and I do not know >astrophylite ( may have a new age new name as in our field things >are frequently renamed to sound somewhat cosmic...it makes the >geologists nuts) or aegerite. > From a vibrational standpoint there are no comprehensive studies > that have been donw to determine the effectiveness of making > elixirs by placing the stone next to the brandy water. So I remain > the skeptic becuase you do not have the brandy holding the > vibration or the water for that matter. >Hope this helps...be blessed, >Dawn Silver >Jewels of the Lotus Tibetan Gemstone Oracle >ps I give a chapter to this in my book and oracle as does Gurudas in >his book Gem Elixirs. Alwyas use distilled water. I have seen >mention in other popular books that have said spring water but to me >that makes absolutely no sense as there are minerals in spring water >that may create different reactions to the minerals in the stones >you are using. > >egomagickian ><<listservs%40egomagick.com>listservs wrote: >Hey folks, > >Is there a good single resource (book or website) for reliable info on >stones that *shouldn't* come in contact with water for essences, >either because of toxicity or solubility? > >Specifically, I'm wondering about: > >- aegerine >- apophylite >- astrophylite >- bismuth >- black tourmaline >- cavansite >- celestite >- dravite (brown tourmaline) >- hematite >- pyrite >- septarian nodule >- shiva lingam > >I've researched these as well as I can, but I never found a single >source of this information. > >-Josh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Hi Talking Feather. Malachite is toxic only if it is not in polished form. Malachite miners have to wear special masks to keep from inhaling the toxic dust. As for the jar idea in theory I think it is a great idea although admittingly I have never tried it. Glad to learn of it and I would say great idea. what I had originally heard was that popular authors were saying to put it next to the solution and that just did not seem so great to me. It may be all the same but I like the idea of an open jar immesed in water or a small but taller bowl in the same solution. Cheers, Dawn Jewels of the Lotus Tibetan Gemstone Oracle Shelley <talkingfeather2006 wrote: I have been wanted to try elixirs, as well. Would it be effective to put the softer or soluable stones in a jar and immerse the jar in a bowl of water? I thought I read somewhere that malachite is toxic as an elixir? Is that correct? I definately plan on picking up your book! TalkingFeather Dawn Silver <DawnSilver wrote: Hi, I teach Gem Elixirs and Vibrational Healing...preparing elixirs based on your Tibetan Health Chart. While there is certainly caution about soft stones that could powder of flake, like azurite and malachite, most stones are safe. The harder they are the safer they are. On your list below I know that Black Tourmaline, celestite, hematite in a solid hard form like the tumbled stone, Dravite and Shiva Lingham are all completely safe. I make elixirs from there frequently. The other thing to know is that when you make elixirs you take your drops from the top half of the bowl with brandy and stone also known as stock or mother. If there was any sediment it would settle at the bottom. I have never experienced sediment except one time when I made an elixir from a sulfer crystal and I really should have not. sulfer is not toxic....but can release and purge the liver intensly. Septarian nodule has mud holding it together so they would not do well. Pyrite can work as well.....be sure it is hard, but it usually is. Bismuth is man made and too soft so I would not use this one. and I do not know astrophylite ( may have a new age new name as in our field things are frequently renamed to sound somewhat cosmic...it makes the geologists nuts) or aegerite. From a vibrational standpoint there are no comprehensive studies that have been donw to determine the effectiveness of making elixirs by placing the stone next to the brandy water. So I remain the skeptic becuase you do not have the brandy holding the vibration or the water for that matter. Hope this helps...be blessed, Dawn Silver Jewels of the Lotus Tibetan Gemstone Oracle ps I give a chapter to this in my book and oracle as does Gurudas in his book Gem Elixirs. Alwyas use distilled water. I have seen mention in other popular books that have said spring water but to me that makes absolutely no sense as there are minerals in spring water that may create different reactions to the minerals in the stones you are using. egomagickian <listservs wrote: Hey folks, Is there a good single resource (book or website) for reliable info on stones that *shouldn't* come in contact with water for essences, either because of toxicity or solubility? Specifically, I'm wondering about: - aegerine - apophylite - astrophylite - bismuth - black tourmaline - cavansite - celestite - dravite (brown tourmaline) - hematite - pyrite - septarian nodule - shiva lingam I've researched these as well as I can, but I never found a single source of this information. -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 In a message dated 5/22/2007 2:25:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DawnSilver writes: As for the jar idea in theory I think it is a great idea although admittingly I have never tried it. Glad to learn of it and I would say great idea. what I had originally heard was that popular authors were saying to put it next to the solution and that just did not seem so great to me. It may be all the same but I like the idea of an open jar immesed in water or a small but taller bowl in the same solution. My thoughts are that as long as one is using a glass container inside the other container for the non-water safe minerals and crystals, the essence should transfer well. What is glass made up of after all ... sand .... and what comprises most of sand but silica ... what is silica: Main Entry: sil·i·ca Function: noun Pronunciation: 'si-li-k & Etymology: New Latin, from Latin silic-, silex hard stone, flint : silicon dioxide SiO 2 occurring in crystalline, amorphous, and impure forms (as in quartz, opal, and sand respectively) Since quartz is a fine amplifier and composed of silica, to me glass would be the best medium for essence *transferance*. Blessings to your eve all. ReNau ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear Mugsy, Thanks for the simple explanation. That makes sense! In gratitude, John Van Rees http://www.exquisitecrystals.com At 07:36 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: >This more or less contradicts what I have been taught in chemistry. >The balance of the dance of homeostasis is an exchange of positive >and negative ions with the goal of balancing charges. The idea of >pulling off toxins works by the exchanges of this dance. If water >enters an area where the sodium content is higher than the sodium in >the water, the sodium will enter the water until balance is reached. > >No matter how " pure " or " inert " water is, too much of it will still >induce water toxicity and can lead to death. There is no such thing >as an " all good, no harm " substance. All must be taken with wisdom >and balance. Too much water is just as dangerous as not enough - and >water with no mineral content will pull mineral content from the >cells at a greater rate than water with mineral content because it >is seeking to reach equilibrium. No philosophy here, just the nature >of elements and the example of balance within the principles of homeostasis. >My Two Cents >Muggsy > > >Dawn Silver ><<DawnSilver%40ameritech.net>DawnSilver > >It has been said that distilled water leaches minerals from our cells. > >Leaching implies that the distilled water acts against the body's best >interests in removing useful minerals from our cells and this >assumption is incorrect. Water in its pure distilled form is only good; >it is inert and cannot act on the body. Distilled water can never force >out essential body elements. By virtue of its ultra low viscosity, >distilled water efficiently transports wastes and stores of toxins, >including harmful inorganic minerals, out of the cells, tissues and >bones, for elimination via sweat, respiration, urination, etc. > >________You >snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck >in the all-new Mail Beta. ><http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html>http://advision\ ..webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Hi, Sorry for the controversy and the confusion. While I agree with what you wrote here, and the second to last statement in theory, I do not feel it contradicts what I have said. Of course there is a dance between the ratios of one mineral to the next. That is how we stay alive. And though there have been few recorded cases, people have indeed died of drinking too much water and diluting the normal integrity of the cell. I get that you made that reference in regard to things of a greater concentration going to an area of lessor concetration, diffusion, active transport and so on. The question is distilled water when making elixirs as opposed to spring water. If in theory, the water you were using had a high concentration of lead, this is just in theory, and you were using a gemstone with a high concentration in tin to re-balance the natural plasticity of let us say the liver, then it would be contra-indicated from a homeopathic standpoint to ingest water with leaded content. Lead hardens (and creates toxcity and cirhorrsis) and silver, or tin softens and helps to remove lead. That would be my understanding of why one would use distilled water. You would not want to send mix signals in the elixirs desired for use. I know in theory that people have claimed distilled water leaches minerals from the cells. I used to think that...but in regards to taking an elixir with distilled water one would also have to ask how much of the elixir has to be ingested before that is possible? Or how many glasses/gallons of distilled water would have to be ingested before there is a noticeable effect on the cells of the body? I see more of a danger in an over-acidic diet whereby calcium is leached from the bones to balance the high concentratioon of phosphorus in the blood chemistry. I have been on the internet looking to see the opinions of others regarding the potential issues of distilled water in leaching. Support for that is not what I have found. I remain open on this and fully respect ones choices. I do recommend googling in distilled water leaching out minerals and seeing what you might find. I took off the following quotes....though there are not completely pertinent to my original intentions about distilled in elixirs versus spring when making elixirs. Blessings, Dawn Silver Jewels of the Lotus Tibetan Gemstone Oracle " The body’s need for minerals is largely met through foods, not drinking water. " - American Medical Journal " The minerals which the human body needs that are in the water are insignificant to those in food… and anyone simply eating a varied diet, not even a balanced diet, could hardly suffer a mineral deficiency. " - Dr. Henry A. Schroeder, Dartmouth Medical School " The only minerals that the body can utilize are the organic minerals. All other types of minerals are foreign substances to the body and must be eliminated. Distilled water is the only water that can be taken into the body without any damage to the tissues. " - Dr. Allen E. Banik, The Choice is Clear 1. What is distilled water? Distilled water is also called steam-distilled water. Distilled water is water which has been heated to the boiling point so that impurities are separated from the water, which becomes vapor or steam at 212 degrees farenheit(100C.). Steam is then cooled and condensed back into pure liquid form. The impurities remain as residue in the steam kettle(to be periodically removed). This distillation system removes waterborne biological contaminants such as bacteria, parasites and viruses, organic and inorganic chemicals, heavy metals, volatile gasses, cysts, and other contaminants. Pure water contains no solids, minerals, or trace elements. It is clean, natural, and healthy. Steam distilled water is the standard by which all other waters are measured. 2. Are there any minerals missing from distilled water that my body needs? It is true that you need minerals, but these are best obtained from your food and food supplements. There are two sources of minerals: organic and inorganic. Our bodies cannot easily assimilate minerals that come from an inorganic source such as the water we drink. Our bodies receive the minerals they assimilate from organic sources such as the food we eat. Green, leafy vegetable, meat, and dairy products are all good sources. Distillation removes the minerals out of the water before they can enter the body's system, and distilled water may also remove mineral deposits already there(in arthritic joints, for example). The minerals our bodies depend on are absorbed and remain in the tissues. Therefore, distilled water is best as it removes virtually all of the contaminants from your water. Of course, we do need some inorganic minerals, like sodium, but these are also found in abundant supply in food. 3. Does distilled water leach minerals from my body? No, that is not an accurate statement. Distilled water is the purest form of water, the universal solvent. Pure water does absorb discarded minerals and with the assistance of the blood and lymph(mostly water), transports them to the kidneys for elimination. It is this kind of mineral elimination that is incorrectly referred to as 'leaching'. The expression that distilled water leaches minerals from the body is inaccurate. Distilled water does not leach out body minerals, it collects and removes minerals which have been rejected by the cells and tissues, which if not evacuated, can cause arterial obstruction, arthritic deposits and other potentially serious bodily damage. Dorothy Wright <mugsbuni wrote: This more or less contradicts what I have been taught in chemistry. The balance of the dance of homeostasis is an exchange of positive and negative ions with the goal of balancing charges. The idea of pulling off toxins works by the exchanges of this dance. If water enters an area where the sodium content is higher than the sodium in the water, the sodium will enter the water until balance is reached. No matter how " pure " or " inert " water is, too much of it will still induce water toxicity and can lead to death. There is no such thing as an " all good, no harm " substance. All must be taken with wisdom and balance. Too much water is just as dangerous as not enough - and water with no mineral content will pull mineral content from the cells at a greater rate than water with mineral content because it is seeking to reach equilibrium. No philosophy here, just the nature of elements and the example of balance within the principles of homeostasis. My Two Cents Muggsy Dawn Silver <DawnSilver It has been said that distilled water leaches minerals from our cells. Leaching implies that the distilled water acts against the body's best interests in removing useful minerals from our cells and this assumption is incorrect. Water in its pure distilled form is only good; it is inert and cannot act on the body. Distilled water can never force out essential body elements. By virtue of its ultra low viscosity, distilled water efficiently transports wastes and stores of toxins, including harmful inorganic minerals, out of the cells, tissues and bones, for elimination via sweat, respiration, urination, etc. ________You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear John I was thinking about this reply and am not too sure I have the mechanism down completely - can't remember if the minerals are pulled out of the cells or if the water goes into the cells to dilute the concentration of minerals and cause swelling of the cells, rupture, swelling of the tissue (such as when your ankles swell, then the legs, retaining fluid until the skin begins to break down...) It has been so long since I studied this. I'm sure different systems of the body work in different ways, but the bottom line is that the body has built-in mechanisms to equalize the concentration of water to it's environment. I think it depends on the mineral and the system and whether the cellular membrane is permeable to that particular membrane.... I got a headache trying to remember. Science is not my strong suit. I was thinking in particular of the cellular exchange of sodium and potassium and how the imbalace of these elements can lead to heart failure. I guess what I was trying to say is that no matter what substance one is putting into one's body, it must be done in balance and moderation. Hope I haven't confused anybody... Love Muggsy John Van Rees <john Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:27:33 PM Re: [CrystalHW] gem safety/gem essences Dear Mugsy, Thanks for the simple explanation. That makes sense! In gratitude, John Van Rees http://www.exquisit ecrystals. com At 07:36 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: >This more or less contradicts what I have been taught in chemistry. >The balance of the dance of homeostasis is an exchange of positive >and negative ions with the goal of balancing charges. The idea of >pulling off toxins works by the exchanges of this dance. If water >enters an area where the sodium content is higher than the sodium in >the water, the sodium will enter the water until balance is reached. > >No matter how " pure " or " inert " water is, too much of it will still >induce water toxicity and can lead to death. There is no such thing >as an " all good, no harm " substance. All must be taken with wisdom >and balance. Too much water is just as dangerous as not enough - and >water with no mineral content will pull mineral content from the >cells at a greater rate than water with mineral content because it >is seeking to reach equilibrium. No philosophy here, just the nature >of elements and the example of balance within the principles of homeostasis. >My Two Cents >Muggsy > > >Dawn Silver ><<DawnSilve r%40ameritech. net>DawnSilver@ameritec h.net> > >It has been said that distilled water leaches minerals from our cells. > >Leaching implies that the distilled water acts against the body's best >interests in removing useful minerals from our cells and this >assumption is incorrect. Water in its pure distilled form is only good; >it is inert and cannot act on the body. Distilled water can never force >out essential body elements. By virtue of its ultra low viscosity, >distilled water efficiently transports wastes and stores of toxins, >including harmful inorganic minerals, out of the cells, tissues and >bones, for elimination via sweat, respiration, urination, etc. > >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __You >snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck >in the all-new Mail Beta. ><http://advision. webevents. / mailbeta/ newmail_html. html>http://advision. webevents. / mailbeta/ newmail_html. html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dawn I wasn't saying that it is wrong to use distilled water in essences and elixirs, I have no opinion when it comes to this. I was reacting to the statement that distilled water is inert and cannot pull minerals from the cells. It is obvious that one would have to drink an awful lot of distilled water in order to seriously harm the body and this isn't likely given the small amounts taken of such essences and elixirs. What I was thinking was that a blanket statement about distilled water being unable to affect changes in the body is not true, and under other circumstances could be harmful. I believe one must ask Spirit for direction when making anything to be used for helping the body, One Size Does Not Fit All, Your Mileage May Vary. Some people might benefit from additional minerals, depending on the equilibrium of their body - some might get more benefit from the distilled water. I did not intend to be argumentative and ask pardon if I offended you or anyone else. I am officially butting out and shutting up. Much Love, Many Blessings Muggsy Dawn Silver <DawnSilver Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:32:23 PM Re: [CrystalHW] gem safety/gem essences Hi, Sorry for the controversy and the confusion. While I agree with what you wrote here, and the second to last statement in theory, I do not feel it contradicts what I have said. ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Peggy, I believe it really comes down to intention. What do you think? John At 11:24 AM 5/24/2007, you wrote: >I have not chimed in yet on this latest round cause as most members >here know I've been a bit distracted lately. I've said my piece about >this before too. Melody is not the best source of info about safety of >stones for contact elixirs. (IMO) Her focus is on metaphysical >purposes and while she has some safety information she does not include >it for many potentially toxic stones. I most often use the gem elixir >shakti transmitted to me from the Crystal Deva in conjunction with >the stones this can be run with the stones outside the container either >held next to or in a grid around the water container or with the stone >or stones in a container inside the water container or by running the >shakti of the stone directly into the water along with the gem elixir >shakti . Yes perhaps in many cases danger has been exaggerated >however except for the very hard quartz stones and crystals I generally >find that it is wiser to use a non contact method when making elixirs/ >remedies etc. Meditation with the crystals and seeking input from the >Crystal Deva is important. My preference is for spring water though >of course I would not make an elixir with a mineral laden hot spring >water. My experience is with mountain springs and waters that are >mostly snow melt . The water should be a living water, one can revive >water with a shakti or intention. My experience is that the energies >in the water and from the crystals will harmonize and adjust to result >in the most effective elixir. The Crystal Deva are very willing to >work with people and therefore a great variety of methods are valid. >The Gem Elixir Shakti is included in the set of Crystal Deva >Empowerments I offer Information is on my website ><http://www.pjentoft.com/Info-CrystalDevaEmpowerment.html>http://www.pjentoft.c\ om/Info-CrystalDevaEmpowerment.html >. There are >other crystal energy systems and other energy systems which also have >shakti which will work for facilitating creation of Gem elixirs . > >Peggy Jentoft > >-- >Solarraven <http://pjentoft.com/index.html>http://pjentoft.com/index.html >Energy work, Nature & Spirituality,Mandala,Crystal Healing, >Angels, Huna, fairies, mystic " skills & secrets " ,PSP presets,Reiki, ><http://invite.tribe.net/id/2dd3cd38-8e8c-405c-97ad-0f73a9767ceb>http://invite.\ tribe.net/id/2dd3cd38-8e8c-405c-97ad-0f73a9767ceb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 When we have a storm I like to collect rainwater... I feel it has great energy. How do you all feel about using it for elixirs? Namaste TalkingFeather , skygreen <skygreen wrote: > > I have not chimed in yet on this latest round cause as most members > here know I've been a bit distracted lately. I've said my piece about > this before too. Melody is not the best source of info about safety of > stones for contact elixirs. (IMO) Her focus is on metaphysical > purposes and while she has some safety information she does not include > it for many potentially toxic stones. I most often use the gem elixir > shakti transmitted to me from the Crystal Deva in conjunction with > the stones this can be run with the stones outside the container either > held next to or in a grid around the water container or with the stone > or stones in a container inside the water container or by running the > shakti of the stone directly into the water along with the gem elixir > shakti . Yes perhaps in many cases danger has been exaggerated > however except for the very hard quartz stones and crystals I generally > find that it is wiser to use a non contact method when making elixirs/ > remedies etc. Meditation with the crystals and seeking input from the > Crystal Deva is important. My preference is for spring water though > of course I would not make an elixir with a mineral laden hot spring > water. My experience is with mountain springs and waters that are > mostly snow melt . The water should be a living water, one can revive > water with a shakti or intention. My experience is that the energies > in the water and from the crystals will harmonize and adjust to result > in the most effective elixir. The Crystal Deva are very willing to > work with people and therefore a great variety of methods are valid. > The Gem Elixir Shakti is included in the set of Crystal Deva > Empowerments I offer Information is on my website > http://www.pjentoft.com/Info-CrystalDevaEmpowerment.html . There are > other crystal energy systems and other energy systems which also have > shakti which will work for facilitating creation of Gem elixirs . > > Peggy Jentoft > > -- > Solarraven http://pjentoft.com/index.html > Energy work, Nature & Spirituality,Mandala,Crystal Healing, > Angels, Huna, fairies, mystic " skills & secrets " ,PSP presets,Reiki, > http://invite.tribe.net/id/2dd3cd38-8e8c-405c-97ad-0f73a9767ceb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I have not chimed in yet on this latest round cause as most members here know I've been a bit distracted lately. I've said my piece about this before too. Melody is not the best source of info about safety of stones for contact elixirs. (IMO) Her focus is on metaphysical purposes and while she has some safety information she does not include it for many potentially toxic stones. I most often use the gem elixir shakti transmitted to me from the Crystal Deva in conjunction with the stones this can be run with the stones outside the container either held next to or in a grid around the water container or with the stone or stones in a container inside the water container or by running the shakti of the stone directly into the water along with the gem elixir shakti . Yes perhaps in many cases danger has been exaggerated however except for the very hard quartz stones and crystals I generally find that it is wiser to use a non contact method when making elixirs/ remedies etc. Meditation with the crystals and seeking input from the Crystal Deva is important. My preference is for spring water though of course I would not make an elixir with a mineral laden hot spring water. My experience is with mountain springs and waters that are mostly snow melt . The water should be a living water, one can revive water with a shakti or intention. My experience is that the energies in the water and from the crystals will harmonize and adjust to result in the most effective elixir. The Crystal Deva are very willing to work with people and therefore a great variety of methods are valid. The Gem Elixir Shakti is included in the set of Crystal Deva Empowerments I offer Information is on my website http://www.pjentoft.com/Info-CrystalDevaEmpowerment.html . There are other crystal energy systems and other energy systems which also have shakti which will work for facilitating creation of Gem elixirs . Peggy Jentoft -- Solarraven http://pjentoft.com/index.html Energy work, Nature & Spirituality,Mandala,Crystal Healing, Angels, Huna, fairies, mystic " skills & secrets " ,PSP presets,Reiki, http://invite.tribe.net/id/2dd3cd38-8e8c-405c-97ad-0f73a9767ceb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Hi Talking Feather, Rain water is great...but catch it before it has too much time to sit as it collects other things. Rain water initially is distilled water as it vaporizes from the clouds but then it is mixed with whatever it picks up from the surrounding air when it forms. Rain that falls over the open ocean is a lot different than rain that falls over a major industrial area. Enjoy....you are making an elemental to the mix, Dawn Silver Jewels of the Lotus Tibetan Gemstone Oracle TalkingFeather <talkingfeather2006 wrote: When we have a storm I like to collect rainwater... I feel it has great energy. How do you all feel about using it for elixirs? Namaste TalkingFeather , skygreen <skygreen wrote: > > I have not chimed in yet on this latest round cause as most members > here know I've been a bit distracted lately. I've said my piece about > this before too. Melody is not the best source of info about safety of > stones for contact elixirs. (IMO) Her focus is on metaphysical > purposes and while she has some safety information she does not include > it for many potentially toxic stones. I most often use the gem elixir > shakti transmitted to me from the Crystal Deva in conjunction with > the stones this can be run with the stones outside the container either > held next to or in a grid around the water container or with the stone > or stones in a container inside the water container or by running the > shakti of the stone directly into the water along with the gem elixir > shakti . Yes perhaps in many cases danger has been exaggerated > however except for the very hard quartz stones and crystals I generally > find that it is wiser to use a non contact method when making elixirs/ > remedies etc. Meditation with the crystals and seeking input from the > Crystal Deva is important. My preference is for spring water though > of course I would not make an elixir with a mineral laden hot spring > water. My experience is with mountain springs and waters that are > mostly snow melt . The water should be a living water, one can revive > water with a shakti or intention. My experience is that the energies > in the water and from the crystals will harmonize and adjust to result > in the most effective elixir. The Crystal Deva are very willing to > work with people and therefore a great variety of methods are valid. > The Gem Elixir Shakti is included in the set of Crystal Deva > Empowerments I offer Information is on my website > http://www.pjentoft.com/Info-CrystalDevaEmpowerment.html . There are > other crystal energy systems and other energy systems which also have > shakti which will work for facilitating creation of Gem elixirs . > > Peggy Jentoft > > -- > Solarraven http://pjentoft.com/index.html > Energy work, Nature & Spirituality,Mandala,Crystal Healing, > Angels, Huna, fairies, mystic " skills & secrets " ,PSP presets,Reiki, > http://invite.tribe.net/id/2dd3cd38-8e8c-405c-97ad-0f73a9767ceb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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