Guest guest Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Hi everyone I have a query as to why somebody would be unable to get somebody to do a reading of any kind or an aura photo taken. I have a friend of a friend who has tried multiple times over the past few years to have a reading/aura photo done by many different people and each and everyone of them has looked at her and said, 'Sorry, I can't do it for you.' Of course, she is worried this is because of something bad. I'm assuming there could be many reasons why this is the case but not sure as to what reasons? Is anybody able to shed some light on this subject for me? It's very interesting. Thanks in anticipation of your knowledge/opinions of this. Regards Melissa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Any time that someone can't read for anyone else, is not cuz something bad is going to happen, what it means is that, that person is not meant to know what is going on at the present. Sometimes we are meant to FIGURE IT OUT on our own. There is a reason for this, which will make it self known once it is all over. Our life cycles go for a period of Nine years. So something maybe going on that this person has to depend upon their own instincts. Tell your friend to determine when this started, then try to determine when the nine year cycle will conclude, which it started and will end on their birthday. Another way of doing this is to find their birth numerology number and see where they are in their life cycle. I can do it for them, but I need their birthdate which is their month and day they were born. IF you decide to allow me to do this, please put att: Fawnn on the subject line BB Fawnn ---- MELISSA SELBY 10/21/05 22:53:25 [CrystalHW] Psychic Readings, Cards etc Hi everyone I have a query as to why somebody would be unable to get somebody to do a reading of any kind or an aura photo taken. I have a friend of a friend who has tried multiple times over the past few years to have a reading/aura photo done by many different people and each and everyone of them has looked at her and said, 'Sorry, I can't do it for you.' Of course, she is worried this is because of something bad. I'm assuming there could be many reasons why this is the case but not sure as to what reasons? Is anybody able to shed some light on this subject for me? It's very interesting. Thanks in anticipation of your knowledge/opinions of this. Regards Melissa files are online at Http://www.solarraven.com/crystal-entry.html files, photos, and message archives can be found At: , photos, and message archives can be found At: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Fawnm I find it so neat that you can do this Its truely amazing and I hope someday to have finally opened my gifts, but its a journey not an event. Patience is not my virtue! LOL Love Light and Many Blessings Lori " I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the heart's affections and the truth of imagination~ What the imagination seizes as beauty must be truth whether it existed before or not. " John Keats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 I dont write on here often, but i always enjoy the knowledge that is shared. I have a feeling she is very blocked or has a very good block of her psychic powers. I have done readings on a few people that do it on purpose to protect themselves because they are empaths. If she is doing that she will have to let herself go or trust to allow it to happen. Nora www.hypnosisnora.com Reiki Master ---- MELISSA SELBY 10/21/05 22:54:04 [CrystalHW] Psychic Readings, Cards etc Hi everyone I have a query as to why somebody would be unable to get somebody to do a reading of any kind or an aura photo taken. I have a friend of a friend who has tried multiple times over the past few years to have a reading/aura photo done by many different people and each and everyone of them has looked at her and said, 'Sorry, I can't do it for you.' Of course, she is worried this is because of something bad. I'm assuming there could be many reasons why this is the case but not sure as to what reasons? Is anybody able to shed some light on this subject for me? It's very interesting. Thanks in anticipation of your knowledge/opinions of this. Regards Melissa files are online at Http://www.solarraven.com/crystal-entry.html files, photos, and message archives can be found At: , photos, and message archives can be found At: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 I know of reading of cards, but you must have been either an apprentice to a shaman or born with the gift, you see I was born with the vale covering my face and feet first on the fall equinox, I am a second generation Shaman, I am a Cherokee Spiritual Healer, I use the Spirits to help me to heal, and I help the spirits to pass over, I never charge for helping anyone you see a true shaman never charges because to do so is to lose the gift, Kakamaysama The Frog Does Not Swallow The Pond He Lives In. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 TheKgscherQn4Evr wrote: > > >I know of reading of cards, but you must have been either an apprentice to a >shaman or born with the gift, > I don't know about " must " almost anyone can learn to read Tarot and other oracles by study. Some people are more gifted than others. For some reading the cards is reading cards and for others the cards are just another gateway to the information. There have been times when the readings really flowed for me and others when the intuition did not open for me. I do find that even by the book readings are usually quite accurate the skill of the reader may vary but the message in the cards is relevant to the situation even when the reader has neither a gift of knowledge of the cards. Probably the person who is always refused readings is either so shielded that she cannot be read or as someone else mentioned radiates that she must do it herself. Peggy Jentoft -- solarraven, new site http://pjentoft.com/index.html Energy work, Empowerments,Nature Spirituality,mandala Crystal Healing Workshops,Angels,Huna,fairies,PSP presets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 The thing is every one is born with the gift, the problem is they don't know how to tap into it, growing up, they are told that they have imaginary playmates. It is called the " 6th sense " plane and simple. Those who are born in families that are accepting of the gift, encourage it more. Not everyone is strong or has the gift in the same way. One may be clairvoyant, while the other has (I can't think of the word for it) where they move things with their mind. Some tap into it and have a feeling about something, while another can communicate with a spirit and know exactly what and will happen. But as far as charging, if that were true, Sylvia Browne would have lost all her powers by now. JMHO BB Fawnn ---- TheKgscherQn4Evr 10/23/05 01:24:48 Re: [CrystalHW] Psychic Readings, Cards etc I know of reading of cards, but you must have been either an apprentice to a shaman or born with the gift, you see I was born with the vale covering my face and feet first on the fall equinox, I am a second generation Shaman, I am a Cherokee Spiritual Healer, I use the Spirits to help me to heal, and I help the spirits to pass over, I never charge for helping anyone you see a true shaman never charges because to do so is to lose the gift, Kakamaysama The Frog Does Not Swallow The Pond He Lives In. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 yes anyone can be taught to read cards, and be lucky with them, but to fully appreciate and have a total understanding of the reading, the person whom does the reading must totally comprehend and have the vast knowledge either from shaman training or birth, the cards are not a toys to impress friends with or to make money with, they are for understanding and power to help others that's why a person whom uses them must never charge money what they do, to do so, would only be a mockery of such a gift. The Frog Does Not Swallow The Pond He Lives In. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 So theoretically, how does one go about finding out what psychic level of skills one has and if it can be further developed or not? Love Light and Many Blessings Lori " I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the heart's affections and the truth of imagination~ What the imagination seizes as beauty must be truth whether it existed before or not. " John Keats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 In a message dated 10/23/2005 6:02:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, lezlee writes: > Say instead, " Patience is not my virtue YET, but I know that I have > this ability inside me just waiting to bubble to the surface. I am > anxious to add this ability as one of my strengths! " LOLOL > Love, Lezlee > I soo had to laugh at this one!!!! Thanks Lori " I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the heart's affections and the truth of imagination~ What the imagination seizes as beauty must be truth whether it existed before or not. " John Keats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Telekinesis... fawnnrose <fawnnrose wrote:The thing is every one is born with the gift, the problem is they don't know how to tap into it, growing up, they are told that they have imaginary playmates. It is called the " 6th sense " plane and simple. Those who are born in families that are accepting of the gift, encourage it more. Not everyone is strong or has the gift in the same way. One may be clairvoyant, while the other has (I can't think of the word for it) where they move things with their mind. Some tap into it and have a feeling about something, while another can communicate with a spirit and know exactly what and will happen. But as far as charging, if that were true, Sylvia Browne would have lost all her powers by now. JMHO BB Fawnn ---- TheKgscherQn4Evr 10/23/05 01:24:48 Re: [CrystalHW] Psychic Readings, Cards etc I know of reading of cards, but you must have been either an apprentice to a shaman or born with the gift, you see I was born with the vale covering my face and feet first on the fall equinox, I am a second generation Shaman, I am a Cherokee Spiritual Healer, I use the Spirits to help me to heal, and I help the spirits to pass over, I never charge for helping anyone you see a true shaman never charges because to do so is to lose the gift, Kakamaysama The Frog Does Not Swallow The Pond He Lives In. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 TheKgscherQn4Evr wrote: > > > >that's why a person whom uses them must never charge money what they do, to do >so, would only be a mockery of such a gift. > > Well, I'm the list owner here so I try to be polite and diplomatic at all times I also try to protect the list from flames and profanity so I suppose it would not do for me to respond by saying Bull Shit would it? Most of the time when someone tells you that you " must do " or " must not do " something you can be certain that they are most likely only repeating what they have been told and have neither thought it through nor meditated on it. Let us just say then that except possibly for those people who also have the gift of not needing to eat, pay bills, and who do not require clothing or shelter etc. there is no Onus on receiving money for using ones abilities, gifts and skills whatever they might be. I do not hold the converse view that one must always receive recompense but note that this kind of absolute " rule " is only applied to so called psychic gifts such as psychic reading and healing and not to any of the more mundane gifts. You would never tell a gifted plumber or mathematician or cook or musician that charging money is a mockery of their gifts would you.? The Psychic skills often compel the " gifted' to dedicate all their time and energy to that work. It is not a part time or hobby. Without compensation the most gifted would indeed starve. Our society no longer has the traditions of support by church or community for those with such gifts that prevailed in earlier times. Therefore the gifted must find ways to provide for their needs. Eliminating the right to be paid for this work will also eliminate the availability of readings and healing and other psychic services. ( which was actually the purpose of such mandates in most cases) I suppose that in the light of fair disclosure I should note that I have received money and food for reading tarot cards and healing work, intuitive counseling and other evocations of my gifts, and that a great many of my friends are professional psychic readers and healers .. I do much work without charge as do many of my friends and acquaintances . My web site is supported by donations and I accept payment for transmitting attunements this allows me to contribute to the essential needs of my family like paying the electric bill. Peggy Jentoft -- solarraven, new site http://pjentoft.com/index.html Energy work, Empowerments,Nature Spirituality,mandala Crystal Healing Workshops,Angels,Huna,fairies,PSP presets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Hear, Hear! Jenny Silkstone - rosequartz Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:28 PM Re: [CrystalHW] Psychic Readings, Cards etc TheKgscherQn4Evr wrote: >that's why a person whom uses them must never charge money what they do, to do >so, would only be a mockery of such a gift. > > Without compensation the most gifted would indeed starve. My web site is supported by donations and I accept payment for transmitting attunements this allows me to contribute to the essential needs of my family like paying the electric bill. Peggy Jentoft -- solarraven, new site http://pjentoft.com/index.html Energy work, Empowerments,Nature Spirituality,mandala Crystal Healing Workshops,Angels,Huna,fairies,PSP presets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Thank you thank you thank you. I totally agree. Especially about the part where we no longer live in a society that supports them which you've stated here: " The Psychic skills often compel the " gifted' to dedicate all their time and energy to that work. It is not a part time or hobby. Without compensation the most gifted would indeed starve. Our society no longer has the traditions of support by church or community for those with such gifts that prevailed in earlier times.' I wanted to just add a bit to that. I am studying to become a priestess of Avalon, which was at one time such a place. I hope to one day re-create such a place and I am currently working towards that goal. The thing is about Shamans, is what part of the world are we talking about as Shaman??? I remember it being mentioned that they were Cherokee, which is great, I am all for that, but Cherokee, is not the only Native American Tribe, nor is Native American the only country that has Shamans. In fact Shaman is a universal term. Many countries have Shamans, Ancient Celts did not use the term shaman, but in comparison to those that do, they did in fact have the same thing. It bothers me that you had boasted about being a shaman, and in some way you are more special then the rest. I am sorry to tell you that because you boast about something does not a shaman make. If you have the time and ability to share your gift freely, that is wonderful contribution, but to say that one will loose it if they sell it, is just not right. As Peggy stated so eloquently " BULLSHIT! " That is just not true at all. Another thing to remember my dear is that Shamans may not have been given money in the past, but they did accept other donations in payment or as offerings. Such as food, clothing, or what ever. That was called Bartering. Another point I want to make, a Shaman was not necessarily a psychic, healer or what ever, shaman is a way of life, just as a Christian is a way of life it is how you walk your path. Just added two more cents of mho. BB Fawnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Say instead, " Patience is not my virtue YET, but I know that I have this ability inside me just waiting to bubble to the surface. I am anxious to add this ability as one of my strengths! " LOLOL Love, Lezlee > Fawnm I find it so neat that you can do this Its truely amazing > and I > hope someday to have finally opened my gifts, but its a journey not > an event. > Patience is not my virtue! LOL > Love Light and Many Blessings > Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Peggy- > there is no Onus on receiving money for using ones abilities, gifts and skills whatever they might be. > Very, very well said and I agree with everything you said. In traditional indigenous cultures the shamans are paid for their work. They're given food, their children are cared for, their home is tended, they're given supplies and they're quite often given money. I am not aware of any cases where an exchange (including money) is not taking place in a traditional culture. There's an illusion in our culture, likely linked to a church that has somehow made a vow of poverty a noble thing, that suggests it's wrong or unspiritual to charge money for spiritual services, including divination, counseling, ceremonies, etc. While I surely don't advocate the abuse of money in the name of spirit, as anyone who knows me can readily attest, I also don't advocate the abuse of spirit in the name of illusion. There is, as I see it, nothing balanced or respectful and even logical in serving a community without exchange, to sit at home in the dark, without food and drained of one's energy. It makes no sense and doesn't reflect any models of spirit that I'm familiar with. People with true spirits gifts have every right to be paid for their service to the community, just as anyone else. To suggest otherwise is, I feel, a grave error that violates right relationship, reciprocity and the very basis of Nature's cycles. I have been in spiritual service for over a decade. I have never once let someone's lack of money prevent them from getting the help they need, but I also recognize the rightness of being paid for service to the community. It's the traditional indigenous way, which is my road. Thanks for your post and voice Peggy. Very much appreciated. My two cents, Fabeku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 >from shaman training or birth, the cards are not a toys to impress friends with Not all psychics are shamans and not all are born with the gift, but develop it through the years. >that's why a person whom uses them must never charge money what they do, to do >so, would only be a mockery of such a gift. This is like saying a gifted artist should not charge for his paintings, or a singer, etc. The days when a healer was gifted for their services is over. People no longer gift the healer or psychic unless they are charged. There is no honor for them as there was long ago. If we did not charge we would starve to death. Times have changed. Namaste ('The god in me honors the god in you'), Claudia http://www.naturalloveliness.com 100% pure powdered mineral makeup. http://www.askclaudia.com Accurate Psychic Readings, Emotional Healing, Spiritual Counseling and much more. http://www.bodymindspirithealing.com Energetic vibrational supplements for the 21st century and beyond. http://www.lightworkersupplies.com The most beautiful metaphysical jewelry on the market today, Crystals, Fantasy Tees, Psychic Protection Seminar, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 I understand where you are coming from, and if you can freely give, do so, I give freely my knowledge all the time. But if someone where to offer me a gift, or pay me for my time, I would not refuse. There is always a constant exchange of energy. Not everyone can help everyone all of the time. And if people help one another out, it is sharing. I am not an expert on Native American tribes or history, and I am not going to act as if I do, but in the past, a Shaman may have helped others freely, but the tribe did take care of their needs. That is exchange. It may not have been cash payment, but their lively hood was taken care of, that is what the means of money exchange does today, it takes care of the lively hood of those assisting the needy. BB Fawnn ---- TheKgscherQn4Evr 10/24/05 01:23:20 Re: [CrystalHW] Psychic Readings, Cards etc yes times have changed but traditions are not lost , In my people you do not chage and seek reward for your gift, and this has been hundreds of years,We will tell you if someone charges he or she is not a real healer or sharman also times have chaged when old customs are called new age, people like myself are happy knowing we have helped anyone, and that we will continue to do this for many years to come,one small thing though why would anyone want to charge for using mother nature to help another soul. Claudia <whitedov Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:27:44 -0500 Re: [CrystalHW] Psychic Readings, Cards etc >from shaman training or birth, the cards are not a toys to impress friends with Not all psychics are shamans and not all are born with the gift, but develop it through the years. >that's why a person whom uses them must never charge money what they do, to do >so, would only be a mockery of such a gift. This is like saying a gifted artist should not charge for his paintings, or a singer, etc. The days when a healer was gifted for their services is over. People no longer gift the healer or psychic unless they are charged. There is no honor for them as there was long ago. If we did not charge we would starve to death. Times have changed. Namaste ('The god in me honors the god in you'), Claudia http://www.naturalloveliness.com 100% pure powdered mineral makeup. http://www.askclaudia.com Accurate Psychic Readings, Emotional Healing, Spiritual Counseling and much more. http://www.bodymindspirithealing.com Energetic vibrational supplements for the 21st century and beyond. http://www.lightworkersupplies.com The most beautiful metaphysical jewelry on the market today, Crystals, Fantasy Tees, Psychic Protection Seminar, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 With all due respect, Tarot has nothing to do with Shamanism, and again with all due respect the Cherokee Medicine workers do *not* mix their Healing and Spiritual practices with outside systems - not even other Native American systems, nor do they call themselves shamans. Money is only today's exchange medium, there *must* be an exchange of energy of some kind, even if it's only the agreement that the healee do good for someone else, or the Healer creates a burden of obligation. This last bit is my opinion, but is based on experience. The first bit was strenuously taught me by Native Elders very concerned for the theft of their own Folkways by well-meaning (and not so well-meaning) outsiders. Namaste, Kate TheKgscherQn4Evr wrote: > > >yes anyone can be taught to read cards, and be lucky with them, but to fully >appreciate and have a total understanding of the reading, the person whom >does the reading must totally comprehend and have the vast knowledge either >from shaman training or birth, the cards are not a toys to impress friends with >or to make money with, they are for understanding and power to help others >that's why a person whom uses them must never charge money what they do, to do >so, would only be a mockery of such a gift. > >The Frog Does Not Swallow The Pond He Lives In. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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