Turquoise

[Guest guest]

Hi group, I was recently shopping for some stones at one of the shop

and noticed a wide range of Turquoise from shades of yellow to green

and to blue and there are even pink Turquiose. The shop keeper told me

that the pink turquoise is of its original colour,... is that true

cause this is the first time i have seen a pink turquoise stone.

[Guest guest]

hello

 

please becareful of enhanced, reconstituted, and

howlite turquise. none of which are in the natural

state of the stone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello-

 

>

I was recently shopping for some stones at one of the shop and noticed

a wide range of Turquoise from shades of yellow to green and to blue

and there are even pink Turquiose. The shop keeper told me that the

pink turquoise is of its original colour,... is that true...

>

 

Sadly, it's not. The only natural colors of Turquoise are blue, green

and very, very rarely yellow. There is no naturally occuring pink

Turquoise.

 

Turquoise is, unfortunately, one of the most often " enhanced " or

altogether faked stone spirits. The vast majority of Turquoise you see

is either a natural Turquoise that has been stabilized (injected with

resins/plastics) and/or color " enhanced " by being pumped full of dye.

It's not unreasonable to say that 90+% of the Turquoise one sees has

been stabilized and/or color treated.

 

Just as problematic is the fake that there are so many fake Turquoise -

either stones that are totally man-made and other natural stone spirits

that are dyed to look like Turquoise. You'll often see " Reconstituted

Turquoise, " which, despite claims rarely, if ever, has any true

Turquoise present. The idea, in theory, is that they crush up natural

Turquoise and " reform " it, but in truth they just mix up some plastic

and dye and call it Turquoise. It's not. There are also plenty of other

synthetics that don't have a bit of Turquoise in them, some of which

can look pretty convincing.

 

Another very common thing is that Howlite and Magnesite will be dyed to

look like Turquoise, though the color is usually quite artificial

looking. It's offered as " natural Turquoise " in rock shops and

metaphysical shops around the world. The same is done with Sugilite,

Malachite, Lapis, Azurite, etc.

 

There is also an " African Turquoise " that's been popular the past year

ro so that is a color enhanced Jasper that has no relationship to

Turquoise at all. In a related way, the Yellow and Purple Chinese

Turquoise are two examples of stones being dyed and marketed as

Turquoise. Neither are true Turquoise by any means.

 

With all of the synthetics and " bait 'n switch " tactics aside, true

Turquoise that has been stabilized by being injected with resins and/or

being dyed never have the same quality or quantity of energy as truly

natural Turquoise. Natural Turquoise that's free of enhancements is

hard to find and always more expensive, but the differences in energy

and spirit are HUGE!

 

When you are blessed to hold an untainted, untouched Turquoise the

energy just SINGS! It becomes very easy to feel the dull and deadened

feeling found in Turquoise that has sadly been filled with plastic and

artificial colorants. It's worth the search and the extra money.

 

One final point.... The majority of people, including shop owners,

either don't realize how frequently Turquoise is treated/faked or just

don't care. I'd like to believe that most don't know, but at the end of

the day it's risky to adopt Turquoise from anyone who's knowledge and

integrity is unclear. Well meaning people can make an honest mistake.

For that reason I encourage people to be very careful where they adopt

Turquoise spirits. The people offering them may say they're natural,

and may truly believe that, but the odds are against that being so in

the end.

 

I hope this helps a little bit.

 

In Love,

Fabeku

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

I have several pieces of turquoise jewellry-earrings and rings that were given

to me in the 1970's. A dear friend of the family lived on a Navaho reservation

in New Mexico and gifted me with this jewellry. Now after this discussion of

fake and dyed turquoise I'm wondering if the stones the Navahos used were fake

or real. On one ring I wear alot the stones have turned darker. What would

make the stones turn color?

 

Thank you for your responses.

 

MaryBeth

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

joined the group recently, my knowledge of stones is limited but am

interested to learn more..

 

I also have some Turquoise stones, is there a test I could perform

that could confirm if they are natural ?

 

I can try to scan them and post the pictures for experts if that would

help..

 

peace.

[Guest guest]

Hi Marybeth, I have read somewhere the turquoise changes colour to warn of

impeeding danger..but as to whether they are fake/dyed...trust your intuition,

it is said that our higher self has the answers to all our questions and my

guess is that you have already heard the answer, trust your own inner

guidance...

Blessings of love and light on your journey...

Rach

 

MaryBeth <aydyndril wrote:

Hello,

 

I have several pieces of turquoise jewellry-earrings and rings that were given

to me in the 1970's. A dear friend of the family lived on a Navaho reservation

in New Mexico and gifted me with this jewellry. Now after this discussion of

fake and dyed turquoise I'm wondering if the stones the Navahos used were fake

or real. On one ring I wear alot the stones have turned darker. What would

make the stones turn color?

 

Thank you for your responses.

 

MaryBeth

 

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[Guest guest]

MaryBeth-

 

>

Now after this discussion of fake and dyed turquoise I'm wondering if

the stones the Navahos used were fake or real.

>

 

I don't think there's a general answer that would apply across the

board. There are surely some authentic stone spirits in Native

American jewelry, but there is also a lot of synthetic and treated

stones as well. In fact, there were even some lawsuits over this very

subject - fake Turquoise.

 

Unfortunately there's a fair bit of Native made jewelry that has some

fake stones. A lot of the Gaspeite and Opal are synthetics and some

of the Sugilite is dyed Howlite. That's been the case for many years.

Over a decade ago two of my friends returned home from a trip out

west, where they adopted some very expensive Sugilite jewelry that

was Native made. One friend had a bracelet that she was wearing while

she washed the dishes and suddenly saw the purple dye running down

her arm. The next time I saw the stones in this bracelet they were a

very light pink color, obviously dyed Howlite sold at a premium price.

 

>

On one ring I wear alot the stones have turned darker. What would

make the stones turn color?

>

 

Turquoise is prone to changing color over time. It's inherenly a very

porous stone, which is one reason they inject it with plastic to make

it more stable and less porous. Turquoise will absorb oils from our

hands, sweat, chemicals used to clean it, etc., all of which can

effect their color over time.

 

> Thank you for your responses.

 

You're welcome. I hope it's somehow useful.

 

In Love,

Fabeku

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[Guest guest]

Hello-

 

>

I also have some Turquoise stones, is there a test I could perform

that could confirm if they are natural ?

>

 

There are few non-destructive tests that you could do. Sometimes dyed

stones will shed their dye in water, but not always. This could also

damage the Turquoise, if it's natural and untreated, as it's quite

porous.

 

>

I can try to scan them and post the pictures for experts if that would

help..

>

 

It would be nearly impossible to determine whether the Turquoise has

been treated from a photo. The treatments can be quite hard to spot

in person, though over time one can develop an " eye " for them. If the

stones are dyed Howlite instead of true Turquoise this may be visible

in a photo, but otherwise it would be hard to discern anything

meaningful from a photo alone.

 

Sorry I can't offer more help.

 

MaryBeth-

 

>

Now after this discussion of fake and dyed turquoise I'm wondering if

the stones the Navahos used were fake or real.

>

 

I don't think there's a general answer that would apply across the

board. There are surely some authentic stone spirits in Native

American jewelry, but there is also a lot of synthetic and treated

stones as well. In fact, there were even some lawsuits over this very

subject - fake Turquoise.

 

Unfortunately there's a fair bit of Native made jewelry that has some

fake stones. A lot of the Gaspeite and Opal are synthetics and some

of the Sugilite is dyed Howlite. That's been the case for many years.

Over a decade ago two of my friends returned home from a trip out

west, where they adopted some very expensive Sugilite jewelry that

was Native made. One friend had a bracelet that she was wearing while

she washed the dishes and suddenly saw the purple dye running down

her arm. The next time I saw the stones in this bracelet they were a

very light pink color, obviously dyed Howlite sold at a premium price.

 

>

On one ring I wear alot the stones have turned darker. What would

make the stones turn color?

>

 

Turquoise is prone to changing color over time. It's inherenly a very

porous stone, which is one reason they inject it with plastic to make

it more stable and less porous. Turquoise will absorb oils from our

hands, sweat, chemicals used to clean it, etc., all of which can

effect their color over time.

 

> Thank you for your responses.

 

You're welcome. I hope it's somehow useful.

 

In Love,

Fabeku

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[Guest guest]

" Fabeku " <fabekuwrote:

 

 

MaryBeth-

 

On one ring I wear alot the stones have turned darker. What would

make the stones turn color?

>

 

Turquoise is prone to changing color over time. It's inherenly a very

porous stone, which is one reason they inject it with plastic to make

it more stable and less porous. Turquoise will absorb oils from our

hands, sweat, chemicals used to clean it, etc., all of which can

effect their color over time.

 

 

Thank you Fabeku for your most informative answer, as always I learn alot from

you. I think what you said above is what happened to my ring. I think it

absorbed the oils from my hands which affected the stones color. I always took

the ring off when doing housework such as dishes or cooking. I have cleaned the

silver setting with a silver polishing cloth and maybe the cleaner got on the

stones. I will be more careful in the future about cleaning my jewelry and not

get anything on the stones. Alas at the time I recieved these wonderful gifts I

was a teenager and didn't know about the stone's properties and spirits. Oh,

what you learn as you get older!

 

Blessings upon you,

MaryBeth

 

 

 

 

 

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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what

lies within us.

 

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[Guest guest]

MaryBeth-

 

> Thank you Fabeku for your most informative answer...

 

You're welcome. I'm glad it was helpful.

 

>

I think it absorbed the oils from my hands which affected the stones

color.

>

 

I know that this can create an aesthetic concern, but from a spiritual

perspective I think that this carries some good medicine. In some

indigenous cultures people will rub the oil from their skin into some

of their most prized and powerful medicine " objects, " to help forge a

bond between self and the spirit in the " object. " Because the oil comes

from within us, it carries our energy and so rubbing this oil into

something helps to establish a bond between us and that which receives

the oil.

 

So perhaps, throughout the years, you've simply formed a deep bond with

the spirits in this ring. Their colors have changed, deepened to

reflect the deepening of your own relationship with them and, in other

ways, with yourself.

 

I also agree with everyone's posts about the horrific way some stone

spirits are treated. I feel very strongly about this subject because,

for me, it is abuse and because I view the stone spirits as relatives

it is wholly unacceptable.

 

Thanks to everyone who shared and thanks to Peggy for hosting this fine

forum.

 

In Love,

Fabeku

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