Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Bridgeweaver, As you can see, I have been mulling this over a bit. I use a line from a book I like that says: " It is a Spiritual axiom, that whenever we are upset, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with us! " When I read the refusal to send Healing Energy to Crystal who said " Please help me send healing and unconditional love energy through him. Thank you, God Bless! Crystal " I read the request as Crystal asking for the Healing Energy. I received my Gift of Reiki Energy Healing as a Gift of Grace. I therefore feel motivated to offer that Gift to a person's 'Highest Good' whenever the opportunity arises. I will never be able to express the fullness of my Gratitude for the Gift I have been given! For a Healer to so blatantly (seemingly) refuse to apply the gift of Healing, no matter how it has been received, is unthinkable to me. I am Impulsive, Tactless and Brusque. Character Defects I may be asking my Higher Power's help with for the rest of my life, although I certainly hope not. >I am trying to understand this exchange and consider the ethics involved here. Which you seem to have done a wonderful job with, if I may say so myself. I immediately had to take inventory of my motives and means of expression to see if I had been outright wrong or just poorly chosen my words. >I completely understand Diana's response. In a case where healing energy >is not desired, sending it is manipulative and can even be abusive, for it >can be an attempt to make the other person change to suit our own wishes >regarding them. (Remember, Crystal asked for the Healing Energy.) This position I agree with; But, I do not fully believe that another person's Higher Self, and whatever Spirit Companions they might have, could be manipulated directly anyway! Circumstances, situations, conditions, and the like, that do not directly attempt personal change, can certainly be sent requests for change. That does not mean the change we ask for will occur or that it will occur with the results we might have hoped for. > ......but are taking on the role of God ourselves. There IS a Higher Power (God), and I am not it! > In offering, we leave it up to a higher power to decide what to do with > what we offer--up to the person's own soul, or their personal higher > power, or to their guides, angels, totems, etc, or up to the Divine itself. All that was written in this section I fully agree with. >It was a blow to my spirit, Byron, to see someone respond to Diana's >remarks with sarcasm. And can you not see that naming her Judge, Jury, >and Executioner is pretty judgemental on your part? Somehow, I don't see a few of my puny words or poorly worded phrases, causing so much as a ripple to your spirit, let alone a blow! Your expectations may have been let down, or caused you disappointment. I have been told by many, my Therapist included, that my ability with using sarcasm is another Character Defect. I don't fully agree with that assessment, as I think that sarcasm, properly used (the emphasis on Properly), can be a wonderful weapon of either attack or defense, without having to come to actual blows. Still, the indictment stands. I believe that the second part could very well be wrong of me, from a Spiritual standpoint! I could have given more thought to a more positive way of expressing my hurt and disappointment. > I pray this aloud with the one asking. Then I ask them permission to > work on their own energies, explaining that it is unethical to work on > someone else without their permission. No argument, and a beautiful expression of approaching a difficult position. >I would, rather, ask God/ the spirits to help ME behold you and understand >you and learn from you. I would also use my words and dialog with you, >even, perhaps, challenge you. Which would have been the better way for me to approach the situation also. Also what I have been involved in pursuing as my change in Life Style for the last six years. I strive for Progress, not Perfection. > > An awful lot of *I*s in the rest of that information, which I have no > doubt are very good Stone Spirits Guidance. The advice of which Stone Spirits to call upon for help, I truly felt was wonderful insight and knowledge on Diana's part. And the use of the word *I* in that section probably WAS quite in order. >Again, a sarcastic response. The word sarcasm means flesh-biting. >It is not a healing choice. It hurts. Already explained. I grew up in the Military, moving from place to place, into all sorts of situations, always the outsider! But, I had been reared in a Christian home and was taught that physical altercations were generally unacceptable. The Tongue is mightier than the Sword! Unfortunately, words once spoken, can ne'er be broken! >(I-statements take some getting used to, though.) I can give way to this statement. > > >I wish you the best of luck in this path you have chosen. > > >Love, Light and Blessings to us all, Diana Endresen > > > > Except for those chosen few.......... > > >More flesh-biting. As you are about to point out about my closing, so I perceived this closing and I was still riding the heat of the moment, no excuse maybe, but the case all the same. > > Peace and Love, > > Byron > >Do you mean this peace and love, truly? I get the feeling that you >generally do, though it does not show here. Yes I do! I would wish it for all persons and situations, but I also realize that 'The World' does not work that way. I offer the little I have as often as I can. > > Who is willing to send Healing Reiki Energy to the Situation WITHOUT > judgment. > >You have used the word judgement where it seems likely you really meant >judgementalism. Thirty years of working in a cotton mill can wreak havoc with one's vocabulary and erudition. >Your method of communication has indeed been without judgement--at least >without good judgement. And there HAS been judgementalism--both toward >Diana and toward the person >being " helped. " POV! Point Of View! Your interpretation of my words, sent by email, where facial expression as well as tone of voice are lost. Again, remember, I interpreted Crystal as asking for the Healing Energy. >Yet I do not claim to know your heart. At least you give me THAT much. >I can only evaluate your words. What I have said here is an evaluation of >the words you have chosen to use, not of your spirit. The words you have >chosen are close to flaming. Can we settle for 'Highly Opinionated'? >I hope that sniping is not typical of the conversations that go on >here. I would really love to have a thoughtful discussion of the ehtics >of healing. It's a complex topic. A variety of opinions have been >expressed in several postings. Which in general were very positive (In My Humble Opinion). (And! From my point of view!) >My own opinion is that one must be very pure, very careful in offering >only love and light... It is not always so easy to give out with the exactly needed thoughts and wording. I sometimes spend quite some time considering a response to a particular posting, hoping I have done the very best I can with the Guidance I rely on; sometimes I jump in with both feet (which is the reason I wear shoes I like the flavor of, as I am frequently wrong); and sometimes I decide to just let a response remain in my thoughts, rather than posting. >Someone else posted something insightful about life's lessons: if we set >intentions that deprive others of their learning experiences at their own >speed, then what good are we doing? It is only when people are ready to >learn, to grow, to change, to heal, etc, that we can be helpful as >facilitators. I don't believe that I, for one, am that powerful, that I could set an Intention to someone else that would override that of Spirit! That, I may do only for myself as expression of my 'Free Will'. >I submit these words for the evaluation of others. I hope they ring true >and are useful to someone. I look forward to hearing responses. I hope that meant including mine. >I often wrestle with what is ethical in certain circumstances, too. Circumstances and Situations can always be addressed, in my opinion, again though, as the old saying goes " Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it! " >I often wish to change others because what they are doing, in my >observation, is clearly hurtful to themselves or somebody else (including >groups or the earth herself). One of the paths I follow teaches me that I am powerless over other People. The only thing I have control of, and that only with the guidance of my Higher Power, is myself and how *I* react to a given situation. > Sincerely, >Bridgeweaver I thank you for your discourse. It has been insightful and very meaningful and guides me towards a number of issues that I may address in my attempt to improve my own Spiritual Growth. Diana, if I have caused you any undo discomfort, hurt or resentment, then I ask that you might accept my sincere apology at this time. Peace and Love, Byron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Byron, Thank you for your very thoughtful reply. It's been a delight reading it. Thank you for clarifying what was going on within you and what you inteneded. As you mention, without tone of voice and facial expression, it's not always easy to tell exactly what is meant. One of the things I like about this group is that folks are very conscientious about double-checking, about asking for clarification, etc. , Byron <byronksc@m...> wrote: > > Bridgeweaver, > > As you can see, I have been mulling this over a bit. I use a line > from a book I like that says: > > " It is a Spiritual axiom, that whenever we are upset, no matter what the > cause, there is something wrong with us! " > > > When I read the refusal to send Healing Energy to Crystal who said " Please > help me send healing and unconditional love energy through him. Thank you, > God Bless! Crystal " > > I read the request as Crystal asking for the Healing Energy. This is interesting, because I took it as Crystal asking for help to do something against her boyfriend's will. Certainly, healing and unconditional love are beyond reproach--I guess what set me off was the use of the words " through him. " To me, that's invasive and manipulative. Offering it TO him--to his soul or higher power--I would have no problem with. Then the higher power decides what to do with it. Part of the reason I react strongly to the notion of doing things to others energetically without their knowledge is that I hear of people making prayers like this: " I know your husband needs a job, but I want you to know we're all praying he won't get that one [highly desirable but far away] because we want to keep you. " To me, a prayer is just as much a form of spiritual-energy intervention as sending healing, reiki, light, or any other form of spiritual energy. The fortunate difference is that in praying, one leaves the results up to the divine. My hope is that the Spirit filters out damaging or harmful requests, but sometimes prayers are so willful and partake so much of setting intentions that I believe they somehow bypass the protective filtering of prayers offered faithfully to the Divine. Or at least I fear that it's possible. Sending Reiki or light " for the highest good, " as you mention below, keeps the protection of the Divine in place. > I received my Gift of Reiki Energy Healing as a Gift of Grace. I therefore > feel motivated to offer that Gift to a person's 'Highest Good' whenever the > opportunity arises. I will never be able to express the fullness of my > Gratitude for the Gift I have been given! > > For a Healer to so blatantly (seemingly) refuse to apply the gift of > Healing, no matter how it has been received, is unthinkable to me. > > I am Impulsive, Tactless and Brusque. Character Defects I may be asking my > Higher Power's help with for the rest of my life, although I certainly hope > not. I can understand an indignant response coming across with these characteristics. If you regularly have them, I'd like to point out they are certainly not the ONLY character traits you show. You show caring, thoughtfulness, the ability to reflect on self, the ability to wrestle with truth, and the ability to grow, at least--and all that in only one exchange. I like your honesty; denial of one's shadow traits is one of the things that bugs me the most( a clue for me to look at whether I'm projecting my own problems with the shadow and denial, eh?). > > >I am trying to understand this exchange and consider the ethics involved here. > > Which you seem to have done a wonderful job with, if I may say so myself. I > immediately had to take inventory of my motives and means of expression to > see if I had been outright wrong or just poorly chosen my words. Thanks for the compliment, and thanks for the reflection you undertook and for sharing the results to help the rest of us learn and grow. > > >I completely understand Diana's response. In a case where healing energy > >is not desired, sending it is manipulative and can even be abusive, for it > >can be an attempt to make the other person change to suit our own wishes > >regarding them. > > (Remember, Crystal asked for the Healing Energy.) AS I said above, I didn't see it as asking for herself. Crystal, maybe you'd like to share more here. By the way, I REALLY understand the desire to help your lover with these issues, to heal him, and to free him from his pain and guilt. I've been in that boat. It was before I was into metaphysics and healing, but even so, I don't believe I could have healed him. I could have kept offering, but he had to choose to be healed. Doing anything other than sharing my feelings, describing his effect upon me, and setting limits would have been more enmeshment and codependency. > > This position I agree with; But, I do not fully believe that another > person's Higher Self, and whatever Spirit Companions they might have, could > be manipulated directly anyway! This is an intriguing remark. Part of me agrees wholeheartedly. But part of me says that evil manipulations DO happen--people can make soul attachments, suck off the energy of others, hex, curse, etc. I believe these things can happen. The Judeo-Christian tradition certainly believes that spiritual damage is possible, or it would not have condemned " using the Lord's name in vain " and witchcraft. The Wiccan tradition says that it is possible to inflict harm, and that such harm will then rebound upon the inflictor three times stronger. In learning to be a spiriutal healer utilizing the chakras, I witnessed and experienced the truth that we could clumsily hurt each other. Our teacher assured us that it was " all in divine order, " as part of our learning experience. The apparent evil done by people such as Hitler is also in divine order, as a learning experience. I have a hard time getting my mind completely around this! <snip> > > >It was a blow to my spirit, Byron, to see someone respond to Diana's > >remarks with sarcasm. And can you not see that naming her Judge, Jury, > >and Executioner is pretty judgemental on your part? > > Somehow, I don't see a few of my puny words or poorly worded phrases, > causing so much as a ripple to your spirit, let alone a blow! Your > expectations may have been let down, or caused you disappointment. > Well, there was both a disappointment to my expectations that I would not find sarcasm here, and a definite impact upon me as I read the words. But I am often overly empathic. On the other hand, I don't mean that it caused me damage. Just painful feelings, which DO have an effect upon my spirit. > > .... I think that sarcasm, properly > used (the emphasis on Properly), can be a wonderful weapon of either attack > or defense, without having to come to actual blows. Sure it's effective! Having been a victim of domestic violence, I can say that the threat of physical harm caused more immediate fear and got faster compliance from me, but the hurtful, biting, degrading words left deeper wounds. The bruises faded; the words did not. It seems a little bit too big of a weapon to use on fellow healers and spiritual seekers, doesn't it? Even if you were responding to what you considered a wrong. <snip> >I strive for Progress, not Perfection. AMEN! > > > > An awful lot of *I*s in the rest of that information, which I have no > > doubt are very good Stone Spirits Guidance. I first thought you were being sincere here, but sandwiched between the other remarks I decided that it must have been sarcastic. I'm sorry for misunderstanding you here. Tone, inflection, and expression would be very helpful here! > <snip> I wear shoes I like the flavor of, as I am frequently wrong); I wish I had this much foresight; when I stick my foot in my mouth It's not tasty at all. > > >Someone else posted something insightful about life's lessons: if we set > >intentions that deprive others of their learning experiences at their own > >speed, then what good are we doing? It is only when people are ready to > >learn, to grow, to change, to heal, etc, that we can be helpful as > >facilitators. > > I don't believe that I, for one, am that powerful, that I could set an > Intention to someone else that would override that of Spirit! That, I may > do only for myself as expression of my 'Free Will'. I'm not so sure about this. I think there are different levels of reality (the sytem I'm exploring divides reality into seven planes correlating to the chakras). It's easy to damage someone else on the physical plane, and Spirit does not intervene in all the evils wrought through free will. It's just as easy to hurt someone on the emotional plane, or to damage their thinking or will. It's possible to contribute to someone shutting down their love, too, even if that is ultimately their own choice. After all, if these things were not all possible, what would we need healing for? But I think it gets much harder to damage another (though their response to something that happens to them may bring themselves damage) on the higher planes. Like, to cause another damage on the causal plane would seem impossible to me--although damage does occur; whenever damage does ocur, I think it is part of the soul's experiment with life, something that the soul chooses to undergo and heal from for its own reasons. This is just my opinion, my present point of view, currently under exploration. > > > One of the paths I follow teaches me that I am powerless over other People. > The only thing I have control of, and that only with the guidance of my > Higher Power, is myself and how *I* react to a given situation. I agree with the concept that we cannot change another as we desire. But I believe that do have power which can be used against another and that it can cause damage or can trigger the other to react in a self-damaging way. I certainly believe it is ourselves we should be concerned with changing, controlling, developing, etc. > Thank you for sharing this discussion with me. I hope to hear some views from others, as well, on these topics pertaining to healing. Peace and light to you (as a blessing, not as an invasion; you know, I once heard a clerk tell a customer, " Have a nice day! " and the customer responded, " Don't tell me what to do! " Sigh.) 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