Obesity

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I want to remind readers that in TCM obesity is seen as a manifestation of

Qi Deficiency and Stagnation. Dampness can accumulate and cause Phlegm. Fan

says that Wind invasion also is common.

 

Phlegm can manifest as obesity. But, there can be many causes of Phlegm.

Heat or Cold, Dryness, Stagnation, etc. can give rise to Phlegm under the

wrong circustances. Thus, the suggestion for using cold to treat obesity

probably would help in cases of Hot Phlegm but make the situation worse in

cases of Cold Phlegm.

 

Contray to conventional thought, sometimes obesity is not directly linked to

how much the person eats. The individual's biochemisty is screwed up in such

a way that promotes the storage of what the person eats instead of being

burned for energy.

 

In other cases the cause is an excessive appetite. We're not talking about

a case of a person who just can't say no to cheesecake for dessert. We're

talking about situations in which there is ravenous hunger, and if the

person doesn't eat, there can be a host of problems like weakness, passing

out, irritability, confusion, etc. Let's look at some of the possible Roots

of excessive appetite.

 

The most well-known in TCM is Fire in the Stomach. This person will be

ravenous all the time. Depending on other conditions of the individual, the

person may be a normal weight but extremely active, or may be obese.

 

Heat in the Stomach is one cause of excessive appetite, but paradoxical

situations also arise. For example, in some cases of Dampness and Cold, it

takes very spicy (heating energy) foods to satisfy the person's hunger and

enable them to lose weight.

 

Hypoglycemia can cause excessive appetite. The body is producing too much

insulin. Hypoglycemia can have a Root of Kidney Yang Deficiency. Treat the

underlying Yang Deficiency.

 

Liver Invading Stomach also can do it. The person has to eat or suffers

severe pain when the stomach is not full.

 

At one point in the two-part article, Ma Huang is recommended as a weight

loss aide. Ma Huang, ephedra, is a no-no in long-term weight-loss programs.

I don't care how many people recommend it, it makes the underlying Root

worse in the long-run, and that weight won't stay off, not to mention the

many possible and even deadly side effects of Ma Huang if used incorrectly.

Remember, it's Qi Deficiency that is so often a Root of obesity. You want

to build the Qi up. Ma Huang disperses and over time depletes Qi. Yes, it

works great for Relieving Wind Chill. It can promote urination. It will

circulate Lung Qi. But over time it depletes Qi, and the Root problem of Qi

Deficiency is worse than before.

 

At one point in the acupuncture section, the abbreviation T 11 or T 12 is

used. This refers to the throracic veterbrae. It's not an abbreviation for

the Triple Warmer meridian which is abbreviated TW or TH (Triple Heater) or

TB (Triple Burner). (The thoracic section is below the cervical (neck

section of the spine) and above the lumbar region. It's the part the ribs

connect to.

 

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In a message dated 5/29/2004 1:46:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

I am sorry, Cathy. I simply do NOT see obesity being called and

treated like the very serious dis-ease it is. And yes, I am saying

there are lots of people out this way who do not appear to know or to

care that obesity is a life-threatening condition.

 

The difference is that if a person comes to a doctor who diagnoses

him with cancer or heart dis-ease, the doctor suggests IMMEDIATE

action. But if an obese person comes to his office, and I am not

talking 400 pounds here---I am talking just obese---like 20% over

proper weight, let's say, many doctors either don't say anything, or

just give a mild, friendly reprimand or suggestion because THEY, TOO

are cowed by the way obesity is talked and lived around in this

country.

 

If obesity is all that life-threatening, and I think it is, then I

believe it should be taken more seriously than it is. If it were,

it's possible " cup holder " would never have gotten to where she

weighs in at probably 400 pounds. She might at least have stopped at

200.

---

 

I absolutely agree. I am on the low-end of the obese range and when I said

something about having to lose weight to my doctor, who is also overweight and

probably obese, I was told to not worry about it right now, to worry about my

other health problems first. I was shocked.

 

Myra

 

 

 

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That is shocking. My experience has been different, even though I was

also at the low end. Fifteen years ago, a doctor sent me to a

nutritionist for my weight. That didn't work, but it's another story.

Earlier than that, doctors talked to me about my weight, even in my

early twenties, and told me the consequences. Last year my gyn said

bluntly that my precancerous condition (atypical endometrial

hyperplasia) was a direct result of being obese and that most uterine

cancer is caused by obesity. Pretty much every doctor has tested my

thyroid function, often without even telling me they were including

that in the blood tests. One told me he did it automatically because

of my weight. These are just a few examples.

 

The roadblock for me has been that none had solutions that worked. I

think one change I would like to see is better information for

doctors about thyroid function. I have read that the tests used are

not accurate and many who test normal may have low function.

 

Thanks to all who have posted information on thyroid here. It has

been very helpful. I also have learned that tea contains high levels

of fluoride because it absorbs the chemical. Fluoride, as one of

Joanne's articles noted, lowers thyroid function. I am (was) a big

tea drinker.

 

Catherine

 

, MaKaAP@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/29/2004 1:46:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

> I am sorry, Cathy. I simply do NOT see obesity being called and

> treated like the very serious dis-ease it is. And yes, I am saying

> there are lots of people out this way who do not appear to know or

to

> care that obesity is a life-threatening condition.

>

> The difference is that if a person comes to a doctor who diagnoses

> him with cancer or heart dis-ease, the doctor suggests IMMEDIATE

> action. But if an obese person comes to his office, and I am not

> talking 400 pounds here---I am talking just obese---like 20% over

> proper weight, let's say, many doctors either don't say anything,

or

> just give a mild, friendly reprimand or suggestion because THEY,

TOO

> are cowed by the way obesity is talked and lived around in this

> country.

>

> If obesity is all that life-threatening, and I think it is, then I

> believe it should be taken more seriously than it is. If it were,

> it's possible " cup holder " would never have gotten to where she

> weighs in at probably 400 pounds. She might at least have stopped

at

> 200.

> ---

>

> I absolutely agree. I am on the low-end of the obese range and when

I said

> something about having to lose weight to my doctor, who is also

overweight and

> probably obese, I was told to not worry about it right now, to

worry about my

> other health problems first. I was shocked.

>

> Myra

>

>

>

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I think overgrowth of yeast causes problems that vary from person to

person. I also believe I have problems with yeast...though I don't

think I'm overly overwieght. I do need to lose wieght also. My mom

consitently gets on me because of it. You sound like your doing a lot

of the right things to lose wieght. Sorry I don't know what to say to

offer help. But I do have a question or two? What kind of docter do

you see? I have been thinking of getting a natural docter. Though

our insurance won't cover it. I don't think my regular docter isn't

helping a whole lot, they want to suggest medicine from the pharmacy's

and that only quiets the symptoms in my opinion.

 

I look forward to hearing other's replies as well,

 

Holly

 

On 10/1/05, acreativetouch <dcarlson wrote:

> I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit, veggies,

> chicken, fish. I

> MODERATELY eat sweets, and try to stay away from inflammatory-related foods.

> I have

> coffee, sodas, maybe twice a week, I drink a lot of herb tea, liptons,

> water, lemon water. I

> have been keeping track of my calories--and I take in between 1800-2500 per

> day. Not

> the 4,500 it requires to maintain 280-300#. I also have post herpetic

> neurlogia, currently.

> I started to gain weight with my last two children 18 years ago. Before

> then, I was thin.

>

> I have been thinking that yeast overgrowth may be a factor. I've also had a

> hysterectomy--

> I have the pendulous abdomen--which could be hormonially related. Perhaps

> it could be

> sludge in the colon. I've had my doctor check the thyroid--which even on

> the 'sensitive'

> tests come back 'normal'. I know it's metabolism, but the frequent meals

> aren't working in

> stimulating the 'burn'.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> dorothy carlson

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Hi Dorothy,

 

I would suggest a Total Body Cleanse. This will clean out your colon, liver and kidney which in turn will clean out other organs. See the files on your groups website for details.

 

My personal experience with the TBC is that is made me loose weight also; I guess partly from the cleanse, and partly from the diet. And the weight loss stayed after - I didn't regain the weight when returning to a more normal diet.

 

Anyhow, the TBC will cleanse and repair your body, which cannot but help you in your quest.

 

love

Lisa

 

-

acreativetouch

herbal remedies

Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:46 PM

Herbal Remedies - Obesity

I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit, veggies, chicken, fish. I MODERATELY eat sweets, and try to stay away from inflammatory-related foods.

[Guest guest]

I'm also an obese person, I will be glad if you share to us the

details on how to do the Total Body Cleansing. Thank you and God

Bless.

 

rmgcire2002

 

herbal remedies , " Lisa de Haas " <lisa@l...>

wrote:

> Hi Dorothy,

>

> I would suggest a Total Body Cleanse. This will clean out your

colon, liver and kidney which in turn will clean out other organs.

See the files on your groups website for details.

>

> My personal experience with the TBC is that is made me loose

weight also; I guess partly from the cleanse, and partly from the

diet. And the weight loss stayed after - I didn't regain the weight

when returning to a more normal diet.

>

> Anyhow, the TBC will cleanse and repair your body, which cannot

but help you in your quest.

>

> love

> Lisa

> -

> acreativetouch

> herbal remedies

> Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:46 PM

> Herbal Remedies - Obesity

>

>

> I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit,

veggies, chicken, fish. I

> MODERATELY eat sweets, and try to stay away from inflammatory-

related foods.

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you are on the right track, that is wonderful you are searching. From your story I would focus on get the colon moving, balancing your hormones out, by taking a female tonic and throw some Super Food into your diet and see were that gets you. Even if you had a hysterectomy other organs will pick up and start created the hormones and it is not there job so they are not so good at it.

Gina"Holly" <peacefullone wrote:

I think overgrowth of yeast causes problems that vary from person toperson. I also believe I have problems with yeast...though I don'tthink I'm overly overwieght. I do need to lose wieght also. My momconsitently gets on me because of it. You sound like your doing a lotof the right things to lose wieght. Sorry I don't know what to say tooffer help. But I do have a question or two? What kind of docter doyou see? I have been thinking of getting a natural docter. Thoughour insurance won't cover it. I don't think my regular docter isn'thelping a whole lot, they want to suggest medicine from the pharmacy'sand that only quiets the symptoms in my opinion.I look forward to hearing other's replies as well,HollyOn 10/1/05, acreativetouch <dcarlson

wrote:> I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit, veggies,> chicken, fish. I> MODERATELY eat sweets, and try to stay away from inflammatory-related foods.> I have> coffee, sodas, maybe twice a week, I drink a lot of herb tea, liptons,> water, lemon water. I> have been keeping track of my calories--and I take in between 1800-2500 per> day. Not> the 4,500 it requires to maintain 280-300#. I also have post herpetic> neurlogia, currently.> I started to gain weight with my last two children 18 years ago. Before> then, I was thin.>> I have been thinking that yeast overgrowth may be a factor. I've also had a> hysterectomy--> I have the pendulous abdomen--which could be hormonially related. Perhaps> it could be> sludge in the colon. I've had my doctor check the thyroid--which even on>

the 'sensitive'> tests come back 'normal'. I know it's metabolism, but the frequent meals> aren't working in> stimulating the 'burn'.>> Any thoughts?>> dorothy carlson

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How do we do the Total Body Cleanse?

 

thanks

 

Holly

 

On 10/2/05, Lisa de Haas <lisa wrote:

> Hi Dorothy,

>

> I would suggest a Total Body Cleanse. This will clean out your colon, liver

> and kidney which in turn will clean out other organs. See the files on your

> groups website for details.

 

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All the details of the Total Body Cleanse are in the files on the group's site.

love

Lisa

 

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Roderick D. Turingan

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Sunday, October 02, 2005 11:57 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Obesity

I'm also an obese person, I will be glad if you share to us the details on how to do the Total Body Cleansing. Thank you and God Bless.

[Guest guest]

Dorothy wrote: I know it's metabolism, but the frequent meals aren't working in

stimulating the 'burn'. Any thoughts? dorothy carlson

 

Hiya Dorothy,

 

You're probably gonna hate me for mentioning this, sweetie, but ya gotta get up

and

walk. After every meal if you can. It helps digestion, among other things. I

recently

read a study that said you don't have to " power walk " , you can just stroll. I

have a

couple of neighbors that are quite heavy and they just started walking a month

or so

ago. How ever long it takes, is however long it takes. However far they go, is

however

far they go. But they walk every day. They haven't lost a lot of weight yet, but

their

posture is better and they look really happy when I catch a glimpse from my

kitchen

window.

 

Good luck to ya hon.

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You can cleanse all you want, but if you re-toxify yourself, you'll

have done nothing.

 

Actually, I've never done The Cleanse. But I lost about 25 lbs

anyway. That was three years ago. And, the weight is still gone. I

will share.

 

First, allow your body to re-BALANCE. According to Ayurvedic medicine

(Google it sometime--it's fun! It's the traditional natural healing

system of India, which was the ONLY natural system that has taken my

previously-uncontrollable eczema down by 95%), obesity is what is

known as a " Kapha " condition. (Kapha is a watery constitution,

similar to " yin " in Chinese medicine.) Obesity is a sign of

excessive/unbalanced (same thing) Kapha. DO get the book " Ayurveda: A

Life of Balance " by Maya Tiwari; it's one of the best buys I've made

in a long time, and in the beginning during my intensive learning

stage I even brought it to restaurants with me, so I could choose what

I " could " eat without aggravating my skin rash. The book spells out

lists of foods that are good, indifferent, and not-so-good for each of

the three constitutions, known as doshas (the three are Vata, Pitta,

and Kapha). Simply read and research and feel yourself becoming

empowered. It's a little tough at first, because chances are, the

foods you love will end up on your not-so-good list; that's WHY we

become imbalanced in the first place!

 

Second, there are other things you can do also. Back when I lost

weight, I didn't even know about the Ayurveda; that's a recent

development. (If I had, I would've gone a lot faster!) You CAN

detox, even without doing the cleanse. Three years ago, just before

my weight came off, I changed my diet, and I detoxed rather intensely.

What did I do? Slowly, over the course of a year or so, I eliminated

refined sugars and refined grains. I started examining labels in the

grocery store and I eliminated ALL foods with preservatives,

additives, MSG, artificial colors and flavorings, etc. Instead of

eating pastries, cake, cookies, junk food, etc, I adopted fruits,

vegetables, and whole grains as snacks. (Kapha types should avoid

wheat, salt, sugar, and cold foods and beverages!) We switched over

from conventional meats to organic-only meats. Another neat thing is

to add fresh organic dandelion greens (yep, stems and leaves of those

things we know of as weeds!) to your salad. I know it sounds strange,

but they ARE edible. They're rather tasty. They're bitter, so use

some natural herbs/spices with oil or natural salad dressing to mask

the taste. But they are revered for their detoxification and

obesity-fighting properties. Get another book: " Prescriptions for

Nutritional Healing " by Phyllis Balch. The bulk of the book is a list

of conditions, A-Z (including obesity), and a PLETHORA of advice

regarding different supplements, dietary changes, etc. One of my

favorite dishes back then was a chicken salad. We would cook organic

chicken in olive oil with TONS of herbs, cut it up into small, moist,

herbed pieces, and put them in a fresh raw salad that was a mixture of

equal parts green leaf lettuce, dandelion greens, and spinach leaves.

We lightly drizzled some organic buttermilk ranch dressing over the

dish and dug in.

 

Besides substituting good, nutritious, WHOLE foods in place of junk,

the other most important thing we did was to combine food properly.

I'm talking about the theory that one should not consume starches with

complete proteins (ie meat and potatoes) ks the enzymes needed for

each neutralize each other, which is bad because then nothing gets

digested and everything sits in your tract and putrefies. This is

TRUE. Do a Google search on something like: food combining starch

protein, you'll have no problem finding the basic rules to follow.

You'll soon realize you feel better, you sleep better, you have more

energy, and if you're anything like me, the weight came off gradually

and healthy--and it STAYED off.

 

An important note: these aren't " quick fixes " , nor are they temporary

changes. They are slow, gradual, and PERMANENT. These changes must

be here to stay. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same

thing and expect different results. Thus, after examining any

possible weaknesses in your lifestyle & diet before, you go BACK to

them after the weight comes off, chances are good that it'll pile back on.

 

Other things to do:

acupuncture: to balance your energy meridians throughout the body,

which also stimulates your visceral organs and thyroid.

kelp: which gives your thyroid the nutrients it needs

a hair analysis: analyzes the minerals in your body, looking for

deficiencies that might be bringing your health and your metabolic

efficiency down.

moderate your use of soy: over time, excessive soy depresses thyroid

action

lymphatic drainage massage: similar to a regular massage and done by a

massage therapist, this is a detoxing massage that stimulates your

lymphatic system. It's VERY gentle, painless, relaxing, etc. Many

times, your body can't handle all the toxins it encounters and it

stores them in your fat cells as a defense mechanism to keep the

toxins from damaging your organs. WHile you're born with a finite

number of fat cells, these cells DO increase in size. This kind of

massage, over time (again, not a quick fix), can help the body shed

some of these toxins

Vitamin C: one of the most potent and harmless detoxifiers known to

man. And you can get it relatively inexpensively in mass quantities!

(Thus, unless Big Pharma has its way with Codex!)

burdock: a detoxifying herb

Siberian ginseng: only use if your blood pressure is under control.

One capsule WITH BREAKFAST in the morning should do you. Gives you

energy.

Eat breakfast!

Eat often!

Eat small meals at a time!

Don't drink liquids with your meals. Cease liquid intake 10 min

before meals and wait till 10 min after to start again. (Except just

enough to help you swallow--but that should be minimal and lukewarm).

 

I think I've typed your ear off, but these are just a few of the basic

things to get you started. Get the books, read your labels, and be

patient with yourself and with your body.

 

Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions/need any more

info.

 

Blessings,

--Jyoti/Jeni-Laura

 

herbal remedies , " Roderick D. Turingan "

<rmgcire2002> wrote:

> I'm also an obese person, I will be glad if you share to us the

> details on how to do the Total Body Cleansing. Thank you and God

> Bless.

>

> rmgcire2002

>

> herbal remedies , " Lisa de Haas " <lisa@l...>

> wrote:

> > Hi Dorothy,

> >

> > I would suggest a Total Body Cleanse. This will clean out your

> colon, liver and kidney which in turn will clean out other organs.

> See the files on your groups website for details.

> >

> > My personal experience with the TBC is that is made me loose

> weight also; I guess partly from the cleanse, and partly from the

> diet. And the weight loss stayed after - I didn't regain the weight

> when returning to a more normal diet.

> >

> > Anyhow, the TBC will cleanse and repair your body, which cannot

> but help you in your quest.

> >

> > love

> > Lisa

> > -

> > acreativetouch

> > herbal remedies

> > Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:46 PM

> > Herbal Remedies - Obesity

> >

> >

> > I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit,

> veggies, chicken, fish. I

> > MODERATELY eat sweets, and try to stay away from inflammatory-

> related foods.

[Guest guest]

Can you tell me what foods then have a lot of yeast in it then?Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:

 

 

It sounds like you are on the right track, that is wonderful you are searching. From your story I would focus on get the colon moving, balancing your hormones out, by taking a female tonic and throw some Super Food into your diet and see were that gets you. Even if you had a hysterectomy other organs will pick up and start created the hormones and it is not there job so they are not so good at it.

Gina"Holly" <peacefullone wrote:

I think overgrowth of yeast causes problems that vary from person toperson. I also believe I have problems with yeast...though I don'tthink I'm overly overwieght. I do need to lose wieght also. My momconsitently gets on me because of it. You sound like your doing a lotof the right things to lose wieght. Sorry I don't know what to say tooffer help. But I do have a question or two? What kind of docter doyou see? I have been thinking of getting a natural docter. Thoughour insurance won't cover it. I don't think my regular docter isn'thelping a whole lot, they want to suggest medicine from the pharmacy'sand that only quiets the symptoms in my opinion.I look forward to hearing other's replies as well,HollyOn 10/1/05, acreativetouch <dcarlson

wrote:> I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit, veggies,> chicken, fish. I> MODERATELY eat sweets, and try to stay away from inflammatory-related foods.> I have> coffee, sodas, maybe twice a week, I drink a lot of herb tea, liptons,> water, lemon water. I> have been keeping track of my calories--and I take in between 1800-2500 per> day. Not> the 4,500 it requires to maintain 280-300#. I also have post herpetic> neurlogia, currently.> I started to gain weight with my last two children 18 years ago. Before> then, I was thin.>> I have been thinking that yeast overgrowth may be a factor. I've also had a> hysterectomy--> I have the pendulous abdomen--which could be hormonially related. Perhaps> it could be> sludge in the colon. I've had my doctor check the thyroid--which even on>

the 'sensitive'> tests come back 'normal'. I know it's metabolism, but the frequent meals> aren't working in> stimulating the 'burn'.>> Any thoughts?>> dorothy carlson

 

 

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Breads 1# have actual yeast in it. What you might be looking for is what is creating the yeast in your body to overgrow, that would be wheats/gluten, sugar/even natural (fruits etc.), dairy. The name for this problem is Candida if you would like to learn more about this issue go to candida support on , she has a wealth of information. Also candida has alot to do with weight issues. Hope this help.

 

Sincerely

Ginatrisha joradarn <sugarrcookie wrote:

 

Can you tell me what foods then have a lot of yeast in it then?Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:

 

It sounds like you are on the right track, that is wonderful you are searching. From your story I would focus on get the colon moving, balancing your hormones out, by taking a female tonic and throw some Super Food into your diet and see were that gets you. Even if you had a hysterectomy other organs will pick up and start created the hormones and it is not there job so they are not so good at it.

Gina"Holly" <peacefullone wrote:

I think overgrowth of yeast causes problems that vary from person toperson. I also believe I have problems with yeast...though I don'tthink I'm overly overwieght. I do need to lose wieght also. My momconsitently gets on me because of it. You sound like your doing a lotof the right things to lose wieght. Sorry I don't know what to say tooffer help. But I do have a question or two? What kind of docter doyou see? I have been thinking of getting a natural docter. Thoughour insurance won't cover it. I don't think my regular docter isn'thelping a whole lot, they want to suggest medicine from the pharmacy'sand that only quiets the symptoms in my opinion.I look forward to hearing other's replies as well,HollyOn 10/1/05, acreativetouch <dcarlson

wrote:> I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit, veggies,> chicken, fish. I> MODERATELY eat sweets, and try to stay away from inflammatory-related foods.> I have> coffee, sodas, maybe twice a week, I drink a lot of herb tea, liptons,> water, lemon water. I> have been keeping track of my calories--and I take in between 1800-2500 per> day. Not> the 4,500 it requires to maintain 280-300#. I also have post herpetic> neurlogia, currently.> I started to gain weight with my last two children 18 years ago. Before> then, I was thin.>> I have been thinking that yeast overgrowth may be a factor. I've also had a> hysterectomy--> I have the pendulous abdomen--which could be hormonially related. Perhaps> it could be> sludge in the colon. I've had my doctor check the thyroid--which even on>

the 'sensitive'> tests come back 'normal'. I know it's metabolism, but the frequent meals> aren't working in> stimulating the 'burn'.>> Any thoughts?>> dorothy carlson

 

 

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Live Juice(vegetabkes) and mix some super food with it(more greens)

 

Ginatenbear2000 <jaself wrote:

I just joined and I can relate to Dorothy C. I am mobidly obese. What's frustating is that with my past surgeries I should be. I've had 4 bowel resections, no small bowel, 400+, very limited on foods - low fiber - cant eat fruit except very soft pears in a can, found I could eat the Harry & David pears without blockage. My system doesnt break down most foods. I have diabetes which I control with pills and I have fibromyalgia, arthritis etc and on fentenyl patchs with a liquid for pain that the patches wont control. I am in a unique position and the average diet information cant help. I joined because frankly I want off the pain meds. I want to lose weight, get off pain meds and get healthy. Does anyone have a recipe for a nutritional liquid drink that would give me the protein I need and the vitamins?. Ensure and those type

drinks are nothing but junk with vitamins added. I dont want that I want natural!! Any advice is welcome!! Thank you.

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Dorothy, I have been fighting weight problems for decades. I read

your post with interest, and I would like to respectfully suggest

that you are seriously underestimating the number of calories you're

taking in. I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but I have

personally found out how unbelievably easy it is to do this if you

do any estimation at all in portions.

 

At 300 lbs, you need a lot more than 2500 calories to maintain your

weight even if all you do is sit all day. Yeast overgrowth cannot

alter this fact significantly.

 

If believe that you have been eating 2500 calories or less per day

for two months or more and have not seen weight loss when measuring

your weight with the same scale (must be an accurate one) at the

same time of day and wearing basically the same weight in clothing

(or preferably, no clothing) then you may want to consider getting a

small, portable food scale and weighing everything you eat for a few

days, and calculating calories based on the weight of your food.

You can find calorie amounts based on weight at this site:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

You have to be absolutely consistent and weigh every single thing

that goes into your mouth, even a cough drop. Caloric beverages

must be measured out to the exact amount.

 

 

As far as metabolism, I would be hard-pressed to believe that

anything, up to and including being in a coma, could maintain 300

pounds of body weight on 1800-2500 calories a day. Your cells have

to eat a certain amount or they will simply die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " acreativetouch "

<dcarlson@a...> wrote:

> I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit,

veggies, chicken, fish. I

> MODERATELY eat sweets, and try to stay away from inflammatory-

related foods. I have

> coffee, sodas, maybe twice a week, I drink a lot of herb tea,

liptons, water, lemon water. I

> have been keeping track of my calories--and I take in between 1800-

2500 per day. Not

> the 4,500 it requires to maintain 280-300#. I also have post

herpetic neurlogia, currently.

> I started to gain weight with my last two children 18 years ago.

Before then, I was thin.

>

> I have been thinking that yeast overgrowth may be a factor. I've

also had a hysterectomy--

> I have the pendulous abdomen--which could be hormonially related.

Perhaps it could be

> sludge in the colon. I've had my doctor check the thyroid--which

even on the 'sensitive'

> tests come back 'normal'. I know it's metabolism, but the

frequent meals aren't working in

> stimulating the 'burn'.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> dorothy carlson

[Guest guest]

See below in this color and type of font.

Love,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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acreativetouch

herbal remedies

Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:46 AM

Herbal Remedies - Obesity

 

I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit, veggies, chicken, fish. I MODERATELY eat sweets (you shouldn't be eating sweets at all. And the word moderately" is relative. Your idea of moderate may be and probably is far different from mine. Cut 'em out altogether.), and try to stay away from inflammatory-related foods (Again "Trying" is a relative word. As Yoda said, "Do or Do Not! There is no try"). I have coffee, sodas, maybe twice a week, (The coffee and sodas have to go altogether!!!) I drink a lot of herb tea, liptons (caffeinated = has to go) , water, lemon water. I have been keeping track of my calories--and I take in between 1800-2500 per day. Not the 4,500 it requires to maintain 280-300#. I also have post herpetic neurlogia, currently. I started to gain weight with my last two children 18 years ago. Before then, I was thin.

Do you eat Bread??? Pasta??? My bet is that you do and these are loaded full of enzyme inhibitors = gotta go!!!

I have been thinking that yeast overgrowth may be a factor. (caused by sugar intake) I've also had a hysterectomy--I have the pendulous abdomen--which could be hormonially related. Perhaps it could be sludge in the colon. I've had my doctor check the thyroid--which even on the 'sensitive' tests come back 'normal'. I know it's metabolism, but the frequent meals aren't working in stimulating the 'burn'. Any thoughts?

Honey, you need to go onto an all raw foods diet. All grains, seeds, nuts and beans should be sprouted and eaten raw. The coffee's gotta go. Sounds to me as if your adrenals are totally shot.

 

Love,

Doc

dorothy carlson

[Guest guest]

The whole key to losing weight, is the "want to" and also the "knowing of what to eat and what not to eat". This is easier said than done. I feel like I can say something because 2 years ago I weighed 350 pounds, and now I weigh 180. Now I am still big, but I am still losing weight. This is what I did:

 

I joined 24 hour fitness, and exercised 1 hour a day.

As many of you know I am the mother of 11 children. And so I may not always have the time, but a wise friend told me, that I am worth one hour a day for me. During my one hour, I do lap swimming, or exercise or walk, just me, and me alone.

 

I cut out all the sweets, the cola's, the ice cream, EVERYTHING! I did not use any supplements, I went on a 1100 calorie diet. I have several meals a day, but they are small meals.

My breakfast consists of 1/2 slice of dry toast

vegetable juice that I make with my champion blender.

 

My morning snack which is usually about 9:30 a.m consists of: carrot sticks, or cerely sticks, or sometimes a salad. I do not add ranch dressing or anything like that.

 

My lunch is usually like about 12:30 p.m and it consists: of a half of sandwich. If I chose to eat meat, it is not bigger than my two fingers, my pointer finger and my middle finger. With either carrots or six chips. Yes I do eat baked potato chips. Six is my limit. That is how many I can fit into my hand.

 

My afternoon snack is usually about 3:30 p.m and it consists of a small 4oz bowl of popcorn, or a salad with tomatoes, lettuce, carrots.

 

My dinner is usually about 6:30 p.m and it is usually like something made with either chicken breast or pork. I have dropped the red meat entirely.

 

Sometimes its hard because I have to cook two different meals, one for me, and one for my family. I have to have a lot of will power. If I can do it, anyone can do it.

 

During the day I go over to 24hourFitness, and work out.

 

Sometimes its hard, but you have to decide that YOU are Worth it.

 

Good luck to You."Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

 

See below in this color and type of font.

Love,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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acreativetouch

herbal remedies

Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:46 AM

Herbal Remedies - Obesity

 

I'm morbidly obese--around 300#, but I eat a lot of fresh fruit, veggies, chicken, fish. I MODERATELY eat sweets (you shouldn't be eating sweets at all. And the word moderately" is relative. Your idea of moderate may be and probably is far different from mine. Cut 'em out altogether.), and try to stay away from inflammatory-related foods (Again "Trying" is a relative word. As Yoda said, "Do or Do Not! There is no try"). I have coffee, sodas, maybe twice a week, (The coffee and sodas have to go altogether!!!) I drink a lot of herb tea, liptons (caffeinated = has to go) , water, lemon water. I have been keeping track of my calories--and I take in between 1800-2500 per

day. Not the 4,500 it requires to maintain 280-300#. I also have post herpetic neurlogia, currently. I started to gain weight with my last two children 18 years ago. Before then, I was thin.

Do you eat Bread??? Pasta??? My bet is that you do and these are loaded full of enzyme inhibitors = gotta go!!! I have been thinking that yeast overgrowth may be a factor. (caused by sugar intake) I've also had a hysterectomy--I have the pendulous abdomen--which could be hormonially related. Perhaps it could be sludge in the colon. I've had my doctor check the thyroid--which even on the 'sensitive' tests come back 'normal'. I know it's metabolism, but the frequent meals aren't working in stimulating the 'burn'. Any thoughts?

Honey, you need to go onto an all raw foods diet. All grains, seeds, nuts and beans should be sprouted and eaten raw. The coffee's gotta go. Sounds to me as if your adrenals are totally shot.

 

Love,

Doc

dorothy carlson

[Guest guest]

Hi food4tot, I am sorry but you are incorrect about Fats

neutralizing acidity.

But you are correct that Calcium neutralizes acidity!

 

Where you errored was in that Fats only hold and surround the acid

and thus it only appears that the acids were neutralized.

For example: If you were to Take a soup bowl and measure out 2oz

of fat or grease and an equal amount of strong acid like sulfuric

acid and took the fat or grease and smeared it on the inside of the

soup bowl and then poured the acid into the center of the fat or

grease coated bowl, you would just have a bowl with fat and or grease

smeared inside of it holding the sulfuric acid and no chemical

reaction would take place whereas the fat and or grease would

neutralize the acid, for if you let this set for 1 year and came back

and placed your finger into the acid in the center , it would eat

your finger up!!

 

But if you had Calcium in enough of a quanity in the bowl and

poured the acid into the calcium, then you would neutralize the acids

and could stick your finger into the resulting mix and nothing would

happen to your finger , except you would then have Calcium sulfate on

your finger!!

 

Smile Tis your choice what to believe.

 

herbal remedies , " food4tot " <food4tot>

wrote:

>

> FATS AND CALCIUM NEUTRALIZE ACIDITY

[Guest guest]

imoreless,

I posted some of Dr. Young's stuff today, he's the one who needs the

correction.

fft

 

 

herbal remedies , " imoreless " <duze24@b...>

wrote:

>

>

> Hi food4tot, I am sorry but you are incorrect about Fats

> neutralizing acidity.

> But you are correct that Calcium neutralizes acidity!

>

> Where you errored was in that Fats only hold and surround the

acid

> and thus it only appears that the acids were neutralized.

> For example: If you were to Take a soup bowl and measure out

2oz

> of fat or grease and an equal amount of strong acid like sulfuric

> acid and took the fat or grease and smeared it on the inside of

the

> soup bowl and then poured the acid into the center of the fat or

> grease coated bowl, you would just have a bowl with fat and or

grease

> smeared inside of it holding the sulfuric acid and no chemical

> reaction would take place whereas the fat and or grease would

> neutralize the acid, for if you let this set for 1 year and came

back

> and placed your finger into the acid in the center , it would eat

> your finger up!!

>

> But if you had Calcium in enough of a quanity in the bowl and

> poured the acid into the calcium, then you would neutralize the

acids

> and could stick your finger into the resulting mix and nothing

would

> happen to your finger , except you would then have Calcium sulfate

on

> your finger!!

>

> Smile Tis your choice what to believe.

>

> herbal remedies , " food4tot " <food4tot>

> wrote:

> >

> > FATS AND CALCIUM NEUTRALIZE ACIDITY

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Avishay,

 

Chen and Chen lists a protocol to reduce body weight and and lower

cholesterol:

Shan Zha, Zi Su Ye, Shi Chang Pu, and Ze Xie. BTW, he adds that according to

Dr. Zhang Xiao-Ping, Shan Zha is contraindicated for patients with ulcers. Chen

recommends in such a case substituting herbs that are not sour such as Jue Ming

Zi.

 

I have included these four herbs on three different occasion as part of

formulas in which the patients were also interested in losing weight (although

with dietary guidelines as well). In each case, there was significant weight

loss, averaging around 2-3 lbs lost per week, and taken for at least one month

in each case.

 

sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

avishay_yamin <avishay_yamin wrote:

hi all

 

in regatding to treating obese pepole:

 

i never treat them myself and i allways refer them to friends

becouse my skills in nutrition is not so good.

 

in all the reaserch i read regarding to obesity in china there was

no nutritional recommondations and only body\auricular acupuncture

and herbs and still there was a redutuon of 1.5-3 KG per month.

 

i wanted to ask if anyone had the experience in treatimg obesity

without nutritional recomindation (only acupuncture,herbs) and what

are the results?

beside it is importent to note that i am not refering to the VERY

OBESE pepole but to pepole who want to take something like 10 Kg

from their weight .

 

thank you very much

avishay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

On Tuesday 06 March 2007 4:21 am, yehuda frischman wrote:

> Dear Avishay,

>

> Chen and Chen lists a protocol to reduce body weight and and lower

> cholesterol: Shan Zha, Zi Su Ye, Shi Chang Pu, and Ze Xie. BTW, he adds

> that according to Dr. Zhang Xiao-Ping, Shan Zha is contraindicated for

> patients with ulcers. Chen recommends in such a case substituting herbs

> that are not sour such as Jue Ming Zi.

>

> I have included these four herbs on three different occasion as part of

> formulas in which the patients were also interested in losing weight

> (although with dietary guidelines as well). In each case, there was

> significant weight loss, averaging around 2-3 lbs lost per week, and taken

> for at least one month in each case.

 

Hi Yehuda!

 

These are your cases or from the Chen and Chen?

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

Hi Yehuda

 

can you tell me who is Chen and Chen ?

and where can i find the protocol?

 

thanks

avishay

[Guest guest]

My cases, Pete.

 

Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote: On Tuesday 06 March 2007

4:21 am, yehuda frischman wrote:

> Dear Avishay,

>

> Chen and Chen lists a protocol to reduce body weight and and lower

> cholesterol: Shan Zha, Zi Su Ye, Shi Chang Pu, and Ze Xie. BTW, he adds

> that according to Dr. Zhang Xiao-Ping, Shan Zha is contraindicated for

> patients with ulcers. Chen recommends in such a case substituting herbs

> that are not sour such as Jue Ming Zi.

>

> I have included these four herbs on three different occasion as part of

> formulas in which the patients were also interested in losing weight

> (although with dietary guidelines as well). In each case, there was

> significant weight loss, averaging around 2-3 lbs lost per week, and taken

> for at least one month in each case.

 

Hi Yehuda!

 

These are your cases or from the Chen and Chen?

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I personally think, weight reduction is a big ball of wax, emotional, physical,

energetic. I have a patient that is just starting to lose weight (she's quite

overweight) and she has been with me over a year. She did not come for that,

but to keep healthy she will need to deal with it.

 

Okay, back to the acupuncture side. Attilio had a group of acupuncture points

that he uses in an weight reduction protocol. Maybe he can dig them up or point

you to the archives.

 

I wouldn't be afraid of treating them. Just say it is more than a few magic

points involved. The patient has to be ready, diet changes and exercise changes

have to come about.

 

A litte aside: I was taking my teenage son into his excercise trainer (he is

getting ready for a select baseball season.). I told him some information about

my son and what I thought he needed. Then I looked at him and said, " Holloway,

(that's his name) then I need to get on your book soon. I need to loose 10

pounds or I am going to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge. " I told him I only had 8

am open. He said, how about 7:00 am. I said I have to wave goodbye to my high

school senior (my daughter) at 7:15 ( I only have a few more months to do

this). Sometimes she not nice and sometimes she's nice. I live for the nice

times. So Holloway said he could see me at 7:30 am.

I am there every Tues and Thurs at 7:30 am. because I have a commitment to the

appt. I have plantar fasciites (so can only do the bike for aerobics) from

standing in my work. I have a right arm (rotator cuff) that has challenges from

doing too much GuSha. I think both happened from not working out. So he tailored

the exercises for me. The 10 lbs haven't gone yet, but I feel good and my

muscles are coming back. No I' haven't jumped. These things take time and a

commitment. There are always obstacles to get around - time, sore muscles,

money, emotional blocks, whatever.

 

Anne

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

" avishay_yamin " <avishay_yamin

> hi all

>

> in regatding to treating obese pepole:

>

> i never treat them myself and i allways refer them to friends

> becouse my skills in nutrition is not so good.

>

> in all the reaserch i read regarding to obesity in china there was

> no nutritional recommondations and only body\auricular acupuncture

> and herbs and still there was a redutuon of 1.5-3 KG per month.

>

> i wanted to ask if anyone had the experience in treatimg obesity

> without nutritional recomindation (only acupuncture,herbs) and what

> are the results?

> beside it is importent to note that i am not refering to the VERY

> OBESE pepole but to pepole who want to take something like 10 Kg

> from their weight .

>

> thank you very much

> avishay

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday 07 March 2007 4:38 am, yehuda frischman wrote:

 

Hi Yehuda!

 

2 - 3 pounds a week is a lot. How long do they keep it off?

 

> My cases, Pete.

>

> Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote: On Tuesday 06 March

2007 4:21 am, yehuda frischman wrote:

> > Dear Avishay,

> >

> > Chen and Chen lists a protocol to reduce body weight and and lower

> > cholesterol: Shan Zha, Zi Su Ye, Shi Chang Pu, and Ze Xie. BTW, he adds

> > that according to Dr. Zhang Xiao-Ping, Shan Zha is contraindicated for

> > patients with ulcers. Chen recommends in such a case substituting herbs

> > that are not sour such as Jue Ming Zi.

> >

> > I have included these four herbs on three different occasion as part of

> > formulas in which the patients were also interested in losing weight

> > (although with dietary guidelines as well). In each case, there was

> > significant weight loss, averaging around 2-3 lbs lost per week, and

> > taken for at least one month in each case.

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/