Frequency of treatment

[Guest guest]

Catherine, where are you?

 

I am in Los Angeles (Santa Monica) if you want to refer me.

 

Julie Chambers

(310) 452-0441

[Guest guest]

Most of my patients are willing to come in twice a week if they have an acute problem, or for a short course of treatment. Most come in once a week. Then I have a 73-year old woman who will only come in once a month and says it keeps her arthritis pain under control and that's all she wants. She's a home health aide and works 50-60 hours a week, smokes, eats terribly and won't do anything about any of that. Flat out refuses.

 

I have an interesting job now, though, at a 4-week center for women with eating disorders. I give each resident two treatments a week for 4 weeks. They also have biofeedback and polarity therapy and some aromatherapy. When they leave, most are interested in having referrals to practitioners in their home towns.

 

I only do acupuncture, however, unless there is an acute problem that comes up. The director doesn't want them to be taking herbs by mouth. Also, since I'm only seeing them for a month and won't have follow-up, it seems just as well that they wait until they are back home.

 

My focus is both on supporting the Spleen/Stomach and on menstrual irregularities which are common, and on helping them be more in their bodies and more open emotionally, and helping with anxiety.

 

Speaking of referrals, I need a practitioner in Los Angeles for one of the women who will be returning there in a couple of months.

 

Thanks.

 

Catherine

 

 

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Luke Klincewicz

 

Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:44 PM

Frequency of Treatment

I'm sincerely curious regarding treatment frequency and how this effectstreatment strategies and methodologies. I would appreciate all commentscomparing how frequently patients are seen in China vs. how frequently theyare seen in the rest of the world.Personally, I find that most patients are rarely willing to come more thanonce or twice per week.luke

 

 

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Luke,

 

>I would appreciate all comments

> comparing how frequently patients are seen in China vs. how frequently

they

> are seen in the rest of the world.

 

In the acupuncture wards at the TCM hospital attached to the Chengdu

University of TCM, acupuncture treatements are generally administered

daily, either five or six days a week. This holds for both the inpatient

and outpatient wards. On the inpatient wards, needles are sometimes

administered more than once a day, depending on the patient's condition

and treatment plan.

 

In the outpatient wards, a course of treatment may last from two to

six or more weeks. If a cure has not been effected after one course of

treatment, the patient is generally given a week or more of rest and

then a second course of treatment is initiated.

 

I have seen difficult and relatively non-responsive cases treated for

more than six months in this manner before substantial progress obtained.

 

A related note: when scalp acupuncture is used, patients are often

sent home with the needles retained. In such instances, the patients

are shown how to withdraw the needles and are told how long to

retain them. Sometimes, needles are put in scalp points and taped

down and the patients are told to simply let them remain until they

return the following day. It is not unheard of for needles to be retained

in this fashion for two or three days.

 

>

> Personally, I find that most patients are rarely willing to come more than

> once or twice per week.

 

In the situation described above, the patients are used to following

doctors' orders, not because they are more obedient or even more

well acquainted with acupuncture as a medical modality, but because

it is in this fashion that results obtain and patients recover from their

ailments.

 

Doctors and interns often make a point of telling their patients that

they must continue their course of treatments until they are discharged,

even if their original symptoms disappear. The doctors explain that

they are engaged in rebalancing the patient's qi and that the patient

should cooperate in order to not only treat the present condition

but help prevent recurrence.

 

The reason that these doctors have this kind of relationship with

their patients is because the doctors are competent and effective.

Patients generally will not sit still for no results. In China there is

always an abundance of patients, whether in the city or countryside

and there is no need to move to the country to fill up a clinic. The

only empty clinics are those staffed by incompetent doctors.

 

Ken

[Guest guest]

Ken,

 

But do these patients pay for the treatments? And if so, how much -- in terms relative to their income?

 

I've often thought that it would be great to have a large treatment room with several tables and curtains or screens, Chinese style. I'd see someone for a regular private treatment once a week and then have them come in 3 more times a week and thus be able to give greatly discounted treatments.

 

Has anyone done something like this?

 

Catherine

 

 

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Cosmic Dragon LLC

Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:24 PM

Re: Frequency of Treatment

Luke,>I would appreciate all comments> comparing how frequently patients are seen in China vs. how frequentlythey> are seen in the rest of the world.In the acupuncture wards at the TCM hospital attached to the ChengduUniversity of TCM, acupuncture treatements are generally administereddaily, either five or six days a week. This holds for both the inpatientand outpatient wards. On the inpatient wards, needles are sometimesadministered more than once a day, depending on the patient's conditionand treatment plan.In the outpatient wards, a course of treatment may last from two tosix or more weeks. If a cure has not been effected after one course oftreatment, the patient is generally given a week or more of rest andthen a second course of treatment is initiated.I have seen difficult and relatively non-responsive cases treated formore than six months in this manner before substantial progress obtained.A related note: when scalp acupuncture is used, patients are oftensent home with the needles retained. In such instances, the patientsare shown how to withdraw the needles and are told how long toretain them. Sometimes, needles are put in scalp points and tapeddown and the patients are told to simply let them remain until theyreturn the following day. It is not unheard of for needles to be retainedin this fashion for two or three days.>> Personally, I find that most patients are rarely willing to come more than> once or twice per week.In the situation described above, the patients are used to followingdoctors' orders, not because they are more obedient or even morewell acquainted with acupuncture as a medical modality, but becauseit is in this fashion that results obtain and patients recover from theirailments.Doctors and interns often make a point of telling their patients thatthey must continue their course of treatments until they are discharged,even if their original symptoms disappear. The doctors explain thatthey are engaged in rebalancing the patient's qi and that the patientshould cooperate in order to not only treat the present conditionbut help prevent recurrence.The reason that these doctors have this kind of relationship withtheir patients is because the doctors are competent and effective.Patients generally will not sit still for no results. In China there isalways an abundance of patients, whether in the city or countrysideand there is no need to move to the country to fill up a clinic. Theonly empty clinics are those staffed by incompetent doctors.Ken

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Catherine,

 

>But do these patients pay for the treatments? And if so, how much -- in terms relative to their income?

 

Yes, patients pay. A week of treatments used to cost about 35-50 yuan RMB.

The exchange rate is roughly 8 RMB to 1 USDollar. So this works out to

about $4-6 per week.

 

To give you an idea of how this relates to income, the average income of an urban

Chinese professional at that time (up until about two years ago) was between

500 and 800 yuan RMB. Those working for government work units have

subsidized housing. Food accounts for about 60% or more of an individual's

income. It's not exactly easy to make these kinds of comparisons as there

are so many complicating factors.

 

Ken

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the replies,

 

So do you, Ken, see patients daily?

 

luke

 

, " Cosmic Dragon LLC "

<yulong@m...> wrote:

> Catherine,

> >But do these patients pay for the treatments? And if so, how

much -- in terms relative to their income?

>

> Yes, patients pay. A week of treatments used to cost about 35-50

yuan RMB.

> The exchange rate is roughly 8 RMB to 1 USDollar. So this works

out to

> about $4-6 per week.

>

> To give you an idea of how this relates to income, the average

income of an urban

> Chinese professional at that time (up until about two years ago)

was between

> 500 and 800 yuan RMB. Those working for government work units have

> subsidized housing. Food accounts for about 60% or more of an

individual's

> income. It's not exactly easy to make these kinds of comparisons

as there

> are so many complicating factors.

>

> Ken

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for the replies,

>

> So do you, Ken, see patients daily?

>

 

Luke,

 

I don't practice acupuncture here in the states, and I don't

prefer to practice acupuncture at all. In my estimation,

acupuncture is a fairly limited modality. I stress that this

is my personal estimation and is based more on my own

strengths and weaknesses than on anything else.

It is not meant as an evaluation of acupuncture.

 

There are definitely times when only a well placed needle

or two will do.

 

In more general terms, I cleave to the advice contained in

the Nei Jing that suggest that treating patients with needles

and herbs after they have developed illnesses is comparable

to the behavior of those who only start to dig a well after

they feel thirsty or to those who only think of forging

weapons after they are engaged in battle. Too late.

 

Thus I prefer to educate people about the cultivation of

qi and teach people Taijiquan so that they can

treat themselves before they get sick. The bulk of my

clinical experience is in sports medicine, orthopedics,

traumatology and geriatrics. My preferred modality

when dealing with people's problems is tui na.

 

Ken

[Guest guest]

Actually,

I am surprised at some of the responses.

While I understand the use of frequent repetitions of treatment in

acute-care clinics in China and elsewhere, I cannot agree with Ken, Todd or

some other people on this list that acupuncture is a 'limited modality', or

that acupuncture needs to be used daily or several times a week to be

effective.

 

I have practiced acumoxatherapy for 18 years alongside herbal medicine, and

see daily what a powerful modality it is. For most of my patients, I treat

only every 10-14 days, acute problems once or twice a week. I see that the

effects of treatment last and are cumulative, and that overtreatment is

worse than undertreatment.

 

Especially if one practices a channel-based acupuncture, employing the qi

qing ba mai/eight extraordinary vessels, wu shu xue/five transporting

points, or divergent channels, and using the open points and 24 hour time

clock, the results can be very profound.

 

Acumoxatherapy can accomplish what herbal medicine cannot, and visa versa.

I couldn't think of abandoning either method, the benefits of each for my

patients are too great.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Would anyone care to comment on How Often herbal decoctions would be

given/taken - In China and here.

 

Were Patent Medicines more prevalent.

 

When I was in Tian Jin, China the patients were given one bag of herbs for

one day. Herbs cost more than acupuncture and even though the patients

" Company " paid the general feeling I got was that herbs were expensive. I

can't remember how they compared in price to the pills.

When I was doing clinical rounds in school (Oakland, San Francisco, Santa

Cruz, CA) I remember many patients could not afford herbs - or simply said

that to avoid taking them. Oakland, had a policy then to charge for

different prices for each herb (I never liked spending the time to total up

their prescriptions) and many times we had to substitute herbs in the

formula to lower the price. The other schools, and my preference, was to

charge $3 or $5 per bag and suggest 3 bags ($15) for one week. Sometimes

suggesting 2 bags ($6) for one week.

[Guest guest]

Luke

Interesting question!!

In China I used to see patients at least every day or second day so they

would have 20-30 treatments in a short time .

In Sydney I thought I wouldn't get results using acupuncture just once per

week and as I was interested in herbs so I ended up using acupuncture as a

adjunct.As I was starting out I needled the patients and then I had 20

minutes or so to work out the herbs!Sometimes if I felt they needed more

treatment I would tell them to come 2 times per week and I would only charge

for the one .Then they would come once and pay half!!So I stopped that.Most

practitioners in Sydney treat once per week.

In NZ a large % of patients can be paid for by the government if they have

had an injury.This means they do not have to pay.I would tell people to come

3 times per week especially if it was a serious acute back strain or

something...........only a very small % would actually do it.Even when they

don't have to pay they will only come once per week(with me anyway)

I still get results and I don't believe the results would be faster with

daily treatment.I don't have to give strong de qi to westerners and my herb

scripts

have smaller dosages than for Chinese patients.

 

Heiko Lade

Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist

2 Jenkins St.

Green Island, Dunedin

New Zealand

Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012

http://www.lade.com/heiko

Email: heiko

[Guest guest]

It's my understanding that healthcare in China is very inexpensive compared

to here in the States. According to my Chinese professors, it is fairly

common to see an individual several times per week for acupuncture

treatments --all for what amounts to be a couple dollars per visit (I can't

remember the exact amount, but it's in that ballpark!). Herbs, also, are

extremely inexpensive; though the quality is usually less than the " export

quality " herbs we see here in the West. By comparison, a $40-$100 office

visit here in the West is incomprehensible in the East (Chengdu, in this

case). More than once, I've seen the faces of the Chinese faculty express a

feeling of shock upon hearing the US rates for the first time.

This may seem disheartening to the average US acupunturist, wondering if

their able to provide the best Chinese medicine care possible despite the

cost limitations their patients may have. Fortunately, Chinese medicine

WORKS AND is a tremedous value; even at one or two visits per week.

Thaddeus Jacobs, N. D.

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Luke Klincewicz <l.klincewicz

 

Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:44 PM

Frequency of Treatment

 

 

> I'm sincerely curious regarding treatment frequency and how this effects

> treatment strategies and methodologies. I would appreciate all comments

> comparing how frequently patients are seen in China vs. how frequently

they

> are seen in the rest of the world.

>

> Personally, I find that most patients are rarely willing to come more than

> once or twice per week.

>

> luke

>

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[Guest guest]

Ken, how often do you see your patients for Tui Na treatments and for how

long??? What is the duration of a treatment session? Eti

 

 

 

Quoting Cosmic Dragon LLC <yulong:

 

> > Thanks for the replies,

> >

> > So do you, Ken, see patients daily?

> >

>

> Luke,

>

> I don't practice acupuncture here in the states, and I don't

> prefer to practice acupuncture at all. In my estimation,

> acupuncture is a fairly limited modality. I stress that this

> is my personal estimation and is based more on my own

> strengths and weaknesses than on anything else.

> It is not meant as an evaluation of acupuncture.

>

> There are definitely times when only a well placed needle

> or two will do.

>

> In more general terms, I cleave to the advice contained in

> the Nei Jing that suggest that treating patients with needles

> and herbs after they have developed illnesses is comparable

> to the behavior of those who only start to dig a well after

> they feel thirsty or to those who only think of forging

> weapons after they are engaged in battle. Too late.

>

> Thus I prefer to educate people about the cultivation of

> qi and teach people Taijiquan so that they can

> treat themselves before they get sick. The bulk of my

> clinical experience is in sports medicine, orthopedics,

> traumatology and geriatrics. My preferred modality

> when dealing with people's problems is tui na.

>

> Ken

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello Z'ev,

Thanks for commenting on this issue. I am a novice

acupuncturist/hebalist and I try, as others do, to maximize the

therapeutic effects of both acupuncture and herbs for my patients.

> Especially if one practices a channel-based acupuncture, employing

the qi

> qing ba mai/eight extraordinary vessels, wu shu xue/five

transporting

> points, or divergent channels, and using the open points and 24

hour

time

> clock, the results can be very profound.

The use of open points is very interesting and for myself, an area

where I have very little knowledge. I have been reading Taoist

Acupuncture from Blue Poppy and also have been testing out the use of

open points as described in the blue poppy calendar. Can you tell me

when these treatments are most appropriate? Are they needled

bilaterally or not? Is shou fa/needle technique neccesary?

Thanks for your comments and also foe referring me to

zhongwen.com--great site . I picked up the book " Chinese Charatcters:

Geneology and Dictionary " and I think it is really helping my studies

of zhongwen/chinese characters.

>

Regards

 

Aris Skaliotis

[Guest guest]

Aris,

I use these points throughout the day as I see patients, always keeping

a calendar of open points handy in the clinic. Sometimes I use it more

than others. I tend to use even technique, or what Li Dong-yuan calls

'communicating essence', which means to gently arrive at the qi and let the

needle do the rest. For extraordinary master couple points, wu shu xue and

divergent channel points, I tend to needle unilaterally, using thin

japanese #1 or # 3 needles.

What I enjoy about the dictionary is that one can learn characters in

families, based on the major radicals.

 

 

 

 

>Hello Z'ev,

>Thanks for commenting on this issue. I am a novice

>acupuncturist/hebalist and I try, as others do, to maximize the

>therapeutic effects of both acupuncture and herbs for my patients.

>> Especially if one practices a channel-based acupuncture, employing

>the qi

>> qing ba mai/eight extraordinary vessels, wu shu xue/five

>transporting

>> points, or divergent channels, and using the open points and 24

>hour

>time

>> clock, the results can be very profound.

>The use of open points is very interesting and for myself, an area

>where I have very little knowledge. I have been reading Taoist

>Acupuncture from Blue Poppy and also have been testing out the use of

>open points as described in the blue poppy calendar. Can you tell me

>when these treatments are most appropriate? Are they needled

>bilaterally or not? Is shou fa/needle technique neccesary?

>Thanks for your comments and also foe referring me to

>zhongwen.com--great site . I picked up the book " Chinese Charatcters:

>Geneology and Dictionary " and I think it is really helping my studies

>of zhongwen/chinese characters.

>>

>Regards

>

>Aris Skaliotis

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/8/00 2:48:30 PM, drtjacobs writes:

 

<< It's my understanding that healthcare in China is very inexpensive compared

to here in the States. According to my Chinese professors, it is fairly

common to see an individual several times per week for acupuncture

treatments --all for what amounts to be a couple dollars per visit >>

 

WE can have that too, if we go for nationalized healthcare!

David

[Guest guest]

David, a couple of dollars per visit is about a weeks pay.

Average income is less than $100 per month

 

BTW there is no nationalized healthcare in China. If you work for a company

that has the money they pay for your care. If the company does not have

money or closes down you pay - or your family pays. NO hospital will accept

you without payment. Emergency or not.

 

Many people can not afford herbs or treatment. Children usually take care of

their aged parents. Now since China's One Child policy that should put a

real burden on their " social security " .

 

In America - everyone without exception - can afford (bulk) herbs. Here it

is a matter of priority. Not a choice between food or medicinal herbs.

American Emergency rooms are full with people who have a stomach ache or

headache (as well as gunshots and knife wounds) But and in any medical

emergency no one in the U.S. will be turned away - and you can go back for

your meds until the condition is resolved. You don't have to give a name.

The problem is that they don't pay for " Chinese Herbs "

 

I haven't been to China (PRC) since 1994. But I will be there this July

(TianJin #1 Teaching Hospital) Maybe things have gotten better.

 

BTW, when I was there all the people were incrediatly generous.

 

Ed Kasper L.Ac., Santa Cruz, California

 

 

acuman1 [acuman1]

Sunday, June 11, 2000 2:22 PM

 

Re: Frequency of Treatment

 

 

 

In a message dated 6/8/00 2:48:30 PM, drtjacobs writes:

 

<< It's my understanding that healthcare in China is very inexpensive

compared

to here in the States. According to my Chinese professors, it is fairly

common to see an individual several times per week for acupuncture

treatments --all for what amounts to be a couple dollars per visit >>

 

WE can have that too, if we go for nationalized healthcare!

David

 

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In a message dated 6/11/00 6:09:27 PM, Health writes:

 

<< David, a couple of dollars per visit is about a weeks pay.

Average income is less than $100 per month

 

BTW there is no nationalized healthcare in China. If you work for a company

that has the money they pay for your care. If the company does not have

money or closes down you pay - or your family pays. NO hospital will accept

you without payment. Emergency or not. >>

 

If you go thru school and get a job at a unit, you purportedly have the job

for life unless you quit, at which time the unit no longer pays for you

health care. If units go out of business, they try and get those workers

other jobs in other units or co-ops.

In a way, it is nationalized health care, if only because it is a communist

country. In a way, it isn't. They don't have a British scheme. This is true.

Someone pays at all times, but the same is true in the US or Britain, isn't

it?

 

As for the couple of dollars a day, the question is whether anyone makes do

with only their salary. My brother in law, for instance, gets a total of

1/10th of his income from his job at his unit....

 

As a result, yes it is true that people make very little by our standards,

altho most supplement their incomes in whatever way they can (why is there

graft?) and no, there is not necesarily nationalized healthcare, altho all

units are required to provide healthcare and almost everyone works in a unit.

 

David

[Guest guest]

Z'ev

 

> Actually,

> I am surprised at some of the responses.

> While I understand the use of frequent repetitions of treatment in

> acute-care clinics in China and elsewhere, I cannot agree with Ken, Todd

or

> some other people on this list that acupuncture is a 'limited modality',

or

> that acupuncture needs to be used daily or several times a week to be

> effective.

 

As I said in my earlier post on this subject, I was primarily commenting

on my own predilections and recognize that these develop from my

personal strengths and weaknesses. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that

since the practice of medicine is an art, it only develops in each

individual according to his or her own capacities, understandings, and

skills.

 

The only objective comment I can make concerning the limits of

acupuncture is to relate the fact that among the 3,000+ outpatients

who visited in the clinics of the hospital attached to CDUTCM each

day while I was there, perhaps 200-300 came for acupuncture. This

is just one definition of " limited. "

 

> I have practiced acumoxatherapy for 18 years alongside herbal medicine,

and

> see daily what a powerful modality it is. For most of my patients, I

treat

> only every 10-14 days, acute problems once or twice a week. I see that

the

> effects of treatment last and are cumulative, and that overtreatment is

> worse than undertreatment.

>

> Especially if one practices a channel-based acupuncture, employing the qi

> qing ba mai/eight extraordinary vessels, wu shu xue/five transporting

> points, or divergent channels, and using the open points and 24 hour time

> clock, the results can be very profound.

 

I have witnessed and personally experienced profound results from

acupuncture. By referring to it as a limited modality, I mean primarily

to underscore its relationship with herbal medicine as I came to understand

the way the both are studied and practiced in China today. I also mean

that acupuncture is limited in the scope of conditions for which it is

ideally suited to treat compared to herbal medicine. Again, this is not

meant in terms of the potential of either acupuncture as a modality or

of any particular practitioner of it. It is meant as a reflection of the way

that the Chinese, on balance, go about Chinese medicine, in my limited

experience with it.

 

I would also suggest that acupuncture is limited in another sense with

respect to herbal medicine by virtue of its dependence on fundamental

theoretical considerations that were likely first developed and cultivated

by herbalists rather than by acupuncturists. The use of plants and animals

for their medicinal not only nutritive purposes is, after all, far more

fundamental and therefore far older than the use of even stone or bone

needles to manipulate the body, its substances and forces.

 

But none of this suggests that acupuncture is by virtue of being thus

limited in any way inferior. As I said, the practice of medicine is an

art. The performance of an artist is primarily monitored by his or her

devotion to a chosen craft. I myself chose to pursue a modality of

treatment that is, in many ways, extremely limited both with respect

to acupuncture and herbal medicine. But tui na has its distinct

advantages, and after exposure to various approaches to clinical

medicine, I made my choice based upon an assessment of my

own skills and my weaknesses and how they could be developed

and minimized, respectively.

 

> Acumoxatherapy can accomplish what herbal medicine cannot, and visa versa.

> I couldn't think of abandoning either method, the benefits of each for my

> patients are too great.

 

I'm not quite sure where the idea of abandoning anything came into

this. Benefit to the patient is and always should be the gold standard

of medicine.

 

Ken

[Guest guest]

>

>The only objective comment I can make concerning the limits of

>acupuncture is to relate the fact that among the 3,000+ outpatients

>who visited in the clinics of the hospital attached to CDUTCM each

>day while I was there, perhaps 200-300 came for acupuncture. This

>is just one definition of " limited. "

 

There is no doubt that acupuncture is a limited modality in the context of

the health car system in China at the present time.

>

 

>

>I would also suggest that acupuncture is limited in another sense with

>respect to herbal medicine by virtue of its dependence on fundamental

>theoretical considerations that were likely first developed and cultivated

>by herbalists rather than by acupuncturists. The use of plants and animals

>for their medicinal not only nutritive purposes is, after all, far more

>fundamental and therefore far older than the use of even stone or bone

>needles to manipulate the body, its substances and forces.

 

 

>

I think herbal medicine and acumoxatherapy are complimentary, and benefit

each other. Acupuncture works more quickly, in my experience in balancing

channels, pulses, and the timing of the body and mind vis a vis circadian

rhythms. Herbal medicine is deeper acting in somatic, fundamental changes

to the fluids, blood, tissues and viscera.

 

 

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Dear Sir / Madam,

 

Atma Namaste.

 

I have not received any response from

for my earlier communications.

But because of the urgent need

I request your good self to help by clarifying the following doubt.

 

My doubt now is:

 

My wife has partial heart blockage.

According to our Practical Hand Book 'Advanced Pranic Healing' (Page 155-158)

the process is required to be repeated three times a week.

But to hasten the process, if I prefer to do it every day

for the first few weeks does it amount over dozing. Is it harmful?

 

With regards

V.J.Thirumalai

============================================

 

 

Dear Mr. V.J.,

 

Atma namaste.

 

The best advise would be to follow the suggested standard frequency of treatment

given in the book of Master Choa Kok Sui. If you wish to increase the frequency

and avoid over energizing, you must scan the patient's energy body before

treatment to determine if the energy has become diseased and therefore require

another treatment.

 

Scanning before during and after treatment is very important in order to avoid

over energizing or congesting the patient's energy body. Over energizing

results in similar side effects as under energizing therefore not beneficial to

the patient's well-being.

 

Love,

 

Marilette

 

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complement it. If symptoms persist or if the ailment is severe, please consult

immediately a medical doctor and a Certified Pranic Healer.

2. Pranic Healers who are are not medical doctors should not prescribe nor

interfere with prescribed medications and/or medical treatments. ~ Master Choa

Kok Sui

 

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