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In a message dated 24/02/2003 19:02:52 GMT Standard Time,

twomtns2002 writes:

 

 

> Sometimes the liver will stress when it is picking up an overload from

> another organ. By treating the liver you might not get to the root of the

> problem. Spleen can give a hint sometimes.

>

 

Yes, trying to treat the spleen, even gently with a lot of digestive support

seemd to 'damage' or otherwise upset the liver. Don't know what that tells me

though!

 

Jackie

 

 

 

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In a message dated 24/02/2003 17:12:06 GMT Standard Time,

bbcarter writes:

 

 

 

 

> Liv qi yu can lead to Liv xue xu.

 

Is this liver qi excess can lead to liver blood deficiency? I don't really

understand liver blood deficiency yet, but I've had a few bells go off

reading stuff.

 

> Liv fire can burn the Liv yin.

 

Yup.

 

> Liv yin xu can lead to Liv empty heat.

 

Yup.

 

>

> There are herbs that are used to move the Liv

> qi without depleting the blood- mei gui hua, fo shou,

>

 

Thanks I'll look at those.

 

 

>

> Chai Hu was considered (by Ye Tian shi was it?)

> to " plunder the yin. " That means that using it

> long-term to move the qi can deplete the yin.

 

 

Ah that's interesting.

 

>

> You cannot throw away pattern differentiation and

> applying the right medicinals according to their functions

> without causing more disease.

 

 

No, I'm hoping Michael McIntyre can suss it out and formulate something

appropriate. He's back from the US tommorrow i think.

 

Thanks

 

Jackie

 

 

 

 

 

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Talk about moistening the liver, try some raw aloe!! The liver is one of the

tricky organs to treat. Alot of diseases wil stress the liver, and stress on the

liver from a diagnostic standpoint is a good one to test using test points on

the foot. Sometimes the liver will stress when it is picking up an overload from

another organ. By treating the liver you might not get to the root of the

problem. Spleen can give a hint sometimes.

 

Brian Carter <bbcarter wrote:Jackie,

 

Great question- I'll tell you what I was taught,

and what I've read.

 

Liv qi yu can lead to Liv xue xu.

Liv fire can burn the Liv yin.

Liv yin xu can lead to Liv empty heat.

 

There are herbs that are used to move the Liv

qi without depleting the blood- mei gui hua, fo shou,

and another one I forget.

 

Chai Hu was considered (by Ye Tian shi was it?)

to " plunder the yin. " That means that using it

long-term to move the qi can deplete the yin.

 

Qin Bowei wrote some great essays on the Liver

and its treatment- you can get the book translated

by Charles Chace...

 

Qin Bowei said sour and sweet medicinals can either

drain or supplement the Liver- but you drain or supplement

based on the patterns. He emphasizes the flavors more

than we do.

 

He talks about emoliating (moistening) the Liver in cases

where misuse of Liv qi moving herbs has damaging the Liver

(xue or yin, I would assume).

 

Keep in mind that the herbs that drain/clear liver heat

(e.g. long dan cao, zhi zi, xia ku cao, etc.) are

bitter and could injure the Spleen qi. Too much of that,

and a deficient Spleen would invite attack by the Liver

according to the 5 phases- so you'd end up with a Liver

excess after trying to drain a Liver excess!

 

You cannot throw away pattern differentiation and

applying the right medicinals according to their functions

without causing more disease.

 

B

 

 

 

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Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:46:28 EST

jackiejataylor

Liver treatments

 

Of the possible liver syndromes - stagnation, yin deficiency, wind/fire, yang

rising etc would any of them react badly to herbs meant for another liver

syndrome? For instance, would herbs for liver qi stagnation worsen any or all

other liver conditions?

 

Jackie

 

 

 

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In a message dated 24/02/2003 17:12:06 GMT Standard Time,

bbcarter writes:

 

 

> There are herbs that are used to move the Liv

> qi without depleting the blood- mei gui hua, fo shou,

> and another one I forget.

 

 

These both sound appropriate, particularly the first:

 

Fo Shou

PUNGENT, BITTER - WARM

Dosage: 3 - 9g.

Finger Citron Fruit

LIVER, LUNG, STOMACH, SPLEEN

-regulate soothe liver Qi – rib pain and distention, belching-

 

harmonize stomach, strengthen spleen – epigastric pain and distention, lack

of appetite, belching vomiting

 

-dries damp, transform phlegm – chronic cough with phlegm and chest pain

 

 

 

Mei Gui Hua (Rosa rugosa)

 

Part Used Flower Buds

Main function Herb for Qi Stagnation

Thermal qual. Warm

Taste Sweet, slightly bitter

Meridians Entered Sp, Lv

Functions

Regulates, disperses Stagnant Qi

Effective for pain due to Stagnant Liver Qi

Used for pain/tightness in the chest, period pain, PMS

Astringes, controls diarrhea

Also use to treat depression

 

Is Liver qi depression the same as liver qi stagnation? I came to a tentative

conclusion via a deduction of all the western medical information, and

apparently fatty liver in insulin resistance corresponds to several liver

pictures in TCM, particulalry beginning with liver qi depression (Bob Flaws)

 

Jackie

 

 

 

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> Liv qi yu can lead to Liv xue xu.

> Liv fire can burn the Liv yin.

> Liv yin xu can lead to Liv empty heat.

>

> There are herbs that are used to move the Liv

> qi without depleting the blood- mei gui hua, fo shou,

> and another one I forget.

>

> Chai Hu was considered (by Ye Tian shi was it?)

> to " plunder the yin. " That means that using it

> long-term to move the qi can deplete the yin.

>

> Qin Bowei wrote some great essays on the Liver

> and its treatment- you can get the book translated

> by Charles Chace...

>

> Qin Bowei said sour and sweet medicinals can either

> drain or supplement the Liver- but you drain or supplement

> based on the patterns. He emphasizes the flavors more

> than we do.

>

> He talks about emoliating (moistening) the Liver in cases

> where misuse of Liv qi moving herbs has damaging the Liver

> (xue or yin, I would assume).

>

> Keep in mind that the herbs that drain/clear liver heat

> (e.g. long dan cao, zhi zi, xia ku cao, etc.) are

> bitter and could injure the Spleen qi. Too much of that,

> and a deficient Spleen would invite attack by the Liver

> according to the 5 phases- so you'd end up with a Liver

> excess after trying to drain a Liver excess!

>

> You cannot throw away pattern differentiation and

> applying the right medicinals according to their functions

> without causing more disease.

 

Thanks, Brian. There's still a lot for me to learn too.

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Dear Marilette,

GURUDVAYE NAMO,

Kindly reffer the message no. 2850.

While energizing the lever ,what should be the ratio

of the colour pranas used? F or A OLD

LADY OF 66 HOW MUCH SHOULD SHE BE energizesed?

 

I am already applying thwe protocal. but I can not say

that there is any noticible improvement, only the

enery body has improved

quite alot & that definitely is a good sign.

om noamo gurudev namo

 

 

Bishwanath

 

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Dear Bishwanath,

 

Namaste.

 

Thank you for your email.

 

1. Step number 3 of message 2850.

Localized thorough cleansing on the front and back

solar plexus and the liver alternately with LWG and

ordinary LWV. Rescan.

 

Energize the liver directly with LWG, LWO then LWR.

 

Energize the solar plexus chakra with LWG then with

ordinary LWV.

 

 

2. The ratio of LWG, LWO, LWR is 2:1:1

 

 

3. Unless very weak, a person at 66 years old is not

very old and may be energizied by impregnating the

energizing prana with lots of loving energy.

 

 

4. The energy body is the mold of the material

physical body. If substantial improvement is

happening in the energy body, then the resulting

product of the mold, the physical body will naturally

follow. Since this person's condition is chronic and

severe, lag time in the physicalization of the healing

may take a little longer.

 

 

Love,

 

Marilette

 

 

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