Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 In a message dated 24/02/2003 19:02:52 GMT Standard Time, twomtns2002 writes: > Sometimes the liver will stress when it is picking up an overload from > another organ. By treating the liver you might not get to the root of the > problem. Spleen can give a hint sometimes. > Yes, trying to treat the spleen, even gently with a lot of digestive support seemd to 'damage' or otherwise upset the liver. Don't know what that tells me though! Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 In a message dated 24/02/2003 17:12:06 GMT Standard Time, bbcarter writes: > Liv qi yu can lead to Liv xue xu. Is this liver qi excess can lead to liver blood deficiency? I don't really understand liver blood deficiency yet, but I've had a few bells go off reading stuff. > Liv fire can burn the Liv yin. Yup. > Liv yin xu can lead to Liv empty heat. Yup. > > There are herbs that are used to move the Liv > qi without depleting the blood- mei gui hua, fo shou, > Thanks I'll look at those. > > Chai Hu was considered (by Ye Tian shi was it?) > to " plunder the yin. " That means that using it > long-term to move the qi can deplete the yin. Ah that's interesting. > > You cannot throw away pattern differentiation and > applying the right medicinals according to their functions > without causing more disease. No, I'm hoping Michael McIntyre can suss it out and formulate something appropriate. He's back from the US tommorrow i think. Thanks Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Talk about moistening the liver, try some raw aloe!! The liver is one of the tricky organs to treat. Alot of diseases wil stress the liver, and stress on the liver from a diagnostic standpoint is a good one to test using test points on the foot. Sometimes the liver will stress when it is picking up an overload from another organ. By treating the liver you might not get to the root of the problem. Spleen can give a hint sometimes. Brian Carter <bbcarter wrote:Jackie, Great question- I'll tell you what I was taught, and what I've read. Liv qi yu can lead to Liv xue xu. Liv fire can burn the Liv yin. Liv yin xu can lead to Liv empty heat. There are herbs that are used to move the Liv qi without depleting the blood- mei gui hua, fo shou, and another one I forget. Chai Hu was considered (by Ye Tian shi was it?) to " plunder the yin. " That means that using it long-term to move the qi can deplete the yin. Qin Bowei wrote some great essays on the Liver and its treatment- you can get the book translated by Charles Chace... Qin Bowei said sour and sweet medicinals can either drain or supplement the Liver- but you drain or supplement based on the patterns. He emphasizes the flavors more than we do. He talks about emoliating (moistening) the Liver in cases where misuse of Liv qi moving herbs has damaging the Liver (xue or yin, I would assume). Keep in mind that the herbs that drain/clear liver heat (e.g. long dan cao, zhi zi, xia ku cao, etc.) are bitter and could injure the Spleen qi. Too much of that, and a deficient Spleen would invite attack by the Liver according to the 5 phases- so you'd end up with a Liver excess after trying to drain a Liver excess! You cannot throw away pattern differentiation and applying the right medicinals according to their functions without causing more disease. B Brian Benjamin Carter Editor, The Pulse of Oriental Medicine Columnist, Acupuncture Today The PULSE of Oriental Medicine: Alternative Medicine You Can Understand http://www.pulsemed.org/ The General Public's Guide to Chinese Medicine since 1999... 8 Experts, 100+ Articles, 115,000+ readers.... Our free e-zine BEING WELL keeps you up to date with the latest greatest PULSE articles. Sign up NOW. Send a blank email to: beingwellnewsletter- Message: 2 Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:46:28 EST jackiejataylor Liver treatments Of the possible liver syndromes - stagnation, yin deficiency, wind/fire, yang rising etc would any of them react badly to herbs meant for another liver syndrome? For instance, would herbs for liver qi stagnation worsen any or all other liver conditions? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 In a message dated 24/02/2003 17:12:06 GMT Standard Time, bbcarter writes: > There are herbs that are used to move the Liv > qi without depleting the blood- mei gui hua, fo shou, > and another one I forget. These both sound appropriate, particularly the first: Fo Shou PUNGENT, BITTER - WARM Dosage: 3 - 9g. Finger Citron Fruit LIVER, LUNG, STOMACH, SPLEEN -regulate soothe liver Qi – rib pain and distention, belching- harmonize stomach, strengthen spleen – epigastric pain and distention, lack of appetite, belching vomiting -dries damp, transform phlegm – chronic cough with phlegm and chest pain Mei Gui Hua (Rosa rugosa) Part Used Flower Buds Main function Herb for Qi Stagnation Thermal qual. Warm Taste Sweet, slightly bitter Meridians Entered Sp, Lv Functions Regulates, disperses Stagnant Qi Effective for pain due to Stagnant Liver Qi Used for pain/tightness in the chest, period pain, PMS Astringes, controls diarrhea Also use to treat depression Is Liver qi depression the same as liver qi stagnation? I came to a tentative conclusion via a deduction of all the western medical information, and apparently fatty liver in insulin resistance corresponds to several liver pictures in TCM, particulalry beginning with liver qi depression (Bob Flaws) Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 > Liv qi yu can lead to Liv xue xu. > Liv fire can burn the Liv yin. > Liv yin xu can lead to Liv empty heat. > > There are herbs that are used to move the Liv > qi without depleting the blood- mei gui hua, fo shou, > and another one I forget. > > Chai Hu was considered (by Ye Tian shi was it?) > to " plunder the yin. " That means that using it > long-term to move the qi can deplete the yin. > > Qin Bowei wrote some great essays on the Liver > and its treatment- you can get the book translated > by Charles Chace... > > Qin Bowei said sour and sweet medicinals can either > drain or supplement the Liver- but you drain or supplement > based on the patterns. He emphasizes the flavors more > than we do. > > He talks about emoliating (moistening) the Liver in cases > where misuse of Liv qi moving herbs has damaging the Liver > (xue or yin, I would assume). > > Keep in mind that the herbs that drain/clear liver heat > (e.g. long dan cao, zhi zi, xia ku cao, etc.) are > bitter and could injure the Spleen qi. Too much of that, > and a deficient Spleen would invite attack by the Liver > according to the 5 phases- so you'd end up with a Liver > excess after trying to drain a Liver excess! > > You cannot throw away pattern differentiation and > applying the right medicinals according to their functions > without causing more disease. Thanks, Brian. There's still a lot for me to learn too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Dear Marilette, GURUDVAYE NAMO, Kindly reffer the message no. 2850. While energizing the lever ,what should be the ratio of the colour pranas used? F or A OLD LADY OF 66 HOW MUCH SHOULD SHE BE energizesed? I am already applying thwe protocal. but I can not say that there is any noticible improvement, only the enery body has improved quite alot & that definitely is a good sign. om noamo gurudev namo Bishwanath ====================================== Dear Bishwanath, Namaste. Thank you for your email. 1. Step number 3 of message 2850. Localized thorough cleansing on the front and back solar plexus and the liver alternately with LWG and ordinary LWV. Rescan. Energize the liver directly with LWG, LWO then LWR. Energize the solar plexus chakra with LWG then with ordinary LWV. 2. The ratio of LWG, LWO, LWR is 2:1:1 3. Unless very weak, a person at 66 years old is not very old and may be energizied by impregnating the energizing prana with lots of loving energy. 4. The energy body is the mold of the material physical body. If substantial improvement is happening in the energy body, then the resulting product of the mold, the physical body will naturally follow. Since this person's condition is chronic and severe, lag time in the physicalization of the healing may take a little longer. Love, Marilette Source materials for all MCKS Pranic Healing protocols are taken from the following books by Master Choa Kok Sui: * Miracles Through Pranic Healing * Advanced Pranic Healing * Pranic Psychotherapy * Pranic Crystal Healing. NOTICE: 1. Pranic Healing is not intended to replace orthodox medicine, but rather to complement it. If symptoms persist or if the ailment is severe, please consult immediately a medical doctor and a Certified Pranic Healer. 2. Pranic Healers who are are not medical doctors should not prescribe nor interfere with prescribed medications and/or medical treatments. ~ Master Choa Kok Sui " Miracles do not happen in contradiction to nature, but only to that which is known to us in nature. " ~ St. Augustine Ask or read the up to date Pranic Healing protocols by joining the group through http://health./ MCKS Pranic Healing gateway website: http://www.pranichealing.org. ______________________________\ ____ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. http://smallbusiness./r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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