Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together.... chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent) dishwashing soap beer coca cola (for the sugar) ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate) epsom salt There were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Also, I accidentally froze a big bunch of diakon radishes (my kids' favorites) - will they still taste the same raw when I defrost them or do I need to plan on putting them in soup? THX , cyndikrall wrote: > > > You guys have done a very good thing! I can't wait to see the pics and the > video! ;-) > > Ok, yesterday, I froze 4 quarts of green beans, and 5 gallon bags of Swiss > Chard. I planted a row of wax beans, and a row of salad greens. Tonight I'll > plant a row of green beans, a row of radishes, and a row of black eyed peas. > :-) > > Cyndi > > In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:11:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > stringweaver writes: > > > > Thanks to networking and the internet. A friend of a friend works at a vet > diagnostic lab and advised my friend on how to treat the pneumothorax. I > have no idea what that is, except seeing it often on the ER tv show with trauma > patients. Basically the chest cavity fills with air. He had to puncture her > several times, poking a needle under the skin. As she got better, exercise > kept the problem in control, until whatever caused it healed. > > He found the formula recipe online. She would have had developmental > problems if fed on a diet of straight nectar and no protein. > > She's a riot now. We do hummingbird juggling. Throw her into the air and > put up a hand for her to land on-though usually she flies off to the window or > the top of my camera. After a session, she's ready for a nap, a feed, a > preen and then more flying practice. She's getting practice drinking from a > hummingbird feeder. > > I sure will miss her, but I'm confident when she's ready to be released > she'll be able to make it as well as any youngster. > > Ellen > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review? ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Sounds like Jerry Baker. Personally I wouldn't follow his advice. Nicotine is a poisin for starters. My grandfather used it to kill poision ivy. Compost is great og fertilzer. Does your library have something on og gardening/pest control.Rodale publishes some good ones. Some websites have great info too. I don't know where you live but Maryland Cooperative Extension Service has some great websites. For plant diagnostics: > > http://plantdiagnostics.umd.edu/index.cfm > > You can download pictures of conditions there, and for general gardening: > > http://www.hgic.umd.edu/index.cfm > Lara <> >Barb [FirstYrs08] >8/16/2008 12:31:07 AM > >Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions > >we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, >probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). >Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I >question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list >what i can remember all together.... > >chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent) >dishwashing soap >beer >coca cola (for the sugar) >ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate) >epsom salt > >There were other things like plant food, egg shells, mulch that I >wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic >gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing >soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and >not sure about the other stuff. > >Also, I accidentally froze a big bunch of diakon radishes (my kids' >favorites) - will they still taste the same raw when I defrost them >or do I need to plan on putting them in soup? THX > , cyndikrall wrote: >> >> >> You guys have done a very good thing! I can't wait to see the pics >and the >> video! ;-) >> >> Ok, yesterday, I froze 4 quarts of green beans, and 5 gallon bags >of Swiss >> Chard. I planted a row of wax beans, and a row of salad greens. >Tonight I'll >> plant a row of green beans, a row of radishes, and a row of black >eyed peas. >> :-) >> >> Cyndi >> >> In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:11:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> stringweaver writes: >> >> >> >> Thanks to networking and the internet. A friend of a friend works >at a vet >> diagnostic lab and advised my friend on how to treat the >pneumothorax. I >> have no idea what that is, except seeing it often on the ER tv >show with trauma >> patients. Basically the chest cavity fills with air. He had to >puncture her >> several times, poking a needle under the skin. As she got better, >exercise >> kept the problem in control, until whatever caused it healed. >> >> He found the formula recipe online. She would have had >developmental >> problems if fed on a diet of straight nectar and no protein. >> >> She's a riot now. We do hummingbird juggling. Throw her into the >air and >> put up a hand for her to land on-though usually she flies off to >the window or >> the top of my camera. After a session, she's ready for a nap, a >feed, a >> preen and then more flying practice. She's getting practice >drinking from a >> hummingbird feeder. >> >> I sure will miss her, but I'm confident when she's ready to be >released >> she'll be able to make it as well as any youngster. >> >> Ellen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review? >ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) >> > > > >Messages in this topic (21) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic >Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar >"Let food be your medicine" Hippocrates > >Change settings via the Web ( ID required) >Change settin > >=== message truncated === http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free).http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Nope, that doesn't sound like it is organic to me. I would never use any of those things that you listed. I find that the best things that work are the simple organic things they are less expensive and you don't have to go around finding someone who has a bad habit or start one yourself (ie: chewing). We have our own organic composed which is real easy, cheap and it gives us a place to throw our table scraps other then the trash. For bug control we use food grade diatomaceous earth. It costs very little, it is all natural, and poses no harm to people or animals. Even if eaten. If you have poor soil or live in an area where you can't have a composed, then you may have to look into buying organic products to help your plants. Please watch what you hear from others. It was wise of you to ask this group before you went out and use the things that video said on your garden. Take care and God Bless. Love, The Oklahoma Tomcat http://joneshomestead.tripod.com/My blog: http://thelifeofanoklhahomatomcat.blogspot.com/My : jonesfamilyhomestead/--------The only thing worse than hearing the alarm clock in the morningIs not hearing it. - Barb Friday, August 15, 2008 11:30 PM [RFSL] more gardening questions we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Also, I accidentally froze a big bunch of diakon radishes (my kids' favorites) - will they still taste the same raw when I defrost them or do I need to plan on putting them in soup? THX , cyndikrall wrote:>> > You guys have done a very good thing! I can't wait to see the pics and the > video! ;-)> > Ok, yesterday, I froze 4 quarts of green beans, and 5 gallon bags of Swiss > Chard. I planted a row of wax beans, and a row of salad greens. Tonight I'll > plant a row of green beans, a row of radishes, and a row of black eyed peas. > :-)> > Cyndi> > In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:11:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > stringweaver writes:> > > > Thanks to networking and the internet. A friend of a friend works at a vet > diagnostic lab and advised my friend on how to treat the pneumothorax. I > have no idea what that is, except seeing it often on the ER tv show with trauma > patients. Basically the chest cavity fills with air. He had to puncture her > several times, poking a needle under the skin. As she got better, exercise > kept the problem in control, until whatever caused it healed.> > He found the formula recipe online. She would have had developmental > problems if fed on a diet of straight nectar and no protein. > > She's a riot now. We do hummingbird juggling. Throw her into the air and > put up a hand for her to land on-though usually she flies off to the window or > the top of my camera. After a session, she's ready for a nap, a feed, a > preen and then more flying practice. She's getting practice drinking from a > hummingbird feeder.> > I sure will miss her, but I'm confident when she's ready to be released > she'll be able to make it as well as any youngster. > > Ellen> > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )>---"Let food be your medicine" Hippocrates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Was it a Jerry Baker video, by any chance? He always talks about using those things in the yard and the garden. The only thing I take exception with is the chewing tobacco juice. I think it's dangerous to get tobacco products near tomato plants, although I hear a lot of people talking about using them in their gardens. I would not do it myself, personally. The rest of the stuff? Couldn't hurt anything, although I don't know how much it would help. I know my husband tried a lot of JB's recipes for the lawn in the past. I don't think he saw any real improvement or benefit, so he eventually stopped it. As far as the radishes go, I doubt they will still be crunchy when they defrost, but I've never tried to freeze radishes. Cyndi :-) In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FirstYrs08 writes: we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Also, I accidentally froze a big bunch of diakon radishes (my kids' favorites) - will they still taste the same raw when I defrost them or do I need to plan on putting them in soup? THX Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Meat and dairy products should never be composted..... Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 10:45:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Dr. Bronners solution mixed with water is a good mild soap solution to use on your garden. Chewing Tobacco has over 4,000 chemicals added to it. I wouldn't put it anywhere near food. I wouldn't use corn syrup because it is heavily processed. Remember there are things in your compost that probably has sugars in it. There is fruit and milk. We compost everything into our garden that we don't eat. If you are looking to deter pests, look into planting plants for deterents. There are whole books out there and I hear it is the most effective. Coca-cola is also very acidic, so this could screw up your ph in the soil. Just some thoughts. M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 10:30 AM Was it a Jerry Baker video, by any chance? He always talks about using those things in the yard and the garden. The only thing I take exception with is the chewing tobacco juice. I think it's dangerous to get tobacco products near tomato plants, although I hear a lot of people talking about using them in their gardens. I would not do it myself, personally. The rest of the stuff? Couldn't hurt anything, although I don't know how much it would help. I know my husband tried a lot of JB's recipes for the lawn in the past. I don't think he saw any real improvement or benefit, so he eventually stopped it. As far as the radishes go, I doubt they will still be crunchy when they defrost, but I've never tried to freeze radishes. Cyndi :-) In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FirstYrs08 (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Also, I accidentally froze a big bunch of diakon radishes (my kids' favorites) - will they still taste the same raw when I defrost them or do I need to plan on putting them in soup? THX Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Messages in this topic (25) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Meat and dairy are high in fat, and decompose slowly. Unless you have a really hot pile, are dedicated to turning it every day, and blend up your meat and dairy products before adding them to the compost pile, I wouldn't do it. Plus, I have concerns about meat carrying salmonella, parasites, bacteria and other nasties. Attracting vermin, and smelling badly, as well. I'm sure people do it, I just would not, personally. Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 11:04:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Oh, how come no meat and dairy? M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 11:51 AM Meat and dairy products should never be composted... .. Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 10:45:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Dr. Bronners solution mixed with water is a good mild soap solution to use on your garden. Chewing Tobacco has over 4,000 chemicals added to it. I wouldn't put it anywhere near food. I wouldn't use corn syrup because it is heavily processed. Remember there are things in your compost that probably has sugars in it. There is fruit and milk. We compost everything into our garden that we don't eat. If you are looking to deter pests, look into planting plants for deterents. There are whole books out there and I hear it is the most effective. Coca-cola is also very acidic, so this could screw up your ph in the soil. Just some thoughts. M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questionsSaturday, August 16, 2008, 10:30 AM Was it a Jerry Baker video, by any chance? He always talks about using those things in the yard and the garden. The only thing I take exception with is the chewing tobacco juice. I think it's dangerous to get tobacco products near tomato plants, although I hear a lot of people talking about using them in their gardens. I would not do it myself, personally. The rest of the stuff? Couldn't hurt anything, although I don't know how much it would help. I know my husband tried a lot of JB's recipes for the lawn in the past. I don't think he saw any real improvement or benefit, so he eventually stopped it. As far as the radishes go, I doubt they will still be crunchy when they defrost, but I've never tried to freeze radishes. Cyndi :-) In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FirstYrs08 (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dr. Bronners solution mixed with water is a good mild soap solution to use on your garden. Chewing Tobacco has over 4,000 chemicals added to it. I wouldn't put it anywhere near food. I wouldn't use corn syrup because it is heavily processed. Remember there are things in your compost that probably has sugars in it. There is fruit and milk. We compost everything into our garden that we don't eat. If you are looking to deter pests, look into planting plants for deterents. There are whole books out there and I hear it is the most effective. Coca-cola is also very acidic, so this could screw up your ph in the soil. Just some thoughts. M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall <cyndikrall wrote: cyndikrall <cyndikrallRe: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 10:30 AM Was it a Jerry Baker video, by any chance? He always talks about using those things in the yard and the garden. The only thing I take exception with is the chewing tobacco juice. I think it's dangerous to get tobacco products near tomato plants, although I hear a lot of people talking about using them in their gardens. I would not do it myself, personally. The rest of the stuff? Couldn't hurt anything, although I don't know how much it would help. I know my husband tried a lot of JB's recipes for the lawn in the past. I don't think he saw any real improvement or benefit, so he eventually stopped it. As far as the radishes go, I doubt they will still be crunchy when they defrost, but I've never tried to freeze radishes. Cyndi :-) In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FirstYrs08 (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Also, I accidentally froze a big bunch of diakon radishes (my kids' favorites) - will they still taste the same raw when I defrost them or do I need to plan on putting them in soup? THX Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I am shocked! I would NEVER waste my precious kefir on the compost pile! Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 12:41:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gcliburn writes: i beg to differ on SOME dairy . i belong to a kefir group --- kefir is fermetned milk . and some folks there swear by using kefir , whey and such in their fertilizer and compost piles . appearently kefir + kefir whey are good for your plants and compost piles . soo , there are exceptions to the rule MARANATHA ! Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Please do give it to the dogs before it has a chance to start to rot. I hate to think what parasites or bacteria it could give the dogs if it's half rotten. Even at your elevation, the sun could spoil it before the dogs eat it. The foxes and coyotes are on their own. ;-) cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 12:50:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Yes, that is the dairy that I have put in the garden. As for the meat, my dog gets to it before it can compost anyway, so have just started giving her our meat. If my dog doesn't get it, the foxes or coyotes will. We are in the rocky mountains at 9500 ft and nothing gets very hot here. So, composting fats is out. ; ) M Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Oh, how come no meat and dairy? M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall <cyndikrall wrote: cyndikrall <cyndikrallRe: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 11:51 AM Meat and dairy products should never be composted... .. Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 10:45:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Dr. Bronners solution mixed with water is a good mild soap solution to use on your garden. Chewing Tobacco has over 4,000 chemicals added to it. I wouldn't put it anywhere near food. I wouldn't use corn syrup because it is heavily processed. Remember there are things in your compost that probably has sugars in it. There is fruit and milk. We compost everything into our garden that we don't eat. If you are looking to deter pests, look into planting plants for deterents. There are whole books out there and I hear it is the most effective. Coca-cola is also very acidic, so this could screw up your ph in the soil. Just some thoughts. M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questionsSaturday, August 16, 2008, 10:30 AM Was it a Jerry Baker video, by any chance? He always talks about using those things in the yard and the garden. The only thing I take exception with is the chewing tobacco juice. I think it's dangerous to get tobacco products near tomato plants, although I hear a lot of people talking about using them in their gardens. I would not do it myself, personally. The rest of the stuff? Couldn't hurt anything, although I don't know how much it would help. I know my husband tried a lot of JB's recipes for the lawn in the past. I don't think he saw any real improvement or benefit, so he eventually stopped it. As far as the radishes go, I doubt they will still be crunchy when they defrost, but I've never tried to freeze radishes. Cyndi :-) In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FirstYrs08 (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Also, I accidentally froze a big bunch of diakon radishes (my kids' favorites) - will they still taste the same raw when I defrost them or do I need to plan on putting them in soup? THX Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Messages in this topic (25) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 That is correct. Meats and dairy should never go into a compost because it doesn't breakdown easly. It just rots and sours. We have wild barn cats that we give these items to. Love, The Oklahoma Tomcat http://joneshomestead.tripod.com/My blog: http://thelifeofanoklhahomatomcat.blogspot.com/My : jonesfamilyhomestead/--------I believe - That just because two people argue, it doesn't mean they don't love each other. And just because they don't argue, it doesn'tmean they do. - cyndikrall Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:51 PM Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions Meat and dairy products should never be composted..... Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 10:45:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Dr. Bronners solution mixed with water is a good mild soap solution to use on your garden. Chewing Tobacco has over 4,000 chemicals added to it. I wouldn't put it anywhere near food. I wouldn't use corn syrup because it is heavily processed. Remember there are things in your compost that probably has sugars in it. There is fruit and milk. We compost everything into our garden that we don't eat. If you are looking to deter pests, look into planting plants for deterents. There are whole books out there and I hear it is the most effective. Coca-cola is also very acidic, so this could screw up your ph in the soil. Just some thoughts. M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 10:30 AM Was it a Jerry Baker video, by any chance? He always talks about using those things in the yard and the garden. The only thing I take exception with is the chewing tobacco juice. I think it's dangerous to get tobacco products near tomato plants, although I hear a lot of people talking about using them in their gardens. I would not do it myself, personally. The rest of the stuff? Couldn't hurt anything, although I don't know how much it would help. I know my husband tried a lot of JB's recipes for the lawn in the past. I don't think he saw any real improvement or benefit, so he eventually stopped it. As far as the radishes go, I doubt they will still be crunchy when they defrost, but I've never tried to freeze radishes. Cyndi :-) In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FirstYrs08 (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Also, I accidentally froze a big bunch of diakon radishes (my kids' favorites) - will they still taste the same raw when I defrost them or do I need to plan on putting them in soup? THX Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Messages in this topic (25) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 With meat or dairy being in a compost, you risk ruining your compost. The salmonella and other bad bacteria can spread through your compost. If you do your compost correctly, you shouldn't have flies. If you put meats or dairy into your compost it will quickly become a nest for flies and their eggs. Love, The Oklahoma Tomcat http://joneshomestead.tripod.com/My blog: http://thelifeofanoklhahomatomcat.blogspot.com/My : jonesfamilyhomestead/--------I believe - That just because two people argue, it doesn't mean they don't love each other. And just because they don't argue, it doesn'tmean they do. - cyndikrall Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:21 PM Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions Meat and dairy are high in fat, and decompose slowly. Unless you have a really hot pile, are dedicated to turning it every day, and blend up your meat and dairy products before adding them to the compost pile, I wouldn't do it. Plus, I have concerns about meat carrying salmonella, parasites, bacteria and other nasties. Attracting vermin, and smelling badly, as well. I'm sure people do it, I just would not, personally. Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 11:04:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Oh, how come no meat and dairy? M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 11:51 AM Meat and dairy products should never be composted... .. Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 10:45:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Dr. Bronners solution mixed with water is a good mild soap solution to use on your garden. Chewing Tobacco has over 4,000 chemicals added to it. I wouldn't put it anywhere near food. I wouldn't use corn syrup because it is heavily processed. Remember there are things in your compost that probably has sugars in it. There is fruit and milk. We compost everything into our garden that we don't eat. If you are looking to deter pests, look into planting plants for deterents. There are whole books out there and I hear it is the most effective. Coca-cola is also very acidic, so this could screw up your ph in the soil. Just some thoughts. M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questionsSaturday, August 16, 2008, 10:30 AM Was it a Jerry Baker video, by any chance? He always talks about using those things in the yard and the garden. The only thing I take exception with is the chewing tobacco juice. I think it's dangerous to get tobacco products near tomato plants, although I hear a lot of people talking about using them in their gardens. I would not do it myself, personally. The rest of the stuff? Couldn't hurt anything, although I don't know how much it would help. I know my husband tried a lot of JB's recipes for the lawn in the past. I don't think he saw any real improvement or benefit, so he eventually stopped it. As far as the radishes go, I doubt they will still be crunchy when they defrost, but I've never tried to freeze radishes. Cyndi :-) In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FirstYrs08 (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 i beg to differ on SOME dairy . i belong to a kefir group --- kefir is fermetned milk . and some folks there swear by using kefir , whey and such in their fertilizer and compost piles . appearently kefir + kefir whey are good for your plants and compost piles . soo , there are exceptions to the rule MARANATHA ! gabriele gcliburn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Thanks for the info. I compost directly into empty beds in the garden. I appreciate the tip! ; )--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall <cyndikrall wrote: cyndikrall <cyndikrallRe: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 12:21 PM Meat and dairy are high in fat, and decompose slowly. Unless you have a really hot pile, are dedicated to turning it every day, and blend up your meat and dairy products before adding them to the compost pile, I wouldn't do it. Plus, I have concerns about meat carrying salmonella, parasites, bacteria and other nasties. Attracting vermin, and smelling badly, as well. I'm sure people do it, I just would not, personally. Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 11:04:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Oh, how come no meat and dairy? M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questionsSaturday, August 16, 2008, 11:51 AM Meat and dairy products should never be composted... .. Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 10:45:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mishaun530 writes: Dr. Bronners solution mixed with water is a good mild soap solution to use on your garden. Chewing Tobacco has over 4,000 chemicals added to it. I wouldn't put it anywhere near food. I wouldn't use corn syrup because it is heavily processed. Remember there are things in your compost that probably has sugars in it. There is fruit and milk. We compost everything into our garden that we don't eat. If you are looking to deter pests, look into planting plants for deterents. There are whole books out there and I hear it is the most effective. Coca-cola is also very acidic, so this could screw up your ph in the soil. Just some thoughts. M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com <cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: [RFSL] more gardening questionsSaturday, August 16, 2008, 10:30 AM Was it a Jerry Baker video, by any chance? He always talks about using those things in the yard and the garden. The only thing I take exception with is the chewing tobacco juice. I think it's dangerous to get tobacco products near tomato plants, although I hear a lot of people talking about using them in their gardens. I would not do it myself, personally. The rest of the stuff? Couldn't hurt anything, although I don't know how much it would help. I know my husband tried a lot of JB's recipes for the lawn in the past. I don't think he saw any real improvement or benefit, so he eventually stopped it. As far as the radishes go, I doubt they will still be crunchy when they defrost, but I've never tried to freeze radishes. Cyndi :-) In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:30:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, FirstYrs08 (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: we rented a how to video on gardening from the library (yes, I know, probably should have done that before we planted our garden!). Anyways, he recommended added some things to the soil that I question.... there were about four different recipes but I'll list what i can remember all together....chewing tobacco juice (insect repellent)dishwashing soapbeercoca cola (for the sugar)ammonia (in only the recipe used to get seeds to germinate)epsom saltThere were other things like plant food, egg shells, & mulch that I wasn't as concerned about. Obviously, this was not an organic gardening video. I was thinking I could substitute the dishwashing soap with all natural DS, organic corn syrup for the coca cola, and not sure about the other stuff. Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Yes, that is the dairy that I have put in the garden. As for the meat, my dog gets to it before it can compost anyway, so have just started giving her our meat. If my dog doesn't get it, the foxes or coyotes will. We are in the rocky mountains at 9500 ft and nothing gets very hot here. So, composting fats is out. ; ) M--- On Sat, 8/16/08, gabriele <gcliburn wrote: gabriele <gcliburnRe: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:37 PM i beg to differ on SOME dairy . i belong to a kefir group --- kefir is fermetned milk . and some folks there swear by using kefir , whey and such in their fertilizer and compost piles . appearently kefir + kefir whey are good for your plants and compost piles . soo , there are exceptions to the rule MARANATHA ! gabriele gcliburn (AT) tampabay (DOT) rr.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 i agree .. just because i wrote OTHERS do it , does not mean I [ me , myself and I ] do it . but sometimes .... a compost pile would be a good choice for some older, out of date or otherwise unpleasant kefir ... MARANATHA ! gabriele gcliburn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I have to step in here. Reading the books and watching animal programs I know that if large prey animal is killed, the predators may eat it for several days. Big cats in Africa as well as wolves all over the world, are able to eat smelly, rotten, walking away with maggots carrion with impunity. Their digestive systems are perfectly designed to handle that. No fear for parasites either. They all perish in predators' strong digestive juices. That said, there is no reason we would want to feed rotten meat to our dogs or cats, but just wanted you to know that they would be able to handle it. Barbara Please do give it to the dogs before it has a chance to start to rot. I hate to think what parasites or bacteria it could give the dogs if it's half rotten. Even at your elevation, the sun could spoil it before the dogs eat it. The foxes and coyotes are on their own. ;-) cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 That's a completely different matter. Wild animals killing and eating fresh, wild game is a lot different than domestic dogs eating cooked rotting food, especially in our factory farmed meat supply. The parasites/bacteria in our domestic meats are not the same as what wild animals encounter. And wild animals DO die from diseases they contract from wild animals. I forget what it is-TB maybe? They talk about it on the Africam forums. Having said all that, I know feral and homeless dogs and cats eat garbage all the time and survive. Just not in a healthy manner. Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 7:20:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sweetspringfarm writes: On 8/16/08, Barbara <barbara3 (AT) tampabay (DOT) rr.com> wrote: I have to step in here. Reading the books and watching animal programs I know that if large prey animal is killed, the predators may eat it for several days. Big cats in Africa as well as wolves all over the world, are able to eat smelly, rotten, walking away with maggots carrion with impunity. Their digestive systems are perfectly designed to handle that. No fear for parasites either. They all perish in predators' strong digestive juices. That said, there is no reason we would want to feed rotten meat to our dogs or cats, but just wanted you to know that they would be able to handle it. Barbara Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 ROFL Barbara,I have guardian dogs. They hunt and don't eat what they hunt until it starts to smell. They prefer it well " aged " . I would rather they didn't, but . . .NormaOn 8/16/08, Barbara <barbara3 wrote: I have to step in here. Reading the books and watching animal programs I know that if large prey animal is killed, the predators may eat it for several days. Big cats in Africa as well as wolves all over the world, are able to eat smelly, rotten, walking away with maggots carrion with impunity. Their digestive systems are perfectly designed to handle that. No fear for parasites either. They all perish in predators' strong digestive juices. That said, there is no reason we would want to feed rotten meat to our dogs or cats, but just wanted you to know that they would be able to handle it. Barbara Please do give it to the dogs before it has a chance to start to rot. I hate to think what parasites or bacteria it could give the dogs if it's half rotten. Even at your elevation, the sun could spoil it before the dogs eat it. The foxes and coyotes are on their own. ;-) cyndi -- visit our farm site at:http://www.freewebs.com/sweetspringfarm/visit our stores at:http://sweetspringfarm.blujay.com/ http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=2738 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I know....Many dogs bury their bones only to dig them out a week later. They are aged for sure... LOL I also remember a program when a leopard came back to his meal in a tree a week later and the comment was that he rather enjoys his tender meal... Barbara ROFL Barbara,I have guardian dogs. They hunt and don't eat what they hunt until it starts to smell. They prefer it well "aged". I would rather they didn't, but . . .Norma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 No, we are talking about wild predators killing and eating the large game for several days and at the end of their feast that game is stinking to high heaven and moving around with maggots. That's what I was talking about. The only disease that I know about that wild animals are dying from is anthrax. Eating cooked meat is a different story and I have no experience with it. I never fed my dogs cooked meat. Barbara That's a completely different matter. Wild animals killing and eating fresh, wild game is a lot different than domestic dogs eating cooked rotting food, especially in our factory farmed meat supply. The parasites/bacteria in our domestic meats are not the same as what wild animals encounter. And wild animals DO die from diseases they contract from wild animals. I forget what it is-TB maybe? They talk about it on the Africam forums. Having said all that, I know feral and homeless dogs and cats eat garbage all the time and survive. Just not in a healthy manner. Cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 ROFL! Ok, now the mental images you have given me have damaged me. UGH. ;-)Cyndi In a message dated 8/17/2008 10:15:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jonesfamilyhomestead writes: lol, seeing some of the things my dogs and cats have eaten and drank out of the last thing I am worried about is them eating rotten food. Love, The Oklahoma Tomcat http://joneshomestead.tripod.com/My blog: http://thelifeofanoklhahomatomcat.blogspot.com/My : jonesfamilyhomestead/ Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 You've got me thinking now.....always dangerous, lol. I strain kefir for cheese, and always have tons of whey leftover. I wonder if i should be throwing it on the garden beds? What do you think?Cyndi In a message dated 8/16/2008 3:06:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gcliburn writes: i agree .. just because i wrote OTHERS do it , does not mean I [ me , myself and I ] do it . but sometimes .... a compost pile would be a good choice for some older, out of date or otherwise unpleasant kefir ... MARANATHA ! gabriele gcliburn (AT) tampabay (DOT) rr.com Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 lol, seeing some of the things my dogs and cats have eaten and drank out of the last thing I am worried about is them eating rotten food. Love, The Oklahoma Tomcat http://joneshomestead.tripod.com/My blog: http://thelifeofanoklhahomatomcat.blogspot.com/My : jonesfamilyhomestead/--------I believe - That just because two people argue, it doesn't mean they don't love each other. And just because they don't argue, it doesn'tmean they do. - Barbara Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:50 PM Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions I have to step in here. Reading the books and watching animal programs I know that if large prey animal is killed, the predators may eat it for several days. Big cats in Africa as well as wolves all over the world, are able to eat smelly, rotten, walking away with maggots carrion with impunity. Their digestive systems are perfectly designed to handle that. No fear for parasites either. They all perish in predators' strong digestive juices. That said, there is no reason we would want to feed rotten meat to our dogs or cats, but just wanted you to know that they would be able to handle it. Barbara Please do give it to the dogs before it has a chance to start to rot. I hate to think what parasites or bacteria it could give the dogs if it's half rotten. Even at your elevation, the sun could spoil it before the dogs eat it. The foxes and coyotes are on their own. ;-) cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 For those of you who are worried about the dog eating the meat and scraps from the compost, around here, I'd be surprised if it lasted an hour before someone got it. Our animals do contain the digestive neccessities to eat rotten meat, however, remember the deer in the wild aren't being raised in cattle lots and fed huge amounts of grain that destroys their health. So, don't forget to consider the type of meat. Once in a while, the dog will drag a deer leg out of the trees and I'm always surprised to see how clean it is. No flies, no maggots. There will still be meat on it but for some reason it's clean. It doesn't really smell either. I always wonder why this is. Thanks for all of your input on the garden stuff. I learn more everyday from this group! : ) M8/17/08, The Oklahoma Tomcat <jonesfamilyhomestead wrote: The Oklahoma Tomcat <jonesfamilyhomesteadRe: [RFSL] more gardening questions Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 10:59 AM lol, seeing some of the things my dogs and cats have eaten and drank out of the last thing I am worried about is them eating rotten food. Love, The Oklahoma Tomcat http://joneshomeste ad.tripod. com/My blog: http://thelifeofano klhahomatomcat. blogspot. com/My : http://groups. / group/jonesfamil yhomestead/------------ --------- --------- --------- --I believe - That just because two people argue, it doesn't mean they don't love each other. And just because they don't argue, it doesn'tmean they do. - Barbara Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:50 PM Re: [RFSL] more gardening questions I have to step in here. Reading the books and watching animal programs I know that if large prey animal is killed, the predators may eat it for several days. Big cats in Africa as well as wolves all over the world, are able to eat smelly, rotten, walking away with maggots carrion with impunity. Their digestive systems are perfectly designed to handle that. No fear for parasites either. They all perish in predators' strong digestive juices. That said, there is no reason we would want to feed rotten meat to our dogs or cats, but just wanted you to know that they would be able to handle it. Barbara Please do give it to the dogs before it has a chance to start to rot. I hate to think what parasites or bacteria it could give the dogs if it's half rotten. Even at your elevation, the sun could spoil it before the dogs eat it. The foxes and coyotes are on their own. ;-) cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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