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I am really surprised at the pork discussion. I didn't think that Gina was expressing belief in the article as she noted that she was a pork eater. She was merely sharing some information that she'd read along the way in order for anyone to either glean wisdom from it and either share more information, confirm or deny the information or continue on in their own googling to discover more information for themselves. That's what discussion is? I had actually read some of the same info that she posted somewhere along the way...I wish I could remember the book. We eat pork. It's not our primary source of protein but we do eat it. For the person who said they don't always feel well after eating bacon, I wonder if that's the MSG that is used in bacon and other processed meats. I know people that are highly allergic to it. Though I think there is MSG in ham as well so that would blow that

theory..... Still, I can't help but feel bad that Gina left the group feeling attacked. We need to give the benefit of the doubt since we can't see one another. So much feeling/thoughts/emotions can be lost in the process of emails..... Just some thoughts from WI Vicki

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Not to worry.....sometimes it's just easy for things to get out of hand. It's a good reminder to all of us to be "kind" as Celia said (welcome back, Cee!) and to also remember that things should not be taken too seriously. It's easy to get offended when no offense was actually meant. We all feel so passionate about what we feel is "right".....it's also easy to leave in a huff, without making the effort to turn the situation around. It was Gina's decision to leave, and I respect that, but she also could have chosen to stay and work things out.

 

People come and go, and most don't even make an attempt to participate in the group. A group is only as good as we make it. I appreciate all of you who DO contribute to our little group. :-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/9/2008 9:13:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, suprmommy writes:

I have to admit I feel responsible. I asked the bacon grease question. I never intended for things to go like this. I got a lot of messages about that post and some were helpful and some I didn't think i would use. But it was great to get others opinions. I know not every one in the world agrees with everything I do. Just like I may not agree with others. But if you plan on educating people about things you feel are "right" then being mean is not the way to do it. Say for instance you could have changed her mind about pork... now all that happened was she quit the group and doesn't want to hear anything about it. Where as if things went a little more civilly she might still be here and who knows ... trying pork or something. Just a thought.

 

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I agree, Vicki! I've been lurking and reading old posts to play

catch-up, and I felt bad when I saw what happened to Gina. Call me

old-fashioned, but I believe politeness and civility go a long way;

one can disagree or debate one another without being rude or

hurtful. It's often not *what* is said, but *how* it is said.

 

As for me, I try to remember not to take things personally if someone

else is having a bad day. I try to remember it's better to be " kind "

than to be " right. " I also try--but sometimes fail--to treat people

the way I would want to be treated, so I posted a saying on my

kitchen wall as a reminder to myself:

 

 

" Because Nice Matters... "

 

 

Regards,

 

Celia

 

 

 

RealSimple , Vicki Fitzsimmons <fitzfam5

wrote:

>

> I am really surprised at the pork discussion. I didn't think that

Gina was expressing belief in the article as she noted that she was a

pork eater. She was merely sharing some information that she'd read

along the way in order for anyone to either glean wisdom from it and

either share more information, confirm or deny the information or

continue on in their own googling to discover more information for

themselves. That's what discussion is? I had actually read some of

the same info that she posted somewhere along the way...I wish I

could remember the book. We eat pork. It's not our primary source

of protein but we do eat it. For the person who said they don't

always feel well after eating bacon, I wonder if that's the MSG that

is used in bacon and other processed meats. I know people that are

highly allergic to it. Though I think there is MSG in ham as well so

that would blow that theory.....

> Still, I can't help but feel bad that Gina left the group feeling

attacked. We need to give the benefit of the doubt since we can't

see one another. So much feeling/thoughts/emotions can be lost in

the process of emails.....

> Just some thoughts from WI

> Vicki

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I have to admit I feel responsible. I asked the bacon grease question. I never intended for things to go like this. I got a lot of messages about that post and some were helpful and some I didn't think i would use. But it was great to get others opinions. I know not every one in the world agrees with everything I do. Just like I may not agree with others. But if you plan on educating people about things you feel are " right " then being mean is not the way to do it. Say for instance you could have changed her mind about pork... now all that happened was she quit the group and doesn't want to hear anything about it. Where as if things went a little more civilly she might still be here and who knows ... trying pork or something. Just a thought.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 12:09 PM, lady_celia <lady_celia wrote:

 

 

 

 

I agree, Vicki! I've been lurking and reading old posts to play

catch-up, and I felt bad when I saw what happened to Gina. Call me

old-fashioned, but I believe politeness and civility go a long way;

one can disagree or debate one another without being rude or

hurtful. It's often not *what* is said, but *how* it is said.

 

As for me, I try to remember not to take things personally if someone

else is having a bad day. I try to remember it's better to be " kind "

than to be " right. " I also try--but sometimes fail--to treat people

the way I would want to be treated, so I posted a saying on my

kitchen wall as a reminder to myself:

 

" Because Nice Matters... "

 

Regards,

 

Celia

 

RealSimple , Vicki Fitzsimmons <fitzfam5

wrote:

>

> I am really surprised at the pork discussion. I didn't think that

Gina was expressing belief in the article as she noted that she was a

pork eater. She was merely sharing some information that she'd read

along the way in order for anyone to either glean wisdom from it and

either share more information, confirm or deny the information or

continue on in their own googling to discover more information for

themselves. That's what discussion is? I had actually read some of

the same info that she posted somewhere along the way...I wish I

could remember the book. We eat pork. It's not our primary source

of protein but we do eat it. For the person who said they don't

always feel well after eating bacon, I wonder if that's the MSG that

is used in bacon and other processed meats. I know people that are

highly allergic to it. Though I think there is MSG in ham as well so

that would blow that theory.....

> Still, I can't help but feel bad that Gina left the group feeling

attacked. We need to give the benefit of the doubt since we can't

see one another. So much feeling/thoughts/emotions can be lost in

the process of emails.....

> Just some thoughts from WI

> Vicki

 

 

 

 

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I agree Celia: Nice matters! I just try to always give the benefit

of the doubt and ask questions if I am not sure what they are trying

to say. We don't always have to agree but I think we always need to

be respectful; even during disagreements. And yes, we all have bad

days...I just try to bear that in mind for my own accountability and

if I am having a difficult day, I say it ahead of time or in the

subject line: WARNING: bad day! (HA HA! ) or I just don't respond at

that moment. Kind of like putting myself in a timeout until I get a

better attitude. I'm sure my girls would be happy to share

their " timeout stool " with me. HA HA HA! Still, everyone makes

mistakes and we only need to be humble enough to apologize and make

things right. I feel bad that Gina left. We don't know what she

was thinking/feeling to bring her to that point since we don't walk

in her shoes. I hope and pray that she finds what she is looking

for.

Vicki in WI

 

 

RealSimple , " lady_celia " <lady_celia

wrote:

>

> I agree, Vicki! I've been lurking and reading old posts to play

> catch-up, and I felt bad when I saw what happened to Gina. Call

me

> old-fashioned, but I believe politeness and civility go a long

way;

> one can disagree or debate one another without being rude or

> hurtful. It's often not *what* is said, but *how* it is said.

>

> As for me, I try to remember not to take things personally if

someone

> else is having a bad day. I try to remember it's better to

be " kind "

> than to be " right. " I also try--but sometimes fail--to treat

people

> the way I would want to be treated, so I posted a saying on my

> kitchen wall as a reminder to myself:

>

>

> " Because Nice Matters... "

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Celia

>

>

>

> RealSimple , Vicki Fitzsimmons <fitzfam5@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I am really surprised at the pork discussion. I didn't think

that

> Gina was expressing belief in the article as she noted that she

was a

> pork eater. She was merely sharing some information that she'd

read

> along the way in order for anyone to either glean wisdom from it

and

> either share more information, confirm or deny the information or

> continue on in their own googling to discover more information for

> themselves. That's what discussion is? I had actually read some

of

> the same info that she posted somewhere along the way...I wish I

> could remember the book. We eat pork. It's not our primary

source

> of protein but we do eat it. For the person who said they don't

> always feel well after eating bacon, I wonder if that's the MSG

that

> is used in bacon and other processed meats. I know people that

are

> highly allergic to it. Though I think there is MSG in ham as well

so

> that would blow that theory.....

> > Still, I can't help but feel bad that Gina left the group

feeling

> attacked. We need to give the benefit of the doubt since we

can't

> see one another. So much feeling/thoughts/emotions can be lost in

> the process of emails.....

> > Just some thoughts from WI

> > Vicki

>

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Oh, Michelle, I dont think you should feel responsible. We don't

know what was going on with her either. We should be able to

communicate and throw out ideas/questions. It's hard to communicate

via email. So much can be misinterpreted or lost. Still, I don't

think you should feel responsible for starting an interesting

discussion.....

Just my thoughts...

Vicki in WI

RealSimple , Michelle <suprmommy wrote:

>

> I have to admit I feel responsible. I asked the bacon grease

question. I

> never intended for things to go like this. I got a lot of messages

about

> that post and some were helpful and some I didn't think i would

use. But it

> was great to get others opinions. I know not every one in the

world agrees

> with everything I do. Just like I may not agree with others. But

if you plan

> on educating people about things you feel are " right " then being

mean is not

> the way to do it. Say for instance you could have changed her mind

about

> pork... now all that happened was she quit the group and doesn't

want to

> hear anything about it. Where as if things went a little more

civilly she

> might still be here and who knows ... trying pork or something.

Just a

> thought.

>

>

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That's very true, Cyndi. She could have chosen to stay and work it

out. Sometimes our passions about something can be misconstrued.

Better to be slow to anger and ask questions....

I'm learning a lot here!!! Pork, soap, how to have more effective

posts.....(tee hee)

Have a great evening! Vicki in WI

 

RealSimple , cyndikrall wrote:

>

>

> Not to worry.....sometimes it's just easy for things to get out

of hand.

> It's a good reminder to all of us to be " kind " as Celia said

(welcome back,

> Cee!) and to also remember that things should not be taken too

seriously. It's

> easy to get offended when no offense was actually meant. We all

feel so

> passionate about what we feel is " right " .....it's also easy to

leave in a huff,

> without making the effort to turn the situation around. It was

Gina's decision to

> leave, and I respect that, but she also could have chosen to stay

and work

> things out.

>

> People come and go, and most don't even make an attempt to

participate in

> the group. A group is only as good as we make it. I appreciate

all of you who

> DO contribute to our little group. :-)

>

> Cyndi

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2008 9:13:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> suprmommy writes:

>

> I have to admit I feel responsible. I asked the bacon grease

question. I

> never intended for things to go like this. I got a lot of

messages about that

> post and some were helpful and some I didn't think i would use.

But it was

> great to get others opinions. I know not every one in the world

agrees with

> everything I do. Just like I may not agree with others. But if

you plan on

> educating people about things you feel are " right " then being

mean is not the way to

> do it. Say for instance you could have changed her mind about

pork... now

> all that happened was she quit the group and doesn't want to hear

anything

> about it. Where as if things went a little more civilly she might

still be here

> and who knows ... trying pork or something. Just a thought.

>

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Michelle wrote:

>> I have to admit I feel responsible. I asked the bacon grease question. I never intended for things to go like this.

 

"Fuggedabowdit!" *wink-wink* You are not responsible for the actions of others.

 

Cyndi wrote:

>> (welcome back, Cee!)

 

Thanks, Cyndi! I am glad to be back... <smiles>

 

>> and to also remember that things should not be taken too seriously. It's easy to get offended when no offense was actually meant.

 

Very true, and especially for me since I found myself on my first post to the list complaining about on on-list argument! Hahahahaha. Not exactly the most graceful way to reintroduce yourself to a group, LOL!

 

>> We all feel so passionate about what we feel is "right"..... it's also easy to leave in a huff, without making the effort to turn the situation around. It was Gina's decision to leave, and I respect that, but she also could have chosen to stay and work things out.

 

<shrugs shoulders> She probably considered it an energy drainer and found it easier to walk away than to stay and duke it out. Just a personal preference, I guess. God knows I've done it a million times myself as I pick and choose my battles carefully!

>> People come and go, and most don't even make an attempt to participate in the group. A group is only as good as we make it. I appreciate all of you who DO contribute to our little group. :-)

 

Amen!

 

Vicki wrote:

>> I just try to bear that in mind for my own accountability and if I am having a difficult day, I say it ahead of time or in the subject line: WARNING: bad day! (HA HA! ) or I just don't respond at that moment.

 

Good one! I have been known to use that tactic also. Often when I take a time out and think it over, I find it's not worth the energy and just I delete my response. It's hard to take back words once they've been said!

 

>> We don't know what she was thinking/feeling to bring her to that point since we don't walk in her shoes.

 

Right...we do not know. I remember once e-mailing someone who left a list in a huff with very hurt feelings years ago...turns out that she had just lost her job, her cat died, and all that was on top of the death of both of her parents earlier in the year. Since she did not want to talk about it in a public forum, no one understood what the hurt was all about.

 

Here's to future lively and rousing debate WITHOUT argument and hurt feelings!!! *wink-wink*

 

--Celia--

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