Bacon Grease

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

Those facts I listed don't say anything close to any of those things

KILLING you.

So, no, nations who do eat pork would not be extinct. If I somehow

insinuated

that pork is awful for you, that was not my intention. I thought we

were just

looking for some reasons why pork might be a little less good for you

than other meats.

 

Gina

 

On Apr 5, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Barbara wrote:

 

> What a bunch of BS!  I can't believe that someone could put together

> so many lies because if only half of those " facts " were true, nations

> that do eat pork would be extinct long time ago.

> I wonder what happened to the logic????

>  

> Barbara

[Guest guest]

I understood very well your intentions and you just quoted an article, you did not write it. And if I wanted to google I would be able to find and copy equally forceful article that says all the good things of eating pork. Every story has two sides (or four, or ten) So, why do you only believe in one article?

 

I just will repeat that most of those points the author was making are completely misleading and anyone using a little logic would be able to see it.

 

Barbara

 

 

Barbara,Those facts I listed don't say anything close to any of those things KILLING you.So, no, nations who do eat pork would not be extinct. If I somehow insinuatedthat pork is awful for you, that was not my intention. I thought we were justlooking for some reasons why pork might be a little less good for youthan other meats.Gina

[Guest guest]

Well, Gina is gone, but we all know it's hard to "see" a person on the 'net, and see the intent behind the posts. I know no one meant any sort of personal attack. We all have respect for each other's opinions, even if we don't agree with them.

 

cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/5/2008 4:31:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ginamalewicz writes:

You are making some assumptions here. It wasn't just one article, but from several different sources, including mercola.com (just a little bit from there). And I didn't say what I believed, I said "this is what I've read"."Anyone with a little logic would be able to see that"No need to reply to me, I'll remove myself from this group. I'd rather have discussions, not personal attacks. Thanks.gina

 

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[Guest guest]

Actually, this group is normally very quiet. I am surprised that pork and bacon grease should have brought up so much discussion, lol.

 

Why don't you tell us about yourself, Meighan? We'll be happy to discuss anything you want.

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/5/2008 5:41:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, meggersgraham writes:

 

Hello,

 

I am brand new to this board, and I have to tell you, I can't believe the hostility over PORK! Someone please tell me that it is not always like this. This group is just what I was looking for, minus the insults about meat products. This topic is anything but "RealSimple". I would love to see another topic come up.

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

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[Guest guest]

You are making some assumptions here. It wasn't just one article, but

from several different sources, including mercola.com (just a little

bit from there). And I didn't say what I believed, I said " this is what

I've read " .

 

" Anyone with a little logic would be able to see that "

 

No need to reply to me, I'll remove myself from this group. I'd rather

have discussions, not personal attacks. Thanks.

 

gina

[Guest guest]

Good luck... LOL

 

Barbara

 

 

You are making some assumptions here. It wasn't just one article, but from several different sources, including mercola.com (just a little bit from there). And I didn't say what I believed, I said "this is what I've read"."Anyone with a little logic would be able to see that"No need to reply to me, I'll remove myself from this group. I'd rather have discussions, not personal attacks. Thanks.gina

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

I am brand new to this board, and I have to tell you, I can't believe the hostility over PORK! Someone please tell me that it is not always like this. This group is just what I was looking for, minus the insults about meat products. This topic is anything but "RealSimple". I would love to see another topic come up.

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

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Barbara <barbara3RealSimple Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 5:22:10 PMRe: [RealSimple] Re:Bacon Grease

 

 

Good luck... LOL

 

Barbara

 

 

You are making some assumptions here. It wasn't just one article, but from several different sources, including mercola.com (just a little bit from there). And I didn't say what I believed, I said "this is what I've read"."Anyone with a little logic would be able to see that"No need to reply to me, I'll remove myself from this group. I'd rather have discussions, not personal attacks. Thanks.gina

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Cyndi,

 

Well, I am married and a momma to 3 great kids. I have been changing my families diet, little by little. I first started by going organic with produce. That is not easy on the wallet, so I am branching out to local farms and soon will be planting a modest garden. I am a novice, so any advice would be nice. However, organic meat is not on the menu these days. You would go bankrupt getting it at the store, so I stopped. I am looking for reputable, local farms. It could be forever for me, but my hubby and kids are a different story. For medical reasons, we need to start weaning sugar and processed/preservative type foods. Awhile back, my oldest son was diagnosed with adhd, tourette's disorder and anxiety. Also, I have a thyroid disorder which is screaming for dietary changes. When I reached my early thirties I thought about the damage

all of this "food" could be doing to our bodies. How did God design our nourishment? Do you think it came in a box? Anyway, my husband is dragging his feet every change at a time, my kids are trying really hard and I feel good and the end of the day. I would love to hear stories of those in the same boat! Thank you for listening-

 

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

An Irish blessing from me to you-

 

May God give you...For every storm a rainbow, for every tear a smile, for every care a promise and a blessing in each trial. For every problem life sends, a faithful friend to share, for every sigh a sweet song and an answer for each prayer.”

 

"cyndikrall" <cyndikrallRealSimple Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 8:19:17 PMRe: [RealSimple] Re:Bacon Grease

 

 

 

Actually, this group is normally very quiet. I am surprised that pork and bacon grease should have brought up so much discussion, lol.

 

Why don't you tell us about yourself, Meighan? We'll be happy to discuss anything you want.

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/5/2008 5:41:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, meggersgraham@ writes:

 

Hello,

 

I am brand new to this board, and I have to tell you, I can't believe the hostility over PORK! Someone please tell me that it is not always like this. This group is just what I was looking for, minus the insults about meat products. This topic is anything but "RealSimple" . I would love to see another topic come up.

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

 

 

 

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Meighan thanks for the intro...and welcome to our little list. :-)Most of us are in the same place, trying to make changes a little at a time, with our families mostly uncooperative, lol. It DOES take a long time to make the transition, and a lot of patience. And it's not easy trying to make something from scratch every night, but it can be done. The thing is to not overwhelm yourself all at once. And be prepared to fight the battle every day with your family, and repeat yourself over and over what is healthy and what is not, and why you've dedicated yourself to making changes.

 

Have you heard of the Weston A. Price organization? You can go to westonaprice.org and click on the left hand side "local chapters." Once you've found your area, you might find a to join, or a representative near you. You can contact these people to find a food co-op in your area that sells local meat and produce, hopefully with better priced organic food. Forget the big chain stores, they are over priced, and the food is shipped in from heaven-knows-where. Local is the way to go. You will be surprised once you start looking around how much is available to you. I was astounded. I had no idea! I even found a wonderful large food co-op, but I live in California, and we have more food resources than most, so be patient.

 

Also, look for Community Supported Agriculture in your area, also known as CSA's. If you go to: http://www.localharvest.org/ you can look for CSA's in your area.

 

If you are going to consume dairy products, many of us feel that raw milk-milk that has not been pasteurized and homogenized-is the healthiest form of milk to consume. You can research it more, if this is something you have an interest in. You can go to: http://realmilk.com/ for more details.

 

If you have a thyroid disorder, there are "natural" things you can do to support your thyroid. You can go to: http://www.realsalt.com/ to read more about natural salt that will provide many trace minerals to support thyroid function. I think Barbara also told me about Armour? was that it Barbara? For a natural thyroid supplement.

 

Well, I know there is more, but this might get you started. You may have heard all this already, and if so, I apologize, lol, but hopefully you'll learn something from all this. Please feel free to ask us any specific questions you might have.

Regards,

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/6/2008 12:27:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, meggersgraham writes:

 

Cyndi,

 

Well, I am married and a momma to 3 great kids. I have been changing my families diet, little by little. I first started by going organic with produce. That is not easy on the wallet, so I am branching out to local farms and soon will be planting a modest garden. I am a novice, so any advice would be nice. However, organic meat is not on the menu these days. You would go bankrupt getting it at the store, so I stopped. I am looking for reputable, local farms. It could be forever for me, but my hubby and kids are a different story. For medical reasons, we need to start weaning sugar and processed/preservative type foods. Awhile back, my oldest son was diagnosed with adhd, tourette's disorder and anxiety. Also, I have a thyroid disorder which is screaming for dietary changes. When I reached my early thirties I thought about the damage all of this "food" could be doing to our bodies. How did God design our nourishment? Do you think it came in a box? Anyway, my husband is dragging his feet every change at a time, my kids are trying really hard and I feel good and the end of the day. I would love to hear stories of those in the same boat! Thank you for listening-

 

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

An Irish blessing from me to you-

 

May God give you...For every storm

 

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[Guest guest]

Yes, most people who went on Armour are more than happy with the results they could not get by just using Synthroid. Of course, you may have a battle with your physician, they are not rewarded for prescribing anything natural. You just have to insist or change the doctors.

 

Barbara

 

 

 

If you have a thyroid disorder, there are "natural" things you can do to support your thyroid. You can go to: http://www.realsalt.com/ to read more about natural salt that will provide many trace minerals to support thyroid function. I think Barbara also told me about Armour? was that it Barbara? For a natural thyroid supplement.

Regards,

Cyndi

 

[Guest guest]

Cyndi,

 

Thank you for all your info, this is why I got on this group! I go to the Skagit valley co-op in my area and recently got involved in the Nourishing Traditions in our area too. The info on the salt is really interesting, I will look into that. I am so hesitant about the raw milk, you know, it's so hard to break old habits. I am a little unsure about the taste, but I am sick of paying $6 a gallon for organic milk. Anyhoo, thanks a lot!

 

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

An Irish blessing from me to you-

 

May God give you...For every storm a rainbow, for every tear a smile, for every care a promise and a blessing in each trial. For every problem life sends, a faithful friend to share, for every sigh a sweet song and an answer for each prayer.”

 

"cyndikrall" <cyndikrallRealSimple Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 11:40:25 AMRe: [RealSimple] Re:Bacon Grease

 

 

 

Meighan thanks for the intro...and welcome to our little list. :-)Most of us are in the same place, trying to make changes a little at a time, with our families mostly uncooperative, lol. It DOES take a long time to make the transition, and a lot of patience. And it's not easy trying to make something from scratch every night, but it can be done. The thing is to not overwhelm yourself all at once. And be prepared to fight the battle every day with your family, and repeat yourself over and over what is healthy and what is not, and why you've dedicated yourself to making changes.

 

Have you heard of the Weston A. Price organization? You can go to westonaprice. org and click on the left hand side "local chapters." Once you've found your area, you might find a to join, or a representative near you. You can contact these people to find a food co-op in your area that sells local meat and produce, hopefully with better priced organic food. Forget the big chain stores, they are over priced, and the food is shipped in from heaven-knows- where. Local is the way to go. You will be surprised once you start looking around how much is available to you. I was astounded. I had no idea! I even found a wonderful large food co-op, but I live in California, and we have more food resources than most, so be patient.

 

Also, look for Community Supported Agriculture in your area, also known as CSA's. If you go to: http://www.localhar vest.org/ you can look for CSA's in your area.

 

If you are going to consume dairy products, many of us feel that raw milk-milk that has not been pasteurized and homogenized- is the healthiest form of milk to consume. You can research it more, if this is something you have an interest in. You can go to: http://realmilk. com/ for more details.

 

If you have a thyroid disorder, there are "natural" things you can do to support your thyroid. You can go to: http://www.realsalt .com/ to read more about natural salt that will provide many trace minerals to support thyroid function. I think Barbara also told me about Armour? was that it Barbara? For a natural thyroid supplement.

 

Well, I know there is more, but this might get you started. You may have heard all this already, and if so, I apologize, lol, but hopefully you'll learn something from all this. Please feel free to ask us any specific questions you might have.

Regards,

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/6/2008 12:27:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, meggersgraham@ writes:

 

Cyndi,

 

Well, I am married and a momma to 3 great kids. I have been changing my families diet, little by little. I first started by going organic with produce. That is not easy on the wallet, so I am branching out to local farms and soon will be planting a modest garden. I am a novice, so any advice would be nice. However, organic meat is not on the menu these days. You would go bankrupt getting it at the store, so I stopped. I am looking for reputable, local farms. It could be forever for me, but my hubby and kids are a different story. For medical reasons, we need to start weaning sugar and processed/preservat ive type foods. Awhile back, my oldest son was diagnosed with adhd, tourette's disorder and anxiety. Also, I have a thyroid disorder which is screaming for dietary changes. When I reached my early thirties I thought about the

damage all of this "food" could be doing to our bodies. How did God design our nourishment? Do you think it came in a box? Anyway, my husband is dragging his feet every change at a time, my kids are trying really hard and I feel good and the end of the day. I would love to hear stories of those in the same boat! Thank you for listening-

 

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

An Irish blessing from me to you-

 

May God give you...For every storm

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Cyndi. NY is very anti raw milk but its not " illegal " yet. I plan on taking full advantage of that. Here we can " buy " a cow and then pay the farm to board it and milk it. In the long run it cost only 5 dollars a gallon of milk. It is inexpensive if you ask me! Its almost 4 bucks a gallon for pasteurized milk here!

Also... I checked into the CSA in our area and I am VERY excited. I can't wait to hear back from a few of them to see what they offer. I think its great to not only be able to get organic food... but also support our LOCAL farmers.

I am probably rambling. I just wanted to let you know your info is going to good use Michelle. On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:48 PM, meighan graham <meggersgraham wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cyndi,

 

Thank you for all your info, this is why I got on this group! I go to the Skagit valley co-op in my area and recently got involved in the Nourishing Traditions in our area too. The info on the salt is really interesting, I will look into that. I am so hesitant about the raw milk, you know, it's so hard to break old habits. I am a little unsure about the taste, but I am sick of paying $6 a gallon for organic milk. Anyhoo, thanks a lot!

 

 

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

An Irish blessing from me to you-

 

May God give you...For every storm a rainbow, for every tear a smile, for every care a promise and a blessing in each trial. For every problem life sends, a faithful friend to share, for every sigh a sweet song and an answer for each prayer."

 

" cyndikrall " <cyndikrall

RealSimple Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 11:40:25 AMRe: [RealSimple] Re:Bacon Grease

 

 

 

Meighan thanks for the intro...and welcome to our little list. :-)Most of us are in the same place, trying to make changes a little at a time, with our families mostly uncooperative, lol. It DOES take a long time to make the transition, and a lot of patience. And it's not easy trying to make something from scratch every night, but it can be done. The thing is to not overwhelm yourself all at once. And be prepared to fight the battle every day with your family, and repeat yourself over and over what is healthy and what is not, and why you've dedicated yourself to making changes.

 

Have you heard of the Weston A. Price organization? You can go to westonaprice. org and click on the left hand side " local chapters. " Once you've found your area, you might find a to join, or a representative near you. You can contact these people to find a food co-op in your area that sells local meat and produce, hopefully with better priced organic food. Forget the big chain stores, they are over priced, and the food is shipped in from heaven-knows- where. Local is the way to go. You will be surprised once you start looking around how much is available to you. I was astounded. I had no idea! I even found a wonderful large food co-op, but I live in California, and we have more food resources than most, so be patient.

 

Also, look for Community Supported Agriculture in your area, also known as CSA's. If you go to: http://www.localhar vest.org/ you can look for CSA's in your area.

 

If you are going to consume dairy products, many of us feel that raw milk-milk that has not been pasteurized and homogenized- is the healthiest form of milk to consume. You can research it more, if this is something you have an interest in. You can go to: http://realmilk. com/ for more details.

 

 

If you have a thyroid disorder, there are " natural " things you can do to support your thyroid. You can go to: http://www.realsalt .com/ to read more about natural salt that will provide many trace minerals to support thyroid function. I think Barbara also told me about Armour? was that it Barbara? For a natural thyroid supplement.

 

Well, I know there is more, but this might get you started. You may have heard all this already, and if so, I apologize, lol, but hopefully you'll learn something from all this. Please feel free to ask us any specific questions you might have.

 

Regards,

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/6/2008 12:27:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, meggersgraham@ writes:

 

Cyndi,

 

Well, I am married and a momma to 3 great kids. I have been changing my families diet, little by little. I first started by going organic with produce. That is not easy on the wallet, so I am branching out to local farms and soon will be planting a modest garden. I am a novice, so any advice would be nice. However, organic meat is not on the menu these days. You would go bankrupt getting it at the store, so I stopped. I am looking for reputable, local farms. It could be forever for me, but my hubby and kids are a different story. For medical reasons, we need to start weaning sugar and processed/preservat ive type foods. Awhile back, my oldest son was diagnosed with adhd, tourette's disorder and anxiety. Also, I have a thyroid disorder which is screaming for dietary changes. When I reached my early thirties I thought about the

damage all of this " food " could be doing to our bodies. How did God design our nourishment? Do you think it came in a box? Anyway, my husband is dragging his feet every change at a time, my kids are trying really hard and I feel good and the end of the day. I would love to hear stories of those in the same boat! Thank you for listening-

 

 

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

An Irish blessing from me to you-

 

May God give you...For every storm

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Meighan, if you are used to drinking whole milk, then raw milk won't taste too different. It is not inexpensive though. It is usually more expensive, due to the extra work the farmer has to do to produce it. But it's worth every penny. To me, anyway, lol.

 

Glad you found it helpful. :-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/6/2008 3:48:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, meggersgraham writes:

 

Cyndi,

 

Thank you for all your info, this is why I got on this group! I go to the Skagit valley co-op in my area and recently got involved in the Nourishing Traditions in our area too. The info on the salt is really interesting, I will look into that. I am so hesitant about the raw milk, you know, it's so hard to break old habits. I am a little unsure about the taste, but I am sick of paying $6 a gallon for organic milk. Anyhoo, thanks a lot!

 

In Him,

Meighan, mother of the Graham Clan

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Michelle,

 

California is having battles now to retain our raw milk products. If this happened a couple years ago, raw milk might have been lost to us forever, but raw milk is seeing a surge in popularity across the country. Many states do ban raw milk, but many consumers are speaking up and demanding it. So maybe we will win here. I'm keeping my fingers crossed! I could never go back to drinking regular milk. I'll stop drinking milk first. But I'm hoping it won't come to that.

 

The cow share idea is a great one. Not legal here in CA, but many states do allow it, even where the sale of raw milk is illegal. I'm glad you found a solution, I think you'll be pleased. Raw butter is wonderful too, the best fat you can consume. Maybe you can learn how to make your own, it's very easy.

 

The CSA's are GREAT, but don't forget to check around for local farmers markets. Go there and talk to the farmers/growers and find out what all they grow, how they grow it, and how often they are at the market selling their food. You'll be surprised how many people grow their produce organically, even if they are not certified organic. The process to get certified is long and arduous, so some people don't bother to try to get certified. Also look for local "pick your own" fruits and veggies. It's fun, lol.

 

:-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/6/2008 4:06:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, suprmommy writes:

Thank you Cyndi. NY is very anti raw milk but its not "illegal" yet. I plan on taking full advantage of that. Here we can "buy" a cow and then pay the farm to board it and milk it. In the long run it cost only 5 dollars a gallon of milk. It is inexpensive if you ask me! Its almost 4 bucks a gallon for pasteurized milk here! Also... I checked into the CSA in our area and I am VERY excited. I can't wait to hear back from a few of them to see what they offer. I think its great to not only be able to get organic food... but also support our LOCAL farmers. I am probably rambling. I just wanted to let you know your info is going to good use Michelle.

 

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[Guest guest]

I don't remember off hand. We used to buy it at Costco, which is probably cheaper than the grocery stores. I think it is more than $4.00 a gallon though. Everything seems to be more expensive in CA. The price you pay to live in a warm weather climate, i guess. :-(Cyndi

 

In a message dated 4/7/2008 2:54:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, barbara3 writes:

 

I just wondered....how much is a gallon of conventional, whole milk in stores in CA? Here in FL it is close to $4. But now in grocery stores here, they have a no rBGH milk which still is pateurized and homogenized but I don't go to grocery stores, hardly ever so I don't know if it is any more expensive than normal milk.

 

Barbara

 

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I just wondered....how much is a gallon of conventional, whole milk in stores in CA? Here in FL it is close to $4. But now in grocery stores here, they have a no rBGH milk which still is pateurized and homogenized but I don't go to grocery stores, hardly ever so I don't know if it is any more expensive than normal milk.

 

Barbara

 

 

 

 

Meighan, if you are used to drinking whole milk, then raw milk won't taste too different. It is not inexpensive though. It is usually more expensive, due to the extra work the farmer has to do to produce it. But it's worth every penny. To me, anyway, lol.

 

Glad you found it helpful. :-)Cyndi

 

[Guest guest]

Well, OK, thank you.

 

Barbara

 

 

 

 

I don't remember off hand. We used to buy it at Costco, which is probably cheaper than the grocery stores. I think it is more than $4.00 a gallon though. Everything seems to be more expensive in CA. The price you pay to live in a warm weather climate, i guess. :-(Cyndi