Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I'll check out the link this weekend - but so, you believe saturated fat isn't bad? Huh.. I don't really know what to believe anymore. I hate even trying to be healthy some days... lol I get that people back in the day were thinner. But I wonder if that's due to what they ate or how active they were. I mean people back then burned a HECK of a lot more calories in 1 day than we do today. Maybe even more than some people do in numerous days because they did everything by hand and on their feet from sunup to sundown... As for diseases- did cancer really not exist? or was it just not defined and therefore not diagnosed? I really have no clue and am not trying to be argumentative. I like to collect as much info as possible (altho sometimes its so contradictory its really frustrating lol). These are just some thoughts that have popped into my head. its very possible that saturated fat is good for people; i'm just not convinced by your reasoning. On another note - you mention butter fat being the healthiest for your heart, but isn't butter that is super bad for LDL cholesterol? I totally cut out butter per 3 doctors' advice b/c of my cholesterol. I guess maybe that was bad advice then? ugh terriBarbara <barbara3 wrote: Saturated fats which means animal origin fats are the fats that protect your heart and your arteries from the disease. All vegetable oils are hazardous to your health and promote inflammation of your arteries which leads to heart disease. The absolute healthiest fat is butter fat, next is coconut oil and all other animal fats and after those is olive oil. That's it. No other fats of any kind are good for you. If you stop and think about that, back in 1900s heart disease was unheard of, cancer was very rare and people on the whole were much healthier. Everyone was eating butter and lard, milk was not skimmed and not pasteurized . That was before everyone was scared of saturated fats. Look at everyone now......to heart disease and cancer add obesity and a host of other degenerative diseases. What does that tell you? It tells me to go back to healthy, old fashion eating. Here is something to read if you are interested. http://www.eatfatlosefat.com/ Barbara Isn't Coconut oil super high in saturated fat? I was reading an article that compared lots of oils and this one didn't look too good. I have at least 3 diff kinds of oil in the house currently - seems like they all have some drawback to them... terri Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 If you are doubting already today, after you read the book, you will be convinced. Mary Enig PhD who wrote that book, is working with fats for more than 30 years, she should know her fats. I understand that it is hard to shake up all those decades of brainwashing by doctors, big pharma and government but many people are waking up to the truth. If you look on the net, you will find many articles and studies (not here but in Europe where the studies are independent and not paid for by the interested parties) Now, cholesterol. Cholesterol is hereditary and there is no such think as high cholesterol. No matter for the value is, it is perfect for you. Diet does not influence your cholesterol for more than an hour or two, after that it goes back to what your genes are telling your liver to produce. Drugs that are used to lower the cholesterol are making billions of dollars for the big pharma and they have dreaded side efects. those drugs are the biggest fraud of our times. http://chetday.com/cholesterolmyth.htm http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/ http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cholesterol.htm http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/fraud/cardio.htm All you have to do is look and search for the truth and you will find hundreds of articles on that subject. I should also add here that just getting rid of sugar and white flour in your diet will lower your cholesterol to a level that is genetically normal for you. Cancer. I didn't say that cancer did not exist, I said it was rare. Cancer did exist as long as there is life on earth. but look at what is happening now! Half of the population is dying from cancer and the other half from heart disease. Any thinking person can't help but notice how bad it is now and how much better it was only a 100 years ago. Anyway, I hope you will take a look at the links I gave you and then, you can come to your own conclusion. Barbara I'll check out the link this weekend - but so, you believe saturated fat isn't bad? Huh.. I don't really know what to believe anymore. I hate even trying to be healthy some days... lol I get that people back in the day were thinner. But I wonder if that's due to what they ate or how active they were. I mean people back then burned a HECK of a lot more calories in 1 day than we do today. Maybe even more than some people do in numerous days because they did everything by hand and on their feet from sunup to sundown... As for diseases- did cancer really not exist? or was it just not defined and therefore not diagnosed? I really have no clue and am not trying to be argumentative. I like to collect as much info as possible (altho sometimes its so contradictory its really frustrating lol). These are just some thoughts that have popped into my head. its very possible that saturated fat is good for people; i'm just not convinced by your reasoning. On another note - you mention butter fat being the healthiest for your heart, but isn't butter that is super bad for LDL cholesterol? I totally cut out butter per 3 doctors' advice b/c of my cholesterol. I guess maybe that was bad advice then? ugh terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I am just jumping in on the conversation here and I do not claim to be a expert. But I wanted to add about the real butter. Butter is actually better for you then margarine and other " vegetable " spreads. If you look into it you can see that those spreads are actually one process away from being a type of plastic material. I know it sounds crazy but its true. Butter is fine in moderation. You don't want to eat a stick a day but I would rather eat real butter then almost plastic! Also, I think sicknesses have been around forever but that doesn't mean that the things we are consuming aren't making them worse. I am new to eating healthier and trying to be more green. I grew up eating everything processed and bad. The more I think about it the more I wonder why we put unnatural things in our bodies and think that over time there will be no side effects. Now I have not cut everything bad from my diet... especially because what is bad and not bad depends on who you ask. I also find it frustrating when I think I am doing something better and then 100 people tell me I made a mistake. My best advice is to do your research. And do what you and your heart and body tell you is right. There is NO right or wrong way to live. We all just have to do whats best for us. And the only ones who know what is best is us. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Barbara <barbara3 wrote: If you are doubting already today, after you read the book, you will be convinced. Mary Enig PhD who wrote that book, is working with fats for more than 30 years, she should know her fats. I understand that it is hard to shake up all those decades of brainwashing by doctors, big pharma and government but many people are waking up to the truth. If you look on the net, you will find many articles and studies (not here but in Europe where the studies are independent and not paid for by the interested parties) Now, cholesterol. Cholesterol is hereditary and there is no such think as high cholesterol. No matter for the value is, it is perfect for you. Diet does not influence your cholesterol for more than an hour or two, after that it goes back to what your genes are telling your liver to produce. Drugs that are used to lower the cholesterol are making billions of dollars for the big pharma and they have dreaded side efects. those drugs are the biggest fraud of our times. http://chetday.com/cholesterolmyth.htm http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/ http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cholesterol.htm http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/fraud/cardio.htm All you have to do is look and search for the truth and you will find hundreds of articles on that subject. I should also add here that just getting rid of sugar and white flour in your diet will lower your cholesterol to a level that is genetically normal for you. Cancer. I didn't say that cancer did not exist, I said it was rare. Cancer did exist as long as there is life on earth. but look at what is happening now! Half of the population is dying from cancer and the other half from heart disease. Any thinking person can't help but notice how bad it is now and how much better it was only a 100 years ago. Anyway, I hope you will take a look at the links I gave you and then, you can come to your own conclusion. Barbara I'll check out the link this weekend - but so, you believe saturated fat isn't bad? Huh.. I don't really know what to believe anymore. I hate even trying to be healthy some days... lol I get that people back in the day were thinner. But I wonder if that's due to what they ate or how active they were. I mean people back then burned a HECK of a lot more calories in 1 day than we do today. Maybe even more than some people do in numerous days because they did everything by hand and on their feet from sunup to sundown... As for diseases- did cancer really not exist? or was it just not defined and therefore not diagnosed? I really have no clue and am not trying to be argumentative. I like to collect as much info as possible (altho sometimes its so contradictory its really frustrating lol). These are just some thoughts that have popped into my head. its very possible that saturated fat is good for people; i'm just not convinced by your reasoning. On another note - you mention butter fat being the healthiest for your heart, but isn't butter that is super bad for LDL cholesterol? I totally cut out butter per 3 doctors' advice b/c of my cholesterol. I guess maybe that was bad advice then? ugh terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I want to stress here that butter in not 'fine', but it is essential to your health. It protects your heart and arteries. Also, it does not have to be eaten in 'moderation' but used for all your daily cooking and eating needs. The more butter you eat, the healthier you get. Butter is just that good. You are right about margarine. It is an abomination! Glad that you try to eat healthier and don't pay attention to nay sayers who want you to be on their level of disease. These people are not educated and brainwashed. Barbara I am just jumping in on the conversation here and I do not claim to be a expert. But I wanted to add about the real butter. Butter is actually better for you then margarine and other "vegetable" spreads. If you look into it you can see that those spreads are actually one process away from being a type of plastic material. I know it sounds crazy but its true. Butter is fine in moderation. You don't want to eat a stick a day but I would rather eat real butter then almost plastic! Also, I think sicknesses have been around forever but that doesn't mean that the things we are consuming aren't making them worse. I am new to eating healthier and trying to be more green. I grew up eating everything processed and bad. The more I think about it the more I wonder why we put unnatural things in our bodies and think that over time there will be no side effects. Now I have not cut everything bad from my diet... especially because what is bad and not bad depends on who you ask. I also find it frustrating when I think I am doing something better and then 100 people tell me I made a mistake. My best advice is to do your research. And do what you and your heart and body tell you is right. There is NO right or wrong way to live. We all just have to do whats best for us. And the only ones who know what is best is us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Hi, just a few cents from your friendly neighborhood VEGAN (don't eat meat, or dairy, or eggs, still on the fence about honey personally)... Butter is included in the dairy category, there for I don't eat it. Actually, I stopped (ok, I cheated with some ice cream or a milkshake now and then, but don't anymore) eating dairy a while back. I sat down one day and thought about where it comes from, what this milk really is. Being that it is a bodily fluid of another species, it made me feel a lil disgusted... and really does now. No other memeber of the animal kingdom nurses past maturity. Why are we drinking milk? It just didn't make sense to me. I fell in love with soy milk (comes in vanilla AND chocolate, or plain... wow) and now am mesmerized by the other kinds of "milk" that our out there (almond, hemp, etc). Becoming vegan just opened up a whole other way to learn about replacing dairy and such, and how to handle questions like where I get my calcium (most veggies have more than human breast milk does) and protien (soy rocks for this, I love every form of it, too). I know that not everyone shares my view on things, but I do believe that we can live withough any kind of meat and dairy (including butter) even better. I know that people will still get cancer and heart disease and more, but I think it would be a lot less. Add on organic and all natural foods to that... and yay! Healthier all around. I have found the facts to prove this, but there are "facts" out there to prove almost everything. I just believe that mine make more sense...lol. So no butter for me, as long as I can help it. They do make a soy "butter" though that I have yet to try. I have recently been cooking with coconut oil and it has done well, but cooking with extra virgin olive oil is a long time habit for me. I have heard that at high heats it is bad bad bad for you, it releases toxins or something. I can't really remember, it is kinda blended in my mind with all the vegan stuffs and other information I have used. ~Kris Barbara <barbara3 wrote: I want to stress here that butter in not 'fine', but it is essential to your health. It protects your heart and arteries. Also, it does not have to be eaten in 'moderation' but used for all your daily cooking and eating needs. The more butter you eat, the healthier you get. Butter is just that good. You are right about margarine. It is an abomination! Glad that you try to eat healthier and don't pay attention to nay sayers who want you to be on their level of disease. These people are not educated and brainwashed. Barbara I am just jumping in on the conversation here and I do not claim to be a expert. But I wanted to add about the real butter. Butter is actually better for you then margarine and other "vegetable" spreads. If you look into it you can see that those spreads are actually one process away from being a type of plastic material. I know it sounds crazy but its true. Butter is fine in moderation. You don't want to eat a stick a day but I would rather eat real butter then almost plastic! Also, I think sicknesses have been around forever but that doesn't mean that the things we are consuming aren't making them worse. I am new to eating healthier and trying to be more green. I grew up eating everything processed and bad. The more I think about it the more I wonder why we put unnatural things in our bodies and think that over time there will be no side effects. Now I have not cut everything bad from my diet... especially because what is bad and not bad depends on who you ask. I also find it frustrating when I think I am doing something better and then 100 people tell me I made a mistake. My best advice is to do your research. And do what you and your heart and body tell you is right. There is NO right or wrong way to live. We all just have to do whats best for us. And the only ones who know what is best is us. Don't forget to check out my blog at:www.roguedecadence.vox.com & my online store at:www.roguedecadence.etsy.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 No, I definitely do not share your views on what is a healthy diet but I'm not going there. To each her own. I do want to tell you though that coconut oil is much more stable than olive oil and can be used in cooking in high temperatures. A lot healthier too. Barbara Hi, just a few cents from your friendly neighborhood VEGAN (don't eat meat, or dairy, or eggs, still on the fence about honey personally)... Butter is included in the dairy category, there for I don't eat it. Actually, I stopped (ok, I cheated with some ice cream or a milkshake now and then, but don't anymore) eating dairy a while back. I sat down one day and thought about where it comes from, what this milk really is. Being that it is a bodily fluid of another species, it made me feel a lil disgusted... and really does now. No other memeber of the animal kingdom nurses past maturity. Why are we drinking milk? It just didn't make sense to me. I fell in love with soy milk (comes in vanilla AND chocolate, or plain... wow) and now am mesmerized by the other kinds of "milk" that our out there (almond, hemp, etc). Becoming vegan just opened up a whole other way to learn about replacing dairy and such, and how to handle questions like where I get my calcium (most veggies have more than human breast milk does) and protien (soy rocks for this, I love every form of it, too). I know that not everyone shares my view on things, but I do believe that we can live withough any kind of meat and dairy (including butter) even better. I know that people will still get cancer and heart disease and more, but I think it would be a lot less. Add on organic and all natural foods to that... and yay! Healthier all around. I have found the facts to prove this, but there are "facts" out there to prove almost everything. I just believe that mine make more sense...lol. So no butter for me, as long as I can help it. They do make a soy "butter" though that I have yet to try. I have recently been cooking with coconut oil and it has done well, but cooking with extra virgin olive oil is a long time habit for me. I have heard that at high heats it is bad bad bad for you, it releases toxins or something. I can't really remember, it is kinda blended in my mind with all the vegan stuffs and other information I have used. ~Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Terri, lol, being healthy IS hard. But our impatient, convenience-food driven society has made us sick, and if we want to retain or regain our health, we need to return to a patient "slow" food mentality. REAL food, no matter what it is, needs to be as unrefined and unprocessed as possible. Although we have better tracking devices in place now for cancer, since they have first started tracking breast cancer, 1 out of 100 women got breast cancer. Now it is 1 woman in SIX (6) who will get it. Even with the most rudimentary information, and allowing for increases in population and documentation, in 100 years, that type of increase is astronomical. It's not just our diet, although that is the most important factor, in my humble opinion. I would not cut out butter, I would cut out ALL vegetable oils except for the organic, unrefined ones, like coconut oil, olive oil, and flaxseed oil. Coconut oil is the only one of these three that can be safely heated. You'll never get a doctor to agree with this, you have to do the research yourself and draw your own conclusions. Has cutting out butter even made a dent in your cholesterol level? I would bet not. I choose to put my trust in as "natural" a diet as I can get. As Barbara and I often tell each other, thank God for the internet! I've spent many hours researching all I can find on "healthy eating." Personally, my cholesterol level is BETTER now than when i ate a "conventional" diet. In my house we have a sort of joke about DOGMA. It's hard for me to try to overcome in my family the conventional sort of crap doctors have been feeding us, no pun intended. Cholesterol is GOOD. We need cholesterol for a number of bodily functions. Everyone has a different "ideal" range depending on heredity, etc. Some people have a naturally higher cholesterol level. If you are thin, in good health, and eating a good diet, forget the cholesterol. It will be ideal for YOU when all those factors are in place. For years eggs got a bad rap for being "high in cholesterol," as if eating an egg would kill you. Hundreds of small egg producers went out of business as a result of this particular dogma. Now, the "experts" are saying guess what, the cholesterol in eggs isn't as bad for you as we thought. Some things to think about... Cyndi In a message dated 3/14/2008 9:00:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tressa1220 writes: I'll check out the link this weekend - but so, you believe saturated fat isn't bad? Huh.. I don't really know what to believe anymore. I hate even trying to be healthy some days... lol I get that people back in the day were thinner. But I wonder if that's due to what they ate or how active they were. I mean people back then burned a HECK of a lot more calories in 1 day than we do today. Maybe even more than some people do in numerous days because they did everything by hand and on their feet from sunup to sundown... As for diseases- did cancer really not exist? or was it just not defined and therefore not diagnosed? I really have no clue and am not trying to be argumentative. I like to collect as much info as possible (altho sometimes its so contradictory its really frustrating lol). These are just some thoughts that have popped into my head. its very possible that saturated fat is good for people; i'm just not convinced by your reasoning. On another note - you mention butter fat being the healthiest for your heart, but isn't butter that is super bad for LDL cholesterol? I totally cut out butter per 3 doctors' advice b/c of my cholesterol. I guess maybe that was bad advice then? ugh terriBarbara <barbara3 wrote: Saturated fats which means animal origin fats are the fats that protect your heart and your arteries from the disease. All vegetable oils are hazardous to your health and promote inflammation of your arteries which leads to heart disease. The absolute healthiest fat is butter fat, next is coconut oil and all other animal fats and after those is olive oil. That's it. No other fats of any kind are good for you. If you stop and think about that, back in 1900s heart disease was unheard of, cancer was very rare and people on the whole were much healthier. Everyone was eating butter and lard, milk was not skimmed and not pasteurized . That was before everyone was scared of saturated fats. Look at everyone now......to heart disease and cancer add obesity and a host of other degenerative diseases. What does that tell you? It tells me to go back to healthy, old fashion eating. Here is something to read if you are interested. http://www.eatfatlosefat.com/ Barbara Isn't Coconut oil super high in saturated fat? I was reading an article that compared lots of oils and this one didn't look too good. I have at least 3 diff kinds of oil in the house currently - seems like they all have some drawback to them... terri Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. "Let food be your medicine"```Hippocrates It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 We used to have a person on this list who unsubbed because he could just not believe that butter was better for you than margarine. He thought I was totally nuts, lol. I know people who swear that Splenda was God-sent and completely healthy. It's a wonder any of us is healthy, given all the conventional advice told to us. It's no accident I got cancer. Do your research, I say, and KNOW YOUR FOOD. Cyndi In a message dated 3/14/2008 10:19:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, suprmommy writes: I am just jumping in on the conversation here and I do not claim to be a expert. But I wanted to add about the real butter. Butter is actually better for you then margarine and other "vegetable" spreads. If you look into it you can see that those spreads are actually one process away from being a type of plastic material. I know it sounds crazy but its true. Butter is fine in moderation. You don't want to eat a stick a day but I would rather eat real butter then almost plastic! Also, I think sicknesses have been around forever but that doesn't mean that the things we are consuming aren't making them worse. I am new to eating healthier and trying to be more green. I grew up eating everything processed and bad. The more I think about it the more I wonder why we put unnatural things in our bodies and think that over time there will be no side effects. Now I have not cut everything bad from my diet... especially because what is bad and not bad depends on who you ask. I also find it frustrating when I think I am doing something better and then 100 people tell me I made a mistake. My best advice is to do your research. And do what you and your heart and body tell you is right. There is NO right or wrong way to live. We all just have to do whats best for us. And the only ones who know what is best is us. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Barbara <barbara3 wrote: If you are doubting already today, after you read the book, you will be convinced. Mary Enig PhD who wrote that book, is working with fats for more than 30 years, she should know her fats. I understand that it is hard to shake up all those decades of brainwashing by doctors, big pharma and government but many people are waking up to the truth. If you look on the net, you will find many articles and studies (not here but in Europe where the studies are independent and not paid for by the interested parties) Now, cholesterol. Cholesterol is hereditary and there is no such think as high cholesterol. No matter for the value is, it is perfect for you. Diet does not influence your cholesterol for more than an hour or two, after that it goes back to what your genes are telling your liver to produce. Drugs that are used to lower the cholesterol are making billions of dollars for the big pharma and they have dreaded side efects. those drugs are the biggest fraud of our times. http://chetday.com/cholesterolmyth.htm http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/ http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cholesterol.htm http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/fraud/cardio.htm All you have to do is look and search for the truth and you will find hundreds of articles on that subject. I should also add here that just getting rid of sugar and white flour in your diet will lower your cholesterol to a level that is genetically normal for you. Cancer. I didn't say that cancer did not exist, I said it was rare. Cancer did exist as long as there is life on earth. but look at what is happening now! Half of the population is dying from cancer and the other half from heart disease. Any thinking person can't help but notice how bad it is now and how much better it was only a 100 years ago. Anyway, I hope you will take a look at the links I gave you and then, you can come to your own conclusion. Barbara I'll check out the link this weekend - but so, you believe saturated fat isn't bad? Huh.. I don't really know what to believe anymore. I hate even trying to be healthy some days... lol I get that people back in the day were thinner. But I wonder if that's due to what they ate or how active they were. I mean people back then burned a HECK of a lot more calories in 1 day than we do today. Maybe even more than some people do in numerous days because they did everything by hand and on their feet from sunup to sundown... As for diseases- did cancer really not exist? or was it just not defined and therefore not diagnosed? I really have no clue and am not trying to be argumentative. I like to collect as much info as possible (altho sometimes its so contradictory its really frustrating lol). These are just some thoughts that have popped into my head. its very possible that saturated fat is good for people; i'm just not convinced by your reasoning. On another note - you mention butter fat being the healthiest for your heart, but isn't butter that is super bad for LDL cholesterol? I totally cut out butter per 3 doctors' advice b/c of my cholesterol. I guess maybe that was bad advice then? ugh terri It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Well, as long as you stay healthy, then that's fine. But vegans get cancer too. I personally think that when you starve your body of good fats, that is as bad for you as eating junk food. Many vitamin are fat soluble. On an evolutionary scale, humans have eaten and drank animal products for eons. Un pasteurized and homogenized, of course, with their meat naturally "organic." It's when we started sticking our animals into crowded, unhealthy conditions, feeding them crap, and then tried to fix the problems with drugs, that we started getting into trouble. Know what what you eat eats, too. :-) I can say all this because I've tried every single diet on the planet, including vegetarianism. What I've come to believe FOR MYSELF is that it's not excluding anything that will keep me healthy, it's eating the best, most unrefined foods that will. cyndi In a message dated 3/14/2008 1:54:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence writes: Hi, just a few cents from your friendly neighborhood VEGAN (don't eat meat, or dairy, or eggs, still on the fence about honey personally)... Butter is included in the dairy category, there for I don't eat it. Actually, I stopped (ok, I cheated with some ice cream or a milkshake now and then, but don't anymore) eating dairy a while back. I sat down one day and thought about where it comes from, what this milk really is. Being that it is a bodily fluid of another species, it made me feel a lil disgusted... and really does now. No other memeber of the animal kingdom nurses past maturity. Why are we drinking milk? It just didn't make sense to me. I fell in love with soy milk (comes in vanilla AND chocolate, or plain... wow) and now am mesmerized by the other kinds of "milk" that our out there (almond, hemp, etc). Becoming vegan just opened up a whole other way to learn about replacing dairy and such, and how to handle questions like where I get my calcium (most veggies have more than human breast milk does) and protien (soy rocks for this, I love every form of it, too). I know that not everyone shares my view on things, but I do believe that we can live withough any kind of meat and dairy (including butter) even better. I know that people will still get cancer and heart disease and more, but I think it would be a lot less. Add on organic and all natural foods to that... and yay! Healthier all around. I have found the facts to prove this, but there are "facts" out there to prove almost everything. I just believe that mine make more sense...lol. So no butter for me, as long as I can help it. They do make a soy "butter" though that I have yet to try. I have recently been cooking with coconut oil and it has done well, but cooking with extra virgin olive oil is a long time habit for me. I have heard that at high heats it is bad bad bad for you, it releases toxins or something. I can't really remember, it is kinda blended in my mind with all the vegan stuffs and other information I have used. ~Kris Barbara <barbara3 wrote: I want to stress here that butter in not 'fine', but it is essential to your health. It protects your heart and arteries. Also, it does not have to be eaten in 'moderation' but used for all your daily cooking and eating needs. The more butter you eat, the healthier you get. Butter is just that good. You are right about margarine. It is an abomination! Glad that you try to eat healthier and don't pay attention to nay sayers who want you to be on their level of disease. These people are not educated and brainwashed. Barbara I am just jumping in on the conversation here and I do not claim to be a expert. But I wanted to add about the real butter. Butter is actually better for you then margarine and other "vegetable" spreads. If you look into it you can see that those spreads are actually one process away from being a type of plastic material. I know it sounds crazy but its true. Butter is fine in moderation. You don't want to eat a stick a day but I would rather eat real butter then almost plastic! Also, I think sicknesses have been around forever but that doesn't mean that the things we are consuming aren't making them worse. I am new to eating healthier and trying to be more green. I grew up eating everything processed and bad. The more I think about it the more I wonder why we put unnatural things in our bodies and think that over time there will be no side effects. Now I have not cut everything bad from my diet... especially because what is bad and not bad depends on who you ask. I also find it frustrating when I think I am doing something better and then 100 people tell me I made a mistake. My best advice is to do your research. And do what you and your heart and body tell you is right. There is NO right or wrong way to live. We all just have to do whats best for us. And the only ones who know what is best is us. Don't forget to check out my blog at:www.roguedecadence.vox.com & my online store at:www.roguedecadence.etsy.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Oh, yes, avocados are very good for you. I wasn't trying to imply that vegans don't get good fats, just that it is harder, because *I* believe we do need animal fats, and they can be perfectly healthy. But that's just me. I'm totally on the same page as you regarding the ethics of eating meat. I refuse to eat it any longer if I don't know how it was raised, what it ate, and how humanely it's processing was. I can't bear the thought of animals being mistreated. It may not be an environmental reason, but it allows me to live with my conscience. I carefully read the cartons of eggs I buy, and research the companies. My husband can get eggs from a local woman who raises the chickens herself, and this is the ultimate "best case scenario." I want to know how those chickens live, too. It's been proven that eggs from chickens that are cage free are healthier. So,it's a win-win situation for me. ANY sort of macaroni and cheese is wonderful. It's my favorite dish in the whole world, lolol. Cyndi In a message dated 3/15/2008 5:20:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence writes: There are other ways to get good fats besides animal products. Avocados are usually attacked because of their fat content, just as nuts are, but I love them all. And they are good fats. I do not feel that I am excluding anything that will keep me healthy. I'm not vegan as a diet, but a way of life. I believe we have evolved past eating meat and dairy, and other animal products. I do eat, and I eat very well. It isn't that difficult to become a chubby vegan, just not as obvious as with others. I actually made a vegan macoroni and 4 "cheeses", and it is so yummy that it isn't that easy to put it down when full. I do it in part to be healthier, but also to help with environmental stuff. Also, I have been reading up on a lot of stuff that says that just because it says it's a certian way (like with the free-range labeled eggs, etc, there is no law for it so you don't really know) doesn't mean it is. Being that I don't personally know what is going into (being fed to, etc) cows and chickens and so on, I don't want to risk it. To be honest, if I did know (like, say, raised pigs for meat or whatnot) I really wouldn't be able to do it because I would get attached and so on. If I couldn't kill it myself, I don't think I should eat it. As for dairy, I'm lactose intolerant and find it a little gross; eggs, once again I find it a bit gross. That is just my opinion, and my choice. I personally feel that the way I am eating, etc, is a bit healthier than other options. Anyone can get cancer. There have even been men with breast cancer. I just want to do what I can to prevent what I can. And I honestly feel a lot better since I have been vegan. Now I just get to tackle my allergies...lol. ~Kriscyndikrall wrote: Well, as long as you stay healthy, then that's fine. But vegans get cancer too. I personally think that when you starve your body of good fats, that is as bad for you as eating junk food. Many vitamin are fat soluble. On an evolutionary scale, humans have eaten and drank animal products for eons. Un pasteurized and homogenized, of course, with their meat naturally "organic." It's when we started sticking our animals into crowded, unhealthy conditions, feeding them crap, and then tried to fix the problems with drugs, that we started getting into trouble. Know what what you eat eats, too. :-) I can say all this because I've tried every single diet on the planet, including vegetarianism. What I've come to believe FOR MYSELF is that it's not excluding anything that will keep me healthy, it's eating the best, most unrefined foods that will. cyndi In a message dated 3/14/2008 1:54:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence writes: Hi, just a few cents from your friendly neighborhood VEGAN (don't eat meat, or dairy, or eggs, still on the fence about honey personally)... Butter is included in the dairy category, there for I don't eat it. Actually, I stopped (ok, I cheated with some ice cream or a milkshake now and then, but don't anymore) eating dairy a while back. I sat down one day and thought about where it comes from, what this milk really is. Being that it is a bodily fluid of another species, it made me feel a lil disgusted... and really does now. No other memeber of the animal kingdom nurses past maturity. Why are we drinking milk? It just didn't make sense to me. I fell in love with soy milk (comes in vanilla AND chocolate, or plain... wow) and now am mesmerized by the other kinds of "milk" that our out there (almond, hemp, etc). Becoming vegan just opened up a whole other way to learn about replacing dairy and such, and how to handle questions like where I get my calcium (most veggies have more than human breast milk does) and protien (soy rocks for this, I love every form of it, too). I know that not everyone shares my view on things, but I do believe that we can live withough any kind of meat and dairy (including butter) even better. I know that people will still get cancer and heart disease and more, but I think it would be a lot less. Add on organic and all natural foods to that... and yay! Healthier all around. I have found the facts to prove this, but there are "facts" out there to prove almost everything. I just believe that mine make more sense...lol. So no butter for me, as long as I can help it. They do make a soy "butter" though that I have yet to try. I have recently been cooking with coconut oil and it has done well, but cooking with extra virgin olive oil is a long time habit for me. I have heard that at high heats it is bad bad bad for you, it releases toxins or something. I can't really remember, it is kinda blended in my mind with all the vegan stuffs and other information I have used. ~Kris Barbara <barbara3 (AT) tampabay (DOT) rr.com> wrote: I want to stress here that butter in not 'fine', but it is essential to your health. It protects your heart and arteries. Also, it does not have to be eaten in 'moderation' but used for all your daily cooking and eating needs. The more butter you eat, the healthier you get. Butter is just that good. You are right about margarine. It is an abomination! Glad that you try to eat healthier and don't pay attention to nay sayers who want you to be on their level of disease. These people are not educated and brainwashed. Barbara I am just jumping in on the conversation here and I do not claim to be a expert. But I wanted to add about the real butter. Butter is actually better for you then margarine and other "vegetable" spreads. If you look into it you can see that those spreads are actually one process away from being a type of plastic material. I know it sounds crazy but its true. Butter is fine in moderation. You don't want to eat a stick a day but I would rather eat real butter then almost plastic! Also, I think sicknesses have been around forever but that doesn't mean that the things we are consuming aren't making them worse. I am new to eating healthier and trying to be more green. I grew up eating everything processed and bad. The more I think about it the more I wonder why we put unnatural things in our bodies and think that over time there will be no side effects. Now I have not cut everything bad from my diet... especially because what is bad and not bad depends on who you ask. I also find it frustrating when I think I am doing something better and then 100 people tell me I made a mistake. My best advice is to do your research. And do what you and your heart and body tell you is right. There is NO right or wrong way to live. We all just have to do whats best for us. And the only ones who know what is best is us. Don't forget to check out my blog at:www.roguedecadence.vox.com & my online store at:www.roguedecadence.etsy.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Don't forget to check out my blog at:www.roguedecadence.vox.com & my online store at:www.roguedecadence.etsy.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 There are other ways to get good fats besides animal products. Avocados are usually attacked because of their fat content, just as nuts are, but I love them all. And they are good fats. I do not feel that I am excluding anything that will keep me healthy. I'm not vegan as a diet, but a way of life. I believe we have evolved past eating meat and dairy, and other animal products. I do eat, and I eat very well. It isn't that difficult to become a chubby vegan, just not as obvious as with others. I actually made a vegan macoroni and 4 "cheeses", and it is so yummy that it isn't that easy to put it down when full. I do it in part to be healthier, but also to help with environmental stuff. Also, I have been reading up on a lot of stuff that says that just because it says it's a certian way (like with the free-range labeled eggs, etc, there is no law for it so you don't really know) doesn't mean it is. Being that I don't personally know what is going into (being fed to, etc) cows and chickens and so on, I don't want to risk it. To be honest, if I did know (like, say, raised pigs for meat or whatnot) I really wouldn't be able to do it because I would get attached and so on. If I couldn't kill it myself, I don't think I should eat it. As for dairy, I'm lactose intolerant and find it a little gross; eggs, once again I find it a bit gross. That is just my opinion, and my choice. I personally feel that the way I am eating, etc, is a bit healthier than other options. Anyone can get cancer. There have even been men with breast cancer. I just want to do what I can to prevent what I can. And I honestly feel a lot better since I have been vegan. Now I just get to tackle my allergies...lol. ~Kriscyndikrall wrote: Well, as long as you stay healthy, then that's fine. But vegans get cancer too. I personally think that when you starve your body of good fats, that is as bad for you as eating junk food. Many vitamin are fat soluble. On an evolutionary scale, humans have eaten and drank animal products for eons. Un pasteurized and homogenized, of course, with their meat naturally "organic." It's when we started sticking our animals into crowded, unhealthy conditions, feeding them crap, and then tried to fix the problems with drugs, that we started getting into trouble. Know what what you eat eats, too. :-) I can say all this because I've tried every single diet on the planet, including vegetarianism. What I've come to believe FOR MYSELF is that it's not excluding anything that will keep me healthy, it's eating the best, most unrefined foods that will. cyndi In a message dated 3/14/2008 1:54:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strange_decadence writes: Hi, just a few cents from your friendly neighborhood VEGAN (don't eat meat, or dairy, or eggs, still on the fence about honey personally)... Butter is included in the dairy category, there for I don't eat it. Actually, I stopped (ok, I cheated with some ice cream or a milkshake now and then, but don't anymore) eating dairy a while back. I sat down one day and thought about where it comes from, what this milk really is. Being that it is a bodily fluid of another species, it made me feel a lil disgusted... and really does now. No other memeber of the animal kingdom nurses past maturity. Why are we drinking milk? It just didn't make sense to me. I fell in love with soy milk (comes in vanilla AND chocolate, or plain... wow) and now am mesmerized by the other kinds of "milk" that our out there (almond, hemp, etc). Becoming vegan just opened up a whole other way to learn about replacing dairy and such, and how to handle questions like where I get my calcium (most veggies have more than human breast milk does) and protien (soy rocks for this, I love every form of it, too). I know that not everyone shares my view on things, but I do believe that we can live withough any kind of meat and dairy (including butter) even better. I know that people will still get cancer and heart disease and more, but I think it would be a lot less. Add on organic and all natural foods to that... and yay! Healthier all around. I have found the facts to prove this, but there are "facts" out there to prove almost everything. I just believe that mine make more sense...lol. So no butter for me, as long as I can help it. They do make a soy "butter" though that I have yet to try. I have recently been cooking with coconut oil and it has done well, but cooking with extra virgin olive oil is a long time habit for me. I have heard that at high heats it is bad bad bad for you, it releases toxins or something. I can't really remember, it is kinda blended in my mind with all the vegan stuffs and other information I have used. ~Kris Barbara <barbara3 (AT) tampabay (DOT) rr.com> wrote: I want to stress here that butter in not 'fine', but it is essential to your health. It protects your heart and arteries. Also, it does not have to be eaten in 'moderation' but used for all your daily cooking and eating needs. The more butter you eat, the healthier you get. Butter is just that good. You are right about margarine. It is an abomination! Glad that you try to eat healthier and don't pay attention to nay sayers who want you to be on their level of disease. These people are not educated and brainwashed. Barbara I am just jumping in on the conversation here and I do not claim to be a expert. But I wanted to add about the real butter. Butter is actually better for you then margarine and other "vegetable" spreads. If you look into it you can see that those spreads are actually one process away from being a type of plastic material. I know it sounds crazy but its true. Butter is fine in moderation. You don't want to eat a stick a day but I would rather eat real butter then almost plastic! Also, I think sicknesses have been around forever but that doesn't mean that the things we are consuming aren't making them worse. I am new to eating healthier and trying to be more green. I grew up eating everything processed and bad. The more I think about it the more I wonder why we put unnatural things in our bodies and think that over time there will be no side effects. Now I have not cut everything bad from my diet... especially because what is bad and not bad depends on who you ask. I also find it frustrating when I think I am doing something better and then 100 people tell me I made a mistake. My best advice is to do your research. And do what you and your heart and body tell you is right. There is NO right or wrong way to live. We all just have to do whats best for us. And the only ones who know what is best is us. Don't forget to check out my blog at:www.roguedecadence.vox.com & my online store at:www.roguedecadence.etsy.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Don't forget to check out my blog at:www.roguedecadence.vox.com & my online store at:www.roguedecadence.etsy.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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