Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 This is nothing new, but I thought I'd pass on this link for benefit on any new people who might not be aware of the dangers of microwave cooking. Barbara, how's that little "Turbo" oven you got? Do you still love it?Cyndi http://www.relfe.com/microwave.htmlSee what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Yes! The more I cook in it the more I love it. In fact I just gave away my microwave oven last week. I haven't used it in more than a year. Now the turbo is sitting in it's place Barbara This is nothing new, but I thought I'd pass on this link for benefit on any new people who might not be aware of the dangers of microwave cooking. Barbara, how's that little "Turbo" oven you got? Do you still love it?Cyndi http://www.relfe.com/microwave.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 We got rid of our microwave for that reason. I will not eat anything that's been microwaved. Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 What kind of fun stuff do you make in it? i know you're cooking for one, but I'm just curious, lol. cyndi In a message dated 6/12/2007 4:57:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, barbara3 writes: Yes! The more I cook in it the more I love it. In fact I just gave away my microwave oven last week. I haven't used it in more than a year. Now the turbo is sitting in it's place Barbara This is nothing new, but I thought I'd pass on this link for benefit on any new people who might not be aware of the dangers of microwave cooking. Barbara, how's that little "Turbo" oven you got? Do you still love it?Cyndi See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Did you lose any weight on that diet, Barbara? The oven sounds great-I'm still not ready to buy one, but I'm glad to hear the testimonials. I've found it VERY easy to live without my microwave, easier than I thought it would be, lol. I'm not sure I even need to get a Turbo to replace it. But you never know.... Thanks for the info! :-) Cyndi In a message dated 6/14/2007 8:38:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, barbara3 writes: Sorry to disappoint you, but I use it sparingly. As you know I want to lose 10 to 15 pounds so I went on the raw milk diet and do not use that oven presently. When I did, I was making very simple things like baking meat with veggies or broiling steaks. I know that I can also bake cakes in it but did not try this because I don't eat cakes or cookies. The booklet is telling me that I can bake in it. What is very important to me is that the oven and the Pyrex bowls (pots) are very easy to clean. No scrubbing necessary. That's about all I can tell you about the oven. Barbara PS. Before you buy one for yourself, contact me again and I will tell you more about it. What kind of fun stuff do you make in it? i know you're cooking for one, but I'm just curious, lol. cyndi See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Sorry to disappoint you, but I use it sparingly. As you know I want to lose 10 to 15 pounds so I went on the raw milk diet and do not use that oven presently. When I did, I was making very simple things like baking meat with veggies or broiling steaks. I know that I can also bake cakes in it but did not try this because I don't eat cakes or cookies. The booklet is telling me that I can bake in it. What is very important to me is that the oven and the Pyrex bowls (pots) are very easy to clean. No scrubbing necessary. That's about all I can tell you about the oven. Barbara PS. Before you buy one for yourself, contact me again and I will tell you more about it. What kind of fun stuff do you make in it? i know you're cooking for one, but I'm just curious, lol. cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Oh, I still think the Turbo oven is wonderful! And for one or two people, I think it would be perfect. But there's still four of us, and I'm afraid I wouldn't get the use out of it, at this point. When it's just Kail and me, I'm sure I'll use it a lot. It's a small convection oven, so it's not really a substitute for a microwave, but it can be used like one, or like a regular oven. I think they are awesome, lol. For defrosting, I've just gotten into the habit of taking out a bunch of meat on a Sunday, and using it up during the week. But I know you go to work and don't have time to think about things like that. I know I didn't! I got an electric kettle when I was going thru chemo, and I really love it. I still use it at least once a day. Even Kail has started drinking more tea since it is so easy and convenient to use it. It sits right next to my juicer, lolol. Cyndi In a message dated 6/14/2007 9:41:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cbrowne writes: I hear ya, Cyndi. I rarely touch my microwave anymore and could easily live without it EXCEPT for thawing frozen meat packets. (I just have to learn to plan ahead and let the meat thaw in the frig overnight!) Even though it's safer than a microwave, I personally wouldn't bother with a Turbo Oven. I've learned to relax and enjoy "slow food." Why the rush? At least for me, I find life too short to race through it all the time, and I no longer desire to take short-cuts with my food. There is something satisfying about a simmering pot on the stove... Roman still uses the microwave to heat water for his tea--despite the fact that I keep a tea kettle with water in it at all times--but he can learn to adapt when I get ready to pitch it, heh-heh. --Celia-- - cyndikrall RealSimple Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:04 PM Re: [RealSimple] Microwave cooking Did you lose any weight on that diet, Barbara? The oven sounds great-I'm still not ready to buy one, but I'm glad to hear the testimonials. I've found it VERY easy to live without my microwave, easier than I thought it would be, lol. I'm not sure I even need to get a Turbo to replace it. But you never know.... Thanks for the info! :-) Cyndi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Don't say that too loud or they'll be raising the price! LOL. ;-)Cyndi In a message dated 6/14/2007 10:28:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, barbara3 writes: I started losing in the beginning, but then I'm not terribly serious about the diet. I also eat nuts and peanuts and Hunza bread too. So the diet went out the window. The turbo was not a replacement for microwave oven. It was a help in simple cooking. I'd rather use the turbo than the range oven and I do like the steaks which I only ate at the restaurants because I would not grill at home. Now I can eat steaks whenever I want them. So for me that turbo is worth every penny I paid for it. I still can not get over how can they sell something like that so cheap.... LOL Barbara See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I hear ya, Cyndi. I rarely touch my microwave anymore and could easily live without it EXCEPT for thawing frozen meat packets. (I just have to learn to plan ahead and let the meat thaw in the frig overnight!) Even though it's safer than a microwave, I personally wouldn't bother with a Turbo Oven. I've learned to relax and enjoy "slow food." Why the rush? At least for me, I find life too short to race through it all the time, and I no longer desire to take short-cuts with my food. There is something satisfying about a simmering pot on the stove... Roman still uses the microwave to heat water for his tea--despite the fact that I keep a tea kettle with water in it at all times--but he can learn to adapt when I get ready to pitch it, heh-heh. --Celia-- - cyndikrall RealSimple Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:04 PM Re: [RealSimple] Microwave cooking Did you lose any weight on that diet, Barbara? The oven sounds great-I'm still not ready to buy one, but I'm glad to hear the testimonials. I've found it VERY easy to live without my microwave, easier than I thought it would be, lol. I'm not sure I even need to get a Turbo to replace it. But you never know.... Thanks for the info! :-) Cyndi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 I started losing in the beginning, but then I'm not terribly serious about the diet. I also eat nuts and peanuts and Hunza bread too. So the diet went out the window. The turbo was not a replacement for microwave oven. It was a help in simple cooking. I'd rather use the turbo than the range oven and I do like the steaks which I only ate at the restaurants because I would not grill at home. Now I can eat steaks whenever I want them. So for me that turbo is worth every penny I paid for it. I still can not get over how can they sell something like that so cheap.... LOL Barbara Did you lose any weight on that diet, Barbara? The oven sounds great-I'm still not ready to buy one, but I'm glad to hear the testimonials. I've found it VERY easy to live without my microwave, easier than I thought it would be, lol. I'm not sure I even need to get a Turbo to replace it. But you never know.... Thanks for the info! :-) Cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Yes, it *would* be convenient for two people, Cyndi! Didn't mean to imply that it was not a worthy item for the right person or situation, and there is *certainly* nothing wrong with taking short-cuts (as long as they are not unhealthy alternatives such as microwaves). I'm just at a place in my life where I don't want to hurry anymore. I LOVE all day cooking on Sunday, so speeding up the process holds no interest for me. (At least right now, heehee.) I adore the smell of a slow simmering soup or stew, or a slow-baked loaf of bread in the oven. The odor of cinnamon and baking apples, butternut squash and whole chickens wafting from the stove on a warm autumn day just takes me back to a more serene time of my life. After a life time of using every short-cut in the book, it feels good...to ME. LOL! (((HUGS))) --Cee-- P.S. As for thawing meat ahead of time...it's just a matter of developing better habits, hahaha. I don't work quite so many hours any more so I can't use that as an excuse anymore! <wink-wink> - cyndikrall RealSimple Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:38 PM Re: [RealSimple] Microwave cooking Oh, I still think the Turbo oven is wonderful! And for one or two people, I think it would be perfect. But there's still four of us, and I'm afraid I wouldn't get the use out of it, at this point. When it's just Kail and me, I'm sure I'll use it a lot. It's a small convection oven, so it's not really a substitute for a microwave, but it can be used like one, or like a regular oven. I think they are awesome, lol. For defrosting, I've just gotten into the habit of taking out a bunch of meat on a Sunday, and using it up during the week. But I know you go to work and don't have time to think about things like that. I know I didn't! I got an electric kettle when I was going thru chemo, and I really love it. I still use it at least once a day. Even Kail has started drinking more tea since it is so easy and convenient to use it. It sits right next to my juicer, lolol. Cyndi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Cooking can be wonderful stress relief! I enjoy cooking when it's something *I* want to eat, which isn't often enough, lol. At least you have more time for it now. ;-)Cyndi In a message dated 6/14/2007 12:04:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cbrowne writes: Yes, it *would* be convenient for two people, Cyndi! Didn't mean to imply that it was not a worthy item for the right person or situation, and there is *certainly* nothing wrong with taking short-cuts (as long as they are not unhealthy alternatives such as microwaves). I'm just at a place in my life where I don't want to hurry anymore. I LOVE all day cooking on Sunday, so speeding up the process holds no interest for me. (At least right now, heehee.) I adore the smell of a slow simmering soup or stew, or a slow-baked loaf of bread in the oven. The odor of cinnamon and baking apples, butternut squash and whole chickens wafting from the stove on a warm autumn day just takes me back to a more serene time of my life. After a life time of using every short-cut in the book, it feels good...to ME. LOL! (((HUGS))) --Cee-- P.S. As for thawing meat ahead of time...it's just a matter of developing better habits, hahaha. I don't work quite so many hours any more so I can't use that as an excuse anymore! <wink-wink> See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Yeah...I know.... I was whispering BTW, that turbo oven is big enough to hold two chickens if you would put them straight in the body. I use a Pyrex dish because I don't need so much food for one person. This oven is BIG. Barbara Don't say that too loud or they'll be raising the price! LOL. ;-)Cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Bob, Here are some references on potential hazards of microwave cooking: http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards.htm The Hidden Hazards Of Microwave Cooking by Anthony Wayne and Lawrence Newell http://www.all-natural.com/microwa1.html Hidden Hazards of Microwave Cooking Recent research shows that microwave oven-cooked food suffers severe molecular damage. When eaten, it causes abnormal changes in human blood and immune systems. Not surprisingly, the public has been denied details on these significant health dangers. Extracted from NEXUS Magazine, Volume 2, #25 (April-May '95). http://chetday.com/microwave.html The Hidden Hazards of Microwave Cooking http://chetday.com/microwave2.html Court Removes Gag Order from Swiss Scientist on Microwaved Food These articles all refer to the work of Hans Hertel, a Swiss medical researcher. Do a Google search for " hans hertel microwaved food " for more information. For over 20 years I've recommended that my own clients avoid microwaved food. Consistent with the articles above, I'll share an anecdote from one of my students: she gave a whole-herb formula to a client, which seemed to have no results for several weeks. After learning that client was microwaving the herbal formula to cook it, she advised him to cook it on a stove instead. Within a few days the formula began to work as expected. I have observed this phenomena quite a few times. To my own taste, a lot of microwaved foods tastes inferior, and if its taste is degraded, I can readily believe that this suggests there might be something unhealthy about it. I advise my clients to avoid even warming up their herb tea in a microwave. When considering new technology, my operating assumption is that it is unsafe until proven otherwise. Users should not have the burden of proof that it is unsafe. ---Roger Wicke PhD Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute website: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/ email: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ On 2008.Jun.20, at 12:33, wrote: > As for whether I believe that microwaves are deleterious to the qi of > food cooked in a microwave oven and, therefore, are deleterious to > human health, I have no idea because I lack any concrete evidence. If > you or anyone presents rationally compelling evidence of such a > deleterious effect, then I would be more than happy to entertain that > notion. However, I strongly believe that professional practitioners of > medicine, albeit CM, should present some sort of evidence before > publishing such beliefs on a forum such as this. As I perhaps more > than anyone else on this forum know, when you put thoughts in print, > these thoughts take on a life of their own. As Ben Franklin says in > the TV drama about John Adams (part 2), thinking out loud is the > source of many of the problems in this world. > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Scientific evidence aside, as Chinese medical practitioners we are obligated to develop a relationship with Qi. It does not take a Qi Gong master to confirm that the microwaved food or medicine has altered Qi. It's pretty simple. Feel it for yourself. _____ On Behalf Of Roger Wicke Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:12 AM Re: Microwave cooking Bob, Here are some references on potential hazards of microwave cooking: http://www.mercola. <http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards.htm> com/article/microwave/hazards.htm The Hidden Hazards Of Microwave Cooking by Anthony Wayne and Lawrence Newell http://www.all- <http://www.all-natural.com/microwa1.html> natural.com/microwa1.html Hidden Hazards of Microwave Cooking Recent research shows that microwave oven-cooked food suffers severe molecular damage. When eaten, it causes abnormal changes in human blood and immune systems. Not surprisingly, the public has been denied details on these significant health dangers. Extracted from NEXUS Magazine, Volume 2, #25 (April-May '95). http://chetday. <http://chetday.com/microwave.html> com/microwave.html The Hidden Hazards of Microwave Cooking http://chetday. <http://chetday.com/microwave2.html> com/microwave2.html Court Removes Gag Order from Swiss Scientist on Microwaved Food These articles all refer to the work of Hans Hertel, a Swiss medical researcher. Do a Google search for " hans hertel microwaved food " for more information. For over 20 years I've recommended that my own clients avoid microwaved food. Consistent with the articles above, I'll share an anecdote from one of my students: she gave a whole-herb formula to a client, which seemed to have no results for several weeks. After learning that client was microwaving the herbal formula to cook it, she advised him to cook it on a stove instead. Within a few days the formula began to work as expected. I have observed this phenomena quite a few times. To my own taste, a lot of microwaved foods tastes inferior, and if its taste is degraded, I can readily believe that this suggests there might be something unhealthy about it. I advise my clients to avoid even warming up their herb tea in a microwave. When considering new technology, my operating assumption is that it is unsafe until proven otherwise. Users should not have the burden of proof that it is unsafe. ---Roger Wicke PhD Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute website: http://www.rmhiherb <http://www.rmhiherbal.org/> al.org/ email: http://www.rmhiherb <http://www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/> al.org/contact/ On 2008.Jun.20, at 12:33, @ <%40> wrote: > As for whether I believe that microwaves are deleterious to the qi of > food cooked in a microwave oven and, therefore, are deleterious to > human health, I have no idea because I lack any concrete evidence. If > you or anyone presents rationally compelling evidence of such a > deleterious effect, then I would be more than happy to entertain that > notion. However, I strongly believe that professional practitioners of > medicine, albeit CM, should present some sort of evidence before > publishing such beliefs on a forum such as this. As I perhaps more > than anyone else on this forum know, when you put thoughts in print, > these thoughts take on a life of their own. As Ben Franklin says in > the TV drama about John Adams (part 2), thinking out loud is the > source of many of the problems in this world. > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 , <kip wrote: > > Scientific evidence aside, as Chinese medical practitioners we are > obligated to develop a relationship with Qi. It does not take a Qi Gong > master to confirm that the microwaved food or medicine has altered Qi. It's > pretty simple. Feel it for yourself. > There is a difference between saying that the qi has been altered and saying that something had a deletrious effect on the qi. Of course the qi gets altered. Time itself will alter the qi of a substance. That is the nature of change and life as we know it. Furthermore, your comment above is a bit arrogant. It is a statement of fact in Qigong that the " yi " leads the " qi. " Therefore, it should be obvious that biases or pre-conceived notions about perceptions of qi can and will affect those perceptions. Bob was right in my book for enquiring about evidence from the original poster. Brian C. Allen, MSTOM Oriental Medicine and Health Services http://omhs.biz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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