Soy Products

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Hi Lynn,

Yes, there are concerns about soy that are very real. That said, I have a

soy milk smoothie nearly daily as well! But the problems with soy in my

opinion, after reading many of the same things as on the site you sent, is

that people hear something is good for them, so they jump on the bandwagon

and overeat, thinking more is better. What is good is moderate portions of

fermented soy, which is what makes the Japanese people so healthy in a ll

the studies done. Unfermented soy in large amounts (like isolated

supplements and soy foods used as substitutes for other foods, like soy

burgers, soy cheese, etc.) can cause problems. As a whole, what concerns me

most for myself now and as I age (I'm only 32, but I think of my mum here as

well, who is menopausal) is protecting my thyroid and cognitive brain

function. If you eat your soy with kelp and fish of another acceptable

essential fatty acid, like flax, you are balancing your diet and protecting

what soy has been shown to destroy. I also wouldn't give my children (when

I have them!) soy b/c of the hormonal factors. My position on soy is

obviously an individual one, but for me, moderate amounts of soy are

necessary in my diet. I have endometriosis and it helps balance my hormones

and lessen my symptoms. If you have a balanced diet of whole foods that

includes lots of veggies, essential fatty acids, kelp and moderate amounts

of soy, I believe that you have nothing to worry about. If you are eating

lots of processed soy foods and your diet isn't focised on whole, pure

foods, you may want to re-evaluate. Oh, and you should always make sure

that any soy you eat is organically grown and non-GMO, b/c if not, there are

a wealth more concerns added to the list!

 

Debbie

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Soy Products

 

 

> I make soy shakes everyday with different

> fruits in it. I read some scary stuff today

> in a newspaper article. They also gave a link

> to go to for further info on its dangers:

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> http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

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> Has anyone heard of this before?

> Wanted to share and get others input.

> Tofu was apart of this article.

>

> Thanks,

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn

This is very scary as one does not know waht to believe.

I have been eating soy products quite often and am on a certain diet with soy

bars being an important snack for just starting menopause.... How does one

know waht to believe after reading articales such as this and then other

articles that are so pro soy?

Carol in NJ

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol :-)

 

I look at things like this: moderation is the key to happiness and

wellness and variety is the spice of life. Don't over do anything, keep

a healthy balance in life, and don't believe anything that is hyped as

being a miracle or totally wonderful by huge companies *LOL*

 

A little bit of soy in your diet isn't going to harm you (unless you

have a severe allergy to it), but on the same token don't go out and eat

a diet that predominantly consists of processed soy burgers either

Stress is the biggest killer of all. Eat well, eat a diet that has a

HUGE variety of unprocessed natural foods in it, exercise and be happy.

With that combination you'll do quite alright :-)

 

That's just my humble opinion though. (I don't have my degree in

holistic nutrition YET, but I am seriously looking into it :-) )

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

 

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crwilm [crwilm]

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:08 AM

 

Re: Soy Products

 

Hi Lynn

This is very scary as one does not know waht to believe.

I have been eating soy products quite often and am on a certain diet

with soy

bars being an important snack for just starting menopause.... How does

one

know waht to believe after reading articales such as this and then other

 

articles that are so pro soy?

Carol in NJ

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh, but Chris, it is my humble opinion, too, so we must be right, LOL!

Seriously, though, it is all about whole foods.

 

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> Hi Carol :-)

>

> I look at things like this: moderation is the key to happiness and

> wellness and variety is the spice of life. Don't over do anything, keep

> a healthy balance in life, and don't believe anything that is hyped as

> being a miracle or totally wonderful by huge companies *LOL*

>

> A little bit of soy in your diet isn't going to harm you (unless you

> have a severe allergy to it), but on the same token don't go out and eat

> a diet that predominantly consists of processed soy burgers either

> Stress is the biggest killer of all. Eat well, eat a diet that has a

> HUGE variety of unprocessed natural foods in it, exercise and be happy.

> With that combination you'll do quite alright :-)

>

> That's just my humble opinion though. (I don't have my degree in

> holistic nutrition YET, but I am seriously looking into it :-) )

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

>

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

>

>

> crwilm [crwilm]

> Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:08 AM

>

> Re: Soy Products

>

> Hi Lynn

> This is very scary as one does not know waht to believe.

> I have been eating soy products quite often and am on a certain diet

> with soy

> bars being an important snack for just starting menopause.... How does

> one

> know waht to believe after reading articales such as this and then other

>

> articles that are so pro soy?

> Carol in NJ

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Chris,

You do have the right idea.

carol

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

can you pleae cite a source of info on this subject?

 

 

medusa

 

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Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:27 AM

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> One issue I know regarding soy products is that if you have low thyroid

> (hypothyroid), you should not take soy products, because it decreases

> thyroid production.

>

> Dede

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Hi Cee;

 

This is what Nourishing traditions has to say about soy:"We have already seen that both fats and cab=rbs can be devitalized by processing and refining. The same can be said of proteins. isolated protein powders made from soy, whey, casein, and egg whites are currently popular as basic ingredients in diet beverages and many so-called health food products. These protein isolates are usually obtained by a high-temperature process that over-denatures the proteins to such an extent that they become virtually useless while increasing nitrates and other carcinogens. Protein powders are often consumed as part of a lowfat diet and can thereby lead to depletion of vitamin A and D reserves. Soy protein isolates are high in mineral-blocking phytates, thyroid depressing phytoestrogens and potent enzyme inhibitors that depress growth ans cause cancer.

 

Diets in which unnatural isolated powdered proteins from soy, eggs, or milk, are fed to animals or humans cause a negative calcium balance that can lead to bone loss. Meat or milk-as opposed to protein powders-fe dto human subjects do not cause calcium loss nor do they contribute to osteoporosis.

 

Range fed beef that is finished with several weeks of grain feeding is ok, as long as the grains are organic and no cottonseed meal or soy protein is added to the feed.

 

Vitamin K-This fat soluble compound is needed for blood clotting and plays an important role in bone formation. Vitamin K given to post-menopausal women helps prevent bone loss. It is found in liver, egg yolks, butter, grains, dark leafy vegetables, vegetables of the cabbage family, and fermented foods like MISO.

 

Whole Foods give good health; enzyme ric foods provide limitless energy.

 

Cultured soybean products from Asia, such as natto and miso, are another good source of enzymes IF THESE FOODS ARE EATEN UNHEATED. Even after being subjected to heat, fermented foods are more easily assimilated because they have been predigested by enzymes.

 

Soy foods usually contain MSG.

 

Soybeans are high in phytates and contain potent enzyme inihibitors that are only deactivated by fermentation and not by ordinary cooking. These inhibitors can lead to protein assimilation problems in those who consume unfermented soy products regularly. Soybeans must not be used like other legumes in soups and other dishes but only as fermented products like miso, natto, and tempeh. It is also a mistake to rely on tofu or bean curd as a protein because of its high phytate content. Those who wish to eat tofu would be wise to imitate the Japanese who eat small amounts of tofu in fish broth and not as a substitute for animal products. Soy milk, often substituted for cows milk, also has a high phytate content and can lead to mineral deficiencies. Phytoestrogens, found in soy foods, although touted as panaceas for heart disease, cancer and osteoporosis, are potent endocrine disrupters, as well as goitrogens-substances that depress thyroid function. Phytoestrogens are not removed by fermenting or modern processing. "

 

There's more in the book, if anyone is interested in hearing it. But this is the general gist. i really like Nourishing Traditions. I'll comment more on the soy thing later-I have a very persistent cat on my lap, lol.

 

Cyndi

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 5:01:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cbrowne writes:

 

Hello, all!

 

I have a dilemma. Anyone out there enjoy soy products the way I do? I have always loved tofu, tempeh and edamame, and have always been inclined to believe that any health benefits (if any) come from eating the product in it's most natural or fermented form...not when consumed as a refined product or in a pill. I don't care that soy products have been vastly overrated and false claims have been made about the product--that's just standard American marketing practice. (Doesn't make it right, mind you...it's just par for the course and I take it with a grain of salt.) Despite the hype, I'm not as gullible as the average consumer...point being that I ate soy because I liked it, not because I fell for the load that was hoisted on the public.

 

Here's my dilemma...having enjoyed these foods for the last 20 years or so, I am now reading more and more about the "dangers" of soy, and I'm wondering how much is true and how much is backlash? I don't care if it's not going to cure every disease I could ever encounter, but I also don't want to get sick from it. I have now cut way back until I have more conclusive evidence from a trusted third party, as even the "danger" studies are somewhat suspect and not entirely done well. One study for instance came to the conclusion that tofu had some serious effects on the brain...but it turned out that the study was limited to a very small island population, only about 60 men were studied (no women or children) and they had a suspicious water supply that my have contaminated their food supply for many years prior to investigation. The problem is that there are w-a-y too many studies about soy--both pro and con--that have been performed under "unscientific" methods or with premature conclusions...OR more importantly, have a "follow the money" trail.

 

Bottom line is that I do not want to deprive myself of a much loved food if it's not necessary! So for now I am limiting my consumption but really missing it. I think I've read everything there is to read on the internet about the subject (though I could be wrong!), so I'm looking more for your thoughts and feedback.

 

Ladies and gents? What do you think???

 

--Celia--

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello, all!

 

I have a dilemma. Anyone out there enjoy soy products the way I do? I have always loved tofu, tempeh and edamame, and have always been inclined to believe that any health benefits (if any) come from eating the product in it's most natural or fermented form...not when consumed as a refined product or in a pill. I don't care that soy products have been vastly overrated and false claims have been made about the product--that's just standard American marketing practice. (Doesn't make it right, mind you...it's just par for the course and I take it with a grain of salt.) Despite the hype, I'm not as gullible as the average consumer...point being that I ate soy because I liked it, not because I fell for the load that was hoisted on the public.

 

Here's my dilemma...having enjoyed these foods for the last 20 years or so, I am now reading more and more about the "dangers" of soy, and I'm wondering how much is true and how much is backlash? I don't care if it's not going to cure every disease I could ever encounter, but I also don't want to get sick from it. I have now cut way back until I have more conclusive evidence from a trusted third party, as even the "danger" studies are somewhat suspect and not entirely done well. One study for instance came to the conclusion that tofu had some serious effects on the brain...but it turned out that the study was limited to a very small island population, only about 60 men were studied (no women or children) and they had a suspicious water supply that my have contaminated their food supply for many years prior to investigation. The problem is that there are w-a-y too many studies about soy--both pro and con--that have been performed under "unscientific" methods or with premature conclusions...OR more importantly, have a "follow the money" trail.

 

Bottom line is that I do not want to deprive myself of a much loved food if it's not necessary! So for now I am limiting my consumption but really missing it. I think I've read everything there is to read on the internet about the subject (though I could be wrong!), so I'm looking more for your thoughts and feedback.

 

Ladies and gents? What do you think???

 

--Celia--

 

[Guest guest]

Celia, I probably read the same articles on the net you did but I believe that soy products are damaging people's health. They rob the bones of calcium and damage the thyroid which is the master gland of the body. There are other, lesser problems with soy.

All soy products are bad and the fermented ones only marginally OK to eat.

 

So sorry that you like them so much that you are missing them.

 

I know a man who was eating lots of soy and used soy "milk" exclusively and he broke a bone (or two) every time he fell. He is not using soy anymore, thank goodness. This is the only one case that I know of personally.

 

So, this is my opinion, for better or worse.

 

Barbara

 

 

 

Bottom line is that I do not want to deprive myself of a much loved food if it's not necessary! So for now I am limiting my consumption but really missing it. I think I've read everything there is to read on the internet about the subject (though I could be wrong!), so I'm looking more for your thoughts and feedback.

 

Ladies and gents? What do you think???

 

--Celia--

 

[Guest guest]

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 7:55:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cbrowne writes:

 

If true, that's sad for me, but I guess I'll make the adjustment. I read the arguments against soy on the Mercola site, and it seems to be well documented, though again, who are the people funding these studies and why? I am probably skeptical because I don't want it to be true, LOL! Whaaaaaaa.......

 

As for one person who eats soy breaking a bone, well, I can't take that too seriously as that's an isolated incident and the brain/thyroid damage link is much stronger argument. Not going to rule it out, mind you, but he might have been an "over-consumer" of soy products also. My grandmother died at 90 plus years old in perfect health except osteoporosis. Every bone in her body crumbled until her chest completely collapsed and she could no longer breathe. This is a woman who never ate a bite of soy in her life but ate a *very* heavy meat diet. One could contribute her death to animal protein as there is a proven connection between animal protein and osteoporosis, but if one examines the picture more clearly, it was her *over-consumption* of animal protein that most likely caused it, not normal consumption. (Third world women almost never get osteoporosis until they move to the West and begin to overeat animal protein like so many Americans do. It's the old "everything in moderation" argument.)

 

Ah, well...I gave up soy milk some time ago and I'm doing okay. I guess getting rid of a little tofu and tempeh won't kill me either. *sniff*

 

Thanks for the info, Barbara. <smiles>

 

--Celia--

 

RealSimple , "Barbara" <barbara3 wrote:>> Celia, I probably read the same articles on the net you did but I believe that soy products are damaging people's health. They rob the bones of calcium and damage the thyroid which is the master gland of the body. There are other, lesser problems with soy. > All soy products are bad and the fermented ones only marginally OK to eat. > > So sorry that you like them so much that you are missing them. > > I know a man who was eating lots of soy and used soy "milk" exclusively and he broke a bone (or two) every time he fell. He is not using soy anymore, thank goodness. This is the only one case that I know of personally. > > So, this is my opinion, for better or worse.> > Barbara > >

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oops, i'm not sure what i just sent to the list, lol.

 

Anyway! I would have to say that it is possible that it WAS the meat that caused your grandmothers osteoporosis IF she wasn't eating grass fed meat. It IS proven that traditional grain fed meat is unhealthy. I know we've talked about this before-cattle fed grains acidifies their meat, which in turn acidifies our blood when we eat it. Then our bodies use calcium to compensate for this and to bring our bodies back into balance.

 

Not even to mention what the hormones and antibiotics are doing to us. I don't know if it directly causes osteoporosis...

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 7:55:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cbrowne writes:

My grandmother died at 90 plus years old in perfect health except osteoporosis. Every bone in her body crumbled until her chest completely collapsed and she could no longer breathe. This is a woman who never ate a bite of soy in her life but ate a *very* heavy meat diet. One could contribute her death to animal protein as there is a proven connection between animal protein and osteoporosis, but if one examines the picture more clearly, it was her *over-consumption* of animal protein that most likely caused it, not normal consumption. (Third world women almost never get osteoporosis until they move to the West and begin to overeat animal protein like so many Americans do. It's the old "everything in moderation" argument.)

 

 

[Guest guest]

Absolutely! NT talks about how some people naturally do well with less meat in their diets, and visa versa. There is no "perfect" diet for everyone. I know carbs are very dangerous for ME personally, but someone else might not have any problem with them. If I stick to the caveman diet, lol, I have very few problems. How do I know this? By eliminating all carbs from my diet, and then adding them back in slowly, one at a time, and documenting the results.

 

I eat fruit because it satisfies my sweet tooth and keeps me away from sweets. I stay away from sweets because sugar is like poison to ME personally. Again, I can clearly track the impact of sugar on my system when I eat it. Even my beloved chocolate (lol) has an adverse effect on me, so I limit it.

 

I've never eaten soy cheese, so I can't comment. But if I were to eat soy products, i would make sure they were organic so I wasn't eating GMO soy...and I'd make sure they were fermented, too. But that's just me.... :-)

 

I don't think ANYONE should stress over food. But I DO believe we should eat the absolute BEST quality food we can find, because our health depends on it. It's easy to justify what we compromise on, food wise, until we get sick. Then we (should) evaluate everything we eat as a possible cause OR cure...

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 8:58:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cbrowne writes:

Oh, you just reminded me of something else I love...soy cheese! You know what? It's like Cyndi said before...everyone has different needs and we cannot stress out over it. No one's diet will ever be "perfect." In the big picture, if they have it once in a while it's not going to kill them. I'm just going to keep it a minimum and not worry about it myself...--Cee--

 

 

[Guest guest]

If true, that's sad for me, but I guess I'll make the adjustment. I read the arguments against soy on the Mercola site, and it seems to be well documented, though again, who are the people funding these studies and why? I am probably skeptical because I don't want it to be true, LOL! Whaaaaaaa.......

 

As for one person who eats soy breaking a bone, well, I can't take that too seriously as that's an isolated incident and the brain/thyroid damage link is much stronger argument. Not going to rule it out, mind you, but he might have been an "over-consumer" of soy products also. My grandmother died at 90 plus years old in perfect health except osteoporosis. Every bone in her body crumbled until her chest completely collapsed and she could no longer breathe. This is a woman who never ate a bite of soy in her life but ate a *very* heavy meat diet. One could contribute her death to animal protein as there is a proven connection between animal protein and osteoporosis, but if one examines the picture more clearly, it was her *over-consumption* of animal protein that most likely caused it, not normal consumption. (Third world women almost never get osteoporosis until they move to the West and begin to overeat animal protein like so many Americans do. It's the old "everything in moderation" argument.)

 

Ah, well...I gave up soy milk some time ago and I'm doing okay. I guess getting rid of a little tofu and tempeh won't kill me either. *sniff*

 

Thanks for the info, Barbara. <smiles>

 

--Celia--

 

RealSimple , "Barbara" <barbara3 wrote:>> Celia, I probably read the same articles on the net you did but I believe that soy products are damaging people's health. They rob the bones of calcium and damage the thyroid which is the master gland of the body. There are other, lesser problems with soy. > All soy products are bad and the fermented ones only marginally OK to eat. > > So sorry that you like them so much that you are missing them. > > I know a man who was eating lots of soy and used soy "milk" exclusively and he broke a bone (or two) every time he fell. He is not using soy anymore, thank goodness. This is the only one case that I know of personally. > > So, this is my opinion, for better or worse.> > Barbara > >

 

[Guest guest]

Celia, tempeh is OK, it is fermented soy, tofu is not. Remember the Shirataki noodles I was talking about some time ago? I eat them maybe once a month and they are made of tofu. Once in a while is OK to eat ANYTHING, even health damaging foods.

 

Talking about your grandmother, well, I'm not that convinced that her meat consumption did her in. She was 90+???? Well, don't we have to die of something? Goodness, if her eating habits made her lasting into 90s....wow! I will go into her footsteps.. LOL Like you, I'm skeptical also because I don't want it to be true..LOLOL I was on the Atkins diet and loved it. I felt best on it and I'm still on low carb diet but not as strict as Atkins. And I still feel good.

 

10,000 years ago humans were hunters/gatherers. They were very healthy and tall, well over 6'. Fossils prove this. Unfortunately, about that time they discovered agriculture and GRAINS.... Well, the transfer to more vegetarian diet took a toll of their health. Their bones and their teeth suffered and they did not grow much over 5'. They also died younger, much younger. Also, the Masai tribe in Africa lives mostly on meat, blood and milk. And look how healthy, tall and straight they are. Their teeth are gorgeous. So, I think humans should eat meat, animal fats, vegetables and a little fruit. In that order. Forget the government's food pyramid and eat just the opposite way.... LOL

 

Barbara

 

 

 

 

If true, that's sad for me, but I guess I'll make the adjustment. I read the arguments against soy on the Mercola site, and it seems to be well documented, though again, who are the people funding these studies and why? I am probably skeptical because I don't want it to be true, LOL! Whaaaaaaa.......

 

As for one person who eats soy breaking a bone, well, I can't take that too seriously as that's an isolated incident and the brain/thyroid damage link is much stronger argument. Not going to rule it out, mind you, but he might have been an "over-consumer" of soy products also. My grandmother died at 90 plus years old in perfect health except osteoporosis. Every bone in her body crumbled until her chest completely collapsed and she could no longer breathe. This is a woman who never ate a bite of soy in her life but ate a *very* heavy meat diet. One could contribute her death to animal protein as there is a proven connection between animal protein and osteoporosis, but if one examines the picture more clearly, it was her *over-consumption* of animal protein that most likely caused it, not normal consumption. (Third world women almost never get osteoporosis until they move to the West and begin to overeat animal protein like so many Americans do. It's the old "everything in moderation" argument.)

 

Ah, well...I gave up soy milk some time ago and I'm doing okay. I guess getting rid of a little tofu and tempeh won't kill me either. *sniff*

 

Thanks for the info, Barbara. <smiles>

 

--Celia--

 

[Guest guest]

I eat very little soy. I use rice milk and maybe once or twice a month I have soy crisps which are cracker like snacks. The kids eat soy cheese since there is not other gluten free casein free alternative to cheese and very occasionally they have soy ice cream.Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf

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Oh, you just reminded me of something else I love...soy cheese!

 

You know what? It's like Cyndi said before...everyone has different

needs and we cannot stress out over it. No one's diet will ever

be " perfect. " In the big picture, if they have it once in a while

it's not going to kill them. I'm just going to keep it a minimum and

not worry about it myself...

 

--Cee--

 

RealSimple , Ellen Christian

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> I eat very little soy. I use rice milk and maybe once or twice a

month I have soy crisps which are cracker like snacks.

>

> The kids eat soy cheese since there is not other gluten free

casein free alternative to cheese and very occasionally they have soy

ice cream.

>

>

> Ellen LaFleche-Christian

> Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont

> http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf

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We have no control over what happened to us in the past. When you know better, you do better, as the saying goes.

 

The good news is, you didn't develop a soy allergy, so it probably didn't harm you. Also, I doubt there was genetically modified soy back then, so you probably haven't gotten any weird organisms in your system. And crops were a lot healthier back then, because the soil, water and air (for the most part) weren't as damaged as they are today.

 

I've spent a lot of time wondering how I got Lymphoma. It's not supposed to be genetic, yet my mother and maternal grandfather both had it, and died from it. It's supposedly caused by environmental factors. I've stopped worrying about how I got it, or what I can do to avoid getting other cancers, or if chemo might trigger more cancer in the future. Why worry about it? All I have control over is what I do today to keep as healthy as possible in the future.

 

Barbara reminded me that we ALL have cancer cells in our bodies. What we CAN do is keep our immune systems in good enough shape to enable our bodies to fight off disease. So, don't worry, just do what you need to do to take care of your self today. :-)Cyndi

 

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 1:33:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, arcure writes:

I've never eaten soy cheese, so I can't comment. But if I were to eat soy products, i would make sure they were organic so I wasn't eating GMO soy...and I'd make sure they were fermented, too. But that's just me.... :-)I don't think ANYONE should stress over food. But I DO believe we should eat the absolute BEST quality food we can find, because our health depends on it. It's easy to justify what we compromise on, food wise, until we get sick. Then we (should) evaluate everything we eat as a possible cause OR cure...Cyndi****************I do find myself stressing over food b/c of my early days.I was born back in the 50's when it was uncool to breastfeed...so my mom didn't. After almost dying at 10 days old b/c of undiagnosed allergies to almost everything-including the cow's milk fornula I was being given, I was given goat's milk for a few weeks. Then I developed allergies to that. Then they put me on soy milk when it was a strange, new thing for most Americans. I have early memories of it coming in a tin can so I guess I was doubly screwed.lol I drank soy exclusively til I was about 4 yr old or so. I also started on allergy shots at 6 mo. old. Eventually I was able to tolerate cow's milk and they stopped giving me soy milk at 4 yr.old(it was real expensive back then).So basically, during my early formative yrs. I had large quantities of soy milk pumped into me. I have had very little soy products since then(except for the occasional tofu at the chinese restaurant or if was embedded into some other food product I bought at the store).I worry that no matter what I have done since childhood healthwise, that it's not enough or can't undo stuff done to my system back then.Because of this, I also worry for my oldest son. No matter how I tried, the breastfeeding thing didn't happen for us and he was allergic to reg. cowmilk based formula, so he was fed soy formula and subsequently soy milk til he was about 7. Over the years we found he could handle cow based products in any quantities like cheese or yogurt fine, but he still has to watch the amount of cow's milk/cream/ice cream he takes in during a day or he has bad reactions. And no, he isn't lactose intolerant.All this stuff I read and hear ya'll talk about the evil soy scares me.So is there any hope for us to undo or get over this bad nutritional past?sluggy

[Guest guest]

I've never eaten soy cheese, so I can't comment. But if I were to eat soy

products, i would make sure they were organic so I wasn't eating GMO

soy...and I'd make sure they were fermented, too. But that's just me.... :-)

 

I don't think ANYONE should stress over food. But I DO believe we should eat

the absolute BEST quality food we can find, because our health depends on

it. It's easy to justify what we compromise on, food wise, until we get

sick. Then we (should) evaluate everything we eat as a possible cause OR

cure...

 

Cyndi

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I do find myself stressing over food b/c of my early days.

I was born back in the 50's when it was uncool to breastfeed...so my mom

didn't. After almost dying at 10 days old b/c of undiagnosed allergies to

almost everything-including the cow's milk fornula I was being given, I was

given goat's milk for a few weeks. Then I developed allergies to that. Then

they put me on soy milk when it was a strange, new thing for most Americans.

I have early memories of it coming in a tin can so I guess I was doubly

screwed.lol

 

I drank soy exclusively til I was about 4 yr old or so. I also started on

allergy shots at 6 mo. old. Eventually I was able to tolerate cow's milk

and they stopped giving me soy milk at 4 yr.old(it was real expensive back

then).

So basically, during my early formative yrs. I had large quantities of soy

milk pumped into me. I have had very little soy products since then(except

for the occasional tofu at the chinese restaurant or if was embedded into

some other food product I bought at the store).

I worry that no matter what I have done since childhood healthwise, that

it's not enough or can't undo stuff done to my system back then.

 

Because of this, I also worry for my oldest son. No matter how I tried, the

breastfeeding thing didn't happen for us and he was allergic to reg. cowmilk

based formula, so he was fed soy formula and subsequently soy milk til he

was about 7. Over the years we found he could handle cow based products in

any quantities like cheese or yogurt fine, but he still has to watch the

amount of cow's milk/cream/ice cream he takes in during a day or he has bad

reactions. And no, he isn't lactose intolerant.

 

All this stuff I read and hear ya'll talk about the evil soy scares me.

So is there any hope for us to undo or get over this bad nutritional past?

sluggy

[Guest guest]

YES SLUGGY!!! There definitely is hope for you and for your son.

People's bodies are not stationary but change constantly which means that if you are now eating healthier, your body is becoming healthier too.

Can you get raw milk and cream where you live? There is nothing so healthy as the raw milk either cow of goat. And most people who are pasteurized milk intolerant have no problems with raw milk. Try it and you will know for sure.

 

Also, get the Nourishing Traditions book (it is only $15) and follow Sally's instructions and you will be very healthy ))) You will see!

 

Barbara

 

 

I do find myself stressing over food b/c of my early days.I was born back in the 50's when it was uncool to breastfeed...so my mom didn't. After almost dying at 10 days old b/c of undiagnosed allergies to almost everything-including the cow's milk fornula I was being given, I was given goat's milk for a few weeks. Then I developed allergies to that. Then they put me on soy milk when it was a strange, new thing for most Americans. I have early memories of it coming in a tin can so I guess I was doubly screwed.lol I drank soy exclusively til I was about 4 yr old or so. I also started on allergy shots at 6 mo. old. Eventually I was able to tolerate cow's milk and they stopped giving me soy milk at 4 yr.old(it was real expensive back then).So basically, during my early formative yrs. I had large quantities of soy milk pumped into me. I have had very little soy products since then(except for the occasional tofu at the chinese restaurant or if was embedded into some other food product I bought at the store).I worry that no matter what I have done since childhood healthwise, that it's not enough or can't undo stuff done to my system back then.Because of this, I also worry for my oldest son. No matter how I tried, the breastfeeding thing didn't happen for us and he was allergic to reg. cowmilk based formula, so he was fed soy formula and subsequently soy milk til he was about 7. Over the years we found he could handle cow based products in any quantities like cheese or yogurt fine, but he still has to watch the amount of cow's milk/cream/ice cream he takes in during a day or he has bad reactions. And no, he isn't lactose intolerant.All this stuff I read and hear ya'll talk about the evil soy scares me.So is there any hope for us to undo or get over this bad nutritional past?sluggy