33 Greatest Foods

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The 33 greatest foods for healthy livingMother Earth News, Feb-March, 2005 by David FederAll legitimate roads to a healthy diet have one central crossing point: People are at their healthiest when they eat lots of fruits and vegetables as the majority of their daily food. The undeniable value of fruits and vegetables is something even the protein pushers finally acceded to last year when Atkins diet publicists acknowledged that a high intake of meat and fat is not a healthy diet. With that in mind, we present our 33 Greatest Foods you can eat for daily nutrition and a healthy body.The study of nutrition is sometimes like the weather: If you wait five minutes, it'll change. Literally tens of thousands of nutrition studies are published every year--many of them contradictory--and hundreds of diet fads crowd the bookstores.We reviewed the latest scientific research about which foods really are all that the studies claim and made a list of the top choices, based on flavor and wide appeal--characteristics the nutrition policy experts rarely take into account. With so many fantastic fruits, vegetables and whole grains to choose from, the selection wasn't easy. In addition to flavor, we looked at such qualifiers as nutrition density, that is, the nutritional "bang for the buck." We looked at availability--the likelihood all our readers will be able to find fresh examples of the featured food. And finally, we looked at something we call "gardenability." Because so many MOTHER EARTH NEWS readers are avid gardeners, we want to recommend foods that are easy and fun to grow, too. Use this collection as a springboard for your own common-sense approach to healthy eating and bring more of the fruits, vegetables and other foods you enjoy into your daily diet.The bulk of our diets should be the stuff we already know as health foods: fruits and vegetables. There's no overestimating their value. The well-publicized Five-A-Day program developed by the National Cancer Institute encourages Americans to eat five to nine servings of fruits and vegetables every day, but even that number is understated. A better goal for good health is 10 a day. In studies around the world, the populations that ate the greatest amounts of fruits and vegetables, and that combined healthy eating with physical activity, are the populations with the lowest incidences of disease.Berries and grapes. Berries--blueberries, strawberries, blackberries, raspberries and mulberries--are tiny titans of flavor and nutrition. They're positively bursting with vitamins, fiber and compounds such as flavonoids, which act as antioxidants to protect against heart and vascular disease, cancer, strokes and even the infirmities of aging. Blueberries are compact sources of the antioxidant ellagic acid, a particularly powerful plant compound. Berries are one of the best sources of anthocyanins, a phytochemical that protects against disease, and which gives fruits and vegetables their alluring red, blue and purple colors. A good rule of thumb is the darker the berry, the higher the concentration of anthocyanins.In a landmark 2002 study at Tufts University, blueberries were shown to influence reversals of defects in motor function, memory and cognition associated with aging. Rutin, another flavonoid in berries, has shown protective effects against ulcers. The antioxidant quercetin, which resides in the skins of dark berries and grapes, protects against cancers and works best when combined with vitamin C, of which berries have one of the most concentrated sources.Although little research has been conducted on mulberries specifically, they are rich in resveratrol, another phytochemical that demonstrates cancer-preventative abilities. And like other berries, mulberries have plenty of anthocyanins. Not only is this class of natural compounds protective against cancer and cardiovascular disease, it has even shown antiviral and antibacterial properties. Not bad for a wild berry that is, in many parts of the country, free and abundant. Perhaps the best things about berries are that they can be eaten out of hand, and they go a long way toward satisfying the desire for a sweet, healthy snack.Grapes, too, pack a lot into a little package. Another concentrated source of vitamin C, they also are among the few natural foods to store sugar in the form of glucose instead of sucrose. This makes them an especially quick and easy energy booster for when you are on the go.Bananas and mangos. The banana, once the most popular fruit in the world, has been experiencing heavy competition from the mango. Once a hard-to-find delicacy north of the border, mangos now equal or surpass the banana in amount consumed in many areas. But don't abandon bananas. They are almost as close as you can get to a perfect food. Behind that appealing peel reposes a team of vitamins, minerals and other compounds that are unique to the ubiquitous banana. For instance, bananas contain the amino acid tryptophan, a serotonin precursor. Our body's serotonin levels are directly related to mood; lower levels can leave us listless and depressed, higher levels elevate our mood. Bananas also contain B vitamins and iron for healthy blood, and they are best known for their generous amounts of potassium and magnesium. Potassium is important for regulating a number of body functions from the kidney and blood pressure to bone health, and magnesium has been studied for its potential as a palliative for migraine headaches. Bananas also are a natural antacid and have been used for centuries to ease stomach woes ranging from nausea to ulcers.The mango has burst upon the American scene in the past decade or so for a number of reasons--migration of ethnic populations from tropical regions, increased cultivation and lower prices--but the main reason we've fallen in love with this once-exotic treat is simple: flavor. Just peeling a sweet, juicy, ripe mango can cause fruit-induced ecstasy.Mangos contain tryptophan, as well as powerful enzymes such as magneferin, katechol oxidase and lactase, all of which aid in digestion. And mangos are one of the better fruit sources of fiber, thiamin, riboflavin, folate and other B vitamins. Only oranges beat them for calcium, and mangos hover near the top for magnesium, iron, potassium and zinc. Then there are the antioxidant and disease- fighting compounds: Mangos are again one of the top healthy contenders with a whopping 3 grams of carotenes per 150 grams of the fruit (about 1 1/2 cups, cubed).Dinosaur kale, chard and beet greens. The reason many leafy greens (and this includes broccoli and its sibling rapini) make most "best vegetables" lists is they just can't be beat for fiber, anticancer compounds (such as carotenoids), minerals (such as iron and selenium) and vitamins (such as A, B, C and K). And they are the best source of folate--the B vitamin that merits special attention for its role in reducing the risk of neural-tube birth defects. Still, we had to choose among the leafy green varieties, so we applied our logic of nutrient density, flavor and availability, and settled on dinosaur kale, chard and beet greens, and spinach as the top choices.Dinosaur kale--the new star of leafy greens--heads the green group for health. Also known as 'Lacinato,' its deep-green, pebble-textured leaves are dense with carotenoids, lycopene and lutein (shown to reduce cataract risk).Like all kale, Dino also is a mineral powerhouse with loads of iron, zinc, magnesium and potassium, plus just as much calcium as milk. Dino kale is now widely available, and a great way to prepare it is to wash and drain the greens, then lightly saute them in hot olive oil with seeded rye bread crumbs and a twist of freshly ground pepper.Next come chard and beet greens. These nutrient-rich cousins to spinach can be prepared the same way as dino kale, and they contain as much or more iron. One cup of cooked chard or beet greens has about double your needs of the antioxidant vitamin A.Roots and tubers. The root (and tuber) vegetables--carrots, parsnips, beets, potatoes, yams and their kin--are receiving a well-deserved renaissance at the dinner table in spite of trendy low-carb diets. This is because they seem to have it all: vitamins, minerals, fiber and other beneficial compounds in generous amounts. One of the best fiber sources of all the root vegetables is the parsnip. This once- overlooked root, resembling a pale-beige carrot, weighs in at 4 grams of fiber per cooked half cup. Parsnips are an excellent source of vitamin C and folate, and also contain useful amounts of beta carotene, vitamins B1 and B3, potassium, phosphorous and iron. Studies show that foods rich in folate, beta carotene and vitamin C effectively lower levels of a compound called homocysteine, which is strongly related to an increased risk of heart disease.Search for inHomeGoBelle > Mother Earth News > ArticleContent provided in partnership withThe 33 greatest foods for healthy livingMother Earth News, Feb-March, 2005 by David Feder Save a personal copy of this article and quickly find it again with Furl.net. It's free!Save it.Continued from page 1.“Root vegetables are easy to prepare for maximum flavor and health benefit, and combining two or more puts color as well as flavor and health on the menu. Steam a half pound each of peeled or scrubbed carrots and parsnips. Separate the carrots and parsnips and mash each with 2 teaspoons roasted peanut oil and a teaspoon of molasses. Then swirl the two together in a large serving bowl.â€Whole grains, beans, nuts and squash. Grains, beans, tree nuts and squash are excellent sources of complex carbohydrates, plus they are replete with protein, minerals and vitamins (especially the B vitamins). Nuts also are high in the good monounsaturated fats that support heart health along with satiety, and walnuts are one of the best plant sources of heart-healthy omega-3 fatty acids you can eat. All nuts have incredible value as a food when it comes to nutrient density.On the grain side, toasted wheat berries are making amber waves for their versatility, functioning as a nutty-crunchy snack food, a sprinkle-on for salads instead of croutons and a stir-in for soups. Boiled, they add a flavor reminiscent of hazelnuts to slow-cooked hot cereals and pilafs. Another great grain given too little attention in our culture is barley. As grains go, barley has more fiber, protein and iron per gram than almost any other.On the bean side, fava and garbanzo beans (chickpeas) have enjoyed increased popularity as the Mediterranean influence at our tables has grown. They are extremely good sources for fiber, iron and protein. Steam either or both kinds of beans with potatoes, and mash them with olive oil, sea salt and freshly ground pepper for an energy-rich meal.The soybean has probably been written about more than any other food in recent memory. An unbeatable protein source and also vitamin- packed, soy is extremely versatile. The edamame craze that traveled to our shores from Japan a few years ago is the tofu-icing on the cake. Steamed edamame--green soy beans--are so fun to just pop in your mouth as a snack (or serve as a side dish) that they make this well-promoted legume fun again.Acorn, butternut and other winter squashes are exceptional sources of complex carbohydrates and fiber. All squashes are also extremely versatile. You can grill or saute them in olive oil. Try baking them with various types of stuffing.Meat, poultry and fish. Your diet should include 50 to 65 grams (that's only about 2 ounces) of protein every day, which you can get from red meat, poultry, fish, eggs, beans and nuts. (Most of us eat more protein than we need.) Chicken, turkey and fish are better protein sources than red meat because they contain less cholesterol and saturated fat. And pasture-raised poultry and eggs are even more nutritious (and often taste better, too). Meat and eggs from birds raised with access to pasture have higher amounts of vitamin E, vitamin A, folic acid, carotenoids and a better ratio of essential omega-3 fatty acids. Also, animals raised on pasture usually don't require the routine antibiotics used in confinement systems--yet another reason that grass-fed poultry is a top healthy choice.Fish is an outstanding source of protein, and many cold-water fish are a top source of essential omega-3 fatty acids that protect against heart disease and strokes. Studies have found that eating fish once a week or more can reduce the risk of heart attacks by 30 percent. There are also preliminary studies that suggest omega-3s may protect against breast, colon and prostate cancers. The richest fish sources of omega-3s are anchovies, herring, salmon, striped bass, sardines, mackerel, rainbow trout, oysters and smelt. Some species, including swordfish, shark and large tuna, should be avoided because they are often contaminated with high levels of toxic mercury.Olive oil and peanut oil. One good thing about carb-bashing diets: They have taken the heat off oils and other sources of fat. Essential sources of energy, fats also are critical for hormones, nerve function and transporting multiple nutrients in the body. Unfortunately, they also are excellent sources of high-calorie energy for storage. This does not mean you should completely avoid them. Remember, fats are necessary for human health--just enjoy them in moderation. Olive oil lives up to its hype as one of the most healthful and helpful fat sources. Besides the well-publicized benefits of the omega-3 monounsaturated fatty acids, which help reduce cholesterol in the blood, olive oil is a source of iron, the antioxidant vitamins A, C, D, E and K, plus the B vitamins thiamin and riboflavin. This most ancient of cultivated food oils is also being studied for its possible effectiveness in aiding calcium metabolism and protecting against infections, ulcers and other gastric dysfunctions. Olive oil is at its best when used without cooking, such as for dipping bread or on salads, pastas or cooked vegetables.Next up is peanut oil, which imparts a faint nutty flavor to foods. With natural antioxidant capacity and a high smoking point, it's one of the best oils for cooking. It, too, is a good source of monounsaturated fat. Other nut oils, especially walnut oil, are high in monounsaturated fats, but they have low smoking points and burn easily. For all these healthful oils, make sure you buy products specifically labeled "unrefined" or "cold-pressed." The refining process, which involves bleaching or other chemical treatments to extend shelf life, reduces flavor and nutrients.SWEETENERSNow, let's finish with the sweet stuff. We should treat sugar as, well, a treat. Liquid sweeteners--molasses, sorghum, rice syrup, maple syrup--are not that much better for you than sugar, but because they have such rich, distinctive flavors, you can use less of them to satisfy your sweet cravings. Brown rice syrup is a little less sweet than table sugar but has more complex carbohydrates. Because it is so mildly flavored, it can be substituted for table sugar. Blackstrap molasses, although made from cane sugar, brings important minerals such as iron and magnesium to the table, but it's too strongly flavored to use in place of table sugar. It does bring marvelous flavor depths to baked goods, though. You also can use it instead of brown sugar for root vegetable dishes; try drizzling a couple of teaspoons into steamed parsnips as you mash them together.Avoid highly processed "junk food" and choose Real Food--fresh fruits and vegetables, poultry, fish and healthful nuts, grains, oils and sweeteners described above. If you make these nutrient-dense foods a regular focus of your diet, you'll feel better and live longer.Potatoes--Don't Knock 'em ... Mash 'em!Pity the poor potato. True, it is the No. 1 vegetable in the United States, but that has been more a reflection of the injury the food industry has perpetrated on this homely, but effective, staple starch--with high-temperature treatments such as frying and baking. And that's where the critics come in. When subjected to high temperatures, the potato's starch is broken into smaller fractions, leading to faster metabolization and less efficient storage of its sugar molecules in our bodies.But when the potato is boiled, the opposite occurs. The potato retains starch in large molecules that take longer to break down in the stomach, and glycogen is stored more efficiently in our livers and muscles. It is the glycogen form of carbohydrate that our bodies use best for energy and endurance. For a nearly complete one-dish meal, scrub and steam 1 pound of potatoes. Mash them with 1 cup of cooked chickpeas (garbanzo beans), 2 to 3 tablespoons olive oil and a half cup of chopped cilantro, basil or parsley. Season to taste with salt and pepper.--Mark Anthony, who holds a Ph.D. in Nutritional Sciences and is the author of Gut Instinct: Diet's Missing Link (www.dietsmissinglink.com).David Feder is a journalist and a registered dietitian living in Des Moines, Iowa.COPYRIGHT 2005 Ogden Publications, Inc.COPYRIGHT 2005 Gale Group

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This was good reading Cyndi, thanks. I've saved it into my files.

 

" ..........Roots and tubers. The root (and tuber) vegetables--carrots,

parsnips,

beets, potatoes, yams and their kin--are receiving a well-deserved

renaissance at the dinner table in spite of trendy low-carb diets.

This is because they seem to have it all: vitamins, minerals, fiber

and other beneficial compounds in generous amounts. One of the best

fiber sources of all the root vegetables is the parsnip. This once-

overlooked root, resembling a pale-beige carrot, weighs in at 4 grams

of fiber per cooked half cup. Parsnips are an excellent source of

vitamin C and folate, and also contain useful amounts of beta

carotene, vitamins B1 and B3, potassium, phosphorous and iron.

Studies show that foods rich in folate, beta carotene and vitamin C

effectively lower levels of a compound called homocysteine, which is

strongly related to an increased risk of heart disease...... "

 

Growing up my mom had her own particular foods that she routinely used. I

guess it didn't help that my dad wouldn't even try so many things so she

didn't even try cooking foods that he wasn't exposed to as a kid b/c he

certainly wouldn't eat them. Dinnertime at our house was mostly about

pleasing him.

As a result, there are so many foods, that even though way back in the 60's

were available where we lived, I never got to try. A couple of those were

parsnips and beets.....I never had a beet til I was 20 and I just

cooked/tasted my first parsnip this past fall and I am older than dirt

now.lolol

 

I was just wondering what kind of food exposure others had growing

up.....did your parents offer a wide variety of foods or was mealtime more a

routine thing and restricted? It's interesting to see how our diets are

shaped by what we ate as kids and how hard it can be to push past the past.

 

Speaking of tubers and roots--

I combined 2 recipes I found to make a meal last fall. This first recipe is

for a spiced roast w/root veggies found here....

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/recipe_views/views/102103

 

And the other is for a roasted root veggie medley here....

http://www.wolfgangpuck.com/recipedetail.php?Alias=RE_WP3138

 

I used the veggies from the wolfgang puck recipe(except for the celery root

I think, which I couldn't find and added sweet potatoes) but followed the

cooking directions/timing of the epicurious recipe. The meat was done just

right and tender and the roasting brought out wonder flavors in the veggies.

I just thought somebody might enjoy this

recipe.....recipes.....whatever.....lol

 

sluggy

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Excellent advice...this guy knows what he's talking about!

 

--Cee--

 

RealSimple , cyndikrall wrote:

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> The 33 greatest foods for healthy living

> Mother Earth News, Feb-March, 2005 by David Feder

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I had a few problems with the article, but I thought the info on the nutritional value of the veggies was very valuable. Most people dismiss vegetables as the expendable part of a daily diet, so putting the nutritional info out there helps ME to be motivated to eat a wide variety of veggies!

 

My mother (divorced, no father to cook for) was a TERRIBLE cook. We grew up on a diet of convenience foods- cereal, Hamburger Helper (yes, it's that old, lol), Kraft Mac and Cheese (which I still love to this day, lol) and she never cooked vegetables, except for canned corn and canned peas, etc. The only vegetable I ever remember her cooking was green peppers in Pepper Steak for my father when I was about 6. I absolutely hated it-we were all forced to eat it-and it left me with an inability to eat green or red peppers to this day, lol. Other than that, I like pretty much every other veggie. I never ate fresh peas until I was in my 20's-and I mean fresh, not frozen or canned. I used to grow a LOT of veggies myself, both for the love of gardening AND the love of fresh veggies.

 

The thing I give her credit for is taking us to different restaurants when we were kids. We would get together with another family and go to Chinese restaurants or Swedish Smorgasbords, etc. What fun! And what great exposure to food! In those days those restaurants were filled with much more variety and freshness than there is today. Now, at most Chinese buffets, it's filled with mostly fried foods-everything gets deepfried so people will eat it, i guess. But not when i was young and growing up in New York. I have clear memories of stuffing unbelievable amounts of caviar into my mouth at a young age, lol! Chinese food meant fresh veggies with very little meat. Swedish Smorgasbord meant lots of fresh seafood. This is what I credit to giving me a love for all sorts of ethnic cuisine and fresh ingredients. Today, the best buffets I find are Thai-fresh ingredients and creative use of spices.

 

Roasted veggies are the best way to eat them! I frequently throw a bunch in a pan with olive oil, garlic, onions, and fresh herbs. The Pampered Chef clay bakeware does an incredible job with roasting veggies. Leftover roasted veggies make a great sandwich with a fresh sauce I make out of mayo, sour cream, or buttermilk, lemon juice, and herbs, especially with sourdough bread. Yum! I also throw leftover roasted veggies in soups, spaghetti sauce, alfredo sauce, everything, lol.

 

When I worked at the tea room, the owner used to beg me to make roasted veggie sandwiches for the staff, lol. I used to make them to serve to customers too, once in a while.

 

Cyndi

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 12:53:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, arcure writes:

Growing up my mom had her own particular foods that she routinely used. I guess it didn't help that my dad wouldn't even try so many things so she didn't even try cooking foods that he wasn't exposed to as a kid b/c he certainly wouldn't eat them. Dinnertime at our house was mostly about pleasing him.As a result, there are so many foods, that even though way back in the 60's were available where we lived, I never got to try. A couple of those were parsnips and beets.....I never had a beet til I was 20 and I just cooked/tasted my first parsnip this past fall and I am older than dirt now.lololI was just wondering what kind of food exposure others had growing up.....did your parents offer a wide variety of foods or was mealtime more a routine thing and restricted? It's interesting to see how our diets are shaped by what we ate as kids and how hard it can be to push past the past.Speaking of tubers and roots--I combined 2 recipes I found to make a meal last fall. This first recipe is for a spiced roast w/root veggies found here....http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/recipe_views/views/102103And the other is for a roasted root veggie medley here....http://www.wolfgangpuck.com/recipedetail.php?Alias=RE_WP3138I used the veggies from the wolfgang puck recipe(except for the celery root I think, which I couldn't find and added sweet potatoes) but followed the cooking directions/timing of the epicurious recipe. The meat was done just right and tender and the roasting brought out wonder flavors in the veggies.I just thought somebody might enjoy this recipe.....recipes.....whatever.....lolsluggy

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Yep, some of his information is no longer valid, but I did like the info about veggies, so I sent the article. Mercola had something bad to say about the National Cancer Institute, but I can't remember what it is at the moment.

 

Organic veggies that have composted manure added to the soil as fertilizer have many of those depleted minerals added back in. Manure rules! LOL.

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 8:17:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, barbara3 writes:

 

All this guy is doing, is shifting the diet from one extreme (Atkins) to the other extreme almost vegetarianism. And when he cited National Cancer Institue and what they recommend, he lost all the credibility in my eyes. Don't we all know that the carbohydrates are turning into sugar once digested and that sugar is feeding cancer????? But that is what NCI is recommending.

Veterinarians recommend the same...all grains diet for cancer dogs.

Give me a break!!!!!!

 

The guy also is listing all the goodies that suppose to be in the fruits and veggies but he does not mention that if they are grown in minerals depleted soils, they just do not have all those good compounds he is talking about. They do have all the sugar though....

 

Him saying that soy beans are "unbeatable" protein source is misleading too, to say the least! NO plant protein is complete. Not one contains all 10 essential amino acids that protein consists of. Only animal protein is complete.

 

And he STILL is talking about using less saturated fats!!! Well, using all those vegetable oils for last several decades got us in that mess that we are in lately. All the heart deaths that we are experiencing now are direct consequence of eating all those dreadful vegetable oils. The saturated animal fats are the only healthy fats and butter fat is protective of our hearts.

 

I'm deleting this article and stick to what I know.

 

Barbara

 

 

 

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Grains have their place, as long as they are the proper grains and are prepared properly. NT has a lot of info on grains and recipes too that I'd like to try. For me, in a lot of moderation.

 

The traditional Hunter-Gatherer diet was animal and vegetable, and probably fruit, too. But these items were all a lot different a million years ago...I would never exclude veggies, personally. But I don't gain weight or have any adverse effect eating them, and I'm talking fresh veggies, not refined vegetable products. Again, just me, personally...

 

Cyndi

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 9:03:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cbrowne writes:

 

Wow, Barb...you sound so angry!?!?!?! Regarding vegetable oils, I largely agree...while I still use olive and some nut oils for salad dressings or other "cold food" uses, (homemade mayonnaise, etc.) I now bake and fry exclusively in butter or animal fat. As far as excluding meat from my diet, I disagree also as I feel healthy portions of animal protein are important to the balance of over-all health. Much of the rest, however, I think is right on. I don't know of any healthy diet that does not include fruits and vegetables! Even if from depleted soil, fruits and vegetables still contain fiber and *some* nutritional value...but one does not need to buy commercial produce and settle for an inferior product! I grow as much of my own vegetables and herbs as I can in healthy compost-enriched soil, and when out of season, I try to buy directly from local farms. I have no fruit bearing trees, but again, I hand pick from local farms whenever possible. I think Cyndi buys farm-fresh and organic whenever possible, and Ellen works hard to provide a vitamin and mineral rich diet to her family...

 

As for grains, I believe he's referring to "whole" grains, not refined grains that have been stripped of their nutrients. There is a HUGE difference in the way that our bodies handle and metabolize refined carbs and complex carbohydrates, so I disagree that healthy whole grains would "feed" cancer like junk food would.

 

As for the soy bean argument, well, we all know that the verdict is still out but it "ain't" lookin' good. I have yet to come across any diet or nutritional article that I totally 100% agree with, but overall I think there is a lot of valid information in the article.

 

Well, Barbara...we will just have to agree to disagree on this one and just move on. <smiles>

 

--Cee--

 

RealSimple , "Barbara" <barbara3 wrote:>> All this guy is doing, is shifting the diet from one extreme (Atkins) to the other extreme almost vegetarianism. And when he cited National Cancer Institue and what they recommend, he lost all the credibility in my eyes. Don't we all know that the carbohydrates are turning into sugar once digested and that sugar is feeding cancer????? But that is what NCI is recommending. > Veterinarians recommend the same...all grains diet for cancer dogs. > Give me a break!!!!!! > > The guy also is listing all the goodies that suppose to be in the fruits and veggies but he does not mention that if they are grown in minerals depleted soils, they just do not have all those good compounds he is talking about. They do have all the sugar though.... > > Him saying that soy beans are "unbeatable" protein source is misleading too, to say the least! NO plant protein is complete. Not one contains all 10 essential amino acids that protein consists of. Only animal protein is complete. > > And he STILL is talking about using less saturated fats!!! Well, using all those vegetable oils for last several decades got us in that mess that we are in lately. All the heart deaths that we are experiencing now are direct consequence of eating all those dreadful vegetable oils. The saturated animal fats are the only healthy fats and butter fat is protective of our hearts. > > I'm deleting this article and stick to what I know. > > Barbara > > > > The 33 greatest foods for healthy living> Mother Earth News, Feb-March, 2005 by David Feder>

 

 

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All this guy is doing, is shifting the diet from one extreme (Atkins) to the other extreme almost vegetarianism. And when he cited National Cancer Institue and what they recommend, he lost all the credibility in my eyes. Don't we all know that the carbohydrates are turning into sugar once digested and that sugar is feeding cancer????? But that is what NCI is recommending.

Veterinarians recommend the same...all grains diet for cancer dogs.

Give me a break!!!!!!

 

The guy also is listing all the goodies that suppose to be in the fruits and veggies but he does not mention that if they are grown in minerals depleted soils, they just do not have all those good compounds he is talking about. They do have all the sugar though....

 

Him saying that soy beans are "unbeatable" protein source is misleading too, to say the least! NO plant protein is complete. Not one contains all 10 essential amino acids that protein consists of. Only animal protein is complete.

 

And he STILL is talking about using less saturated fats!!! Well, using all those vegetable oils for last several decades got us in that mess that we are in lately. All the heart deaths that we are experiencing now are direct consequence of eating all those dreadful vegetable oils. The saturated animal fats are the only healthy fats and butter fat is protective of our hearts.

 

I'm deleting this article and stick to what I know.

 

Barbara

 

 

 

The 33 greatest foods for healthy livingMother Earth News, Feb-March, 2005 by David Feder

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I think you do, too! It's so much fun, lol.

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 11:25:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, barbara3 writes:

 

Organic veggies and fruits are much better than the ones grown with chemicals, that's for sure. I think I need to go to Wild Oats again.... LOL

 

Barbara

 

 

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Good grief, of course you are! There's nothing wrong with being strongly opinionated, lol. So am I! And I don't blame you for being angry, IF you are. And what's wrong with being controversial? If we all agreed with each other on everything, then we'd all be at McDonalds right now, lol.

 

I'm angry too-but mostly with myself. I've eaten what the food pyramid said was good for me, and fed it to my family and pets too, I've gotten chemotherapy because the doctors said it was good for me, I've used carcinogenic chemicals in my home because they said it was good for my home to be germ free, I've eaten GMO foods and irradiated foods because it was progress, I've vaccinated my children and pets because they told me it was the only way to keep them healthy.......and I'm mad at myself for listening blindly. It's time we got mad.

 

I DO believe in NT, for me personally, it makes sense, and it's the path "I" choose to follow. But I expect everyone to go their own path. Noone will change just because "we" know we're right, and they shouldn't. Everyone should make up their own minds. No answer is right for everyone. And WE HERE are the minority, everyone else thinks we're radical and nuts, lol.

 

I love discussions like this, because it challenges my beliefs, and that's a good thing. For too many years, we've believed everything everyone has told us, and look where it's gotten us. I want to follow common sense rules, like eating REAL food, and I don't ever want to be so rigid that I refuse to change my opinion if it turns out to be wrong. I don't blame anyone for not agreeing with me, why should anyone be so gullible? Everyone needs to find out for themselves.

 

It IS amazing how different food is in Europe. I don't blame them for thinking we are the stoopidest people on the planet for allowing ourselves to be fed this stuff. But we have noone to blame but ourselves-we've ASKED the government to do this, and thanked them for it! We keep voting for the same people, and we get the same results. We sue over frivolous issues, and the law changes to favor the few and overrule common sense. We've ignored the advent of unhealthy food and overconsumption and believed what Big Business told us we needed.

 

What we NEED is each other, to challenge our beliefs, strengthen our resolve, and support each other in our basic agreement-REAL food and SIMPLE lifestyle. If we don't all agree on the definition of those things, that's ok, too.

 

Ok, now I'm the one that needs to shut up, lol. There's nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, Barbara, OR ANYONE. Remember I told you to go ahead and do it? There's no need to fear controversy or disagreement. All my bestest friends are the absolute most opinionated people, lol. :-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 12:07:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, barbara3 writes:

 

Celia, you seem to agree with me on all points I raised but grains. I do agree that whole grais are better but they ALL turn into sugar when digested, either slowly or fast. Do you have "Nourishing Traditions"? Sally Fellon says that all flours should be soaked over night then dried before anything can be make from them. She claims that this is the only good, healthy way to eat grains. I don't eat grains at all.

 

You know, I don't know if I'm angry...but maybe I am because of all the lies that our government and even more the medical establishment is telling us and everyone who writes articles is repeating mindlessly. The studies in Europe and elsewhere in the world are showing the exact opposite of what we are being fed by the doctors and nutritionists. Our government is telling us that there is nothing wrong with eating genetically modified crops or irradiated meats and produce or the meat from the cloned animals but I think you and most of the people on this list disagree with this. So why do they tell us the lies? Because big business is dictating all the laws and rules to FDA so they approve all those harmful food items to generate more profits for the big business. Doesn't THAT make YOU angry?

 

I'll tell you what. I think I will shut up for now and let you guys agree on all of that in peace. I think I'm too controversial here.

 

Barbara

 

PS. Cyndi, am I still in the group??? LOL

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, Barb...you sound so angry!?!?!?! Regarding vegetable oils, I largely agree...while I still use olive and some nut oils for salad dressings or other "cold food" uses, (homemade mayonnaise, etc.) I now bake and fry exclusively in butter or animal fat. As far as excluding meat from my diet, I disagree also as I feel healthy portions of animal protein are important to the balance of over-all health. Much of the rest, however, I think is right on. I don't know of any healthy diet that does not include fruits and vegetables! Even if from depleted soil, fruits and vegetables still contain fiber and *some* nutritional value...but one does not need to buy commercial produce and settle for an inferior product! I grow as much of my own vegetables and herbs as I can in healthy compost-enriched soil, and when out of season, I try to buy directly from local farms. I have no fruit bearing trees, but again, I hand pick from local farms whenever possible. I think Cyndi buys farm-fresh and organic whenever possible, and Ellen works hard to provide a vitamin and mineral rich diet to her family...

 

As for grains, I believe he's referring to "whole" grains, not refined grains that have been stripped of their nutrients. There is a HUGE difference in the way that our bodies handle and metabolize refined carbs and complex carbohydrates, so I disagree that healthy whole grains would "feed" cancer like junk food would.

 

As for the soy bean argument, well, we all know that the verdict is still out but it "ain't" lookin' good. I have yet to come across any diet or nutritional article that I totally 100% agree with, but overall I think there is a lot of valid information in the article.

 

Well, Barbara...we will just have to agree to disagree on this one and just move on. <smiles>

 

--Cee--

 

 

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Wow, Barb...you sound so angry!?!?!?! Regarding vegetable oils, I largely agree...while I still use olive and some nut oils for salad dressings or other "cold food" uses, (homemade mayonnaise, etc.) I now bake and fry exclusively in butter or animal fat. As far as excluding meat from my diet, I disagree also as I feel healthy portions of animal protein are important to the balance of over-all health. Much of the rest, however, I think is right on. I don't know of any healthy diet that does not include fruits and vegetables! Even if from depleted soil, fruits and vegetables still contain fiber and *some* nutritional value...but one does not need to buy commercial produce and settle for an inferior product! I grow as much of my own vegetables and herbs as I can in healthy compost-enriched soil, and when out of season, I try to buy directly from local farms. I have no fruit bearing trees, but again, I hand pick from local farms whenever possible. I think Cyndi buys farm-fresh and organic whenever possible, and Ellen works hard to provide a vitamin and mineral rich diet to her family...

 

As for grains, I believe he's referring to "whole" grains, not refined grains that have been stripped of their nutrients. There is a HUGE difference in the way that our bodies handle and metabolize refined carbs and complex carbohydrates, so I disagree that healthy whole grains would "feed" cancer like junk food would.

 

As for the soy bean argument, well, we all know that the verdict is still out but it "ain't" lookin' good. I have yet to come across any diet or nutritional article that I totally 100% agree with, but overall I think there is a lot of valid information in the article.

 

Well, Barbara...we will just have to agree to disagree on this one and just move on. <smiles>

 

--Cee--

 

RealSimple , "Barbara" <barbara3 wrote:>> All this guy is doing, is shifting the diet from one extreme (Atkins) to the other extreme almost vegetarianism. And when he cited National Cancer Institue and what they recommend, he lost all the credibility in my eyes. Don't we all know that the carbohydrates are turning into sugar once digested and that sugar is feeding cancer????? But that is what NCI is recommending. > Veterinarians recommend the same...all grains diet for cancer dogs. > Give me a break!!!!!! > > The guy also is listing all the goodies that suppose to be in the fruits and veggies but he does not mention that if they are grown in minerals depleted soils, they just do not have all those good compounds he is talking about. They do have all the sugar though.... > > Him saying that soy beans are "unbeatable" protein source is misleading too, to say the least! NO plant protein is complete. Not one contains all 10 essential amino acids that protein consists of. Only animal protein is complete. > > And he STILL is talking about using less saturated fats!!! Well, using all those vegetable oils for last several decades got us in that mess that we are in lately. All the heart deaths that we are experiencing now are direct consequence of eating all those dreadful vegetable oils. The saturated animal fats are the only healthy fats and butter fat is protective of our hearts. > > I'm deleting this article and stick to what I know. > > Barbara > > > > The 33 greatest foods for healthy living> Mother Earth News, Feb-March, 2005 by David Feder>

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, it's a crime that they are forcing this on us. I was absolutely horrified to see those ads in magazines. And it's sad that people are so quick to believe that this will prevent cancer. The backlash from this is going to be incredible some day. Just watch-some day they'll discover that it was either useless, or causes another type of cancer...if I had a daughter I would NEVER allow her to be vaccinated with this.

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 1:58:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, arcure writes:

Speaking of vaccinations and govt......lol.....If you are a women & /or have daughters, please pay attention to what is going on with this new HPV vaccine Gardasil. The governor of TX has mandated that every 6th grade girl has to be vaccinated for HPV in order to attend school in TX next year. The problem is there hasn't been enough testing done on this vaccine yet so we have no short term OR long term results.The Drug company is spending millions pushing this vaccine...pushed it through FDA approval by lining govt's pockets and are spending millions marketing it via tv/print ads. And the scare tactic ads lead you to believe that if you don't get the vaccine, you WILL get Cervical Cancer! Who can blame Merck for trying.....half the population of this country is a potential consumer of the drug....they stand to make billions off it at $350 a shot! If this becomes law in TX, that makes it that much easier for the drug co. to get other states to cave into mandating it for your school kids too. Merck-the maker, is currently pushing vaccine legislation in 20 more states now and D.C. through it's PACs.Just our govt. trying to protect us from ourselves again b/c we are all too stupid & they know what's best for us.......yah, right...........sluggy

[Guest guest]

Celia, you seem to agree with me on all points I raised but grains. I do agree that whole grais are better but they ALL turn into sugar when digested, either slowly or fast. Do you have "Nourishing Traditions"? Sally Fellon says that all flours should be soaked over night then dried before anything can be make from them. She claims that this is the only good, healthy way to eat grains. I don't eat grains at all.

 

You know, I don't know if I'm angry...but maybe I am because of all the lies that our government and even more the medical establishment is telling us and everyone who writes articles is repeating mindlessly. The studies in Europe and elsewhere in the world are showing the exact opposite of what we are being fed by the doctors and nutritionists. Our government is telling us that there is nothing wrong with eating genetically modified crops or irradiated meats and produce or the meat from the cloned animals but I think you and most of the people on this list disagree with this. So why do they tell us the lies? Because big business is dictating all the laws and rules to FDA so they approve all those harmful food items to generate more profits for the big business. Doesn't THAT make YOU angry?

 

I'll tell you what. I think I will shut up for now and let you guys agree on all of that in peace. I think I'm too controversial here.

 

Barbara

 

PS. Cyndi, am I still in the group??? LOL

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, Barb...you sound so angry!?!?!?! Regarding vegetable oils, I largely agree...while I still use olive and some nut oils for salad dressings or other "cold food" uses, (homemade mayonnaise, etc.) I now bake and fry exclusively in butter or animal fat. As far as excluding meat from my diet, I disagree also as I feel healthy portions of animal protein are important to the balance of over-all health. Much of the rest, however, I think is right on. I don't know of any healthy diet that does not include fruits and vegetables! Even if from depleted soil, fruits and vegetables still contain fiber and *some* nutritional value...but one does not need to buy commercial produce and settle for an inferior product! I grow as much of my own vegetables and herbs as I can in healthy compost-enriched soil, and when out of season, I try to buy directly from local farms. I have no fruit bearing trees, but again, I hand pick from local farms whenever possible. I think Cyndi buys farm-fresh and organic whenever possible, and Ellen works hard to provide a vitamin and mineral rich diet to her family...

 

As for grains, I believe he's referring to "whole" grains, not refined grains that have been stripped of their nutrients. There is a HUGE difference in the way that our bodies handle and metabolize refined carbs and complex carbohydrates, so I disagree that healthy whole grains would "feed" cancer like junk food would.

 

As for the soy bean argument, well, we all know that the verdict is still out but it "ain't" lookin' good. I have yet to come across any diet or nutritional article that I totally 100% agree with, but overall I think there is a lot of valid information in the article.

 

Well, Barbara...we will just have to agree to disagree on this one and just move on. <smiles>

 

--Cee--

 

[Guest guest]

Organic veggies and fruits are much better than the ones grown with chemicals, that's for sure. I think I need to go to Wild Oats again.... LOL

 

Barbara

 

 

 

 

Yep, some of his information is no longer valid, but I did like the info about veggies, so I sent the article. Mercola had something bad to say about the National Cancer Institute, but I can't remember what it is at the moment.

 

Organic veggies that have composted manure added to the soil as fertilizer have many of those depleted minerals added back in. Manure rules! LOL.

 

Cyndi

 

[Guest guest]

Cyndi wrote.....

I'm angry too-but mostly with myself. I've eaten what the food pyramid said

was good for me, and fed it to my family and pets too, I've gotten

chemotherapy because the doctors said it was good for me, I've used

carcinogenic chemicals in my home because they said it was good for my home

to be germ free, I've eaten GMO foods and irradiated foods because it was

progress, I've vaccinated my children and pets because they told me it was

the only way to keep them healthy.......and I'm mad at myself for listening

blindly. It's time we got mad.

***************

Speaking of vaccinations and govt......lol.....

If you are a women & /or have daughters, please pay attention to what is

going on with this new HPV vaccine Gardasil. The governor of TX has

mandated that every 6th grade girl has to be vaccinated for HPV in order to

attend school in TX next year. The problem is there hasn't been enough

testing done on this vaccine yet so we have no short term OR long term

results.

The Drug company is spending millions pushing this vaccine...pushed it

through FDA approval by lining govt's pockets and are spending millions

marketing it via tv/print ads. And the scare tactic ads lead you to believe

that if you don't get the vaccine, you WILL get Cervical Cancer! Who can

blame Merck for trying.....half the population of this country is a

potential consumer of the drug....they stand to make billions off it at $350

a shot! If this becomes law in TX, that makes it that much easier for the

drug co. to get other states to cave into mandating it for your school kids

too. Merck-the maker, is currently pushing vaccine legislation in 20 more

states now and D.C. through it's PACs.

Just our govt. trying to protect us from ourselves again b/c we are all too

stupid & they know what's best for us.......yah, right...........

sluggy

[Guest guest]

Barbara wrote:

>> Celia, you seem to agree with me on all points I raised but

grains. I do agree that whole grais are better but they ALL turn

into sugar when digested, either slowly or fast.

 

I agree that they all eventually turn to sugar, but so does fruit,

veggies, beans, legumes and almost everything else that you eat. The

less carbs and the less refined, the longer it takes to process and

there is huge difference in how the body utilizes it. I eat all of

the above items in small quantities and don't overdo it. I make oat

groats and wheat berries and whole grains that take over an hour to

cook because everything is intact, and much of it comes out as

undigested fiber. It's like the difference between eating organic,

grass fed beef and eating a factory farm hamburger loaded with crap.

One makes you sick and the other does your body good... " in small

quantities. "

 

>> Sally Fellon says that all flours should be soaked over night then

dried before anything can be make from them.

 

Soak flour??? Oh, I rarely use flour...only whole cooked grains or

sprouted ones. For the occasional sandwich, I make something out of

that which is slowly digested, like whole wheat with nuts and grains

in it...which is why I wanted Ellen's WW tortilla recipe yesterday.

 

>> <snip>...big business is dictating all the laws and rules to FDA

so they approve all those harmful food items to generate more profits

for the big business. Doesn't THAT make YOU angry?

 

No...just sad that it has to be that way. I can't waste my energy on

anger...I have too many things to do! I'd rather use it on something

I consider important like recycling or helping a neighbor or

simplifying my life somehow. There aren't enough hours in the day...

 

>> I'll tell you what. I think I will shut up for now and let you

guys agree on all of that in peace. I think I'm too controversial

here.

 

No, no, no, Barbara! NO one said you were controversial here and

there is no need for you to stifle yourself, heh-heh. <smiles>

Discussion is good...otherwise I wouldn't have found out as much as I

did about soy products, now would I???

 

(((HUGS)))

 

--Cee--

[Guest guest]

Woo-hoo! Amen. --C--

 

RealSimple , cyndikrall wrote:

>

>

> Good grief, of course you are! There's nothing wrong with being

strongly

> opinionated, lol. So am I! And I don't blame you for being angry,

IF you are.

> And what's wrong with being controversial? If we all agreed with

each other on

> everything, then we'd all be at McDonalds right now, lol.

>

> I'm angry too-but mostly with myself. I've eaten what the food

pyramid said

> was good for me, and fed it to my family and pets too, I've gotten

> chemotherapy because the doctors said it was good for me, I've

used carcinogenic

> chemicals in my home because they said it was good for my home to

be germ free,

> I've eaten GMO foods and irradiated foods because it was progress,

I've

> vaccinated my children and pets because they told me it was the

only way to keep them

> healthy.......and I'm mad at myself for listening blindly. It's

time we got

> mad.

>

> I DO believe in NT, for me personally, it makes sense, and it's

the path " I "

> choose to follow. But I expect everyone to go their own path.

Noone will

> change just because " we " know we're right, and they shouldn't.

Everyone should

> make up their own minds. No answer is right for everyone. And WE

HERE are the

> minority, everyone else thinks we're radical and nuts, lol.

>

> I love discussions like this, because it challenges my beliefs,

and that's a

> good thing. For too many years, we've believed everything everyone

has told

> us, and look where it's gotten us. I want to follow common sense

rules, like

> eating REAL food, and I don't ever want to be so rigid that I

refuse to

> change my opinion if it turns out to be wrong. I don't blame anyone

for not

> agreeing with me, why should anyone be so gullible? Everyone needs

to find out for

> themselves.

>

> It IS amazing how different food is in Europe. I don't blame them

for

> thinking we are the stoopidest people on the planet for allowing

ourselves to be

> fed this stuff. But we have noone to blame but ourselves-we've

ASKED the

> government to do this, and thanked them for it! We keep voting for

the same people,

> and we get the same results. We sue over frivolous issues, and the

law

> changes to favor the few and overrule common sense. We've ignored

the advent of

> unhealthy food and overconsumption and believed what Big Business

told us we

> needed.

>

> What we NEED is each other, to challenge our beliefs, strengthen

our

> resolve, and support each other in our basic agreement-REAL food

and SIMPLE

> lifestyle. If we don't all agree on the definition of those things,

that's ok, too.

>

> Ok, now I'm the one that needs to shut up, lol. There's nothing

wrong with

> voicing your opinion, Barbara, OR ANYONE. Remember I told you to

go ahead and

> do it? There's no need to fear controversy or disagreement. All my

bestest

> friends are the absolute most opinionated people, lol. :-)

>

> Cyndi

>

> In a message dated 2/13/2007 12:07:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> barbara3 writes:

>

> Celia, you seem to agree with me on all points I raised but

grains. I do

> agree that whole grais are better but they ALL turn into sugar

when digested,

> either slowly or fast. Do you have " Nourishing Traditions " ?

Sally Fellon

> says that all flours should be soaked over night then dried before

anything can

> be make from them. She claims that this is the only good, healthy

way to eat

> grains. I don't eat grains at all.

>

> You know, I don't know if I'm angry...but maybe I am because of

all the lies

> that our government and even more the medical establishment is

telling us

> and everyone who writes articles is repeating mindlessly. The

studies in

> Europe and elsewhere in the world are showing the exact opposite

of what we are

> being fed by the doctors and nutritionists. Our government is

telling us that

> there is nothing wrong with eating genetically modified crops or

irradiated

> meats and produce or the meat from the cloned animals but I think

you and most

> of the people on this list disagree with this. So why do they

tell us the

> lies? Because big business is dictating all the laws and rules to

FDA so they

> approve all those harmful food items to generate more profits for

the big

> business. Doesn't THAT make YOU angry?

>

> I'll tell you what. I think I will shut up for now and let you

guys agree

> on all of that in peace. I think I'm too controversial here.

>

> Barbara

>

> PS. Cyndi, am I still in the group??? LOL

Wow, Barb...you sound so angry!?!?!?! Regarding vegetable oils, I

largely

> agree...while I still use olive and some nut oils for salad

dressings or other

> " cold food " uses, (homemade mayonnaise, etc.) I now bake and fry

exclusively

> in butter or animal fat. As far as excluding meat from my diet, I

disagree

> also as I feel healthy portions of animal protein are important to

the

> balance of over-all health. Much of the rest, however, I think is

right on. I

> don't know of any healthy diet that does not include fruits and

vegetables!

> Even if from depleted soil, fruits and vegetables still contain

fiber and *some*

> nutritional value...but one does not need to buy commercial

produce and

> settle for an inferior product! I grow as much of my own

vegetables and herbs as

> I can in healthy compost-enriched soil, and when out of season, I

try to buy

> directly from local farms. I have no fruit bearing trees, but

again, I hand

> pick from local farms whenever possible. I think Cyndi buys farm-

fresh and

> organic whenever possible, and Ellen works hard to provide a

vitamin and

> mineral rich diet to her family...

>

> As for grains, I believe he's referring to " whole " grains, not

refined

> grains that have been stripped of their nutrients. There is a

HUGE difference in

> the way that our bodies handle and metabolize refined carbs and

complex

> carbohydrates, so I disagree that healthy whole grains

would " feed " cancer like

> junk food would.

>

> As for the soy bean argument, well, we all know that the verdict

is still

> out but it " ain't " lookin' good. I have yet to come across any

diet or

> nutritional article that I totally 100% agree with, but overall I

think there is a

> lot of valid information in the article.

>

> Well, Barbara...we will just have to agree to disagree on this one

and just

> move on. <smiles>

>

> --Cee--

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Oh, my God...isn't that awful? I am shocked...

 

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RealSimple , " Sluggy " <arcure wrote:

> ***************

> Speaking of vaccinations and govt......lol.....

> If you are a women & /or have daughters, please pay attention to

what is

> going on with this new HPV vaccine Gardasil. The governor of TX

has

> mandated that every 6th grade girl has to be vaccinated for HPV in

order to

> attend school in TX next year. The problem is there hasn't been

enough

> testing done on this vaccine yet so we have no short term OR long

term

> results.

> The Drug company is spending millions pushing this vaccine...pushed

it

> through FDA approval by lining govt's pockets and are spending

millions

> marketing it via tv/print ads. And the scare tactic ads lead you

to believe

> that if you don't get the vaccine, you WILL get Cervical Cancer!

Who can

> blame Merck for trying.....half the population of this country is a

> potential consumer of the drug....they stand to make billions off

it at $350

> a shot! If this becomes law in TX, that makes it that much easier

for the

> drug co. to get other states to cave into mandating it for your

school kids

> too. Merck-the maker, is currently pushing vaccine legislation in

20 more

> states now and D.C. through it's PACs.

> Just our govt. trying to protect us from ourselves again b/c we are

all too

> stupid & they know what's best for us.......yah, right...........

> sluggy

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Never in a hundred years would I ever vaccinate my daughter if I had one. This is really sickening how the big pharma is making billions treating our children like guinea pigs. They are the real criminals. They really push to make the vaccine mandatory because if it is, they are exempt from all responsibility of any harm done by their vaccine!!!!

Can you guys imagine that???? No one would be able to even sue them for the damages!

 

Thank goodness that EVERY state has an exemption program which they hide and try to convince the parents that this is a law and your child HAS to be vaccinated. And so many parents, like sheep follow their orders. On the news I heard twice already that the parents can refuse the shot but do people listen? On top of it, many people are already brainwashed that the vaccine is a great thing...will protect their child from cancer....yeah, right!

 

Barbara

 

 

Speaking of vaccinations and govt......lol.....If you are a women & /or have daughters, please pay attention to what is going on with this new HPV vaccine Gardasil. The governor of TX has mandated that every 6th grade girl has to be vaccinated for HPV in order to attend school in TX next year. The problem is there hasn't been enough testing done on this vaccine yet so we have no short term OR long term results.The Drug company is spending millions pushing this vaccine...pushed it through FDA approval by lining govt's pockets and are spending millions marketing it via tv/print ads. And the scare tactic ads lead you to believe that if you don't get the vaccine, you WILL get Cervical Cancer! Who can blame Merck for trying.....half the population of this country is a potential consumer of the drug....they stand to make billions off it at $350 a shot! If this becomes law in TX, that makes it that much easier for the drug co. to get other states to cave into mandating it for your school kids too. Merck-the maker, is currently pushing vaccine legislation in 20 more states now and D.C. through it's PACs.Just our govt. trying to protect us from ourselves again b/c we are all too stupid & they know what's best for us.......yah, right...........sluggy

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Thank you Cyndi..LOL

You are very right about the Europeans being smarter if it comes to the foods they eat. In fact you are right about everything you put into this post. Thank you

 

Barbara

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good grief, of course you are! There's nothing wrong with being strongly opinionated, lol. So am I! And I don't blame you for being angry, IF you are. And what's wrong with being controversial? If we all agreed with each other on everything, then we'd all be at McDonalds right now, lol.

 

I'm angry too-but mostly with myself. I've eaten what the food pyramid said was good for me, and fed it to my family and pets too, I've gotten chemotherapy because the doctors said it was good for me, I've used carcinogenic chemicals in my home because they said it was good for my home to be germ free, I've eaten GMO foods and irradiated foods because it was progress, I've vaccinated my children and pets because they told me it was the only way to keep them healthy.......and I'm mad at myself for listening blindly. It's time we got mad.

 

I DO believe in NT, for me personally, it makes sense, and it's the path "I" choose to follow. But I expect everyone to go their own path. Noone will change just because "we" know we're right, and they shouldn't. Everyone should make up their own minds. No answer is right for everyone. And WE HERE are the minority, everyone else thinks we're radical and nuts, lol.

 

I love discussions like this, because it challenges my beliefs, and that's a good thing. For too many years, we've believed everything everyone has told us, and look where it's gotten us. I want to follow common sense rules, like eating REAL food, and I don't ever want to be so rigid that I refuse to change my opinion if it turns out to be wrong. I don't blame anyone for not agreeing with me, why should anyone be so gullible? Everyone needs to find out for themselves.

 

It IS amazing how different food is in Europe. I don't blame them for thinking we are the stoopidest people on the planet for allowing ourselves to be fed this stuff. But we have noone to blame but ourselves-we've ASKED the government to do this, and thanked them for it! We keep voting for the same people, and we get the same results. We sue over frivolous issues, and the law changes to favor the few and overrule common sense. We've ignored the advent of unhealthy food and overconsumption and believed what Big Business told us we needed.

 

What we NEED is each other, to challenge our beliefs, strengthen our resolve, and support each other in our basic agreement-REAL food and SIMPLE lifestyle. If we don't all agree on the definition of those things, that's ok, too.

 

Ok, now I'm the one that needs to shut up, lol. There's nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, Barbara, OR ANYONE. Remember I told you to go ahead and do it? There's no need to fear controversy or disagreement. All my bestest friends are the absolute most opinionated people, lol. :-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 2/13/2007 12:07:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, barbara3 writes:

 

Celia, you seem to agree with me on all points I raised but grains. I do agree that whole grais are better but they ALL turn into sugar when digested, either slowly or fast. Do you have "Nourishing Traditions"? Sally Fellon says that all flours should be soaked over night then dried before anything can be make from them. She claims that this is the only good, healthy way to eat grains. I don't eat grains at all.

 

You know, I don't know if I'm angry...but maybe I am because of all the lies that our government and even more the medical establishment is telling us and everyone who writes articles is repeating mindlessly. The studies in Europe and elsewhere in the world are showing the exact opposite of what we are being fed by the doctors and nutritionists. Our government is telling us that there is nothing wrong with eating genetically modified crops or irradiated meats and produce or the meat from the cloned animals but I think you and most of the people on this list disagree with this. So why do they tell us the lies? Because big business is dictating all the laws and rules to FDA so they approve all those harmful food items to generate more profits for the big business. Doesn't THAT make YOU angry?

 

I'll tell you what. I think I will shut up for now and let you guys agree on all of that in peace. I think I'm too controversial here.

 

Barbara

 

PS. Cyndi, am I still in the group??? LOL

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, Barb...you sound so angry!?!?!?! Regarding vegetable oils, I largely agree...while I still use olive and some nut oils for salad dressings or other "cold food" uses, (homemade mayonnaise, etc.) I now bake and fry exclusively in butter or animal fat. As far as excluding meat from my diet, I disagree also as I feel healthy portions of animal protein are important to the balance of over-all health. Much of the rest, however, I think is right on. I don't know of any healthy diet that does not include fruits and vegetables! Even if from depleted soil, fruits and vegetables still contain fiber and *some* nutritional value...but one does not need to buy commercial produce and settle for an inferior product! I grow as much of my own vegetables and herbs as I can in healthy compost-enriched soil, and when out of season, I try to buy directly from local farms. I have no fruit bearing trees, but again, I hand pick from local farms whenever possible. I think Cyndi buys farm-fresh and organic whenever possible, and Ellen works hard to provide a vitamin and mineral rich diet to her family...

 

As for grains, I believe he's referring to "whole" grains, not refined grains that have been stripped of their nutrients. There is a HUGE difference in the way that our bodies handle and metabolize refined carbs and complex carbohydrates, so I disagree that healthy whole grains would "feed" cancer like junk food would.

 

As for the soy bean argument, well, we all know that the verdict is still out but it "ain't" lookin' good. I have yet to come across any diet or nutritional article that I totally 100% agree with, but overall I think there is a lot of valid information in the article.

 

Well, Barbara...we will just have to agree to disagree on this one and just move on. <smiles>

 

--Cee--

 

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Cyndi this is a great post of yours.. I am so behind in reading and replying to the messages that I will just tell you this and move on.

 

But one of these days you should give us a recipe how exactly are you making those roast veggie sandwiches. Remember, I never cooked in my life so I need the exact instructions... LOL

 

Barbara

 

 

 

 

I had a few problems with the article, but I thought the info on the nutritional value of the veggies was very valuable. Most people dismiss vegetables as the expendable part of a daily diet, so putting the nutritional info out there helps ME to be motivated to eat a wide variety of veggies!

 

My mother (divorced, no father to cook for) was a TERRIBLE cook. We grew up on a diet of convenience foods- cereal, Hamburger Helper (yes, it's that old, lol), Kraft Mac and Cheese (which I still love to this day, lol) and she never cooked vegetables, except for canned corn and canned peas, etc. The only vegetable I ever remember her cooking was green peppers in Pepper Steak for my father when I was about 6. I absolutely hated it-we were all forced to eat it-and it left me with an inability to eat green or red peppers to this day, lol. Other than that, I like pretty much every other veggie. I never ate fresh peas until I was in my 20's-and I mean fresh, not frozen or canned. I used to grow a LOT of veggies myself, both for the love of gardening AND the love of fresh veggies.

 

The thing I give her credit for is taking us to different restaurants when we were kids. We would get together with another family and go to Chinese restaurants or Swedish Smorgasbords, etc. What fun! And what great exposure to food! In those days those restaurants were filled with much more variety and freshness than there is today. Now, at most Chinese buffets, it's filled with mostly fried foods-everything gets deepfried so people will eat it, i guess. But not when i was young and growing up in New York. I have clear memories of stuffing unbelievable amounts of caviar into my mouth at a young age, lol! Chinese food meant fresh veggies with very little meat. Swedish Smorgasbord meant lots of fresh seafood. This is what I credit to giving me a love for all sorts of ethnic cuisine and fresh ingredients. Today, the best buffets I find are Thai-fresh ingredients and creative use of spices.

 

Roasted veggies are the best way to eat them! I frequently throw a bunch in a pan with olive oil, garlic, onions, and fresh herbs. The Pampered Chef clay bakeware does an incredible job with roasting veggies. Leftover roasted veggies make a great sandwich with a fresh sauce I make out of mayo, sour cream, or buttermilk, lemon juice, and herbs, especially with sourdough bread. Yum! I also throw leftover roasted veggies in soups, spaghetti sauce, alfredo sauce, everything, lol.

 

When I worked at the tea room, the owner used to beg me to make roasted veggie sandwiches for the staff, lol. I used to make them to serve to customers too, once in a while.

 

Cyndi

 

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Thank you Cee and hugs to you too!

 

Barbara

 

 

Barbara wrote:>> Celia, you seem to agree with me on all points I raised but grains. I do agree that whole grais are better but they ALL turn into sugar when digested, either slowly or fast. I agree that they all eventually turn to sugar, but so does fruit, veggies, beans, legumes and almost everything else that you eat. The less carbs and the less refined, the longer it takes to process and there is huge difference in how the body utilizes it. I eat all of the above items in small quantities and don't overdo it. I make oat groats and wheat berries and whole grains that take over an hour to cook because everything is intact, and much of it comes out as undigested fiber. It's like the difference between eating organic, grass fed beef and eating a factory farm hamburger loaded with crap. One makes you sick and the other does your body good..."in small quantities.">> Sally Fellon says that all flours should be soaked over night then dried before anything can be make from them. Soak flour??? Oh, I rarely use flour...only whole cooked grains or sprouted ones. For the occasional sandwich, I make something out of that which is slowly digested, like whole wheat with nuts and grains in it...which is why I wanted Ellen's WW tortilla recipe yesterday. >> <snip>...big business is dictating all the laws and rules to FDA so they approve all those harmful food items to generate more profits for the big business. Doesn't THAT make YOU angry? No...just sad that it has to be that way. I can't waste my energy on anger...I have too many things to do! I'd rather use it on something I consider important like recycling or helping a neighbor or simplifying my life somehow. There aren't enough hours in the day...>> I'll tell you what. I think I will shut up for now and let you guys agree on all of that in peace. I think I'm too controversial here. No, no, no, Barbara! NO one said you were controversial here and there is no need for you to stifle yourself, heh-heh. <smiles> Discussion is good...otherwise I wouldn't have found out as much as I did about soy products, now would I???(((HUGS)))--Cee--

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Cyndi wrote:

>> Good grief, of course you are! There's nothing wrong with being

strongly opinionated, lol. So am I! And I don't blame you for being

angry, IF you are. And what's wrong with being controversial? If we all

agreed with each other on everything, then we'd all be at McDonalds

right now, lol.

 

Hahaha! What a thought. McNasty's? Yuck!

 

--Cee--