Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 http://www.whywork.org/action/lifestyle/jobfree.htmlEllen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Be sure to also read Confessions of a Bottomfeeder (link at the bottom of that article.) I read it a while back, it's a fun read. :-)Cyndi In a message dated 1/13/2007 3:16:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, scentednights2002 writes: http://www.whywork.org/action/lifestyle/jobfree.html Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 LOL....that's scrounging too much! Not to my liking... Barbara http://www.whywork.org/action/lifestyle/jobfree.html Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Be sure to also read Confessions of a Bottomfeeder (link at the bottom of that article.) I read it a while back, it's a fun read. :-) Cyndi ************* OMG!lol I read about 75% of that page....my eyes started crossing before I got to page 2! I wouldn't go so far as to call it an 'essay' as they did....more of a semi-coherent, rambling, stream of consciensciousness, by someone who may or may not have a firm grasp on reality. But even crazy people can have good ideas it seems.lol I have always heard that one of the Best jobs to have if you want time/energy to pursue a passion that won't support you. is to work as a temp. You can work as much or as little as you like, depending on your financial/time needs. It's flexible and always available if you have a skill that agencies can use. Another one is waitstaffing. Working for tips doesn't sound like a great job, but if you break down the income per hours worked, waiting tables or bartending can be quite lucrative....if you can put up with having to take shit from people.lolol Some of the tips/info was interesting. But when they went into the realm of 'sticking it to the man before the man sticks it to you' and crossing the line into illegal, unethical or immoral, that's when they lost me. I personally have a problem with people who, in order to live the life they want to, either directly or indirectly cheat/steal from others or expect someone else to support them or their lifestyle. There seems to be a high percentage of that kind of thinking around nowadays and personally, I have way too many relatives in my life now who feel that the world or any family member who has money, owes them some. I have 2 in-laws who don't work-their CHOICE-but all they do is piss & moan about how broke they are & are always looking to us for a handout. Both of them could go out and get a job tomorrow, but refuse to. DH has to be the financially responsible one for their mother w/Alzheimer's, even though we are the ones with the least amount of time/most things on our plate(kids/high pressure job/little free time, etc.). Why? Because if we turned over her finances to any of his 3 siblings, they would systematically siphon off her income for their needs, leaving her destitute within 6 months. We found evidence of them accepting money from her before she was diagnosed w/Dementia 4 yrs ago, when she was exhibiting full blown symptons of the disease. (From what the drs and we can extrapilate, she had been symptomatic for 3 yrs before then). They would have had to have been stupid not to have noticed she wasn't 'all there'! They kept this info from us, as we weren't nearby to see it, and let her slip further into the disease as long as they could get her to sign over cash to them. Ask my BIL about the $100K CD he cosigned with her in Jersey that the paperwork for, just 'disappeared' right before it was coming due. MIL didn't have it and BIL 'claims' he doesn't have it. Wanna bet that next time it comes due and hubby goes to use the affidavit to cash it in for her, that it's already been cashed in on the previous rollover date by BIL and he's already spent it all? We blew their little schemes outta the water and got POA and financial control of her assets 4 yrs. ago, when we moved her out here to PA. We set up separate everything for her finances & Never mix our money with hers so the family bottom feeders can't come after us and question our fuduciary responsibility to her. Sorry.....didn't mean to go on & on about that.....lolol Nobody gets a free ride through life. If you are able bodied you should work, period! Work provides money which you need, and even more important, it is good for your soul. Just look all those 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. generation rich folks.....the kids of people who made a fortune(the Paris Hiltons, Nicole Richies, and others of that ilk). The ancestor who made the fortune had an amazing work ethic. Each subsequent generation either becomes a good steward of that wealth or not. They run the family business/oversee the family trust or charities or they just go off and fritter their entire life away playing and being a drain on the family & society. They never work or contributed to society in a positive way. At the end of their lives, will the world be a better place for them having been here? Will they be better people for having not worked or will their lives have been a waste of a carbon based life form. It's preferable to work at something you enjoy/have a passion for.....if you can't make a living at that, then work at something that gives you enough time to do what you enjoy but also gives you enough monetary resources to live a life where you don't have to have others support you, fully or partially. Money is Not evil, nor are most of the people who make a great deal of it evil. Money is a WONDERFUL TOOL if used properly that gives you options in life & FREEDOM(to live where you prefer, to work at what you love, have the free time w/friends or family or persue a passion, etc.). The most freeing thing IMHO is HAVING money. The more money you have available to you, the less crap you have to take off of other people.....the less you have to be indebted to others, work for an ahole boss, etc. Money gives you power over your own life, so that other people have less Power over You! That being said, the be all and end all shouldn't be the pursuit/accumulation of money. Pursue it so you can USE it to facilitate your life/lifestyle. Having money just for the sake of having it/hoarding it is not the goal. While money is a great tool, things are not. Things beyond what you truly need or can enjoy is clutter. Clutter is the anti-life force......it drags you down and imprisons you. So much clutter in your house makes it into a prison. I am only coming to this observation/way of thinking recently. I was an accumulator most of my life....I wasn't as bad as these people you hear about who get buried under piles of their own stuff and nobody finds them for 6 months and they are dead.lol But if left to my own devices & hadn't gotten my head out of my own ass, I might have ended up on the 6 o'clock news. Accumulating came from a place in me that needed stability....surrounding myself with things gave me that sense of stability. This all stems from my teenage years.....a time in my life when I was abandoned by my parents. But that's another story for another time.... At least I didn't have to spend thousands of $s seeing a shrink for 10 yrs. to finally see this about myself. Self analysis....hmmmm.....maybe I AM a bottom feeder after all! ;-) sluggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Sluggy, you mean you didn't have a problem with the phone sex career recommendation? ROFL!!!!! I couldn't believe my eyes, lol. Oh, well, to each his/her own! When i worked in banking, one of my various jobs one time was as a "floater." I did not have a permanent branch to work in, I just traveled to different branches when their Customer Service Reps were out sick or on vacation, etc. It was awesome, and I loved it. It suited my temperment, and I loved traveling to different parts of the county. Having worked in a restaurant for 4 years, waitressing was NOT suited for me, lolol. Some of you might not know me as well as Sluggy does, so let's just say I have a problem with *ssholes, lolol. I worked as a cook in the restaurant, which I loved, but it was HARD work. Now I'm too old and lazy, lol. Notary work, as an independent contractor, suits me completely, and I LOVE it. When I worked in banking I was a notary for 5 years, with no idea that it would become a full time endeavor for me some day. So you never know where you experience and skills might lead you. ecoming a full time Notary was DEFINITELY thinking outside the box for me, but it works better for me than anything else. i set my own hours (ZERO at the moment, lolol) and it suits my need for something new every day. I think i might have undiagnosed ADD, lol. I agree completely with your views on the ethical and moral implications of being employed, and making your way thru the world. I also firmly believe you can find a way to be a contributing member of society AND do something you're passionate about, no matter how "unimportant" that it might make you in the eyes of the world. I try to impress that on my kids. i want them to find some career that makes them HAPPY. "Working" and "happiness" and not mutually exclusive... Cyndi In a message dated 1/14/2007 12:13:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, arcure writes: Be sure to also read Confessions of a Bottomfeeder (link at the bottom of that article.) I read it a while back, it's a fun read. :-)Cyndi*************OMG!lol I read about 75% of that page....my eyes started crossing before I got to page 2! I wouldn't go so far as to call it an 'essay' as they did....more of a semi-coherent, rambling, stream of consciensciousness, by someone who may or may not have a firm grasp on reality. But even crazy people can have good ideas it seems.lolI have always heard that one of the Best jobs to have if you want time/energy to pursue a passion that won't support you. is to work as a temp. You can work as much or as little as you like, depending on your financial/time needs. It's flexible and always available if you have a skill that agencies can use.Another one is waitstaffing. Working for tips doesn't sound like a great job, but if you break down the income per hours worked, waiting tables or bartending can be quite lucrative....if you can put up with having to take shit from people.lololSome of the tips/info was interesting. But when they went into the realm of 'sticking it to the man before the man sticks it to you' and crossing the line into illegal, unethical or immoral, that's when they lost me.I personally have a problem with people who, in order to live the life they want to, either directly or indirectly cheat/steal from others or expect someone else to support them or their lifestyle. There seems to be a high percentage of that kind of thinking around nowadays and personally, I have way too many relatives in my life now who feel that the world or any family member who has money, owes them some.I have 2 in-laws who don't work-their CHOICE-but all they do is piss & moan about how broke they are & are always looking to us for a handout. Both of them could go out and get a job tomorrow, but refuse to.DH has to be the financially responsible one for their mother w/Alzheimer's, even though we are the ones with the least amount of time/most things on our plate(kids/high pressure job/little free time, etc.). Why? Because if we turned over her finances to any of his 3 siblings, they would systematically siphon off her income for their needs, leaving her destitute within 6 months.We found evidence of them accepting money from her before she was diagnosed w/Dementia 4 yrs ago, when she was exhibiting full blown symptons of the disease. (From what the drs and we can extrapilate, she had been symptomatic for 3 yrs before then). They would have had to have been stupid not to have noticed she wasn't 'all there'! They kept this info from us, as we weren't nearby to see it, and let her slip further into the disease as long as they could get her to sign over cash to them. Ask my BIL about the $100K CD he cosigned with her in Jersey that the paperwork for, just 'disappeared' right before it was coming due. MIL didn't have it and BIL 'claims' he doesn't have it.Wanna bet that next time it comes due and hubby goes to use the affidavit to cash it in for her, that it's already been cashed in on the previous rollover date by BIL and he's already spent it all?We blew their little schemes outta the water and got POA and financial control of her assets 4 yrs. ago, when we moved her out here to PA. We set up separate everything for her finances & Never mix our money with hers so the family bottom feeders can't come after us and question our fuduciary responsibility to her.Sorry.....didn't mean to go on & on about that.....lololNobody gets a free ride through life. If you are able bodied you should work, period! Work provides money which you need, and even more important, it is good for your soul. Just look all those 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. generation rich folks.....the kids of people who made a fortune(the Paris Hiltons, Nicole Richies, and others of that ilk). The ancestor who made the fortune had an amazing work ethic. Each subsequent generation either becomes a good steward of that wealth or not. They run the family business/oversee the family trust or charities or they just go off and fritter their entire life away playing and being a drain on the family & society. They never work or contributed to society in a positive way. At the end of their lives, will the world be a better place for them having been here? Will they be better people for having not worked or will their lives have been a waste of a carbon based life form.It's preferable to work at something you enjoy/have a passion for.....if you can't make a living at that, then work at something that gives you enough time to do what you enjoy but also gives you enough monetary resources to live a life where you don't have to have others support you, fully or partially.Money is Not evil, nor are most of the people who make a great deal of it evil. Money is a WONDERFUL TOOL if used properly that gives you options in life & FREEDOM(to live where you prefer, to work at what you love, have the free time w/friends or family or persue a passion, etc.). The most freeing thing IMHO is HAVING money. The more money you have available to you, the less crap you have to take off of other people.....the less you have to be indebted to others, work for an ahole boss, etc. Money gives you power over your own life, so that other people have less Power over You!That being said, the be all and end all shouldn't be the pursuit/accumulation of money. Pursue it so you can USE it to facilitate your life/lifestyle. Having money just for the sake of having it/hoarding it is not the goal.While money is a great tool, things are not. Things beyond what you truly need or can enjoy is clutter. Clutter is the anti-life force......it drags you down and imprisons you. So much clutter in your house makes it into a prison.I am only coming to this observation/way of thinking recently. I was an accumulator most of my life....I wasn't as bad as these people you hear about who get buried under piles of their own stuff and nobody finds them for 6 months and they are dead.lol But if left to my own devices & hadn't gotten my head out of my own ass, I might have ended up on the 6 o'clock news.Accumulating came from a place in me that needed stability....surrounding myself with things gave me that sense of stability. This all stems from my teenage years.....a time in my life when I was abandoned by my parents. But that's another story for another time....At least I didn't have to spend thousands of $s seeing a shrink for 10 yrs. to finally see this about myself. Self analysis....hmmmm.....maybe I AM a bottom feeder after all! ;-)sluggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Ellen, I guess you could call that a " Job Free Life " , but you'd be working so hard to get by on less money that you'd be better off spending that energy on producing income rather than trying to save it. I've found over the years that life is much more rewarding, not only financially but personal achievement, too, when I've produced my way rather than tried to conserve what I had. In other words, offense is better than defense. To find out how to have a Job Free Life, go instead to: http://www.JobFreeLife.com Kurt Gross Knoxville, TN http://www.GrossInternational.com/invite RealSimple , Ellen Christian <scentednights2002 wrote: > > http://www.whywork.org/action/lifestyle/jobfree.html > > Ellen LaFleche-Christian > Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont > http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf > > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 You're right, Kurt...for most folks it's just too much like work and it would make them miserable. However, for a small but growing population---folks like Ellen for instance---they feel immense freedom and pleasure in being self-sufficient, living minimally, and/or not having to do the nine-to-five thing with a boss. Work then becomes pleasure, because they are working for themselves. <shrugs shoulders> Definitely NOT for everyone, LOL! I used to look at it that way myself but the older I get, the more appealing it is... --Celia-- - Kurt Gross RealSimple Monday, January 15, 2007 2:13 AM [RealSimple] Re: How to live job free Ellen,I guess you could call that a "Job Free Life", but you'd be working so hard to get by on less money that you'd be better off spending that energy on producing income rather than trying to save it.I've found over the years that life is much more rewarding, not only financially but personal achievement, too, when I've produced my way rather than tried to conserve what I had.In other words, offense is better than defense. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 I would rather work 100% harder for myself than 50% easier for someone else. The work I do is on my business producing my products under my direction. No one tells me what to do or when to do it. I don't like "the system" and don't plan on contributing to it any more than I need to.Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Way to go, sista! <wink-wink> --Celia-- - Ellen Christian RealSimple Monday, January 15, 2007 8:12 AM Re: [RealSimple] Re: How to live job free I would rather work 100% harder for myself than 50% easier for someone else. The work I do is on my business producing my products under my direction. No one tells me what to do or when to do it. I don't like "the system" and don't plan on contributing to it any more than I need to. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Hi John M, I am a Notary with a mobile Signing Service as an 'extra' business to supplement my networking business. If you have any thing I can help you with about getting your Notary biz going, feel free to email me at kurtray-at-gmail-dot-com (entered in code as actual email may not travel thru). Success to you, Kurt Gross http://www.GrossInternational.com/notary RealSimple , " John McNally " <john wrote: > > Hi Cyndi, > > I also worked as a cook before becoming a notary, interesting synch! I loved cooking too, but it was very hard work. I mainly worked in hospitals, I tried a restaurant once but -wow, that was really hard! > > There are some good ways to make money online now. The one I've had the most success with is t-shirt design at http://www.cafepress.com If you're good at coming up with funny sayings or drawing simple designs, then there's a chance you can make a lot of money. Me and my s/o have been doing this for several years now, it took us a while to find something that really sold well, but now we have a solid secondary income coming in every month. > > Right now I'm working part time in a store, while I'm trying to get my private Notary biz off the ground. Hopefully, I'll be able to combine that with my online income and live job free by next year. > > John M > > > > > On 1/14/2007 at 4:19 PM cyndikrall wrote: > Sluggy, you mean you didn't have a problem with the phone sex career recommendation? ROFL!!!!! I couldn't believe my eyes, lol. Oh, well, to each his/her own! > > When i worked in banking, one of my various jobs one time was as a " floater. " I did not have a permanent branch to work in, I just traveled to different branches when their Customer Service Reps were out sick or on vacation, etc. It was awesome, and I loved it. It suited my temperment, and I loved traveling to different parts of the county. > > Having worked in a restaurant for 4 years, waitressing was NOT suited for me, lolol. Some of you might not know me as well as Sluggy does, so let's just say I have a problem with *ssholes, lolol. I worked as a cook in the restaurant, which I loved, but it was HARD work. Now I'm too old and lazy, lol. Notary work, as an independent contractor, suits me completely, and I LOVE it. When I worked in banking I was a notary for 5 years, with no idea that it would become a full time endeavor for me some day. So you never know where you experience and skills might lead you. ecoming a full time Notary was DEFINITELY thinking outside the box for me, but it works better for me than anything else. i set my own hours (ZERO at the moment, lolol) and it suits my need for something new every day. I think i might have undiagnosed ADD, lol. > > I agree completely with your views on the ethical and moral implications of being employed, and making your way thru the world. I also firmly believe you can find a way to be a contributing member of society AND do something you're passionate about, no matter how " unimportant " that it might make you in the eyes of the world. I try to impress that on my kids. i want them to find some career that makes them HAPPY. " Working " and " happiness " and not mutually exclusive... > > Cyndi > > > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2007 12:13:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, arcure writes: > > > Be sure to also read Confessions of a Bottomfeeder (link at the bottom of > that article.) I read it a while back, it's a fun read. :-) > > Cyndi > ************* > OMG!lol I read about 75% of that page....my eyes started crossing before I > got to page 2! I wouldn't go so far as to call it an 'essay' as they > did....more of a semi-coherent, rambling, stream of consciensciousness, by > someone who may or may not have a firm grasp on reality. But even crazy > people can have good ideas it seems.lol > > I have always heard that one of the Best jobs to have if you want > time/energy to pursue a passion that won't support you. is to work as a > temp. You can work as much or as little as you like, depending on your > financial/time needs. It's flexible and always available if you have a > skill that agencies can use. > Another one is waitstaffing. Working for tips doesn't sound like a great > job, but if you break down the income per hours worked, waiting tables or > bartending can be quite lucrative....if you can put up with having to take > shit from people.lolol > > Some of the tips/info was interesting. But when they went into the realm of > 'sticking it to the man before the man sticks it to you' and crossing the > line into illegal, unethical or immoral, that's when they lost me. > > I personally have a problem with people who, in order to live the life they > want to, either directly or indirectly cheat/steal from others or expect > someone else to support them or their lifestyle. There seems to be a high > percentage of that kind of thinking around nowadays and personally, I have > way too many relatives in my life now who feel that the world or any family > member who has money, owes them some. > > I have 2 in-laws who don't work-their CHOICE-but all they do is piss & moan > about how broke they are & are always looking to us for a handout. Both of > them could go out and get a job tomorrow, but refuse to. > > DH has to be the financially responsible one for their mother w/Alzheimer's, > even though we are the ones with the least amount of time/most things on our > plate(kids/high pressure job/little free time, etc.). Why? Because if we > turned over her finances to any of his 3 siblings, they would systematically > siphon off her income for their needs, leaving her destitute within 6 > months. > We found evidence of them accepting money from her before she was diagnosed > w/Dementia 4 yrs ago, when she was exhibiting full blown symptons of the > disease. (From what the drs and we can extrapilate, she had been symptomatic > for 3 yrs before then). They would have had to have been stupid not to have > noticed she wasn't 'all there'! They kept this info from us, as we weren't > nearby to see it, and let her slip further into the disease as long as they > could get her to sign over cash to them. Ask my BIL about the $100K CD he > cosigned with her in Jersey that the paperwork for, just 'disappeared' right > before it was coming due. MIL didn't have it and BIL 'claims' he doesn't > have it. > Wanna bet that next time it comes due and hubby goes to use the affidavit to > cash it in for her, that it's already been cashed in on the previous > rollover date by BIL and he's already spent it all? > > We blew their little schemes outta the water and got POA and financial > control of her assets 4 yrs. ago, when we moved her out here to PA. We set > up separate everything for her finances & Never mix our money with hers so > the family bottom feeders can't come after us and question our fuduciary > responsibility to her. > Sorry.....didn't mean to go on & on about that.....lolol > > Nobody gets a free ride through life. If you are able bodied you should > work, period! Work provides money which you need, and even more important, > it is good for your soul. Just look all those 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. generation > rich folks.....the kids of people who made a fortune(the Paris Hiltons, > Nicole Richies, and others of that ilk). The ancestor who made the fortune > had an amazing work ethic. Each subsequent generation either becomes a good > steward of that wealth or not. They run the family business/oversee the > family trust or charities or they just go off and fritter their entire life > away playing and being a drain on the family & society. They never work or > contributed to society in a positive way. At the end of their lives, will > the world be a better place for them having been here? Will they be better > people for having not worked or will their lives have been a waste of a > carbon based life form. > > It's preferable to work at something you enjoy/have a passion for.....if > you can't make a living at that, then work at something that gives you > enough time to do what you enjoy but also gives you enough monetary > resources to live a life where you don't have to have others support you, > fully or partially. > > Money is Not evil, nor are most of the people who make a great deal of it > evil. Money is a WONDERFUL TOOL if used properly that gives you options in > life & FREEDOM(to live where you prefer, to work at what you love, have the > free time w/friends or family or persue a passion, etc.). The most freeing > thing IMHO is HAVING money. The more money you have available to you, the > less crap you have to take off of other people.....the less you have to be > indebted to others, work for an ahole boss, etc. Money gives you power > over your own life, so that other people have less Power over You! > > That being said, the be all and end all shouldn't be the > pursuit/accumulation of money. Pursue it so you can USE it to facilitate > your life/lifestyle. Having money just for the sake of having it/hoarding > it is not the goal. > > While money is a great tool, things are not. Things beyond what you truly > need or can enjoy is clutter. Clutter is the anti-life force......it drags > you down and imprisons you. So much clutter in your house makes it into a > prison. > I am only coming to this observation/way of thinking recently. I was an > accumulator most of my life....I wasn't as bad as these people you hear > about who get buried under piles of their own stuff and nobody finds them > for 6 months and they are dead.lol But if left to my own devices & hadn't > gotten my head out of my own ass, I might have ended up on the 6 o'clock > news. > Accumulating came from a place in me that needed stability....surrounding > myself with things gave me that sense of stability. This all stems from my > teenage years.....a time in my life when I was abandoned by my parents. But > that's another story for another time.... > At least I didn't have to spend thousands of $s seeing a shrink for 10 yrs. > to finally see this about myself. Self analysis....hmmmm.....maybe I AM a > bottom feeder after all! ;-) > sluggy > > > > > See what's new at Telepathic Frog Designs: > > http://www.telepathicfrog.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Hi Celia, I think I didn't make my point clear. Actually, I agree with what you're saying. Check out this page within my site to see what I mean. Maybe it's better expressed here: http://www.GrossInternational.com/biglie http://www.GrossInternational.com/jobsstink http://www.GrossInternational.com/lifewithoutajob Does this sound like what you're saying? Kurt Gross http://www.GrossInternational.com/invite RealSimple , " Celia Browne " <cbrowne wrote: > > You're right, Kurt...for most folks it's just too much like work and it would make them miserable. However, for a small but growing population---folks like Ellen for instance---they feel immense freedom and pleasure in being self-sufficient, living minimally, and/or not having to do the nine-to-five thing with a boss. Work then becomes pleasure, because they are working for themselves. <shrugs shoulders> Definitely NOT for everyone, LOL! I used to look at it that way myself but the older I get, the more appealing it is... > > --Celia-- > > > > - > Kurt Gross > RealSimple > Monday, January 15, 2007 2:13 AM > [RealSimple] Re: How to live job free > > > Ellen, > > I guess you could call that a " Job Free Life " , but you'd be working > so hard to get by on less money that you'd be better off spending > that energy on producing income rather than trying to save it. > > I've found over the years that life is much more rewarding, not only > financially but personal achievement, too, when I've produced my way > rather than tried to conserve what I had. > > In other words, offense is better than defense. > > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Okay, Kurt...I went to your links and see that you are recruiting folks for a business opportunity in Quixtar to work under you. (Your "Team.") I must politely--but totally--disagree. We are discussing two totally different things. As a long time business coach and networking professional, I have had a LOT of experience with Quixtar folks since its inception, both successes and failures. Working the 'Quixtar Pyramid' takes real work (though every "independent business owner" of Quixtar denies this) and does, in my opinion, keep one part of the rat race. Can you get rich off of it? Sure...especially if you spin your wheels really hard in that 'habitat hamster trail.' Donald Trump didn't get rich from being lazy. Are you tied to a desk 9-5 with a nagging boss standing over your head? No...you are working for yourself. But my experience in helping these folks is that long term those who work REALLY hard do make money and those that don't, simply don't survive. You, the independent agent, must continually build, bolster and replenish your network or risk collapsing. Kurt, this list is about 'simplifying' one's life through getting away from "affluenza" and consumerism...not making a living off of it. It's not about 'producing income' so one does not have to conserve...it's about a DESIRE to conserve. It's about minimalizing, reusing, recycling and reducing. Does everyone have to buy shampoo, detergent and cleaning supplies like your site suggests? No sir, they sure don't. Some folks on this list do, but many make their own or buy only organic, eco-friendly and/or chemical free products. I could be wrong, but I am not aware of Quixtar offering all natural, organic, eco-friendly, chemical free products that would meet this criteria...and if I AM wrong, please correct me. Many of us want to reduce our carbon imprint on this planet, and Quixtar, like all big businesses, contributes to a LARGE carbon imprint. I think we will just have to agree to disagree on what it means to be out of the rat race on this one, Kurt, LOL! Regards, Celia - Kurt Gross RealSimple Monday, January 15, 2007 12:11 PM [RealSimple] Re: How to live job free Hi Celia,I think I didn't make my point clear. Actually, I agree with what you're saying. Check out this page within my site to see what I mean. Maybe it's better expressed here: http://www.GrossInternational.com/bigliehttp://www.GrossInternational.com/jobsstinkhttp://www.GrossInternational.com/lifewithoutajobDoes this sound like what you're saying?Kurt Grosshttp://www.GrossInternational.com/inviteRealSimple , "Celia Browne" <cbrowne wrote:>> You're right, Kurt...for most folks it's just too much like work and it would make them miserable. However, for a small but growing population---folks like Ellen for instance---they feel immense freedom and pleasure in being self-sufficient, living minimally, and/or not having to do the nine-to-five thing with a boss. Work then becomes pleasure, because they are working for themselves. <shrugs shoulders> Definitely NOT for everyone, LOL! I used to look at it that way myself but the older I get, the more appealing it is...> > --Celia--> > > > - > Kurt Gross > RealSimple > Monday, January 15, 2007 2:13 AM> [RealSimple] Re: How to live job free .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 There's risk in ANY method. No way is right or wrong. Our goals are the same, no matter which way we choose to express it. And there's a big difference between ignoring "the system" and choosing to reject the system. Who says Ellen is not changing the system by choosing a different path? I think she represents a trend, she's by no means alone! To me, ignoring the system is not taking advantage of our right to vote. We DO have a voice, even if we lose. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, Ellen, lol, I don't mean to sound excluding. Cyndi In a message dated 1/16/2007 9:45:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kurtray writes: Ellen,I'm with you on your goal, but sometimes those working in the system bring about more change than those who run away.Two different methods. Now, if you're saying that ONLY your approach is the right one, then I beg to differ with you. If not, then we're at peace with each other because I'm in agreement with you, the current system stinks.I'm aware of the chance of getting caught up in the system and becoming a part of the problem instead of the solution. Are you aware of the risk in your method?Ignoring the system and pretending it's not there can be more dangerous than trying to change it from within.Kurt Grosshttp://www.GrossInternational.com/invite RealSimple , Ellen Christian <scentednights2002 wrote:>> I would rather work 100% harder for myself than 50% easier for someone else. The work I do is on my business producing my products under my direction. No one tells me what to do or when to do it. I don't like "the system" and don't plan on contributing to it any more than I need to.> > Ellen LaFleche-Christian> Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont> http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Ellen, I'm with you on your goal, but sometimes those working in the system bring about more change than those who run away. Two different methods. Now, if you're saying that ONLY your approach is the right one, then I beg to differ with you. If not, then we're at peace with each other because I'm in agreement with you, the current system stinks. I'm aware of the chance of getting caught up in the system and becoming a part of the problem instead of the solution. Are you aware of the risk in your method? Ignoring the system and pretending it's not there can be more dangerous than trying to change it from within. Kurt Gross http://www.GrossInternational.com/invite RealSimple , Ellen Christian <scentednights2002 wrote: > > I would rather work 100% harder for myself than 50% easier for someone else. The work I do is on my business producing my products under my direction. No one tells me what to do or when to do it. I don't like " the system " and don't plan on contributing to it any more than I need to. > > Ellen LaFleche-Christian > Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont > http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hi Celia, You're right about a lot of what you say. I've seen way more of what you're talking about than I have what we're doing. We teach a simple concept that's not mainstream: get started, shop for things that you were going to buy anyway, and share the good parts with anyone, just like you would with any product or store that you found. There are many different team philosophies out there. Please don't put what you've seen others do on me. You sound like you know enough about these type systems to get my drift here. Most don't, or won't bother even thinking about it. It's a quirk of humanity how we'll experience something from a person and associate their behavior upon a whole population set. Most people can discern that being treated bad by one realtor, car sales person, docotr, etc. shouldn't be transferred over to another realtor, car sales person or doctor that they meet later in life, yet it does happen. And it happens in much higher numbers when a given industry has a larger than normal amount of knuckle heads. You asked me to comment on Quixtar's carbon footprint. They have won many acclaims over the years for their environmental policies. Now, whether that's " bought and paid for " endorsements, I don't know. I know that the UN has given them accolades in the past for their environmental friendly products, but then again, my skepticism of hte UN is so strong that I wonder if it's valid or not. Their very first product, LOC (Liquid Organic Cleaner) is a very environmentally friendly product. And they've manufactured it since 1959, way back before environmental issues were cool for the masses. All that said, and there's more that could be but I won't here, please don't judge me with a broad brush stroke based on others you may have met. I promise to do the same with you, ok? I recycle, I grow some of my stuff, but not all or even as much as I'd like. I carry more out when I go hiking than I carry in, and I try to be the best American that I can. We all have room to grow, right? If you'll give me a chance, I'll return the favor. I've not tried to " recruit " anyone on this board, or anywhere for that matter, so please don't treat me like I have, not that you would, but others might jump to that conclusion without any evidence. I simply shop at Quixtar AND other places, too. And just like anyone who finds things that they like, I tell my friends about them. The only difference is that I have a financial incentive to share whereas I don't if I shop at someone else's store. If you wanted to shop at Quixtar, I'm in the business of helping you do that and I get rewarded for helping bring you there. It's HOW each of us does that is what I'm asking that you judge. I tell, I don't sell. I offer, I don't pressure. If you'd like to register there and check out their product line of over a million products, I can send you to a link where you can register. It's you who would decide whether to buy or not, just like you would at any store. And if it bothers you that I would profit from my referral, no problem, you can just go to a regular store and let some stranger profit. It's your choice. I find that many people feel weird knowing that I'd profit from their shopping. Yet, they're fine with the fact that some stranger who owns the store they do chose to shop at will. At least I'm an American, and someone they know who isn't abusing society with my profits. Odd, isn't it? BTW, I'm not " recruiting people " . I'm endorsing my store as a place to shop because that's my livelihood. And I do keep my eyes and ears open for potential customers and/or business partners, but I don't actively " recruit " . There is a difference. Anyway, thanks for the post. I'm impressed with your knowledge of our industry. It's really a nicer group of people than most think it is, it's just that it only takes a few knuckle heads to give us all a black eye. Kurt Gross http://www.GrossInternational.com/invite RealSimple , " Celia Browne-Wanat " <cbrowne wrote: > > Okay, Kurt...I went to your links and see that you are recruiting folks for a business opportunity in Quixtar to work under you. (Your " Team. " ) I must politely--but totally--disagree. We are discussing two totally different things. As a long time business coach and networking professional, I have had a LOT of experience with Quixtar folks since its inception, both successes and failures. Working the 'Quixtar Pyramid' takes real work (though every " independent business owner " of Quixtar denies this) and does, in my opinion, keep one part of the rat race. Can you get rich off of it? Sure...especially if you spin your wheels really hard in that 'habitat hamster trail.' Donald Trump didn't get rich from being lazy. Are you tied to a desk 9-5 with a nagging boss standing over your head? No...you are working for yourself. But my experience in helping these folks is that long term those who work REALLY hard do make money and those that don't, simply don't survive. You, the independent agent, must continually build, bolster and replenish your network or risk collapsing. > > Kurt, this list is about 'simplifying' one's life through getting away from " affluenza " and consumerism...not making a living off of it. It's not about 'producing income' so one does not have to conserve...it's about a DESIRE to conserve. It's about minimalizing, reusing, recycling and reducing. Does everyone have to buy shampoo, detergent and cleaning supplies like your site suggests? No sir, they sure don't. Some folks on this list do, but many make their own or buy only organic, eco-friendly and/or chemical free products. I could be wrong, but I am not aware of Quixtar offering all natural, organic, eco-friendly, chemical free products that would meet this criteria...and if I AM wrong, please correct me. Many of us want to reduce our carbon imprint on this planet, and Quixtar, like all big businesses, contributes to a LARGE carbon imprint. > > I think we will just have to agree to disagree on what it means to be out of the rat race on this one, Kurt, LOL! > > Regards, > > Celia > > > > - > Kurt Gross > RealSimple > Monday, January 15, 2007 12:11 PM > [RealSimple] Re: How to live job free > > > Hi Celia, > > I think I didn't make my point clear. Actually, I agree with what > you're saying. Check out this page within my site to see what I > mean. Maybe it's better expressed here: > http://www.GrossInternational.com/biglie > http://www.GrossInternational.com/jobsstink > http://www.GrossInternational.com/lifewithoutajob > > Does this sound like what you're saying? > > Kurt Gross > http://www.GrossInternational.com/invite > > RealSimple , " Celia Browne " <cbrowne@> wrote: > > > > You're right, Kurt...for most folks it's just too much like work > and it would make them miserable. However, for a small but growing > population---folks like Ellen for instance---they feel immense > freedom and pleasure in being self-sufficient, living minimally, > and/or not having to do the nine-to-five thing with a boss. Work > then becomes pleasure, because they are working for themselves. > <shrugs shoulders> Definitely NOT for everyone, LOL! I used to look > at it that way myself but the older I get, the more appealing it is... > > > > --Celia-- > > > > > > > > - > > Kurt Gross > > RealSimple > > Monday, January 15, 2007 2:13 AM > > [RealSimple] Re: How to live job free > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Well, Ellen has never said anywhere on this list that her way is the ONLY approach...just that it's what she prefers and enjoys. <smiles> Just as you would not find joy in her method, she would not find joy in yours. You derive satisfaction from " making a change " from within the system, and more power to ya! Ellen on the other hand simply wants out of the system...period. She's not ignoring it or pretending it's not there...she chooses not to operate from within it whenever possible. (More power to her!) She likes to homestead the old fashioned way and take care of her family from scratch...everything from baking and cooking by hand on a wood stove to homeschooling, bartering and trading for goods, hand washing clothes, growing her own vegetables, selling chicken eggs, etc. As for risk in her method...what? That she might not make enough money one year or that her homestead may not produce enough to get through them through the winter??? That's a risk every family farm has taken for thousands of years...and I don't think it's good enough reason not to persue your dreams. She would be unhappy doing it any other way. Clearly you enjoy what you do with Quixtar, so despite any down sides you may encounter, like everyone else, you should follow your dream... Peace, Celia RealSimple , " Kurt Gross " <kurtray wrote: > > Ellen, > > I'm with you on your goal, but sometimes those working in the system > bring about more change than those who run away. > > Two different methods. Now, if you're saying that ONLY your approach > is the right one, then I beg to differ with you. > > If not, then we're at peace with each other because I'm in agreement > with you, the current system stinks. > > I'm aware of the chance of getting caught up in the system and > becoming a part of the problem instead of the solution. Are you > aware of the risk in your method? > > Ignoring the system and pretending it's not there can be more > dangerous than trying to change it from within. > > Kurt Gross > http://www.GrossInternational.com/invite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Oops! Sorry for kind of duplicating what you already posted here, Cyndi...I did not read ahead so I kind of repeated what you said in a rather elongated version, LOL! (Kurt, not trying to beat up on ya...I didn't see that Cyndi had already responded!) As for Ellen...HEY, ELLEN! I too am guilty of referring to you in the third party. Mea Culpa!!! (((HUGS))) --Cee-- - cyndikrall RealSimple Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:15 PM Re: [RealSimple] Re: How to live job free There's risk in ANY method. No way is right or wrong. Our goals are the same, no matter which way we choose to express it. And there's a big difference between ignoring "the system" and choosing to reject the system. Who says Ellen is not changing the system by choosing a different path? I think she represents a trend, she's by no means alone! To me, ignoring the system is not taking advantage of our right to vote. We DO have a voice, even if we lose. Sorry to talk about you in the third person, Ellen, lol, I don't mean to sound excluding. Cyndi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hi Kurt, Thanks! I recognize you from the SigningAgent group. I've been following all the posts there getting lots of great advice. Right now I'm in the process of signing up to every online agency I can find. I've already passed my business card around town, although I haven't brought any to the jail yet. I've read that it's a good place for busness, but I'm not sure about the clientelle. John M On 1/15/2007 at 5:05 PM Kurt Gross wrote: >Hi John M, > >I am a Notary with a mobile Signing Service as an 'extra' business to >supplement my networking business. > >If you have any thing I can help you with about getting your Notary >biz going, feel free to email me at kurtray-at-gmail-dot-com (entered >in code as actual email may not travel thru). > >Success to you, > >Kurt Gross >http://www.GrossInternational.com/notary > >RealSimple , " John McNally " <john wrote: >> >> Hi Cyndi, >> >> I also worked as a cook before becoming a notary, interesting >synch! I loved cooking too, but it was very hard work. I mainly >worked in hospitals, I tried a restaurant once but -wow, that was >really hard! >> >> There are some good ways to make money online now. The one I've had >the most success with is t-shirt design at http://www.cafepress.com >If you're good at coming up with funny sayings or drawing simple >designs, then there's a chance you can make a lot of money. Me and >my s/o have been doing this for several years now, it took us a while >to find something that really sold well, but now we have a solid >secondary income coming in every month. >> >> Right now I'm working part time in a store, while I'm trying to get >my private Notary biz off the ground. Hopefully, I'll be able to >combine that with my online income and live job free by next year. >> >> John M >> >> >> >> >> On 1/14/2007 at 4:19 PM cyndikrall wrote: >> Sluggy, you mean you didn't have a problem with the phone sex >career recommendation? ROFL!!!!! I couldn't believe my eyes, lol. Oh, >well, to each his/her own! >> >> When i worked in banking, one of my various jobs one time was as >a " floater. " I did not have a permanent branch to work in, I just >traveled to different branches when their Customer Service Reps were >out sick or on vacation, etc. It was awesome, and I loved it. It >suited my temperment, and I loved traveling to different parts of the >county. >> >> Having worked in a restaurant for 4 years, waitressing was NOT >suited for me, lolol. Some of you might not know me as well as Sluggy >does, so let's just say I have a problem with *ssholes, lolol. I >worked as a cook in the restaurant, which I loved, but it was HARD >work. Now I'm too old and lazy, lol. Notary work, as an independent >contractor, suits me completely, and I LOVE it. When I worked in >banking I was a notary for 5 years, with no idea that it would become >a full time endeavor for me some day. So you never know where you >experience and skills might lead you. ecoming a full time Notary was >DEFINITELY thinking outside the box for me, but it works better for >me than anything else. i set my own hours (ZERO at the moment, lolol) >and it suits my need for something new every day. I think i might >have undiagnosed ADD, lol. >> >> I agree completely with your views on the ethical and moral >implications of being employed, and making your way thru the world. I >also firmly believe you can find a way to be a contributing member of >society AND do something you're passionate about, no matter >how " unimportant " that it might make you in the eyes of the world. I >try to impress that on my kids. i want them to find some career that >makes them HAPPY. " Working " and " happiness " and not mutually >exclusive... >> >> Cyndi >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2007 12:13:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >arcure writes: >> >> >> Be sure to also read Confessions of a Bottomfeeder (link at the >bottom of >> that article.) I read it a while back, it's a fun read. :-) >> >> Cyndi >> ************* >> OMG!lol I read about 75% of that page....my eyes started crossing >before I >> got to page 2! I wouldn't go so far as to call it an 'essay' as >they >> did....more of a semi-coherent, rambling, stream of >consciensciousness, by >> someone who may or may not have a firm grasp on reality. But even >crazy >> people can have good ideas it seems.lol >> >> I have always heard that one of the Best jobs to have if you want >> time/energy to pursue a passion that won't support you. is to work >as a >> temp. You can work as much or as little as you like, depending on >your >> financial/time needs. It's flexible and always available if you >have a >> skill that agencies can use. >> Another one is waitstaffing. Working for tips doesn't sound like a >great >> job, but if you break down the income per hours worked, waiting >tables or >> bartending can be quite lucrative....if you can put up with having >to take >> shit from people.lolol >> >> Some of the tips/info was interesting. But when they went into the >realm of >> 'sticking it to the man before the man sticks it to you' and >crossing the >> line into illegal, unethical or immoral, that's when they lost me. >> >> I personally have a problem with people who, in order to live the >life they >> want to, either directly or indirectly cheat/steal from others or >expect >> someone else to support them or their lifestyle. There seems to be >a high >> percentage of that kind of thinking around nowadays and personally, >I have >> way too many relatives in my life now who feel that the world or >any family >> member who has money, owes them some. >> >> I have 2 in-laws who don't work-their CHOICE-but all they do is >piss & moan >> about how broke they are & are always looking to us for a handout. >Both of >> them could go out and get a job tomorrow, but refuse to. >> >> DH has to be the financially responsible one for their mother >w/Alzheimer's, >> even though we are the ones with the least amount of time/most >things on our >> plate(kids/high pressure job/little free time, etc.). Why? Because >if we >> turned over her finances to any of his 3 siblings, they would >systematically >> siphon off her income for their needs, leaving her destitute within >6 >> months. >> We found evidence of them accepting money from her before she was >diagnosed >> w/Dementia 4 yrs ago, when she was exhibiting full blown symptons >of the >> disease. (From what the drs and we can extrapilate, she had been >symptomatic >> for 3 yrs before then). They would have had to have been stupid not >to have >> noticed she wasn't 'all there'! They kept this info from us, as we >weren't >> nearby to see it, and let her slip further into the disease as long >as they >> could get her to sign over cash to them. Ask my BIL about the $100K >CD he >> cosigned with her in Jersey that the paperwork for, >just 'disappeared' right >> before it was coming due. MIL didn't have it and BIL 'claims' he >doesn't >> have it. >> Wanna bet that next time it comes due and hubby goes to use the >affidavit to >> cash it in for her, that it's already been cashed in on the >previous >> rollover date by BIL and he's already spent it all? >> >> We blew their little schemes outta the water and got POA and >financial >> control of her assets 4 yrs. ago, when we moved her out here to PA. >We set >> up separate everything for her finances & Never mix our money with >hers so >> the family bottom feeders can't come after us and question our >fuduciary >> responsibility to her. >> Sorry.....didn't mean to go on & on about that.....lolol >> >> Nobody gets a free ride through life. If you are able bodied you >should >> work, period! Work provides money which you need, and even more >important, >> it is good for your soul. Just look all those 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. >generation >> rich folks.....the kids of people who made a fortune(the Paris >Hiltons, >> Nicole Richies, and others of that ilk). The ancestor who made the >fortune >> had an amazing work ethic. Each subsequent generation either >becomes a good >> steward of that wealth or not. They run the family business/oversee >the >> family trust or charities or they just go off and fritter their >entire life >> away playing and being a drain on the family & society. They never >work or >> contributed to society in a positive way. At the end of their >lives, will >> the world be a better place for them having been here? Will they be >better >> people for having not worked or will their lives have been a waste >of a >> carbon based life form. >> >> It's preferable to work at something you enjoy/have a passion >for.....if >> you can't make a living at that, then work at something that gives >you >> enough time to do what you enjoy but also gives you enough monetary >> resources to live a life where you don't have to have others >support you, >> fully or partially. >> >> Money is Not evil, nor are most of the people who make a great deal >of it >> evil. Money is a WONDERFUL TOOL if used properly that gives you >options in >> life & FREEDOM(to live where you prefer, to work at what you love, >have the >> free time w/friends or family or persue a passion, etc.). The most >freeing >> thing IMHO is HAVING money. The more money you have available to >you, the >> less crap you have to take off of other people.....the less you >have to be >> indebted to others, work for an ahole boss, etc. Money gives you >power >> over your own life, so that other people have less Power over You! >> >> That being said, the be all and end all shouldn't be the >> pursuit/accumulation of money. Pursue it so you can USE it to >facilitate >> your life/lifestyle. Having money just for the sake of having >it/hoarding >> it is not the goal. >> >> While money is a great tool, things are not. Things beyond what you >truly >> need or can enjoy is clutter. Clutter is the anti-life >force......it drags >> you down and imprisons you. So much clutter in your house makes it >into a >> prison. >> I am only coming to this observation/way of thinking recently. I >was an >> accumulator most of my life....I wasn't as bad as these people you >hear >> about who get buried under piles of their own stuff and nobody >finds them >> for 6 months and they are dead.lol But if left to my own devices & >hadn't >> gotten my head out of my own ass, I might have ended up on the 6 >o'clock >> news. >> Accumulating came from a place in me that needed >stability....surrounding >> myself with things gave me that sense of stability. This all stems >from my >> teenage years.....a time in my life when I was abandoned by my >parents. But >> that's another story for another time.... >> At least I didn't have to spend thousands of $s seeing a shrink for >10 yrs. >> to finally see this about myself. Self analysis....hmmmm.....maybe >I AM a >> bottom feeder after all! ;-) >> sluggy >> >> >> >> >> See what's new at Telepathic Frog Designs: >> >> http://www.telepathicfrog.com >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hi Kurt, My way is the only way for me. Others can do whatever they like. I worked in the private sector for 15+ years. I worked in local govt for 6. I can tell you right now that change from within is a myth in most cases designed to fool people into continuing to work for the corporations. Now I work for myself and volunteer where I see fit. For me, this is the right choice.Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Thanks Cyndi & Celia I appreciate the effort LOL.Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Kurt wrote: >> Their very first product, LOC (Liquid Organic Cleaner) is a very environmentally friendly product. And they've manufactured it since 1959, way back before environmental issues were cool for the masses. Kurt, thanks for the info about Quixtar's eco-friendly products. That is good to know, and I hope they continue to move in that direction! >> It's a quirk of humanity how we'll experience something from a person and associate their behavior upon a whole population set. Most people can discern that being treated bad by one realtor, car sales person, docotr, etc. shouldn't be transferred over to another realtor, car sales person or doctor that they meet later in life, yet it does happen. Actually, Kurt...I am guilty of quite the opposite. I've met and worked with hundreds of Quixtar people over the years (as I said, from its inception), and I've projected my experience from a large group of people onto one person--you. Either way, it's not PC I realize, but from a business perspective, it *is* logical. In Sales 101, we are taught to quickly assess a person's personality type so we know how to approach them, and this helps one to more quickly narrow down their needs and how to help them--or how NOT to if it's a waste of your time. By doing this (painting with a broad brush) and not wasting time on prospects that are likely to drag down our client base, my company has saved literally thousands of dollars in lost revenue. Thus "lumping" people into groups may not be PC, but it *does* increases productivity and is good for business. <takes off business hat, puts on human hat> That said, I am sorry for lumping you with all the others, but when you sent a link to the entire list instead of just explaining what you do, it appeared to be a thinly-veiled attempt to recruit. If I was wrong, I am sorry. >> BTW, I'm not "recruiting people". I'm endorsing my store as a place to shop because that's my livelihood. And I do keep my eyes and ears open for potential customers and/or business partners, but I don't actively "recruit". There is a difference. Ahhh....and therein lies the difference between you and I! I too am in sales for a living and provide a service that can help people anywhere in the continental US. Could I benefit from the additional sales I might garner from this list? Sure...it's my livelihood. But most folks on this list have no idea what I do because I believe business is business and personal is personal, and I try not to blur the lines. When one *appears* to start promoting on a personal list, my business antennae goes up and the ol' business hat gets put on. I'm not criticizing your methods...they are just very different than mine and by way of explanation--I am not comfortable with them. Again, NOT criticizing...just explaining. >> All that said, and there's more that could be but I won't here, please don't judge me with a broad brush stroke based on others you may have met. I promise to do the same with you, ok? Deal! Let's shake on it! <smiles> Regards, Celia _._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hola Ellen- I am with you there!! LuisEllen Christian <scentednights2002 wrote: Hi Kurt, My way is the only way for me. Others can do whatever they like. I worked in the private sector for 15+ years. I worked in local govt for 6. I can tell you right now that change from within is a myth in most cases designed to fool people into continuing to work for the corporations. Now I work for myself and volunteer where I see fit. For me, this is the right choice. Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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