Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 The irony of all this is that we are discovering that the margarine and other substitutes we started using decades ago to replace the 'bad' saturated fats in butter was actually the pre-cursor to modern-day heart disease! Did you know that prior to the 1940's when so-called 'life-saving' margarine was introduced to the American diet, when our diets included MORE calories and MORE animal fats than today, cardio-vascular disease was very low. The difference was that the animal products we consumed then were local farm fresh and not factory farmed. After the introduction of oleo to replace butter and modern farming methods, heart disease went through the roof and hasn't slowed down since. I remember reading in one of the books from the "All Creatures Great and Small" series by James Herriott an interesting side comment he made about the modern diet. It was something like this: He found it interesting that modern science suddenly proclaimed the typical farm diet (butter, cream and animal products) to be bad for us when it was clear to him that farmers had thrived on it for centuries with no ill effect. Another thought that occurred to me long ago is the stupidity of the witch hunt against coconut creams, oils and fats. Coconut oil was proclaimed to be HORRIBLE for us one day, it was removed from many manufactured products like Cap'n Crunch (no big loss as that's garbage cereal anyway!), yet many Asian, Pan-Asian and Caribbean folks have thrived on it for centuries. Gee...I wonder why native Thai people were thinner and healthier than their American counterparts when they use this "horrible" stuff in their diet every day??? <wiggles eyebrows> Cardio-vascular disease is almost unheard of in the native population until they adopt a "Western" diet. I find it interesting that modern science is just now coming around to saying, "Hey, there might be something here. Let's take another look at this stuff..." Preliminary studies are showing that normal, healthy people are not only NOT harmed by this "horrible" stuff, but it may even be beneficial to our health. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Now I will say this though, Russ...my ex-husband (also named Russ) has heart disease like you do and is also under doctor's care. He was a young, in-shape, healthy looking 40 year-old when he had his first heart attack! Even though I believe saturated fat from healthy sources is good for you, I agree with Cyndi that you can't and shouldn't make any radical changes to your diet. Baby steps, baby steps, baby steps... Regards, Celia - cyndikrall RealSimple Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:08 PM {Spam?} (7) [RealSimple] Butter Russ, saturated fat is GOOD for you. I know that goes against everything you've heard for the last couple decades, but it is true. Saturated fats are victims of the MOST food misconceptions out there. Pastuerization takes out most of the good nutritional value in butter and milk. But fat is crucial in the absorption of many vitamins. If you recall our conversations on grass fed cows, this produces a highly superior fat. Eaten in its RAW form, it is very healthy. Fats strengthen, protect and cleanse all body systems. I have a couple of resources for you to read, since it would take hours for me to type it all: http://www.nourished.com.au/articles/butter-is-better Some good articles from the Weston A. Price site: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html I personally don't promote a complete raw diet for humans, but i found this article interesting: http://www.buildfreedom.com/dietanc.htm Hope this helps. Please comment once you've read the articles. There are also a couple good books I know of, by Sally Fallon, Eat Fat Lose Fat, and Nourishing Traditions. Mine are out on loan, or I could quote some interesting facts. Also, I am HIGHLY anemic, and any time I cut back on eating fats, because of nausea, I can instantly see the adverse effects in my skin and energy. Having said all that, if you are under a doctors care because of cholesterol, I wouldn't make any radical changes in your diet. Small, moderate amounts as an experiment might be in order. Cyndi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Got it...I understand. Actually, my concern with the margarine is not the fat calories...it's that margarine causes silent cardio-vascular disease in children as well as adults. I used to be a cardio-vascular technician years ago, and I remember so vividly seeing autopsy results on American children vs. Asian counter-parts, and it was STAGGERING. The hearts of thin, healthy looking, American 17 year olds and their cardio-vascular systems were compared to Japanese, Vietnamese and Thai people on their traditional diet--all children having died of accidents, not illness. The Asian victims had healthy, clean arteries and strong pumping hearts. The American children, on the other hand, had early hardening of the arteries and "fatty" hearts that were comparable with 50 or 60 year old people! While this was not an official study with published conclusions by a university or anything like that, my professor in college participated in this experiment and strongly believed it to be a result of our inferior diet, especially lack of fiber and margarine and artificial fats. Now you may be thinking this occurred recently after super-sizing and Fast Food Nation. Nope. It was during the Vietnam War, when we were ALL healthier and thinner. Just food for thought, Ellen. If they have to have margarine, so be it. It appears that they have an otherwise healthy, fiber-filled diet, so perhaps no ill-effect will come from it. Just make sure it's not the stuff with artificial trans-fat. Your children are too precious to compromise! Warm Regards, Celia - Ellen Christian RealSimple Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:20 PM Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [RealSimple] Butter Hi Celia, Both kids have ADHD and are on gluten free and casein free diets to help control this without putting them on medication. Casein is dairy. Fleischman's unsalted margarine does not contain dairy and there are a few other brands as well. To be honest, I don't worry about fats with the kids. They are skinny little things. Sarah is 13 and wears a size 1. David is 9 and wears a 10/12slim. If anything, I need them to eat more Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Thanks Celia. I will have to check on the trans fat. They really don't eat much of it at all. I use it in mashed potatoes or try fry eggs but that is about all.Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Well, if it's consumed in limited quantities, that certainly helps. It's all dose related! --Celia-- - Ellen Christian RealSimple Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:34 PM Re: [RealSimple] Butter Thanks Celia. I will have to check on the trans fat. They really don't eat much of it at all. I use it in mashed potatoes or try fry eggs but that is about all. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Coconut oil is making it's comeback! It's the newest "fad." If you do an Amazon search, there's a plethora of new books devoted to it. Cyndi In a message dated 12/31/2006 12:04:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cbrowne writes: The irony of all this is that we are discovering that the margarine and other substitutes we started using decades ago to replace the 'bad' saturated fats in butter was actually the pre-cursor to modern-day heart disease! Did you know that prior to the 1940's when so-called 'life-saving' margarine was introduced to the American diet, when our diets included MORE calories and MORE animal fats than today, cardio-vascular disease was very low. The difference was that the animal products we consumed then were local farm fresh and not factory farmed. After the introduction of oleo to replace butter and modern farming methods, heart disease went through the roof and hasn't slowed down since. I remember reading in one of the books from the "All Creatures Great and Small" series by James Herriott an interesting side comment he made about the modern diet. It was something like this: He found it interesting that modern science suddenly proclaimed the typical farm diet (butter, cream and animal products) to be bad for us when it was clear to him that farmers had thrived on it for centuries with no ill effect. Another thought that occurred to me long ago is the stupidity of the witch hunt against coconut creams, oils and fats. Coconut oil was proclaimed to be HORRIBLE for us one day, it was removed from many manufactured products like Cap'n Crunch (no big loss as that's garbage cereal anyway!), yet many Asian, Pan-Asian and Caribbean folks have thrived on it for centuries. Gee...I wonder why native Thai people were thinner and healthier than their American counterparts when they use this "horrible" stuff in their diet every day??? <wiggles eyebrows> Cardio-vascular disease is almost unheard of in the native population until they adopt a "Western" diet. I find it interesting that modern science is just now coming around to saying, "Hey, there might be something here. Let's take another look at this stuff..." Preliminary studies are showing that normal, healthy people are not only NOT harmed by this "horrible" stuff, but it may even be beneficial to our health. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Now I will say this though, Russ...my ex-husband (also named Russ) has heart disease like you do and is also under doctor's care. He was a young, in-shape, healthy looking 40 year-old when he had his first heart attack! Even though I believe saturated fat from healthy sources is good for you, I agree with Cyndi that you can't and shouldn't make any radical changes to your diet. Baby steps, baby steps, baby steps... Regards, Celia - cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com RealSimple Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:08 PM {Spam?} (7) [RealSimple] Butter Russ, saturated fat is GOOD for you. I know that goes against everything you've heard for the last couple decades, but it is true. Saturated fats are victims of the MOST food misconceptions out there. Pastuerization takes out most of the good nutritional value in butter and milk. But fat is crucial in the absorption of many vitamins. If you recall our conversations on grass fed cows, this produces a highly superior fat. Eaten in its RAW form, it is very healthy. Fats strengthen, protect and cleanse all body systems. I have a couple of resources for you to read, since it would take hours for me to type it all: http://www.nourished.com.au/articles/butter-is-better Some good articles from the Weston A. Price site: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html I personally don't promote a complete raw diet for humans, but i found this article interesting: http://www.buildfreedom.com/dietanc.htm Hope this helps. Please comment once you've read the articles. There are also a couple good books I know of, by Sally Fallon, Eat Fat Lose Fat, and Nourishing Traditions. Mine are out on loan, or I could quote some interesting facts. Also, I am HIGHLY anemic, and any time I cut back on eating fats, because of nausea, I can instantly see the adverse effects in my skin and energy. Having said all that, if you are under a doctors care because of cholesterol, I wouldn't make any radical changes in your diet. Small, moderate amounts as an experiment might be in order. Cyndi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 I think that is another common misconception about Asian diet. Each ethnic group has it's own physiological uniqueness that makes us more or less prone to certain health problems, diet not withstanding. And they say French people, who consume a LOT of butter, cream, animal fat and wine are still healthier than we are. A Mediterranean diet is similar to ours, with the exception of a lot of olive oil, and again, heart disease is a lot lower. I still believe it goes back to food QUALITY. Cyndi In a message dated 1/1/2007 7:36:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, chammer writes: Hmmm, I thought the reason that Asians were healthier was that their diet consists of mostly vegetables and rice, VERY LITTLEMEAT of any kind. So in comparing an American diet to that of Asians, even in the 60s and 70s, this is a comparison of a very high fat diet with one very low in meat and animal products. This would seem to bolster the argument for not eating butter, eggs, whole milk, etc, not reasons to eat it..Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 What is not taken into account here is that prior to the 1940s, people actually WORKED for a living. Farmers and laborers even today in these types of jobs can eat whatever they want, the daily heavy exercise negates the issues with fats. So I'm not really sold on the 'animal products are good' thing, doesn't make sense to me. I would agree that animal and farm products from those old days were much better than what is on the market now because of hormones, pesticides, etc being so heavily used to get stuff to market faster (= $). But this equates to major increases in cancers, not heart disease, in my opinion. Russ cyndikrall wrote: Coconut oil is making it's comeback! It's the newest "fad." If you do an Amazon search, there's a plethora of new books devoted to it. Cyndi In a message dated 12/31/2006 12:04:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cbrowne (AT) callasi (DOT) com writes: The irony of all this is that we are discovering that the margarine and other substitutes we started using decades ago to replace the 'bad' saturated fats in butter was actually the pre-cursor to modern-day heart disease! Did you know that prior to the 1940's when so-called 'life-saving' margarine was introduced to the American diet, when our diets included MORE calories and MORE animal fats than today, cardio-vascular disease was very low. The difference was that the animal products we consumed then were local farm fresh and not factory farmed. After the introduction of oleo to replace butter and modern farming methods, heart disease went through the roof and hasn't slowed down since. I remember reading in one of the books from the "All Creatures Great and Small" series by James Herriott an interesting side comment he made about the modern diet. It was something like this: He found it interesting that modern science suddenly proclaimed the typical farm diet (butter, cream and animal products) to be bad for us when it was clear to him that farmers had thrived on it for centuries with no ill effect. Another thought that occurred to me long ago is the stupidity of the witch hunt against coconut creams, oils and fats. Coconut oil was proclaimed to be HORRIBLE for us one day, it was removed from many manufactured products like Cap'n Crunch (no big loss as that's garbage cereal anyway!), yet many Asian, Pan-Asian and Caribbean folks have thrived on it for centuries. Gee...I wonder why native Thai people were thinner and healthier than their American counterparts when they use this "horrible" stuff in their diet every day??? <wiggles eyebrows> Cardio-vascular disease is almost unheard of in the native population until they adopt a "Western" diet. I find it interesting that modern science is just now coming around to saying, "Hey, there might be something here. Let's take another look at this stuff..." Preliminary studies are showing that normal, healthy people are not only NOT harmed by this "horrible" stuff, but it may even be beneficial to our health. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Now I will say this though, Russ...my ex-husband (also named Russ) has heart disease like you do and is also under doctor's care. He was a young, in-shape, healthy looking 40 year-old when he had his first heart attack! Even though I believe saturated fat from healthy sources is good for you, I agree with Cyndi that you can't and shouldn't make any radical changes to your diet. Baby steps, baby steps, baby steps... Regards, Celia - cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com RealSimple Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:08 PM {Spam?} (7) [RealSimple] Butter Russ, saturated fat is GOOD for you. I know that goes against everything you've heard for the last couple decades, but it is true. Saturated fats are victims of the MOST food misconceptions out there. Pastuerization takes out most of the good nutritional value in butter and milk. But fat is crucial in the absorption of many vitamins. If you recall our conversations on grass fed cows, this produces a highly superior fat. Eaten in its RAW form, it is very healthy. Fats strengthen, protect and cleanse all body systems. I have a couple of resources for you to read, since it would take hours for me to type it all: http://www.nourished.com.au/articles/butter-is-better Some good articles from the Weston A. Price site: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html I personally don't promote a complete raw diet for humans, but i found this article interesting: http://www.buildfreedom.com/dietanc.htm Hope this helps. Please comment once you've read the articles. There are also a couple good books I know of, by Sally Fallon, Eat Fat Lose Fat, and Nourishing Traditions. Mine are out on loan, or I could quote some interesting facts. Also, I am HIGHLY anemic, and any time I cut back on eating fats, because of nausea, I can instantly see the adverse effects in my skin and energy. Having said all that, if you are under a doctors care because of cholesterol, I wouldn't make any radical changes in your diet. Small, moderate amounts as an experiment might be in order. Cyndi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Hmmm, I thought the reason that Asians were healthier was that their diet consists of mostly vegetables and rice, VERY LITTLE MEAT of any kind. So in comparing an American diet to that of Asians, even in the 60s and 70s, this is a comparison of a very high fat diet with one very low in meat and animal products. This would seem to bolster the argument for not eating butter, eggs, whole milk, etc, not reasons to eat it.. Russ Celia Browne wrote: Got it...I understand. Actually, my concern with the margarine is not the fat calories...it' s that margarine causes silent cardio-vascular disease in children as well as adults. I used to be a cardio-vascular technician years ago, and I remember so vividly seeing autopsy results on American children vs. Asian counter-parts, and it was STAGGERING. The hearts of thin, healthy looking, American 17 year olds and their cardio-vascular systems were compared to Japanese, Vietnamese and Thai people on their traditional diet--all children having died of accidents, not illness. The Asian victims had healthy, clean arteries and strong pumping hearts. The American children, on the other hand, had early hardening of the arteries and "fatty" hearts that were comparable with 50 or 60 year old people! While this was not an official study with published conclusions by a university or anything like that, my professor in college participated in this experiment and strongly believed it to be a result of our inferior diet, especially lack of fiber and margarine and artificial fats. Now you may be thinking this occurred recently after super-sizing and Fast Food Nation. Nope. It was during the Vietnam War, when we were ALL healthier and thinner. Just food for thought, Ellen. If they have to have margarine, so be it. It appears that they have an otherwise healthy, fiber-filled diet, so perhaps no ill-effect will come from it. Just make sure it's not the stuff with artificial trans-fat. Your children are too precious to compromise! Warm Regards, Celia - Ellen Christian RealSimple@gro ups.com Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:20 PM Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [RealSimple] Butter Hi Celia, Both kids have ADHD and are on gluten free and casein free diets to help control this without putting them on medication. Casein is dairy. Fleischman's unsalted margarine does not contain dairy and there are a few other brands as well. To be honest, I don't worry about fats with the kids. They are skinny little things. Sarah is 13 and wears a size 1. David is 9 and wears a 10/12slim. If anything, I need them to eat more Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl. com/lpfaf ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Celia, I should clear up a misconception here, I don't have heart disease. But I'm trying to keep from getting it for sure!! I do have a very mild mitral valve issue that a cardiologist is following every year, but so far it's stable and no problem. I also have a mild cholesterol issue, if I don't take a med and eat all the bacon and eggs, etc I want, I can run the number up to almost 300. With Welchol it's from 185 to 205, depending on how I watch my fat intake. I DO need to increase my activity/exercise, that'd help a lot with all the numbers -- HDL, LDL, etc -- and I could hopefully lose about 20 lbs. So my interest in what I eat is driven by needing to keep my weight down and trying to keep from getting heart disease. I do include olive oil, dark meat fish and other omega-rich sources in my diet, and I take fish-oil supplements every day. I look for mono and polyunsaturated fats, and try to hold saturated fats down as much as I can. I keep beef and pork to a minimum, and eat mostly chicken and some fish. I buy tuna in olive oil now, rather than in water, tastes better too. I was glad to see mayo made with canola oil. Where am I going wrong here?? Russ Celia Browne wrote: The irony of all this is that we are discovering that the margarine and other substitutes we started using decades ago to replace the 'bad' saturated fats in butter was actually the pre-cursor to modern-day heart disease! Did you know that prior to the 1940's when so-called 'life-saving' margarine was introduced to the American diet, when our diets included MORE calories and MORE animal fats than today, cardio-vascular disease was very low. The difference was that the animal products we consumed then were local farm fresh and not factory farmed. After the introduction of oleo to replace butter and modern farming methods, heart disease went through the roof and hasn't slowed down since. I remember reading in one of the books from the "All Creatures Great and Small" series by James Herriott an interesting side comment he made about the modern diet. It was something like this: He found it interesting that modern science suddenly proclaimed the typical farm diet (butter, cream and animal products) to be bad for us when it was clear to him that farmers had thrived on it for centuries with no ill effect. Another thought that occurred to me long ago is the stupidity of the witch hunt against coconut creams, oils and fats. Coconut oil was proclaimed to be HORRIBLE for us one day, it was removed from many manufactured products like Cap'n Crunch (no big loss as that's garbage cereal anyway!), yet many Asian, Pan-Asian and Caribbean folks have thrived on it for centuries. Gee...I wonder why native Thai people were thinner and healthier than their American counterparts when they use this "horrible" stuff in their diet every day??? <wiggles eyebrows> Cardio-vascular disease is almost unheard of in the native population until they adopt a "Western" diet. I find it interesting that modern science is just now coming around to saying, "Hey, there might be something here. Let's take another look at this stuff..." Preliminary studies are showing that normal, healthy people are not only NOT harmed by this "horrible" stuff, but it may even be beneficial to our health. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. ........ Now I will say this though, Russ...my ex-husband (also named Russ) has heart disease like you do and is also under doctor's care. He was a young, in-shape, healthy looking 40 year-old when he had his first heart attack! Even though I believe saturated fat from healthy sources is good for you, I agree with Cyndi that you can't and shouldn't make any radical changes to your diet. Baby steps, baby steps, baby steps... Regards, Celia - cyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com RealSimple@gro ups.com Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:08 PM {Spam?} (7) [RealSimple] Butter Russ, saturated fat is GOOD for you. I know that goes against everything you've heard for the last couple decades, but it is true. Saturated fats are victims of the MOST food misconceptions out there. Pastuerization takes out most of the good nutritional value in butter and milk. But fat is crucial in the absorption of many vitamins. If you recall our conversations on grass fed cows, this produces a highly superior fat. Eaten in its RAW form, it is very healthy. Fats strengthen, protect and cleanse all body systems. I have a couple of resources for you to read, since it would take hours for me to type it all: http://www.nourishe d.com.au/ articles/ butter-is- better Some good articles from the Weston A. Price site: http://www.westonap rice.org/ knowyourfats/ index.html I personally don't promote a complete raw diet for humans, but i found this article interesting: http://www.buildfre edom.com/ dietanc.htm Hope this helps. Please comment once you've read the articles. There are also a couple good books I know of, by Sally Fallon, Eat Fat Lose Fat, and Nourishing Traditions. Mine are out on loan, or I could quote some interesting facts. Also, I am HIGHLY anemic, and any time I cut back on eating fats, because of nausea, I can instantly see the adverse effects in my skin and energy. Having said all that, if you are under a doctors care because of cholesterol, I wouldn't make any radical changes in your diet. Small, moderate amounts as an experiment might be in order. Cyndi .. 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Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 I certainly wouldn't say that Atkins, and other diets that consist solely of animal products are wise, or safe. And ANY diet, without proper physical activity, is doomed to failure. Maybe I'm not expressing myself well, lol. I have a hard time these days, chemo-brain, my doctor calls it. Celia is saying it much better than I am. I totally believe that the changes in our farming techniques over the past 50 years has contributed to the onslaught of heart disease, cancer, etc. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that SUGAR is the number one cause of most of our modern medical problems. White sugar, white bread, simple carbohydrates, anything that the body accepts as sugar, will stick to our arteries as plaque. Saturated fats are bad only because the QUALITY of the beef and dairy products we consume today have been compromised. Grass fed beef produces a clearly documented superior type of fat. Pasteurization has removed the beneficial enzymes from our dairy products. When our milk supply was unpasteurized, diseases like allergies and heart disease were much rarer. When Eskimos didn't eat a western diet, they had no heart disease. Pasteurization destroys enzymes,diminishes vitamin content, denatures fragile milk proteins, destroys vitamins C, B12 and B6, kills beneficial bacteria, promotes pathogens and is associated with allergies, increased tooth decay, colic in infants, growth problems in children, osteoporosis, arthritis, heart disease and cancer. Calves fed pasteurized milk do poorly and many die before maturity. I know that fat is thought to be linked to certain cancers. But is it the fat? Or is it the low quality meat fat, the hormones, the antibiotics, animal care, the slaughtering techniques? Do we consume too much protein, or just low quality protein? Grass fed beef is naturally lower in fat. Grass fed beef can have the same amount of fat as a skinless chicken breast. Meat from grass fed animals has 2-4 times more Omega 3 fatty acids. More Omega 3 in the diet means you are much less likely to have high blood pressure, are less likely to suffer from depression, schizophrenia, attention deficit disorder (hyperactivity), or Alzheimer's disease, and may reduce the risk of cancer. It's not just the hormones and additives that make our meat supply so compromised, it's what they are fed that counts too. I copied a lot of this info from here: http://www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits.htm There's a lot of good info on this site. Sorry to ramble on so much, Russ, lol, but I do believe REAL food can help rid of us of MANY modern health problems. Whole grains, lots of organic veggies and quality meat and dairy products, those are REAL foods......and NO sugar, lol. That means you have to start eating 3 good meals a day. Even just eating oatmeal at breakfast has been linked to lowering cholesterol. We need variety, and quality, and a lot of it. Cyndi In a message dated 1/1/2007 10:46:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, chammer writes: What is not taken into account here is that prior to the 1940s, people actually WORKED for a living. Farmers and laborers even today in these types of jobs can eat whatever they want, the daily heavy exercise negates the issues with fats. So I'm not really sold on the 'animal products are good' thing, doesn't make sense to me. I wouldagree that animal and farm products from those old days were much better than what is on the market now because of hormones, pesticides, etc being so heavily used to get stuff to market faster (= $). But this equates to major increases in cancers, not heart disease, in my opinion. Russcyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Coconut oil is making it's comeback! It's the newest "fad." If you do an Amazon search, there's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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