Irradiated Meat

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http://www.anarac.com/is_irradiation_safe.htm

 

Here is an interesting article from the other side...I still feel fresh is best...:-)

 

As for E. coli, we can start THAT controversy another day, lol. Yes, I believe our farming techniques are responsible for all the problems we have with food-borne illnesses. (A shocker, I know.) Well, I never said I wasn't opinionated, lol. ;-) Cyndi

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/28/2006 4:28:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, kschutt6 writes:

 

 

 

 

I don't really understand the concern about cloned meat. I can understand a moral resistance to it (Only God has the right to creation, etc.) but I can see no health reasons to worry about it. It's like concern over radiated food products. All the radiation does is kill bacteria. If we had mass production of radiated foods, we could cut down on refrigeration (saving electricity) and we wouldn't have had the recent ecoli events. I'm a lot more concerned with the sodium and preservatives in our foods.

 

 

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In a message dated 12/29/2006 7:44:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kschutt6 writes:

 

Interesting articles, Cyndi. I agree that fresh is best, but living in an urban area with only wooden planters to grow veggies does not allow for a large quantity of fresh fruit and veggies. Some sort of preservation is needed. I don't want any more chemicals in my body, refrigeration uses electricity (more air pollution by the power plants - less money in my checking account), so I tend to lean toward radiation. I guess more research needs to be done before we go totally in that direction.

Ken

 

Ken;

 

Do you live here in the Sacramento/Placer area? I was thinking that you came to us thru my PlacerCountyRecyclers Group. If you are local, you might find this useful. I've copied a list of places you can go to buy fresh organic produce and meat. I got it from the local Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter. If you are not local, go here (link below) and you can search for some local resources. This is how I found a food co-op in Sacramento. Might make your life easier. I don't have room to grow too much either, so I rely on places like these for high quality foods. I hope this helps! :-)

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/locallist.html#ca

Cyndi

 

 

Raw Milk (Cow)

- Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (Sacramento & Elk Grove)

- Whole Foods

- Elliott's Natural Foods (Citrus Heights)

- Davis Co-op

- Noah's Ark (Placerville) 530-621-3663 - Briarpatch (Grass Valley) http://www.briarpatchcoop.com/

- Auburn Nutrition (Auburn) 530-885-5095

Raw Cheese / Butter

- Whole Foods

- Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Davis Co-op

- (Cheese only) Trader Joes

- Naturalcheese.net (based in OH, they ship)

Organic Produce

- Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Davis Co-op

- Davis Farmer's Market, Wed Eve and Saturday mornings

- (Limited amount) Sunrise Farmers Market on Saturday mornings

- (Limited amount) Downtown Farmers Market on Sunday mornings

- (Davis Only)Weekly Basket Delivery from Eatwell Farm www.eatwell.com

- (Placer County) www.placergrown.org

Fermented Vegetables

- (Bubbies brand pickles and sourkraut, fermented and cured with all the natural enzymes intact) Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op. Olive Oil

- (Bariani) Sunrise Farmers Market, Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op, Corti Brothers, Downtown Farmer's Market

Grass-Fed Beef

- Prather Ranch - Organic, Sustainable, Pasture-Raised www.prmeatco.com or www.pratherranch.com

- Chileno Beef (Petaluma) www.chilenobeef.com

- Morris Grassfed Beef www.morrisgrassfed.com

- Whole Foods

- Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op

- Trader Joes - Davis Co-op

- (Frozen) Downtown Farmer's Market on Sunday mornings under the freeway, between 6th and 8th, W and X Streets). Quality Eggs

- Whole Foods

- Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op

- Trader Joes - Davis Co-op

- Farm: 3194 Humphrey Rd, Loomis (916)652-6474

Cod-Liver Oil

- Premier Research, various sources, Radiant Life recommended www.radiantlifecatalog.com

- Green Pastures www.greenpasture.org

- Nordic Naturals (purity OK, levels of A & D are lower than recommended by WAPF)various sources, Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op

Salt

-(Celtic Sea Salt) Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op Chicken Feet for stocks

- Whole Foods (place order with the meat department, delivery in approximately 1 week)

- Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (check with meat department)

- Also check local Asian grocery stores

Organ Meats

- Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (check with meat department, not always on display)

Pickling Lime

-(Mrs. Wages Pickling Lime) Odessa European Market, 7307 Fair Oaks Blvd, Carmichael

- (Mrs. Wages Pickling Lime) Order directly: www.mrswages.com 1-800-647-8170

Fish Eggs / Roe

- (cod roe, salmon roe) Japanese market - San Francisco, SE corner of Webster and Sutter in Japantown. - Need Sacramento Source!

 

 

 

 

 

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cyndikrall wrote: http://www.anarac.com/is_irradiation_safe.htm Here is an interesting article from the other side...I still feel fresh is best...:-) As for E. coli, we can start THAT controversy another day, lol. Yes, I

believe our farming techniques are responsible for all the problems we have with food-borne illnesses. (A shocker, I know.) Well, I never said I wasn't opinionated, lol. ;-) Cyndi In a message dated 12/28/2006 4:28:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, kschutt6 writes: I don't really understand the concern about cloned meat. I can understand a moral resistance to it (Only God has the right to creation, etc.) but I can see no health reasons to worry about it. It's like concern over radiated food products. All the radiation does is kill bacteria. If we had mass production of radiated foods, we could cut down on refrigeration

(saving electricity) and we wouldn't have had the recent ecoli events. I'm a lot more concerned with the sodium and preservatives in our foods. Interesting articles, Cyndi. I agree that fresh is best, but living in an

urban area with only wooden planters to grow veggies does not allow for a large quantity of fresh fruit and veggies. Some sort of preservation is needed. I don't want any more chemicals in my body, refrigeration uses electricity (more air pollution by the power plants - less money in my checking account), so I tend to lean toward radiation. I guess more research needs to be done before we go totally in that direction. Ken

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Ken:

 

I too live in an urban area but don't find it difficult to grow my own fruits and vegetables in the summer and buy them from Whole Foods (or other organic vendors) in the winter. It's just a matter of lifestyle choice, and it's not for everybody. I love to garden and I don't personally trust irradiation at all, so it's a natural for me. <shrugs shoulders> Putting the radioactive element aside and assuming that the government knows what they are talking about (these are the same people that claimed in the 50's the DDT and other pesticides were so safe to use around humans that they made an infomercial showing them spraying it at a beach with little kids frolicking in the poisonous mist!!!), it's long been known that irradiation depletes and reduces vitamins, minerals and other essential nutrients in our food. Much like taking an anti-biotics kills healthy bacteria in your intestinal tract as well as the bad stuff, irradiation is a double edged sword. If I were starving and absolutely could not get fresh meat, fruits and vegetables...would I refuse it? Of course not! I want to live, after all, and the food is edible. (It's simply not 'optimal.') That said, I DO have choices and it's not a matter of convenience for me. Consuming irradiated and GMO foods are about on the level of trading a juicy, fresh orange for a Twinkie and a vitamin, and expecting to get the same nourishment. I can survive on one but I would thrive on the other.

 

Below is a link to a site that shows the pros and cons of irradiation, and I think they do a fair and balanced job of it:

 

http://www.mcvitamins.com/irradiated_foods.htm

 

None of us will ever totally agree on a subject like this, but the majority of us that want a more simple life and return to simple foods will try to eat as fresh and natural as possible. I think we can all agree that safe or not, irradiation is neither fresh nor natural.

 

Respectfully Yours,

 

Celia

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ken wrote:

>> Interesting articles, Cyndi. I agree that fresh is best, but living in an urban area with only wooden planters to grow veggies does not allow for a large quantity of fresh fruit and veggies. Some sort of preservation is needed. I don't want any more chemicals in my body, refrigeration uses electricity (more air pollution by the power plants - less money in my checking account), so I tend to lean toward radiation. I guess more research needs to be done before we go totally in that direction.

Ken

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Yes, Cyndi, I'm in Carmichael. Thanks for the list. Kencyndikrall wrote: In a message dated 12/29/2006 7:44:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kschutt6 writes: Interesting articles, Cyndi. I agree that fresh is best, but living in an urban area with only wooden

planters to grow veggies does not allow for a large quantity of fresh fruit and veggies. Some sort of preservation is needed. I don't want any more chemicals in my body, refrigeration uses electricity (more air pollution by the power plants - less money in my checking account), so I tend to lean toward radiation. I guess more research needs to be done before we go totally in that direction. Ken Ken; Do you live here in the Sacramento/Placer area? I was thinking that you came to us thru my PlacerCountyRecyclers Group. If you are local, you might find this useful. I've copied a list of places you can go to buy fresh organic produce and meat. I got it from the local Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter. If you are not local, go here (link below) and you can search for some local resources. This is

how I found a food co-op in Sacramento. Might make your life easier. I don't have room to grow too much either, so I rely on places like these for high quality foods. I hope this helps! :-) http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/locallist.html#ca Cyndi Raw Milk (Cow) - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (Sacramento & Elk Grove) - Whole Foods - Elliott's Natural Foods (Citrus Heights) - Davis Co-op - Noah's Ark (Placerville) 530-621-3663 - Briarpatch (Grass Valley) http://www.briarpatchcoop.com/ - Auburn Nutrition (Auburn) 530-885-5095 Raw Cheese / Butter - Whole Foods - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Davis Co-op - (Cheese only) Trader Joes - Naturalcheese.net

(based in OH, they ship) Organic Produce - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Davis Co-op - Davis Farmer's Market, Wed Eve and Saturday mornings - (Limited amount) Sunrise Farmers Market on Saturday mornings - (Limited amount) Downtown Farmers Market on Sunday mornings - (Davis Only)Weekly Basket Delivery from Eatwell Farm www.eatwell.com - (Placer County) www.placergrown.org Fermented Vegetables - (Bubbies brand pickles and sourkraut, fermented and cured with all the natural enzymes intact) Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op. Olive Oil - (Bariani) Sunrise Farmers Market, Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op, Corti Brothers, Downtown Farmer's Market Grass-Fed Beef - Prather Ranch - Organic, Sustainable, Pasture-Raised www.prmeatco.com or www.pratherranch.com - Chileno Beef (Petaluma) www.chilenobeef.com - Morris Grassfed Beef www.morrisgrassfed.com - Whole Foods - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Trader Joes -

Davis Co-op - (Frozen) Downtown Farmer's Market on Sunday mornings under the freeway, between 6th and 8th, W and X Streets). Quality Eggs - Whole Foods - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Trader Joes - Davis Co-op - Farm: 3194 Humphrey Rd, Loomis (916)652-6474 Cod-Liver Oil - Premier Research, various sources, Radiant Life recommended www.radiantlifecatalog.com - Green Pastures www.greenpasture.org - Nordic Naturals (purity OK, levels of A & D are lower than recommended by WAPF)various sources, Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op Salt -(Celtic Sea Salt) Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op Chicken Feet for stocks - Whole Foods (place order with the meat department, delivery in approximately 1 week) - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (check with meat department) - Also check local Asian grocery stores Organ Meats - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (check with meat department, not always on display) Pickling Lime -(Mrs. Wages Pickling

Lime) Odessa European Market, 7307 Fair Oaks Blvd, Carmichael - (Mrs. Wages Pickling Lime) Order directly: www.mrswages.com 1-800-647-8170 Fish Eggs / Roe - (cod roe, salmon roe) Japanese market - San Francisco, SE corner of Webster and Sutter in Japantown. - Need Sacramento Source!

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Great! Glad you are so close! :-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/29/2006 10:59:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kschutt6 writes:

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, Cyndi, I'm in Carmichael. Thanks for the list.

Kencyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/29/2006 7:44:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kschutt6 writes:

 

Interesting articles, Cyndi. I agree that fresh is best, but living in an urban area with only wooden planters to grow veggies does not allow for a large quantity of fresh fruit and veggies. Some sort of preservation is needed. I don't want any more chemicals in my body, refrigeration uses electricity (more air pollution by the power plants - less money in my checking account), so I tend to lean toward radiation. I guess more research needs to be done before we go totally in that direction.

Ken

 

Ken;

 

Do you live here in the Sacramento/Placer area? I was thinking that you came to us thru my PlacerCountyRecyclers Group. If you are local, you might find this useful. I've copied a list of places you can go to buy fresh organic produce and meat. I got it from the local Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter. If you are not local, go here (link below) and you can search for some local resources. This is how I found a food co-op in Sacramento. Might make your life easier. I don't have room to grow too much either, so I rely on places like these for high quality foods. I hope this helps! :-)

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/locallist.html#ca

Cyndi

 

 

Raw Milk (Cow) - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (Sacramento & Elk Grove) - Whole Foods - Elliott's Natural Foods (Citrus Heights) - Davis Co-op - Noah's Ark (Placerville) 530-621-3663 - Briarpatch (Grass Valley) http://www.briarpatchcoop.com/ - Auburn Nutrition (Auburn) 530-885-5095 Raw Cheese / Butter - Whole Foods - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Davis Co-op - (Cheese only) Trader Joes - Naturalcheese.net

(based in OH, they ship) Organic Produce - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Davis Co-op - Davis Farmer's Market, Wed Eve and Saturday mornings - (Limited amount) Sunrise Farmers Market on Saturday mornings - (Limited amount) Downtown Farmers Market on Sunday mornings - (Davis Only)Weekly Basket Delivery from Eatwell Farm www.eatwell.com - (Placer County) www.placergrown.org Fermented Vegetables - (Bubbies brand pickles and sourkraut, fermented and cured with all the natural enzymes intact) Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op. Olive Oil - (Bariani) Sunrise Farmers Market, Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op, Corti Brothers, Downtown Farmer's Market Grass-Fed Beef - Prather Ranch - Organic, Sustainable, Pasture-Raised www.prmeatco.com or www.pratherranch.com - Chileno Beef (Petaluma) www.chilenobeef.com - Morris Grassfed Beef www.morrisgrassfed.com - Whole Foods - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Trader Joes -

Davis Co-op - (Frozen) Downtown Farmer's Market on Sunday mornings under the freeway, between 6th and 8th, W and X Streets). Quality Eggs - Whole Foods - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op - Trader Joes - Davis Co-op - Farm: 3194 Humphrey Rd, Loomis (916)652-6474 Cod-Liver Oil - Premier Research, various sources, Radiant Life recommended www.radiantlifecatalog.com - Green Pastures www.greenpasture.org - Nordic Naturals (purity OK, levels of A & D are lower than recommended by WAPF)various sources, Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op Salt -(Celtic Sea Salt) Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op Chicken Feet for stocks - Whole Foods (place order with the meat department, delivery in approximately 1 week) - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (check with meat department) - Also check local Asian grocery stores Organ Meats - Sacramento Natural Foods Co-op (check with meat department, not always on display) Pickling Lime -(Mrs. Wages Pickling

Lime) Odessa European Market, 7307 Fair Oaks Blvd, Carmichael - (Mrs. Wages Pickling Lime) Order directly: www.mrswages.com 1-800-647-8170 Fish Eggs / Roe - (cod roe, salmon roe) Japanese market - San Francisco, SE corner of Webster and Sutter in Japantown. - Need Sacramento Source!