Cloned Meat???

[Guest guest]

The technology for cloning is far from perfected yet. The success rates are low, but slowly on the rise. Dolly the Sheep (the first cloned animal) developed arthritis at 4, and finally had to be put down because she developed a lung problem. I don't think they understand fully WHY she developed the lung problem in the first place. Many abnormal, unhealthy animals are created thru cloning. The FDA hasn't even fully explored the long term effects of using cloned meat and milk.

 

For me, the problem is the "what ifs?" A clone isn't a perfect copy. A clone is a CLOSE copy. How will that animal react when subjected to the standard treatment of hormones, and antibiotics? Will that animal then have a reaction to that drug, or worse yet, develop a resistance to it that creates a whole new set of illnesses and problems? What if those problems start affecting the people who consume them? The FDA has no answers to these questions. They have no long term studies to consult, they will simply put the product on the market and hope for the best, the same as they did with Aspartame. And we now know of the concerns over using Aspartame. Noone can tell what the composition of "normal" milk or "normal" steak is. How will they know of any differences in clone products?

 

Methods for testing cloned meat and milk safety are insufficient for determining potential health effects associated with unintended compositional changes in the products. The technologies are not sufficient for determining what parameters, such as DNA or the presence of certain amino acids, are relevant for predicting the impact on human health.

 

The FDA would be the LAST people I would trust to put a "safe" product on the market. And I have to say it, this seems to me to be one more step in not viewing animals as animals. We are already so disconnected from our food source, we have no idea what conditions they are raised in, what kinds of treatments they are subjected to, and how they are killed.

 

Also, cloning will favor large corporations, and disfavor small operations. But most importantly, I want to keep my right to CHOOSE if I want a cloned animal (or their offspring) product. Some of you will recognize one of my favorite sayings-KNOW YOUR PRODUCT. If you have no problem with it, that's fine! Maybe you'll be right in the long run. But I sure don't want to be the FDA's guinea pig. If the FDA doesn't force companies to label their products, THEY WON'T. That's why I will keep supporting my local food co-op, and companies that I know do not participate in putting out cloned products.

 

Just MHO, lol. This would be the "REAL food" part of REALSIMPLE. :-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/28/2006 4:28:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, kschutt6 writes:

 

 

 

 

I don't really understand the concern about cloned meat. I can understand a moral resistance to it (Only God has the right to creation, etc.) but I can see no health reasons to worry about it. It's like concern over radiated food products. All the radiation does is kill bacteria. If we had mass production of radiated foods, we could cut down on refrigeration (saving electricity) and we wouldn't have had the recent ecoli events. I'm a lot more concerned with the sodium and preservatives in our foods.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't really understand the concern about cloned meat. I can

understand a moral resistance to it (Only God has the right to

creation, etc.) but I can see no health reasons to worry about it.

It's like concern over radiated food products. All the radiation does

is kill bacteria. If we had mass production of radiated foods, we

could cut down on refrigeration (saving electricity) and we wouldn't

have had the recent ecoli events. I'm a lot more concerned with the

sodium and preservatives in our foods.

[Guest guest]

I'm against eating anything that isn't created naturally. I won't eat artificial preservatives, items that are genetically modified, things with growth hormone etc.Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Do You ?

[Guest guest]

I certainly have moral objections to

cloning, and I'm concerned about long-term

effects that cannot have been identified at this point. Man's

scientific and environmental

past is littered with royal screwups that seemed just fine at the time,

but over time cost people their

health and their lives . I actually have a bad feeling about this in

decades to come.

Russ

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2006 6:49:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cyndikrall writes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The technology for cloning is far from perfected yet. The success rates are low, but slowly on the rise. Dolly the Sheep (the first cloned animal) developed arthritis at 4, and finally had to be put down because she developed a lung problem. I don't think they understand fully WHY she developed the lung problem in the first place. Many abnormal, unhealthy animals are created thru cloning. The FDA hasn't even fully explored the long term effects of using cloned meat and milk.

 

For me, the problem is the "what ifs?" A clone isn't a perfect copy. A clone is a CLOSE copy. How will that animal react when subjected to the standard treatment of hormones, and antibiotics? Will that animal then have a reaction to that drug, or worse yet, develop a resistance to it that creates a whole new set of illnesses and problems? What if those problems start affecting the people who consume them? The FDA has no answers to these questions. They have no long term studies to consult, they will simply put the product on the market and hope for the best, the same as they did with Aspartame. And we now know of the concerns over using Aspartame. Noone can tell what the composition of "normal" milk or "normal" steak is. How will they know of any differences in clone products?

 

Methods for testing cloned meat and milk safety are insufficient for determining potential health effects associated with unintended compositional changes in the products. The technologies are not sufficient for determining what parameters, such as DNA or the presence of certain amino acids, are relevant for predicting the impact on human health.

 

The FDA would be the LAST people I would trust to put a "safe" product on the market. And I have to say it, this seems to me to be one more step in not viewing animals as animals. We are already so disconnected from our food source, we have no idea what conditions they are raised in, what kinds of treatments they are subjected to, and how they are killed.

 

Also, cloning will favor large corporations, and disfavor small operations. But most importantly, I want to keep my right to CHOOSE if I want a cloned animal (or their offspring) product. Some of you will recognize one of my favorite sayings-KNOW YOUR PRODUCT. If you have no problem with it, that's fine! Maybe you'll be right in the long run. But I sure don't want to be the FDA's guinea pig. If the FDA doesn't force companies to label their products, THEY WON'T. That's why I will keep supporting my local food co-op, and companies that I know do not participate in putting out cloned products.

 

Just MHO, lol. This would be the "REAL food" part of REALSIMPLE. :-)Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/28/2006 4:28:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, kschutt6 writes:

 

 

 

 

I don't really understand the concern about cloned meat. I can understand a moral resistance to it (Only God has the right to creation, etc.) but I can see no health reasons to worry about it. It's like concern over radiated food products. All the radiation does is kill bacteria. If we had mass production of radiated foods, we could cut down on refrigeration (saving electricity) and we wouldn't have had the recent ecoli events. I'm a lot more concerned with the sodium and preservatives in our foods.

 

 

 

 

Cyndi,

Great for you that you are on your last round of Chemo, you are so close to having wellness in your life. I am praying for you, to beat Cancer and live a long, happy life.

I read with interest your message involving cloned meat. For me, it's as simple as not eating beef, but there again, chicken and fish have their own set of problems. I buy strictly organic, meat, eggs, fruits and vegetables. I get my food delivered directly to my door by a company called Pioneer Organics, I pay more, but for me it's worth protecting my family from what I consider inedible food. I do have moral issues with the cloning of meat and doing anything that involves interfering with what nature does all on it's own.

I was wondering if your Cancer had anything to do with your research and interest in our food and environment ? For me, not knowing what health issues we, and our children will face from the cloning of meat and the bioengineering of our grains, keeps me vigilant.

Peace and Joy to you, Holly

[Guest guest]

Indeed! I could not agree more!

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/28/2006 10:08:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, chammer writes:

 

 

 

 

I certainly have moral objections to cloning, and I'm concerned about long-termeffects that cannot have been identified at this point. Man's scientific and environmental past is littered with royal screwups that seemed just fine at the time, but over time cost people theirhealth and their lives . I actually have a bad feeling about this in decades to come. Russ

 

 

[Guest guest]

Holly, is Pioneer Organics a local company for you, or is it nationwide? Do they have a website?

 

As for me, I've always had an interest in herbs, nutrition, and the environment. I've always believed in the importance of protecting our food supply, I just never realized how much more I needed to investigate what I was eating until I got cancer. My mother had a long history with illness-diabetes, high blood pressure, heart attacks, and cancer. She finally passed away last year after complications from all of the above. She refused to take any health issues seriously, even when it became clear that she would not win the fight. Up until the very end, she still wanted only to drink diet coke. Watching what she went thru changed my life profoundly. She had her first heart attack at 50-just 5 years older than I am now. She died at 64. After she had her first heart attack, she said to me, Please take care of your health, I don't want you to go thru this too. I guess I've learned to take my health more seriously after I got so frustrated with her for not taking better care of herself. I am still filled with such deep sadness that her life ended so early and that she didn't get to achieve her goals and dreams.

 

Oh, well, enough about me. :-)

 

I've been reading Organic Gardening magazine for at least 20 years now. My mother always read Mother Earth News. I freecycled them all away, lol, but sometimes I wish I still had them to read thru. So I've been concerned about genetically modified food since its early conception. My Mother had a Homesteading spirit, which I guess she passed on to me. :-) Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/29/2006 1:44:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, phollap writes:

 

Cyndi,

Great for you that you are on your last round of Chemo, you are so close to having wellness in your life. I am praying for you, to beat Cancer and live a long, happy life.

I read with interest your message involving cloned meat. For me, it's as simple as not eating beef, but there again, chicken and fish have their own set of problems. I buy strictly organic, meat, eggs, fruits and vegetables. I get my food delivered directly to my door by a company called Pioneer Organics, I pay more, but for me it's worth protecting my family from what I consider inedible food. I do have moral issues with the cloning of meat and doing anything that involves interfering with what nature does all on it's own.

I was wondering if your Cancer had anything to do with your research and interest in our food and environment ? For me, not knowing what health issues we, and our children will face from the cloning of meat and the bioengineering of our grains, keeps me vigilant.

Peace and Joy to you, Holly

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/2006 9:13:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cyndikrall writes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Holly, is Pioneer Organics a local company for you, or is it nationwide? Do they have a website?

 

As for me, I've always had an interest in herbs, nutrition, and the environment. I've always believed in the importance of protecting our food supply, I just never realized how much more I needed to investigate what I was eating until I got cancer. My mother had a long history with illness-diabetes, high blood pressure, heart attacks, and cancer. She finally passed away last year after complications from all of the above. She refused to take any health issues seriously, even when it became clear that she would not win the fight. Up until the very end, she still wanted only to drink diet coke. Watching what she went thru changed my life profoundly. She had her first heart attack at 50-just 5 years older than I am now. She died at 64. After she had her first heart attack, she said to me, Please take care of your health, I don't want you to go thru this too. I guess I've learned to take my health more seriously after I got so frustrated with her for not taking better care of herself. I am still filled with such deep sadness that her life ended so early and that she didn't get to achieve her goals and dreams.

 

Oh, well, enough about me. :-)

 

I've been reading Organic Gardening magazine for at least 20 years now. My mother always read Mother Earth News. I freecycled them all away, lol, but sometimes I wish I still had them to read thru. So I've been concerned about genetically modified food since its early conception. My Mother had a Homesteading spirit, which I guess she passed on to me. :-) Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/29/2006 1:44:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, phollap (AT) aol (DOT) com writes:

 

Cyndi,

Great for you that you are on your last round of Chemo, you are so close to having wellness in your life. I am praying for you, to beat Cancer and live a long, happy life.

I read with interest your message involving cloned meat. For me, it's as simple as not eating beef, but there again, chicken and fish have their own set of problems. I buy strictly organic, meat, eggs, fruits and vegetables. I get my food delivered directly to my door by a company called Pioneer Organics, I pay more, but for me it's worth protecting my family from what I consider inedible food. I do have moral issues with the cloning of meat and doing anything that involves interfering with what nature does all on it's own.

I was wondering if your Cancer had anything to do with your research and interest in our food and environment ? For me, not knowing what health issues we, and our children will face from the cloning of meat and the bioengineering of our grains, keeps me vigilant.

Peace and Joy to you, Holly

 

 

 

 

Cyndi,

Pioneer Organics is a NW company based out of Seattle. I bet if you looked online for one in your area that delivers, you would find one. I feel much better when I know that I can trust the food that I eat and feed my family. It's a fun way to shop and I enjoy all the benefits of having all whole grain pasta and bread, organic everything.

My mother also reads Mother earth News and is an original health food nut, she passed on to me her knowledge of food, nutrition and eating for health. She swears by antioxidants from foods.

I see the group is gathering a diverse group of people with lots of good information. Every time I read a new intro, there is some content that I would like to know more about and I learned some things about people that I didn't know prior to this group forming, like Kelly making natural soaps and balms...who knew, but if she sells them, I would be happy to buy from her, and the swapping group...so cool !

I am bursting with enthusiasm, with so much to say, I will be patient and pace myself.

Peace and Justice in the new year, Holly

[Guest guest]

Ack... you freecycled your Mother Earth News???? How I wish I lived near you!Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf Do You ?

[Guest guest]

Cyndi, im real sorry about your mother. -Brigitte

[Guest guest]

I apologize for writing so much on it. I never intended to! LOL. But it really helps explain how I came to be here and what has contributed to my journey to good health....

 

Cyndi

 

 

In a message dated 12/30/2006 6:54:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, brigittecherubini writes:

 

 

 

 

 

Cyndi, im real sorry about your mother.

-Brigitte

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'll check it out Holly, thanks! And I agree, I believe everyone who comes here to learn also has something to contribute, even if they don't think they do!

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/30/2006 1:31:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, phollap writes:

 

Cyndi,

Pioneer Organics is a NW company based out of Seattle. I bet if you looked online for one in your area that delivers, you would find one. I feel much better when I know that I can trust the food that I eat and feed my family. It's a fun way to shop and I enjoy all the benefits of having all whole grain pasta and bread, organic everything.

My mother also reads Mother earth News and is an original health food nut, she passed on to me her knowledge of food, nutrition and eating for health. She swears by antioxidants from foods.

I see the group is gathering a diverse group of people with lots of good information. Every time I read a new intro, there is some content that I would like to know more about and I learned some things about people that I didn't know prior to this group forming, like Kelly making natural soaps and balms...who knew, but if she sells them, I would be happy to buy from her, and the swapping group...so cool !

I am bursting with enthusiasm, with so much to say, I will be patient and pace myself.

Peace and Justice in the new year, Holly

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know, it makes me sick now too, lol. But I literally had a dozen boxes, all filled with Mom's magazines, and this was in Florida, when we cleaned out her house. I couldn't get them all home to CA, so they had to go......so sad.....

 

The OG magazines went after a zealous garage cleaning episode, when I was in a frenzy to declutter, lol. This is why I hate to get rid of anything, i always regret it later!

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/30/2006 5:33:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, scentednights2002 writes:

 

 

Ack... you freecycled your Mother Earth News???? How I wish I lived near you!

Ellen LaFleche-Christian

Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont

http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf

 

 

[Guest guest]

It's a sad fact, Luis, that most people have very little idea what happens to their food...you did a good thing bringing it to their attention....I think, lol.

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 1/1/2007 5:55:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, orquidman2004 writes:

 

 

 

 

Hola Cyndi- I was telling someone about the conversation about Clone Meat, and you would not believe what they asked me!! They wanted to know if the cloned meat came from cloned cows!!!

I almost died right there!!

Luiscyndikrall (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

Indeed! I could not agree more!

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 12/28/2006 10:08:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, chammer (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com writes:

 

 

 

 

I certainly have moral objections to cloning, and I'm concerned about long-termeffects that cannot have been identified at this point. Man's scientific and environmental past is littered with royal screwups that seemed just fine at the time, but over time cost people theirhealth and their lives . I actually have a bad feeling about this in decades to come. Russ

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hola Cyndi- I was telling someone about the conversation about Clone Meat, and you would not believe what they asked me!! They wanted to know if the cloned meat came from cloned cows!!! I almost died right there!! Luiscyndikrall wrote: Indeed! I could not agree more! Cyndi In a message

dated 12/28/2006 10:08:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, chammer (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com writes: I certainly have moral objections to cloning, and I'm concerned about long-termeffects that cannot have been identified at this point. Man's scientific and environmental past is littered with royal screwups that seemed just fine at the time, but over time cost people theirhealth and their lives . I actually have a bad feeling about this in decades to come. Russ Tired of

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